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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: affeman on November 03, 2019, 12:47:42 AM
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Only competes in tested shows. Has a pretty sick physique for his age (see mirror posing 0:45 or gym posing 09:20), but actually doesn't come across as a juicer at all (very calm/soft spoken, no facial hair, no (b)acne...).
What do you think - legit or con artist?
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I wouldn’t believe a single word from anyone in this sick perverted industry ::)
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There's a handful (maybe 2) people in my 41 years of training that would pass as a juicer, but never saw a steroid or supplement in their lives.
Hard training before, during, after puberty outburst is the main reason. One kid (now deceased in an ATV accident (thru the ice drowning) was a buddy who trained with us back in 1982/83 in our friends garage gym.
Dude was a skeleton. bUt when puberty hit (we were all like 13, and we all blew up) but this kid just had the sickest genetics. Muscles popped everywhere, huge tricep striations, tiny joints, big muscle bellies, etc.
We didn't know what a steroid was, there were no supps back then, and we were all 13/14 in 1982/83, so yes, very natty. Another was a buddy just like that one, same sort of skinny frame, tiny joints, and muscle bellies that would pop. When he would stop of course he would deflate and look scrawny again. This clown didn't even know what a pro-hormone was.
So there are some (probably very few) out there. This kid in the vid, who knows, specially now with easy access to anything they want. (Gear, peptides, hgh, etc).
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19 years old natty...
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his coach claims natty and I know him , he has no reason to lie, and he passed drug tests.
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This guys prolly natty:
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No, he is not.
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If bodybuilder (U) consume supermarket cheese,milk,beef or chicken ,U A NOT NATTY !.
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Possible but unlikely. If he is natural he is amazing. The 19 year old someone put up I don't believe for a second that is natural.
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I wouldn’t believe a single word from anyone in this sick perverted industry ::)
I can't understand a word he said.
He speaks gibberish.
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No, he is not.
Alun Davies was British Natural Bodybuilding Federation Heavyweight & Overall British Champion ,back in 2006.
A glance at a photo of this honest ,upstanding fellow ,would remove any doubts as to his natural status.
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18 years old ,213 lbs at 6-7 % BF not natty ,I hope this helps
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Only competes in tested shows. Has a pretty sick physique for his age (see mirror posing 0:45 or gym posing 09:20), but actually doesn't come across as a juicer at all (very calm/soft spoken, no facial hair, no (b)acne...).
So all I have to do to lie and claim natty is speak softly and shave my face? Thanks OP! ;D
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So all I have to do to lie and claim natty is speak softly and shave my face? Thanks OP! ;D
That's how the face, jawline, hairline of a typical young juicer looks like. If that guy told you he was natty you'd burst out laughing. U see the difference/what I mean?
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That's how the face, jawline, hairline of a typical young juicer looks like. If that guy told you he was natty you'd burst out laughing. U see the difference/what I mean?
I get your point yeah, but I know plenty of juicers who fit this description. Look at 23 year old Aussie IFBB Pro Carlton Loth. Google him, freaky shredded and seemingly year round.
(https://i.imgur.com/BotLvHs.jpg)
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I get your point yeah, but I know plenty of juicers who fit this description. Look at 23 year old Aussie IFBB Pro Carlton Loth. Google him, freaky shredded and seemingly year round.
(https://i.imgur.com/BotLvHs.jpg)
Weird that he claims natural status! You can actually see where he injects. At least hide your injection areas.
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Weird that he claims natural status! You can actually see where he injects. At least hide your injection areas.
I never noticed injection sites, can you point them out to me? Clearly have a better eye than I do.
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I never noticed injection sites, can you point them out to me? Clearly have a better eye than I do.
He shoots in his side delts. I’m not one to save pics of these dudes (for posting purposes). God knows I have enough of myself and watches. Lol
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He shoots in his side delts. I’m not one to save pics of these dudes (for posting purposes). God knows I have enough of myself and watches. Lol
Fair enough.. ;) ;D
What am I actually looking for though? Visible bumps?
(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Carlton-Loth.07.jpg)(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Carlton-Loth.06.jpg)
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Fair enough.. ;) ;D
What am I actually looking for though? Visible bumps?
(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Carlton-Loth.07.jpg)(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Carlton-Loth.06.jpg)
Youre funny.
This dude is obviously natural. This is the genetic elite, like Mike Ohearn. If he ever decides to compete and use anabolic compounds he will be Mr. Olympia.
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It’s messed up that young guys are actually thinking they can accomplish this naturally. He’s not on just a little gear either. His doseages are high and doing several different products.
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That's quite a foundation for 19 and only a few years of proper training.
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It’s messed up that young guys are actually thinking they can accomplish this naturally. He’s not on just a little gear either. His doseages are high and doing several different products.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/5vKJqW06RQYJW/giphy.gif)
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1 gram of test or less per week is modern day natty...
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1 gram of test or less per week is modern day natty...
Seems natty is just not using synthol...
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Ain't that much "lifetime" at 18...... ::)
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1 gram of test or less per week is modern day natty...
He’s on a minimum 3 different things and a gram of test is time off for this guy.
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I never noticed injection sites, can you point them out to me? Clearly have a better eye than I do.
Don't worry, Lee is wearing glasses too ;)
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Alun Davies was British Natural Bodybuilding Federation Heavyweight & Overall British Champion ,back in 2006.
A glance at a photo of this honest ,upstanding fellow ,would remove any doubts as to his natural status.
Fucking gross. Why is a shot like that even needed? ???
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He looks like that Jrod guy that used to post here that was also natty. Some people are just haters, and too scared to use MAX-OT training.
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Kid`s full of shit.
If he is natural I hate his fucking guts! LOL :D
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Idiot looks awesome (no homo) but is juiced as fuck. If anyone thinks he's natty, they are morons.
I will say this though. I work in the prison system and have seen some fucking monsters in my time that I would NEVER believe are natty if they were on the street. Now, they could have smuggled orals in on a visit, but I honestly doubt most of them did. Who fucking knows.
With that said, NONE of them were white! Every last one of these fuckers was a dindu.
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Fair enough.. ;) ;D
What am I actually looking for though? Visible bumps?
(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Carlton-Loth.07.jpg)(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Carlton-Loth.06.jpg)
deadpool 2032 :'(
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He looks like that Jrod guy that used to post here that was also natty. Some people are just haters, and too scared to use MAX-OT training.
Show us your Max OT natural results.
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deadpool 2032 :'(
So we have to believe he is a natural having a better build that every multi millionaire running back and receiver in the NFL?
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Idiot looks awesome (no homo) but is juiced as fuck. If anyone thinks he's natty, they are morons.
I will say this though. I work in the prison system and have seen some fucking monsters in my time that I would NEVER believe are natty if they were on the street. Now, they could have smuggled orals in on a visit, but I honestly doubt most of them did. Who fucking knows.
With that said, NONE of them were white! Every last one of these fuckers was a dindu.
The word “prison” typed and no ESFitness?? Is he ok?
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Only competes in tested shows. Has a pretty sick physique for his age (see mirror posing 0:45 or gym posing 09:20), but actually doesn't come across as a juicer at all (very calm/soft spoken, no facial hair, no (b)acne...).
What do you think - legit or con artist?
For whatever reason YouTube links don’t work on my iPhone anymore.
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19 years old natty...
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/73349369_2564876816940342_1431271905494564864_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQk98zxJExI9BG4_PwZw66mOP8SY8Lz2tOk53bEN0FjoPwHAS_IsMV3X33oeDFlWVUNnJP5bWn38jrFINiABEk_P&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=a086632220f7b52c43c50e1a902f13e3&oe=5E62F92D)
his coach claims natty and I know him , he has no reason to lie, and he passed drug tests.
But If this is the kid ...
GH = not a steroid
Sarms = Not a steroid
If you’re a “coach” putting a kid who’s test levels are already through the roof on test, you should have the living shit kicked out of you.
As I’ve said before, there is no such thing as a competitive “natural” bodybuilder
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This guys prolly natty:
Grace Under Fire was definitely underrated.
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Don't worry, Lee is wearing glasses too ;)
Funny because I do actually wear glasses too, but am not Lee. ;D
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Is he a Vegan too?
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There's a handful (maybe 2) people in my 41 years of training that would pass as a juicer, but never saw a steroid or supplement in their lives.
Hard training before, during, after puberty outburst is the main reason. One kid (now deceased in an ATV accident (thru the ice drowning) was a buddy who trained with us back in 1982/83 in our friends garage gym.
Dude was a skeleton. bUt when puberty hit (we were all like 13, and we all blew up) but this kid just had the sickest genetics. Muscles popped everywhere, huge tricep striations, tiny joints, big muscle bellies, etc.
We didn't know what a steroid was, there were no supps back then, and we were all 13/14 in 1982/83, so yes, very natty. Another was a buddy just like that one, same sort of skinny frame, tiny joints, and muscle bellies that would pop. When he would stop of course he would deflate and look scrawny again. This clown didn't even know what a pro-hormone was.
So there are some (probably very few) out there. This kid in the vid, who knows, specially now with easy access to anything they want. (Gear, peptides, hgh, etc).
I agree. I started training at 16 and trained properly from the start, and even though I juiced at 20, the training I did in those teenage years stuck with me forever. I was squatting and deadlifting 5 1/2 plates a side naturally at 18-19 for reps, it seems to be a massive difference than starting training at 21 or later.
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Another day, another liar.
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But If this is the kid ...
GH = not a steroid
Sarms = Not a steroid
If you’re a “coach” putting a kid who’s test levels are already through the roof on test, you should have the living shit kicked out of you.
As I’ve said before, there is no such thing as a competitive “natural” bodybuilder
SARMS like LGD and Testolone, combined with a HGH secretagogue like MK-677 will give impressive results.
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For whatever reason YouTube links don’t work on my iPhone anymore.
Ive My iPhone and my tablet have been unable to read or display YouTube on here for a while.
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Ive My iPhone and my tablet have been unable to read or display YouTube on here for a while.
J
go to the address bar and delete the "s" from https and reload the page, the videos magically appear..
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There's a handful (maybe 2) people in my 41 years of training that would pass as a juicer, but never saw a steroid or supplement in their lives.
Hard training before, during, after puberty outburst is the main reason. One kid (now deceased in an ATV accident (thru the ice drowning) was a buddy who trained with us back in 1982/83 in our friends garage gym.
Dude was a skeleton. bUt when puberty hit (we were all like 13, and we all blew up) but this kid just had the sickest genetics. Muscles popped everywhere, huge tricep striations, tiny joints, big muscle bellies, etc.
We didn't know what a steroid was, there were no supps back then, and we were all 13/14 in 1982/83, so yes, very natty. Another was a buddy just like that one, same sort of skinny frame, tiny joints, and muscle bellies that would pop. When he would stop of course he would deflate and look scrawny again. This clown didn't even know what a pro-hormone was.
So there are some (probably very few) out there. This kid in the vid, who knows, specially now with easy access to anything they want. (Gear, peptides, hgh, etc).
Very true....There are some freaks, mostly Blacks but some Whites and Asians. Look at some of the Gymnasts from the pre-steroid era, pretty impressive.
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Idiot looks awesome (no homo) but is juiced as fuck. If anyone thinks he's natty, they are morons.
I will say this though. I work in the prison system and have seen some fucking monsters in my time that I would NEVER believe are natty if they were on the street. Now, they could have smuggled orals in on a visit, but I honestly doubt most of them did. Who fucking knows.
With that said, NONE of them were white! Every last one of these fuckers was a dindu.
They get roids in prison.....Look at Mike Sorrentino from Jersey shore.
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I remember back in like 98 or 99, the winner teen natls "got to" spend the day with Craig Titus and kelly and get "advice" over lunch at Firehouse. Lol
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(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Carlton-Loth.04.jpg)
A future Mike O Hearn
(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Carlton-Loth.09.jpg)
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Funny because I do actually wear glasses too, but am not Lee. ;D
Just don't say that U 2 live in Newcastle ::)
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19 years old natty...
his coach claims natty and I know him , he has no reason to lie, and he passed drug tests.
Drug tested by WHO, where & for what !. Perhaps by WADA lab or non Wada lab or ...................
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DONT think so,,,
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Drug tested by WHO, where & for what !. Perhaps by WADA lab or non Wada lab or ...................
not sure, I remember seeing that he enetered a tested show, I could go and look through some posting history but I cant be arsed..
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Captain of Real Madrid Sergio Ramos was tested 14 times by UEFA ........... so far Ramos (14)- UEFA (0)
When UEFA try to test Luka Modric, he told them: no problems just hold that cup ;D
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Very true....There are some freaks, mostly Blacks but some Whites and Asians. Look at some of the Gymnasts from the pre-steroid era, pretty impressive.
PRE-STEROID era, when was that 1932 ?.
Germans & Americans used 'juice' in WW2 ;)
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Natural liar
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PRE-STEROID era, when was that 1932 ?.
Germans & Americans used 'juice' in WW2 ;)
Complete myth. All the winking in the world won't make a difference, lol
https://thinksteroids.com/articles/history-anabolic-steroids-sports/ (https://thinksteroids.com/articles/history-anabolic-steroids-sports/)
"The Use of Anabolic Steroids in World War II
Kochakian participated in a medical conference exploring methods to speed the healing process in injured American soldiers returning from combat during World War II. Kochakian promoted the muscle-building effects of testosterone for the post-surgical care of these soldiers.
There has been no evidence that steroids were ever used to enhance performance of soldiers on the battlefield.
Nazi Soldiers and Anabolic Steroids
The claim that German soldiers were injected with testosterone in World War II has often been repeated but Professor of Germanic Studies John Hoberman believes the use of steroid by Nazi soldiers is a myth. There has been no evidence in the German literature to support the use of anabolic steroids by soldiers in Nazi Germany.
Similarly, the rumor that German athletes used testosterone as an ergogenic aid during the 1936 Berlin Olympics is unsupported by literature published during this period."
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Complete myth. All the winking in the world won't make a difference, lol
https://thinksteroids.com/articles/history-anabolic-steroids-sports/ (https://thinksteroids.com/articles/history-anabolic-steroids-sports/)
"The Use of Anabolic Steroids in World War II
Kochakian participated in a medical conference exploring methods to speed the healing process in injured American soldiers returning from combat during World War II. Kochakian promoted the muscle-building effects of testosterone for the post-surgical care of these soldiers.
There has been no evidence that steroids were ever used to enhance performance of soldiers on the battlefield.
Nazi Soldiers and Anabolic Steroids
The claim that German soldiers were injected with testosterone in World War II has often been repeated but Professor of Germanic Studies John Hoberman believes the use of steroid by Nazi soldiers is a myth. There has been no evidence in the German literature to support the use of anabolic steroids by soldiers in Nazi Germany.
Similarly, the rumor that German athletes used testosterone as an ergogenic aid during the 1936 Berlin Olympics is unsupported by literature published during this period."
"Myth" my ass...... , Wehrmacht used PERVITIN ( eat your hart out Mr.Jesse Owens) & American pilots used CAPTAGON !.
Screw ALL historians (a la experts) who don't speak/read 100% German & Spanish but write about Hitler era !.
Have U ever met (& listen) pilots who bombarded Stalingrad & Sergeant who was fighting in Stalingrad , they used those pills !.
Captagon was used by ISIS too.
I also know which Russian MMA fighter was using liquid 'juice' created for military use only.
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What are the benefits of Captagon, Iron Cross?
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Pervitin and Captagon are amphetamines.
Bomber pilots used it stay alert during long missions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid#Discovery_of_androgens
"Discovery of androgens
The use of gonadal steroids pre-dates their identification and isolation. Extraction of hormones from urines began in China c. 100 BCE.[citation needed] Medical use of testicle extract began in the late 19th century while its effects on strength were still being studied.[137] The isolation of gonadal steroids can be traced back to 1931, when Adolf Butenandt, a chemist in Marburg, purified 15 milligrams of the male hormone androstenone from tens of thousands of litres of urine. This steroid was subsequently synthesized in 1934 by Leopold Ružička, a chemist in Zurich.[185]
In the 1930s, it was already known that the testes contain a more powerful androgen than androstenone, and three groups of scientists, funded by competing pharmaceutical companies in the Netherlands, Germany, and Switzerland, raced to isolate it.[185][186] This hormone was first identified by Karoly Gyula David, E. Dingemanse, J. Freud and Ernst Laqueur in a May 1935 paper "On Crystalline Male Hormone from Testicles (Testosterone)."[187] They named the hormone testosterone, from the stems of testicle and sterol, and the suffix of ketone. The chemical synthesis of testosterone was achieved in August that year, when Butenandt and G. Hanisch published a paper describing "A Method for Preparing Testosterone from Cholesterol."[188] Only a week later, the third group, Ruzicka and A. Wettstein, announced a patent application in a paper "On the Artificial Preparation of the Testicular Hormone Testosterone (Androsten-3-one-17-ol)."[189] Ruzicka and Butenandt were offered the 1939 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for their work, but the Nazi government forced Butenandt to decline the honor, although he accepted the prize after the end of World War II.[185][186]
Clinical trials on humans, involving either oral doses of methyltestosterone or injections of testosterone propionate, began as early as 1937.[185] Testosterone propionate is mentioned in a letter to the editor of Strength and Health magazine in 1938; this is the earliest known reference to an AAS in a U.S. weightlifting or bodybuilding magazine.[185] There are often reported rumors that German soldiers were administered AAS during the Second World War, the aim being to increase their aggression and stamina, but these are, as yet, unproven.[110]:6 Adolf Hitler himself, according to his physician, was injected with testosterone derivatives to treat various ailments.[190] AAS were used in experiments conducted by the Nazis on concentration camp inmates,[190] and later by the allies attempting to treat the malnourished victims that survived Nazi camps.[110]:6 President John F. Kennedy was administered steroids both before and during his presidency.[191]
Development of synthetic AAS
The development of muscle-building properties of testosterone was pursued in the 1940s, in the Soviet Union and in Eastern Bloc countries such as East Germany, where steroid programs were used to enhance the performance of Olympic and other amateur weight lifters. In response to the success of Russian weightlifters, the U.S. Olympic Team physician John Ziegler worked with synthetic chemists to develop an AAS with reduced androgenic effects.[192] Ziegler's work resulted in the production of methandrostenolone, which Ciba Pharmaceuticals marketed as Dianabol. The new steroid was approved for use in the U.S. by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1958. It was most commonly administered to burn victims and the elderly. The drug's off-label users were mostly bodybuilders and weight lifters. Although Ziegler prescribed only small doses to athletes, he soon discovered that those having abused Dianabol suffered from enlarged prostates and atrophied testes.[193] AAS were placed on the list of banned substances of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in 1976, and a decade later the committee introduced 'out-of-competition' doping tests because many athletes used AAS in their training period rather than during competition."
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What are the benefits of Captagon, Iron Cross?
With right food supply in jelly form , consume food which contain water .U can run 3 marathons in 3 days with 4 hours sleep , basically increases stamina, 4th day you'll need 10 h long sleep.
Or depends of yours physical activity !.
A U thinking about Tour de France 2o2o, or running away from your wife :D
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IroNat, don't trust Wikipedia anyone can post/edit there !.
I think french produced action TV film about use of Pervitin in WW2, can't remember name !.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid#Discovery_of_androgens
"Discovery of androgens
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U.S. Olympic Team physician John Ziegler worked with synthetic chemists to develop an AAS with reduced androgenic effects.
[192] Ziegler's work resulted in the production of methandrostenolone, which Ciba Pharmaceuticals marketed as Dianabol.."
That's not quite right. Ziegler's name isn't on the original 1957 United States Patent on Dianabol or 1-dehydro-17a-methyl-testosterone .
"PROCESS FOR THE MANUFACTURE OF STEROID DEHYDROGENATON PRODUCTS
Albert Wettstein and Alfred Hunger, Basel, Charles Mey stre, Arlesheim, and Ludwig Ehmann, Basel, Switzer land, assignors to Ciba Pharmaceutical Products Inc., Summit, N.J.
No Drawing. Application June 11, 1957"
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/79/1f/f4/e0f1a66ecace0c/US2900398.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/79/1f/f4/e0f1a66ecace0c/US2900398.pdf)
Though, Ziegler later did some research with CIBA which improved the efficiency of Dianabol manufacture. Here is the patent from 1959 (Dianabol was already being marketed and sold in 1958).
"PURIFICATION OF 1-DEHYDRO-17-METHYL. TESTOSTERONE CONTAMINATED BY SE BLENUM Alfred Hunger, Basel, Switzerland, and John Benjamin Zieger, Summii, N.J., assigners to Ciba Corporation, a corporation of Delaware No Drawing. Fied Dec. 3, 1959"
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/40/23/6a/b6cb062373bd95/US3048603.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/40/23/6a/b6cb062373bd95/US3048603.pdf)
It seems(to me) Ziegler's dream was to be a research chemist with one of the big pharmaceutical giants . He achieved this by getting into the good books of one of the biggest, CIBA ; Ziegler opened the eyes of CIBA's executives, to the potential market for the recreational use of safer anabolic steroids ,by means of his contacts with the York Barbell Club.
The development of muscle-building properties of testosterone was pursued in the 1940s, in the Soviet Union and in Eastern Bloc countries such as East Germany, where steroid programs were used to enhance the performance of Olympic and other amateur weight lifters...….
That can't be right either The biggest medal winner in Olympic weightlifting in 1948.1952 and 1956 was the US team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_1948_Summer_Olympics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_1948_Summer_Olympics)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_1952_Summer_Olympics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_1952_Summer_Olympics)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_1956_Summer_Olympics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_1956_Summer_Olympics)
It is only in 1960(Dianabol was patented in 1957) that the Soviets pulled ahead of the US.
I can't find a single German (both East and West German athletes competed as the United Team of Germany in 1956 and 1960) ever making the podium in an Olympic weightlifting event during these years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_1960_Summer_Olympics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_1960_Summer_Olympics)
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"Myth" my ass...... , Wehrmacht used PERVITIN ( eat your hart out Mr.Jesse Owens) & American pilots used CAPTAGON !.
Screw ALL historians (a la experts) who don't speak/read 100% German & Spanish but write about Hitler era !.
Have U ever met (& listen) pilots who bombarded Stalingrad & Sergeant who was fighting in Stalingrad , they used those pills !.
Captagon was used by ISIS too.
I also know which Russian MMA fighter was using liquid 'juice' created for military use only.
Correct.
From Wikipedia:
In an effort to make its front-line soldiers and fighter pilots fight longer, harder, and with less concern for individual safety, the German army ordered them to take military-issue pills made from methamphetamine and a primarily cocaine-based stimulant. After Pervitin, a methamphetamine drug newly developed by the Berlin-based Temmler pharmaceutical company, first entered the civilian market in 1938, it quickly became a top seller among the German population.
Source: "The Nazi Death Machine: Hitler's Drugged Soldiers"