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Digital Muscle Media:
WHERE ARE THEY NOW-
Former Mr. USA, Tom Prince
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He looks to be about 60 ??? ???
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Good to see Tom healthy and leave everything behind unlike some guys making comebacks and such
How’s Melvin Anthony doing? Heard he’s out now, going to make a comeback too?
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He looks to be about 60 ??? ???
Either look 60 or have countless back surgeries and still do vertical leg presses with bad form?
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Either look 60 or have countless back surgeries and still do vertical leg presses with bad form?
Of course the latter!
Iron comes first!
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Damn
First, Jean Pierre, then Dennis Superhuman and now Tom Prince.
Great show.
Shawn Ray is a great interviewer
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Watching now.. (It’s really good!/Shawn does not shy away/pussy foot around the “ real questions) props!
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Calling out chad Nichols big time there. Also, dialysis isn’t a permanent thing. You can’t just get your treatments and live a normal life, dudes life is on a timer most people only last 4 years max
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Watching now.. (It’s really good!/Shawn does not shy away/pussy foot around the “ real questions) props!
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Good to know Shawn has common sense that a lot of these “health issues” are def related to all the stuff these guys are putting in their body
Funny how Tom says he will not approve of his kids doing competitive bbing whatsoever
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Wtf happened to his voice?? Used to boom out.
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11:30 c'mon bro... Shawn likes to be "controversial", ask him about drug use, not the "peds", the ones that went IV. Get him to tell the truth.
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Enjoyed watching, but he did know something was wrong back when he started having problems. He posted the whole thing on chads board and even went back on gear and competed anyway.
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He looks to be about 60 ??? ???
You think? And imagine, he's only 50. Unlike some other poor schmucks, he's still alive. Pretty much everyone has their physical heyday. Some people, like Tom, move on. Many others such as Derek Anthony, don't and they end up dead. I say kudos to Tom for being wise enough to know when to get out of the game.
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Anyone notice his teeth?
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Digital Muscle Media:
WHERE ARE THEY NOW-
Former Mr. USA, Tom Prince
So Chad Nicholls is a Murder, and DIE-urect use before shows caused the kidney issues and the deaths.
Nice work Sherlock "Ray" Holmes!
Why didn't Tom mention that he took 20+ ibuprophen-advils a day everyday for many years.
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''I will never drop below 250 even if i stop training and eating''
Tom Prince
He was right
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''I will never drop below 250 even if i stop training and eating''
Tom Prince
He was right
lol I remember him saying that!
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Tom seems like a pretty cool guy. But no way he's 185 lbs.
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Isnt the EXACT Same thing flex w has (fsgs?)? flex had no problem taking another transplant. Wonder how many he plans on taking?
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Tom seems like a pretty cool guy. But no way he's 185 lbs.
More like 160.
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I am still watching this interview. Tom said the he's in dialysis 3 days a week for 4 hours a session. This is a big fucking deal! I know from my wife's time doing dialysis. Four hours means more like 6 hours when you add the travel and the time it takes to get hooked up and at the conclusion unhooked from the machine. It burns an entire day. Besides, dialysis wipes a person out. They are pretty much done for that day. Tom is a lot younger than my wife was when she was in dialysis, so he probably has more fortitude and stamina to continue on. My wife was completely done with it after only a few months and decided this was not the way she wanted to spend the rest of her life. I think Tom is a trooper. Should he ever decide to end dialysis, his kidney will shut down. then his other organs will and he will be dead withing a week or two. Sad....very, very sad. Fortunately, it is not a painful way to die, according to my wife's nephrologist.
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I am still watching this interview. Tom said the he's in dialysis 3 days a week for 4 hours a session. This is a big fucking deal! I know from my wife's time doing dialysis. Four hours means more like 6 hours when you add the travel and the time it takes to get hooked up and at the conclusion unhooked from the machine. It burns an entire day. Besides, dialysis wipes a person out. They are pretty much done for that day. Tom is a lot younger than my wife was when she was in dialysis, so he probably has more fortitude and stamina to continue on. My wife was completely done with it after only a few months and decided this was not the way she wanted to spend the rest of her life. I think Tom is a trooper. Should he ever decide to end dialysis, his kidney will shut down. then his other organs will and he will be dead withing a week or two. Sad....very, very sad. Fortunately, it is not a painful way to die, according to my wife's nephrologist.
That’s terrible, he’s only 51 years old, been on since his early/mid 30’s
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Was a pretty good interview. Shawn asked a lot of good questions.
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You think? And imagine, he's only 50. Unlike some other poor schmucks, he's still alive. Pretty much everyone has their physical heyday. Some people, like Tom, move on. Many others such as Derek Anthony, don't and they end up dead. I say kudos to Tom for being wise enough to know when to get out of the game.
“I don’t care if I die as long as they bury me in a big fucking box.”
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That Advil will really screw you up :-\.
Seriously, glad to see he's doing well money and spirit wise.
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“I don’t care if I die as long as they bury me in a big fucking box.”
Excellent!
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Good to see Tom healthy and leave everything behind unlike some guys making comebacks and such
How’s Melvin Anthony doing? Heard he’s out now, going to make a comeback too?
He lost a kidney and is on immunosuppressive drugs for life,that is ridiculously far from healthy.
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He lost a kidney and is on immunosuppressive drugs for life,that is ridiculously far from healthy.
Very true, can’t argue with that
At least he left it all behind and has nothing to do with bbing anymore
Guys like Don long and flex, after transplants still living the life and doing gear
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He lost a kidney and is on immunosuppressive drugs for life,that is ridiculously far from healthy.
Actually, he must have lost the function of both his kidneys. You only need one of them. The other one is simply a back up.
Compared to some, like Derek Anthony, he is very healthy. Simply because he is still alive. I guess the immunosuppressive meds aren't doing the trick since he needs another transplant. So compared to many of us he is not healthy at all. I wish him the best.
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Very true, can’t argue with that
At least he left it all behind and has nothing to do with bbing anymore
Guys like Don long and flex, after transplants still living the life and doing gear
Flex is fucked,won't last long. And Dong has made it very long without further incident,except for the jail.
Actually, he must have lost the function of both his kidneys. You only need one of them. The other one is simply a back up.
Compared to some, like Derek Anthony, he is very healthy. Simply because he is still alive. I guess the immunosuppressive meds aren't doing the trick since he needs another transplant. So compared to many of us he is not healthy at all. I wish him the best.
I heard from a doc that these transplant recipients often die from a moderate infection because they are suppressing immune sys.
However,I think they have started developing more drugs for that purpose that are easier,and they are combining them with the immunosup now.
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Flex is fucked,won't last long. And Dong has made it very long without further incident,except for the jail.
I heard from a doc that these transplant recipients often die from a moderate infection because they are suppressing immune sys.
However,I think they have started developing more drugs for that purpose that are easier,and they are combining them with the immunosup now.
Something similar happened to Luke Wood, he had a transplant, complications and then died
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Very true, can’t argue with that
At least he left it all behind and has nothing to do with bbing anymore
Guys like Don long and flex, after transplants still living the life and doing gear
Unlike white guys, blacks can’t use their brain after their body fails them
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Unlike white guys, blacks can’t use their brain after their body fails them
:o
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Great interview Shawn, keep 'em coming... Congrats on your new position.
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Thanks Shawn. Can't wait for the Chris Duffy and Denise Ruthkowski interviews!
Tom believes O'Hearn is natural...
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Good to see
Kudos
Healthy
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Wtf happened to his voice?? Used to boom out.
He sounds punch drunk or maybe had dental work done. ???
Here is what he sounded like back in 2007.
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Feel bad for the guy after viewing that. Seems like he has a good attitude despite his situation.
That being said, he's still in denial about how he (and other bodybuilders/Nichols "clients") ended up dead or borderline walking dead.
- Prince now claims that he has some genetic abnormality that caused his kidneys to fail. What happened to the Advil theory? Why aren't other Prince family members carpooling to dialysis with him, as a genetic condition likely affects more than just one person.
- He still downplays the role of drugs - both in bodybuilding and the demise of his health. "It was all about the training. The drugs were secondary." LOl…..ok. When asked if the drugs caused (or even contributed) to his kidneys melting, his answer was "I don't think so", or maybe a bit, etc.
- He then contradicts himself when asked if he would want his sons to get into bodybuiding (and the lifestyle), he said an immediate NO. At least he's not willing to support his kids using drugs like Lee Labrada.
- Prince also tells Shawn Rat that he would have blood tests regularly WAY earlier that he did, as it was too late when the bad news was discovered. He must be looking for that pesky genetic disorder.
Sad story altogether...…..
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If he doesn’t want to do anything with BB why doesn’t he disclose it all?
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Good interview. I remember him posting here years ago about his wife starting a small property management business. Glad to see that venture really took off. For most pros, bodybuilding is a complete waste of time.
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5’7
165185 ::)
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Wtf happened to his voice?? Used to boom out.
bass drum vs snare drum
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5’7 165185 ::)
Agreed. He looks like maybe a buck thirty-five. I wish him health now and a life filled with joy from the rewards of hard work and a loving family.
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Development of Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis after Anabolic Steroid Abuse
In summary, we present the first series of FSGS in bodybuilders who abused AASs. These patients may present with either asymptomatic proteinuria or full nephrotic syndrome and heterogeneous histologic variants of FSGS. Although these patients responded well to discontinuation of AAS use, weight loss, and RAS blockade, others may progress to ESRD. Elevated lean body mass and long-term AAS abuse should be added to the list of causes of secondary FSGS.
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/21/1/163
Pictured bb progressed to ESRD
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Flex is fucked,won't last long. And Dong has made it very long without further incident,except for the jail.
I heard from a doc that these transplant recipients often die from a moderate infection because they are suppressing immune sys.
However,I think they have started developing more drugs for that purpose that are easier,and they are combining them with the immunosup now.
What I know is that I am happy both my kidneys are functioning normally according to my doctor. Kidney failure is horrible.
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What I know is that I am happy both my kidneys are functioning normally according to my doctor. Kidney failure is horrible.
You’re old, you will die soon. Don’t be such a pussy about it.
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Development of Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis after Anabolic Steroid Abuse
In summary, we present the first series of FSGS in bodybuilders who abused AASs. These patients may present with either asymptomatic proteinuria or full nephrotic syndrome and heterogeneous histologic variants of FSGS. Although these patients responded well to discontinuation of AAS use, weight loss, and RAS blockade, others may progress to ESRD. Elevated lean body mass and long-term AAS abuse should be added to the list of causes of secondary FSGS.
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/21/1/163
Pictured bb progressed to ESRD
As someone who "abused"/high dose (4g+), the amounts guys like Craig Titus& Milo's used, must be lucky I never had "bad problems" from anabolics use. Usually it was something else that put me in the hospital. He'll, I've been to I was in "kidney faliure" at least 2x but it's always "fixed" itself.
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Damn, and in his prime he was HUGE!
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As someone who "abused"/high dose (4g+), the amounts guys like Craig Titus& Milo's used, must be lucky I never had "bad problems" from anabolics use. Usually it was something else that put me in the hospital. He'll, I've been to I was in "kidney faliure" at least 2x but it's always "fixed" itself.
I imagine all yours was underdosed fakes.........hence the lack of results...
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He sounds punch drunk or maybe had dental work done. ???
Here is what he sounded like back in 2007.
Yea I know what I know what he used to sound. Used to see him everyday at gold's or world's. Dude was the widest person I've still ever seen. Compared to what he is now, he's like 1/3 his old size.
I wish he would've taken about how he got clean. The shut hrle put I his veins went straight to kidneys, not the "Advil".
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I imagine all yours was underdosed fakes.........hence the lack of results...
Using e same stuff my customers hl used, and they'd pass me by in a month. There's more to it than just taking drugs.
Calling my shit fakes? I'll end your life
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Using e same stuff my customers hl used, and they'd pass me by in a month. There's more to it than just taking drugs.
Calling my shit fakes? I'll end your life
;D
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Wtf happened to his voice?? Used to boom out.
i don't think so, in fact i remember thinking his voice didn't match his appearance
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Using e same stuff my customers hl used, and they'd pass me by in a month. There's more to it than just taking drugs.
Calling my shit fakes? I'll end your life
I’ll call them fakes - 100% fake as hell and dirty too. You won’t do a goddamn thing.
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whats his antiviral cocktail
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Development of Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis after Anabolic Steroid Abuse
In summary, we present the first series of FSGS in bodybuilders who abused AASs. These patients may present with either asymptomatic proteinuria or full nephrotic syndrome and heterogeneous histologic variants of FSGS. Although these patients responded well to discontinuation of AAS use, weight loss, and RAS blockade, others may progress to ESRD. Elevated lean body mass and long-term AAS abuse should be added to the list of causes of secondary FSGS.
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/21/1/163
Pictured bb progressed to ESRD
He's got no worries - all he needed to get past this was a Brazilian girlfriend who was prepared to gift him one of her kidneys, and then give her blessing to him putting his foot back on the pedal...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=628465.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=628465.0)
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whats his antiviral cocktail
;D ;D ;D
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He's got no worries - all he needed to get past this was a Brazilian girlfriend who was prepared to gift him one of her kidneys, and then give her blessing to him putting his foot back on the pedal...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=628465.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=628465.0)
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Is that guy dead?
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I’ll call them fakes - 100% fake as hell and dirty too. You won’t do a goddamn thing.
Too my face, I'll end you
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i don't think so, in fact i remember thinking his voice didn't match his appearance
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He used to speak a lot louder and deeper. Used to see and hear him everyday. Now his teeth look shifted, like he has a big underbite and his eyes are super squinty now.
He looks "meek" now. I'm surprised they can still find useable veins to do dialysis.. it's been years now.
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Never fails - these BB types cannot stop lying no matter what.
Tom starts by saying hes 185...at 5-8"...looks like a coathanger under a shirt with a head
making big money in apt management...dosent have all his teeth....
Moves on to actually claim he only used a little test etc...and was walking around at 310 because of "training"
Cant make the link to kidney damage to the gear and life...blaming mystery blood conditions...
Just outright horseshit, even totally removed and sworn off it all cant tell the truth.
PS - put on the 2020 deadpool
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His steroid cycle
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=293963.0
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interesting stuff in this thread
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He's got no worries - all he needed to get past this was a Brazilian girlfriend who was prepared to gift him one of her kidneys, and then give her blessing to him putting his foot back on the pedal...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=628465.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=628465.0)
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You're told you have kidney disease from bodybuilding drugs, BMI, BP, etc. Your also told how to save your kidneys and you ignore the Dr's advices. ::)
I think you were to first to figure out who this idiot was. Bigorexia is real!
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Digital Muscle Media:
WHERE ARE THEY NOW-
Former Mr. USA, Tom Prince
Great interview. I didn't even recognize him when I saw you interviewing him.
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His steroid cycle
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=293963.0
If this is true, this cycle would have had very litte effect in his kidneys. The GH listed is about the average run give or take.
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If this is true, this cycle would have had very litte effect in his kidneys. The GH listed is about the average run give or take.
That sky high high blood pressure i'm sure he had at 318lbs and Chad's diuretic played a major role too.
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He sure is confident walking around a show weighing 185. He has matured beyond bodybuilding and could care less. Looks very happy being rich and putting his energy into his business. Good for him.
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If this is true, this cycle would have had very litte effect in his kidneys. The GH listed is about the average run give or take.
They are not dose specific in the study but conclude;
The dramatic improvement in renal parameters (including complete remission of proteinuria) achieved by stopping AASs, decreasing exercise, losing weight, and renin-angiotensin system (RAS) blockade, without resorting to immunosuppressive therapy, followed by relapse of nephrotic-range proteinuria and worsening of renal function after resumption of a full bodybuilding regimen strongly supports a secondary form of FSGS. We propose that abuse of AASs causes a secondary form of FSGS both by increasing lean body mass and by potential direct toxic effects on glomeruli.[/I]
So they include the weight gain from the drugs as a cause along with protein intake. It's a great bodybuilding specific study including biopsies as proof.
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Never fails - these BB types cannot stop lying no matter what.
Tom starts by saying hes 185...at 5-8"...looks like a coathanger under a shirt with a head
making big money in apt management...dosent have all his teeth....
Moves on to actually claim he only used a little test etc...and was walking around at 310 because of "training"
Cant make the link to kidney damage to the gear and life...blaming mystery blood conditions...
Just outright horseshit, even totally removed and sworn off it all cant tell the truth.
PS - put on the 2020 deadpool
Glad Shawn was direct and you can tell he wasn’t buying it, it had EVERYTHING to do with what he was doing. He was in his early 30’s at the time of all his health issues too
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They are not dose specific in the study but conclude;
The dramatic improvement in renal parameters (including complete remission of proteinuria) achieved by stopping AASs, decreasing exercise, losing weight, and renin-angiotensin system (RAS) blockade, without resorting to immunosuppressive therapy, followed by relapse of nephrotic-range proteinuria and worsening of renal function after resumption of a full bodybuilding regimen strongly supports a secondary form of FSGS. We propose that abuse of AASs causes a secondary form of FSGS both by increasing lean body mass and by potential direct toxic effects on glomeruli.[/I]
So they include the weight gain from the drugs as a cause along with protein intake. It's a great bodybuilding specific study including biopsies as proof.
So exercise is also bad for the kidneys?
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You're told you have kidney disease from bodybuilding drugs, BMI, BP, etc. Your also told how to save your kidneys and you ignore the Dr's advices. ::)
I think you were to first to figure out who this idiot was. Bigorexia is real!
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Who is that?
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Dialysis 3 times/wk?
That's f*cked.
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If this is true, this cycle would have had very litte effect in his kidneys. The GH listed is about the average run give or take.
That's ridiculous,was lying about that probably too.
It's just test 500-1500mg and some deca along,later a little winstrol.
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That's ridiculous,was lying about that probably too.
It's just test 500-1500mg and some deca along,later a little winstrol.
no way bro.. i think 3 000 mg. dude was radioactive
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was funny he said on some forum he would easily maintain 225 at low bf off steroids when retiring.
...6 months later after retiring he looked like a 160 lbs skaterboy :-\
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been this long and still has too much pride to admit steroids effects
also Mike O'hearn natural ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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He was a king once:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=80110.125
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So exercise is also bad for the kidneys?
Muscle mass and heavy exercise increased the amount of waste of protein byproduct, that has to be filtered through the kidney. Hence, the additional stress on the failing kidney.
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Well, if he told the truth or not, at least Tom was willing to do the interview.
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Cant wait for the Where Are They Now - Art Atwood
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Never fails - these BB types cannot stop lying no matter what.
Tom starts by saying hes 185...at 5-8"...looks like a coathanger under a shirt with a head
making big money in apt management...dosent have all his teeth....
Moves on to actually claim he only used a little test etc...and was walking around at 310 because of "training"
Cant make the link to kidney damage to the gear and life...blaming mystery blood conditions...
Just outright horseshit, even totally removed and sworn off it all cant tell the truth.
PS - put on the 2020 deadpool
It's hard to see where he could weigh 185 lbs. @ 68" tall. I'm a couple of inches taller and 10 pounds lighter and yet I look bigger. Maybe he looks different in person.
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It's hard to see where he could weigh 185 lbs. @ 68" tall. I'm a couple of inches taller and 10 pounds lighter and yet I look bigger. Maybe he looks different in person.
His internal organs may be oversized due to the years of GH usage. That may account for him weighing more than he appears to weigh.
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His internal organs may be oversized due to the years of GH usage. That may account for him weighing more than he appears to weigh.
Maybe his legs are swollen as well.
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If this is true, this cycle would have had very litte effect in his kidneys. The GH listed is about the average run give or take.
It's more than coincidental that bodybuilders have such a high incidence of kidney failure. Could it be that carrying around all that weight results in high blood pressure, which is very hard on one's kidneys. Diabetes is another common cause of kidney disease.
If folks did their labs on a regular basis, at least once a year, they might be forewarned of the onset of chronic kidney disease and could make adjustments accordingly. Even if you get your gear illegally, you should have regular physicals and labs. What you tell your doctor is supposed to be confidential.
Medical ethics rules, state laws, and the federal law known as the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), generally require doctors and their staff to keep patients' medical records confidential unless the patient allows the doctor's office to disclose them.
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They are not dose specific in the study but conclude;
The dramatic improvement in renal parameters (including complete remission of proteinuria) achieved by stopping AASs, decreasing exercise, losing weight, and renin-angiotensin system (RAS) blockade, without resorting to immunosuppressive therapy, followed by relapse of nephrotic-range proteinuria and worsening of renal function after resumption of a full bodybuilding regimen strongly supports a secondary form of FSGS. We propose that abuse of AASs causes a secondary form of FSGS both by increasing lean body mass and by potential direct toxic effects on glomeruli.[/I]
So they include the weight gain from the drugs as a cause along with protein intake. It's a great bodybuilding specific study including biopsies as proof.
This is solid information.
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was funny he said on some forum he would easily maintain 225 at low bf off steroids when retiring.
...6 months later after retiring he looked like a 160 lbs skaterboy :-\
People say a lot of crazy shit, specially those who know almost nothing and think they know everything.
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It's more than coincidental that bodybuilders have such a high incidence of kidney failure. Could it be that carrying around all that weight results in high blood pressure, which is very hard on one's kidneys. Diabetes is another common cause of kidney disease.
If folks did their labs on a regular basis, at least once a year, they might be forewarned of the onset of chronic kidney disease and could make adjustments accordingly. Even if you get your gear illegally, you should have regular physicals and labs. What you tell your doctor is supposed to be confidential.
Medical ethics rules, state laws, and the federal law known as the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), generally require doctors and their staff to keep patients' medical records confidential unless the patient allows the doctor's office to disclose them.
Probably the best thing you can do is keep track of your blood pressure regularly. The kidneys start swelling when something is wrong and blood pressure tracks it pretty well. And for practically pennies you can buy urine test strips that measure a lot of metabolites that are early warning indicators of kidney malfunctioning. None of these replace a doctor or full workup of course but they are very useful in monitoring your health.
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Probably the best thing you can do is keep track of your blood pressure regularly. The kidneys start swelling when something is wrong and blood pressure tracks it pretty well. And for practically pennies you can buy urine test strips that measure a lot of metabolites that are early warning indicators of kidney malfunctioning. None of these replace a doctor or full workup of course but they are very useful in monitoring your health.
Good advice. Unfortunately some people who need it will ignore it.
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This is solid information.
It really is a great study and one of the few with actual bodybuilders and biopsies to back up conclusions.
They also complied an excellent reference list/bibliography of studies to include just AAS and its direct effect on glomeruli.
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Good advice. Unfortunately some people who need it will ignore it.
They don't want to know the truth. Knowing would shatter the illusion.
Bodybuilding is unreality.
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They don't want too know the truth. Knowing would shatter the illusion.
Bodybuilding is unreality.
This explains why I never stepped on the competition stage...I am too much of a realist.
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that study about secondary fsgs is good!
the fact that the bber went back ON after full recovery was to be expected:
low self esteem and libido related issues
more importantly=
"if I can go from kidney failure to full recovery just by discontinuing the regimen, i have nothing to fear and I can blast it up again until next time"
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was funny he said on some forum he would easily maintain 225 at low bf off steroids when retiring.
...6 months later after retiring he looked like a 160 lbs skaterboy :-\
Most roid users are totally delusional as to how much the drugs actually help. It's just the 5% finishing touch. ::)
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that study about secondary fsgs is good!
the fact that the bber went back ON after full recovery was to be expected:
low self esteem and libido related issues
more importantly=
"if I can go from kidney failure to full recovery just by discontinuing the regimen, i have nothing to fear and I can blast it up again until next time"
There are idiots everywhere.
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Markus Ruhl still going strong. As well as Louie Simmons been juicing for 50 years plus. Those pain killers will do it to you, throw in some strong diuretics and boom there goes the kidneys.
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Markus Ruhl still going strong. As well as Louie Simmons been juicing for 50 years plus. Those pain killers will do it to you, throw in some strong diuretics and boom there goes the kidneys.
That much Advil will mess you up.
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Tren is bad for kidneys too
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Bodybuilders utilize multiple ways to ruin their bodies.
Totally worth it.
You can still be productive with your time spent in dialysis by doing work on your laptop.
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That much Advil will mess you up.
Except Tom was pumping a bunch of shit in his veins. Everybody who'd see him knew it, as he couldn't hid the track marks and big purple abcesses in the crock of his elbow
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Most roid users are totally delusional as to how much the drugs actually help. It's just the 5% finishing touch. ::)
Maybe some are - Like the Thicko one’s.
That doesn’t stop the more intelligent ones from being OTT
With PED use & Rec Drug use Though.
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Except Tom was pumping a bunch of shit in his veins. Everybody who'd see him knew it, as he couldn't hid the track marks and big purple abcesses in the crock of his elbow
Well, that couldn't have been good for him.
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Tren is bad for kidneys too
they put alot of chemicals in their body the kidneys has to filter
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Digital Muscle Media:
WHERE ARE THEY NOW-
Former Mr. USA, Tom Prince
He should seek out TBombz advices for a better ARV cocktail.
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Bodybuilders utilize multiple ways to ruin their bodies.
Totally worth it.
You can still be productive with your time spent in dialysis by doing work on your laptop.
You can get a couple hours of work done on the laptop, turn it off when you start feeling dizzy, enjoy the roller coaster in your head for the last hour, and then do it all again 2 days later.
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Except Tom was pumping a bunch of shit in his veins. Everybody who'd see him knew it, as he couldn't hid the track marks and big purple abcesses in the crock of his elbow
There is a battle for the Olympia where you can see a black vein on his bicep some say from mainline nubain
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There is a battle for the Olympia where you can see a black vein on his bicep some say from mainline nubain
Among other stuff, cuz that vein was there (along with purple abcesses in his elbow) a lot longer than nubain ceased being around.
Nubain IV is clean. It's meant to be injected IV/I'm/sub-q. Pills and powders on the other hand, the kidneys have to filter out.
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You're told you have kidney disease from bodybuilding drugs, BMI, BP, etc. Your also told how to save your kidneys and you ignore the Dr's advices. ::)
I think you were to first to figure out who this idiot was. Bigorexia is real!
(https://i.ibb.co/sPDZ4z4/asn0021042680001.jpg)
Walt, I read that study last time you posted it and found the evidentiary links to be strong (as a layman, granted) I'm not sure what people think of the Anabolic Doc YouTube channel, but I found his stuff on kidneys also very interesting. For me, if a heavy juicer develops FSGS hen to ignore the additional risk factors that come with aspects of the lifestyle seems naive at best...
Bigorexia is a problem, for sure. But in the interview (which by the way was great thanks Shawn) I think Prince made an even more import point - you don't want feel your kidneys failing. So people keep pushing right to the edge of the cliff without knowing how perilous a position they are in...
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Cant wait for the Where Are They Now - Art Atwood
30 mins interviewing a tombstone
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Who is that?
IFBB Pro Beau Baisden. Wannabepro brought him to my attention originally then I recognised him from the study Walter posted a while back. Those threads pop up easily if you search his surname
I'm sure it's conincidental but shortly after I began an update thread on the girlfriend-transplant situation his previously public IG and Facebook went private - but not deactivated or switched to memorial mode - so I'm guessing his carne do Brasil is still doing its job...
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30 mins interviewing a tombstone
Hahahah :D
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Walt, I read that study last time you posted it and found the evidentiary links to be strong (as a layman, granted) I'm not sure what people think of the Anabolic Doc YouTube channel, but I found his stuff on kidneys also very interesting. For me, if a heavy juicer develops FSGS hen to ignore the additional risk factors that come with aspects of the lifestyle seems naive at best...
Bigorexia is a problem, for sure. But in the interview (which by the way was great thanks Shawn) I think Prince made an even more import point - you don't want feel your kidneys failing. So people keep pushing right to the edge of the cliff without knowing how perilous a position they are in...
In a post he made on chad's board he talked about having swollen feet and flash edema in his lungs. After the Dr visit he went off supposedly but not long after that he posted he was on again and tried to compeye once more. So it's not as if he didn't know or have warnings from his body
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Went through all this and never came close to winning a pro show.
What a jackass.
Hilarious.
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Went through all this and never came close to winning a pro show.
What a jackass.
Hilarious.
True. Tom Never1AShow.
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Walt, I read that study last time you posted it and found the evidentiary links to be strong (as a layman, granted) I'm not sure what people think of the Anabolic Doc YouTube channel, but I found his stuff on kidneys also very interesting. For me, if a heavy juicer develops FSGS hen to ignore the additional risk factors that come with aspects of the lifestyle seems naive at best...
Bigorexia is a problem, for sure. But in the interview (which by the way was great thanks Shawn) I think Prince made an even more import point - you don't want feel your kidneys failing. So people keep pushing right to the edge of the cliff without knowing how perilous a position they are in...
The same goes for left ventricular hypertrophy which has been linked to steroid use. More and more studies are comparing ventricles of users to none users with irrefutable results using echo measurements.
https://jcmr-online.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1532-429X-14-S1-P186
"Anabolic steroid use amongst bodybuilders can induce significant left ventricular hypertrophy. The pattern and severity of remodelling can mimic hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. The use of such drugs should be considered in the differential diagnosis of significant otherwise unexplained left ventricular hypertrophy, particularly in the athletic cohort."
It's worth noting that cessation of use can lead to left ventricular hypertrophic recession.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3028985/
"In agreement with these findings, the present study demonstrates reversibility after steroid cessation at 3 years. In addition, this is the first published report on steroid abuse in an athlete that shows near normalization of LVH and left ventricular cavity dimension."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3028985/
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You're told you have kidney disease from bodybuilding drugs, BMI, BP, etc. Your also told how to save your kidneys and you ignore the Dr's advices. ::)
I think you were to first to figure out who this idiot was. Bigorexia is real!
(https://i.ibb.co/sPDZ4z4/asn0021042680001.jpg)
blocky and no arms
bodybuilding either you have lines and shape or do not...
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What's funny is that FLEX constantly ran articles about how he trained his impressive arms. ::)
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The same goes for left ventricular hypertrophy which has been linked to steroid use. More and more studies are comparing ventricles of users to none users with irrefutable results using echo measurements.
https://jcmr-online.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1532-429X-14-S1-P186
"Anabolic steroid use amongst bodybuilders can induce significant left ventricular hypertrophy. The pattern and severity of remodelling can mimic hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. The use of such drugs should be considered in the differential diagnosis of significant otherwise unexplained left ventricular hypertrophy, particularly in the athletic cohort."
It's worth noting that cessation of use can lead to left ventricular hypertrophic recession.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3028985/
"In agreement with these findings, the present study demonstrates reversibility after steroid cessation at 3 years. In addition, this is the first published report on steroid abuse in an athlete that shows near normalization of LVH and left ventricular cavity dimension."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3028985/
Does that include trt where levels are kept at normal range?
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Does that include trt where levels are kept at normal range?
No studies have been done.
The autopsies on the users haven't been scheduled.
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Thank you Shawn for asking the real questions and not being another fake.
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Thank you Shawn for asking the real questions and not being another fake.
It was a good interview.
We are busting his cohones but Prince was straightforward for the most part.
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Does that include trt where levels are kept at normal range?
What exactly is “true trt” these days
Many are using 300 mg and up and consider that to be trt ::)
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Feel bad for the guy after viewing that. Seems like he has a good attitude despite his situation.
That being said, he's still in denial about how he (and other bodybuilders/Nichols "clients") ended up dead or borderline walking dead.
- Prince now claims that he has some genetic abnormality that caused his kidneys to fail. What happened to the Advil theory? Why aren't other Prince family members carpooling to dialysis with him, as a genetic condition likely affects more than just one person.
- He still downplays the role of drugs - both in bodybuilding and the demise of his health. "It was all about the training. The drugs were secondary." LOl…..ok. When asked if the drugs caused (or even contributed) to his kidneys melting, his answer was "I don't think so", or maybe a bit, etc.
- He then contradicts himself when asked if he would want his sons to get into bodybuiding (and the lifestyle), he said an immediate NO. At least he's not willing to support his kids using drugs like Lee Labrada.
- Prince also tells Shawn Rat that he would have blood tests regularly WAY earlier that he did, as it was too late when the bad news was discovered. He must be looking for that pesky genetic disorder.
Sad story altogether...…..
On point analysis. I remember writing back and forth with Casey Viator. He argued he was in great health because all his blood tests came back great. He died a short couple of years later.
I don't know why bodybuilders rationalize their health problems away as genetic. You take four or five drugs from questionable sources then argue it has nothing to do with any health problems.
Going back to O'Hearn it's true. The guy is never out of shape. He will fluctuate slightly but dam it's decade after decade. If he uses it's really low dose because he is always in shape. Imagine him using what the other guys use? These pro superstars look like absolute crap once they go completely clean and not taking low doses off cycle. The list is long of how they look like shit. That's why this "sport" is just bull shit. It's a sport based on drugs. No drugs equals no sport. No one is going to pay money in Vegas to see a cut up natural 170lbs on stage. Fans of drugs like to think all sports are based on drug use and that is not true.
Glad Prince is living a good life financially due to his wife. According to the National Kidney Foundation the life expectancy is 5-10 years for dialysis with a few exceptions. I wish him the best.
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Does that include trt where levels are kept at normal range?
Depends on some of the other elements, multi factoral as always
Some of the other aspects to consider, rbc, hematocrit, thickened blood, lack of aerobic cardiovascular exercise, bodyweight, bp, renal function, etc
to answer your question: yes it can definitely happen on TRT-only (physiologic T levels or slightly above T levels) provided some conditions are there.
it can happen in a natural user as well
but supraphysiologic levels of T will always favor it rather than the opposite.
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On point analysis. I remember writing back and forth with Casey Viator. He argued he was in great health because all his blood tests came back great. He died a short couple of years later.
I don't know why bodybuilders rationalize their health problems away as genetic. You take four or five drugs from questionable sources then argue it has nothing to do with any health problems.
Going back to O'Hearn it's true. The guy is never out of shape. He will fluctuate slightly but dam it's decade after decade. If he uses it's really low dose because he is always in shape. Imagine him using what the other guys use? These pro superstars look like absolute crap once they go completely clean and not taking low doses off cycle. The list is long of how they look like shit. That's why this "sport" is just bull shit. It's a sport based on drugs. No drugs equals no sport. No one is going to pay money in Vegas to see a cut up natural 170lbs on stage. Fans of drugs like to think all sports are based on drug use and that is not true.
Glad Prince is living a good life financially due to his wife. According to the National Kidney Foundation the life expectancy is 5-10 years for dialysis with a few exceptions. I wish him the best.
You mean he allows to be photographed only when he is on shape?
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What exactly is “true trt” these days
Many are using 300 mg and up and consider that to be trt ::)
my own definition of true TRT is whatever individual dosage which doesn't suppress one's own endocrine axis
this dosage is different from person to person
by definition, Test Replacement should do just that, replacing the individual's own T production to where it should be.
physiological ranges for normal sedentary adults can be looked up online and vary slightly
This is the physical part.
Now comes the well-being part: for adults who wish to increase their appetite, libido, energy levels and enhance recuperation from activities, a broader TRT approach can be used, one that surpasses physiologic range and prevents the majority of side effects linked to supraphysiologic dosages.
For a young adult it is perfectly possible to get maximal range physiologic T levels without having to add TRT, provided they take good care of themselves in every way possible. :)
What I think is, you gotta be efficient in what you do.
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You mean he allows to be photographed only when he is on shape?
If he was truly natural he would never have looked like this
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3266/2566902650_93c2b2bb86_z.jpg)
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What exactly is “true trt” these days
Many are using 300 mg and up and consider that to be trt ::)
Using whatever amount that gets you within normal reference range. On my blood test anything over 1000 ng/ml is flagged as high.
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If he was truly natural he would never have looked like this
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3266/2566902650_93c2b2bb86_z.jpg)
Surprised he was out in public shirtless like that considering how conscious he is of his image. Don't get me wrong. I think he looks great there. Healthy and strong. Just not hard core bber look.
That gets back to what I've said before that nowadays, since the secret is out, people just aren't impressed with bbers anymore. They see these jacket up mutants and just think steroids. You look at this "off cycle" pic of Hearn and you see a healthy in shape guy.
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Surprised he was out in public shirtless like that considering how conscious he is of his image. Don't get me wrong. I think he looks great there. Healthy and strong. Just not hard core bber look.
That gets back to what I've said before that nowadays, since the secret is out, people just aren't impressed with bbers anymore. They see these jacket up mutants and just think steroids. You look at this "off cycle" pic of Hearn and you see a healthy in shape guy.
you look better?
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Who is that?
IFBB Pro Beau Baisden. Wannabepro brought him to my attention originally then I recognised him from the study Walter posted a while back. Those threads pop up easily if you search his surname
I'm sure it's coincidental but shortly after I began an update thread on the girlfriend-transplant situation his previously public IG and Facebook went private - but not deactivated or switched to memorial mode - so I'm guessing his carne do Brasil is still doing its job...
Edit: I was wrong or he's decided to go public in the last few days (thanks Walter https://www.instagram.com/beauifbbpro/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/beauifbbpro/?hl=en))
I'm starting to think Beau is a GetBig lurker who wanted to prove his new kidney was standing up to his 'lifestyle' so changed his IG settings...
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Why does he look so old? Damn, that's crazy dude.
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Walt, I read that study last time you posted it and found the evidentiary links to be strong (as a layman, granted) I'm not sure what people think of the Anabolic Doc YouTube channel, but I found his stuff on kidneys also very interesting. For me, if a heavy juicer develops FSGS hen to ignore the additional risk factors that come with aspects of the lifestyle seems naive at best...
Bigorexia is a problem, for sure. But in the interview (which by the way was great thanks Shawn) I think Prince made an even more import point - you don't want feel your kidneys failing. So people keep pushing right to the edge of the cliff without knowing how perilous a position they are in...
I read that you don't always know your kidneys are failing until they're in very rough shape. This is why regular lab work is a must for anyone putting chemicals in their system.
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What exactly is “true trt” these days
Many are using 300 mg and up and consider that to be trt ::)
True TRT is when you need it to keep your testosterone levels within a normal range. One problem is that current thinking reduces what is considered normal test levels as you age.
Men in the highest quartile of total testosterone (above 550 ng/dL) had a 30% lower risk of cardiovascular events. Any level of total testosterone below 550 ng/dL resulted in significant increased risk, thus helping to establish a minimal baseline as to where total testosterone should be to guard against heart attack or stroke.
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2012/6/testosterone-controversy
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you look better?
I look better than you. That's the reason you stay hidden behind a keyboard on a bbing board.
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True TRT is when you need it to keep your testosterone levels within a normal range. One problem is that current thinking reduces what is considered normal test levels as you age.
Men in the highest quartile of total testosterone (above 550 ng/dL) had a 30% lower risk of cardiovascular events. Any level of total testosterone below 550 ng/dL resulted in significant increased risk, thus helping to establish a minimal baseline as to where total testosterone should be to guard against heart attack or stroke.
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2012/6/testosterone-controversy
Of course, these guys are in the business of selling TRT treatments. Wonder if confounding factors are at play here.
Those on TRT are usually from higher income brackets and more attentive to matters of health ,like regular medical check-ups, good diet and nutrition and keeping up a consistent exercise regimen.
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If he was truly natural he would never have looked like this
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3266/2566902650_93c2b2bb86_z.jpg)
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Gay Pride Los Angeles 2008
Actor/model/bodybuilder Mike O'Hearn -- aka Titan of "American Gladiators" fame -- promoting NBC Universal Television.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8830768@N06/2566902650/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/8830768@N06/2566902650/in/photostream/)
Another photo ,from the same event. Good shape,but not bodybuilding size and conditioning.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3027/2566899172_9870f0b1ae_o.jpg)
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True TRT is when you need it to keep your testosterone levels within a normal range. One problem is that current thinking reduces what is considered normal test levels as you age.
Men in the highest quartile of total testosterone (above 550 ng/dL) had a 30% lower risk of cardiovascular events. Any level of total testosterone below 550 ng/dL resulted in significant increased risk, thus helping to establish a minimal baseline as to where total testosterone should be to guard against heart attack or stroke.
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2012/6/testosterone-controversy
And the ranges have changed for the worse over the years.
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You won't get kidney failure from HRT doses. You people are really getting stupid.
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You won't get kidney failure from HRT doses. You people are really getting stupid.
But “trt” dosages these days are 500 mg to 1 gram a wk to some.... The minimum
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But “trt” dosages these days are 500 mg to 1 gram a wk to some.... The minimum
Overkill.
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But “trt” dosages these days are 500 mg to 1 gram a wk to some.... The minimum
No,they're not really....maybe for self-prescribed lunatics.
Nothing above 250 can be called TRT.
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No,they're not really....maybe for self-prescribed lunatics.
Nothing above 250 can be called TRT.
Coming from someone who has been on TRT for the last decade or so, I could not agree more with what you posted.
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But “trt” dosages these days are 500 mg to 1 gram a wk to some.... The minimum
No. Why do you say something like this? Why would a doctor risk his career prescribing a dose that would put you thousands of ng/ml over the reference range?
"The minimum."
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Actor/model/bodybuilder Mike O'Hearn -- aka Titan of "American Gladiators" fame -- promoting NBC Universal Television.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8830768@N06/2566902650/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/8830768@N06/2566902650/in/photostream/)
Another photo ,from the same event. Good shape,but not bodybuilding size and conditioning.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3027/2566899172_9870f0b1ae_o.jpg)
huge difference in look of his muscles and overall size . . !
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Actor/model/bodybuilder Mike O'Hearn -- aka Titan of "American Gladiators" fame -- promoting NBC Universal Television.
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Another photo ,from the same event. Good shape,but not bodybuilding size and conditioning.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3027/2566899172_9870f0b1ae_o.jpg)
He looks good there. No homo.
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No,they're not really....maybe for self-prescribed lunatics.
Nothing above 250 can be called TRT.
I’ll go even further and say nothing above 160-180mg should be called TRT. Everything should be depending on the labs, but even with a really high SHBG binding up your free test, a 160mg/week dose should get you over that and put your free test in a nice, high end of the range if not more. 200mg/week plus anastrozole is the standard cookie cutter plan of the legal steroid clinics not basing any of their protocol on labs. Most using a protocol like that will run into elevated red blood cell count or hematocrit levels AKA thick blood.
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you look better?
pellius is vastly leaner.
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pellius is vastly leaner.
and smaller?
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Where's Tom's Asian boy toy these days?
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I’ll go even further and say nothing above 160-180mg should be called TRT. Everything should be depending on the labs, but even with a really high SHBG binding up your free test, a 160mg/week dose should get you over that and put your free test in a nice, high end of the range if not more. 200mg/week plus anastrozole is the standard cookie cutter plan of the legal steroid clinics not basing any of their protocol on labs. Most using a protocol like that will run into elevated red blood cell count or hematocrit levels AKA thick blood.
I think the length of time one has been on TRT makes a difference in their hemantocit levels. While still with in range, mine are at the high end of the scale, which my doctor is monitoring. I'm supposed to give blood fairly often to help keep it down around 50. Also, according to my doctor, drinking plenty of hydrating liquids helps too.
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as far as TRT is concerned:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182226/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182226/)
latest guidelines from 2019:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6462962/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6462962/)
As far as SHBG is concerned:
this acts a buffer, transporter and a reserve for free T, much like what T4 is to T3
bioactive, albumin unbound "free" T, only lasts a fraction of time within the body
knowing this, you can make your own conclusions when interpreting lab results
Over the top TRT will decrease fertility while true TRT will enhance it
Prostate cancer and it's relation to T remains ambiguous. Upcoming research suggests it might be the diminition of T alongside the ageing process that triggers prostate cancer cells rather than it's sustained presence. Based on my readings I have a hard time believing this, but there could be something to this so I validate any researchers efforts looking into it.
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as far as TRT is concerned:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182226/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182226/)
latest guidelines from 2019:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6462962/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6462962/)
As far as SHBG is concerned:
this acts a buffer, transporter and a reserve for free T, much like what T4 is to T3
bioactive, albumin unbound "free" T, only lasts a fraction of time within the body
knowing this, you can make your own conclusions when interpreting lab results
Over the top TRT will decrease fertility while true TRT will enhance it
Prostate cancer and it's relation to T remains ambiguous. Upcoming research suggests it might be the diminition of T alongside the ageing process that triggers prostate cancer cells rather than it's sustained presence. Based on my readings I have a hard time believing this, but there could be something to this so I validate any researchers efforts looking into it.
I've said this before; I credit my being on TRT with the early discovery of prostate cancer. Had I not been on it, I wouldn't have been having labs done as often as I was. Several years after the surgery, my PSA remains what is considered undetectable.
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I’ll go even further and say nothing above 160-180mg should be called TRT. Everything should be depending on the labs, but even with a really high SHBG binding up your free test, a 160mg/week dose should get you over that and put your free test in a nice, high end of the range if not more. 200mg/week plus anastrozole is the standard cookie cutter plan of the legal steroid clinics not basing any of their protocol on labs. Most using a protocol like that will run into elevated red blood cell count or hematocrit levels AKA thick blood.
attempted to get a script for arimidex while on legit trt and doctor said he couldn't do it as it'd be considered "cosmetic", insurance wouldn't cover, etc...
genetics come into play with the RBC stuff as well. ive never had an issue with RBC. doesn't matter if it's 2-4g of my own test cyp/enan/ace (& test levels of 9k+, which I believe was on just 2g of my enanthate at the time), or 200mg bi-monthly of Phizer Cyp. (eq and anadrol had no effect either, as I was running 200-300 drol/day when I was hospitalized with thyrotoxic periodic paralysis and had a good 14tubes of blood taken on a Wednesday (1st time I woke up unable to move from waist down) and at least that much taken Friday-sun after I woke up way worse and the actually admitted me Friday morning. RBC's were never even elevated, much less near dangerous levels.
considering legit TRT, 200mg every other week put me at 1200 a day or 2 (or 2-3) days after the injection and would drop down the 700-750s by the day before (or day of) my next injection. for a while I was getting 300mg every 3wks and i'd be 1400 the day or 2 after the injection, but would drop into the 500-600s by time for the next shot.
… and my natural test levels are sub-90ng
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attempted to get a script for arimidex while on legit trt and doctor said he couldn't do it as it'd be considered "cosmetic", insurance wouldn't cover, etc...
genetics come into play with the RBC stuff as well. ive never had an issue with RBC. doesn't matter if it's 2-4g of my own test cyp/enan/ace (& test levels of 9k+, which I believe was on just 2g of my enanthate at the time), or 200mg bi-monthly of Phizer Cyp. (eq and anadrol had no effect either, as I was running 200-300 drol/day when I was hospitalized with thyrotoxic periodic paralysis and had a good 14tubes of blood taken on a Wednesday (1st time I woke up unable to move from waist down) and at least that much taken Friday-sun after I woke up way worse and the actually admitted me Friday morning. RBC's were never even elevated, much less near dangerous levels.
considering legit TRT, 200mg every other week put me at 1200 a day or 2 (or 2-3) days after the injection and would drop down the 700-750s by the day before (or day of) my next injection. for a while I was getting 300mg every 3wks and i'd be 1400 the day or 2 after the injection, but would drop into the 500-600s by time for the next shot.
… and my natural test levels are sub-90ng
Many years ago when I first started TRT, my doctor recommended 300mg once every three weeks injected in his office. This never happened because I convinced him I was comfortable injecting myself.
I've never done labs right after an injection, so I have no idea how high the numbers go. What I do know is that I generally stop TRT the week prior to doing labs. One time I did them a bit too soon and my total was over 1,200 which concerned the doctor. Ever since then, I've been careful to allow a full week. It's cheating, I know. But I feel good when I get at least 150mg a week. My only concern is keeping my hematocrit down around 50 because the doctor gets antsy about it if it is over 52.
I order Arimidex and HCG online once every three months or so from an Indian pharmacy. I've never asked the doctor for a prescription and I've never mentioned that I'm using them. -Another cheat.
My prescription calls for a 10 ml - 2,000 mg refill every month which I've been doing. It's a mistake that neither the pharmacy nor my insurance has caught...yet. I'm supposed to inject 150 mg per week. It's comforting to have cushion should the doctor ever refuse or drastically lower my prescription. My copay for the 10 ml vial is $20.
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not to get off topic... .but get as lean as you can and good chances on TRT you will NOT need an AI and also some believe AI's to be very dangerous too.
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not to get off topic... .but get as lean as you can and good chances on TRT you will need an AI and also some believe AI's to be very dangerous too.
Perhaps, but don't some people who are lean have naturally higher testosterone levels.
“Losing weight not only reduces the risk of prediabetic men progressing to diabetes but also appears to increase their body's production of testosterone,” Hayes said.
https://www.todaysdietitian.com/news/071812_news.shtml
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Perhaps, but don't some people who are lean have naturally higher testosterone levels.
“Losing weight not only reduces the risk of prediabetic men progressing to diabetes but also appears to increase their body's production of testosterone,” Hayes said.
https://www.todaysdietitian.com/news/071812_news.shtml
Sorry if i was not clear.
I am all for TRT - but not most do not need AI and should not use it
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Where's Tom's Asian boy toy these days?
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Digital Muscle Media:
WHERE ARE THEY NOW-
Former Mr. USA, Tom Prince
Shawn Ray is the Wendy Williams of interviews
More interested in TRASHING a person than actually getting them to SPEAK of their past and what they are currently doing in regard to livelihood, hobbies, health maintenance and setting future goals etc
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This is well known. There is a negative correlation between BMI and testosterone levels.
Body fat makes aromatase enzyme -> aromatase converts testosterone into estrogen -> low body fat = low aromatase levels -> less conversion of testosterone into estrogen -> low estrogen levels -> body increases testosterone to bring estrogen up to normal levels.
yes
most juicers are to fat to be on the sauce and get more sides then they should....since they carry too much fat.
also same with TRT... get bf as low as you can naturally and maintain it for a prolonged period of time before getting on the TRT (75mg to 125mg a week is sufficient) and most do not need an AI when your bodyfat is low, avoid AI's at all cost.
I was heavier than I should have... and time I got terrible estrogenic sides and I will not repeat that it again. plus the rebound was terrible too
life is all about trial and error, but learn from your mistakes
plus..... most take WAY too much test whether on a cycle or TRT....
these are my observations ^^^
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No. Why do you say something like this? Why would a doctor risk his career prescribing a dose that would put you thousands of ng/ml over the reference range?
"The minimum."
Nothing to do with doctors prescribing and everything to do with “bro’s” thinking that whatever they are taking is trt levels even 500 mg a wk, a lot of gym rats take “trt” to another level
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Nothing to do with doctors prescribing and everything to do with “bro’s” thinking that whatever they are taking is trt levels even 500 mg a wk, a lot of gym rats take “trt” to another level
Ah, OK. That makes more sense.
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yes
most juicers are to fat to be on the sauce and get more sides then they should....since they carry too much fat.
also same with TRT... get bf as low as you can naturally and maintain it for a prolonged period of time before getting on the TRT (75mg to 125mg a week is sufficient) and most do not need an AI when your bodyfat is low, avoid AI's at all cost.
I was heavier than I should have... and time I got terrible estrogenic sides and I will not repeat that it again. plus the rebound was terrible too
life is all about trial and error, but learn from your mistakes
plus..... most take WAY too much test whether on a cycle or TRT....
these are my observations ^^^
My weight loss and weight gain is something of a mystery to me. A month or so ago, I was getting slightly worried about becoming too thin when I stepped on the scales and weighed 162 lbs. Today I weighed 178 lbs. but I've been averaging 174 lbs for about a week now. The weird part is that I haven't changed anything much about my routine that would explain this. Eating the same and exercising the same amount. I did increase my weekly test injection from 150 mg to 200 mg and I made a conscious effort to drink more water.
Today, I put on a pair of jeans that have no stretch in the fabric and they felt tight. Not good, since they're almost new and I paid $150. for them. I may be cutting my meal portions for awhile until I get my weight down to around 172 lbs. Which at 69 1/2" is probably about right for me. Could a bump of 50 mg of test per week cause a weight increase?
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My weight loss and weight gain is something of a mystery to me. A month or so ago, I was getting slightly worried about becoming too thin when I stepped on the scales and weighed 162 lbs. Today I weighed 178 lbs. but I've been averaging 174 lbs for about a week now. The weird part is that I haven't changed anything much about my routine that would explain this. Eating the same and exercising the same amount. I did increase my weekly test injection from 150 mg to 200 mg and I made a conscious effort to drink more water.
Today, I put on a pair of jeans that have no stretch in the fabric and they felt tight. Not good, since they're almost new and I paid $150. for them. I may be cutting my meal portions for awhile until I get my weight down to around 172 lbs. Which at 69 1/2" is probably about right for me. Could a bump of 50 mg of test per week cause a weight increase?
I never quite got the thinking that if one "bumps up" the amount of gear they take that it will result in a weight gain. Discounting water retention, it is a caloric surplus or deficit that will determine weight gain. Granted using more or less gear will make a difference in how those calories are utilized just like weight training alone will make such a difference rather than just stuffing your face. For example, a friend of mine is currently training for the Shawn Ray Classic and he is taking probably triple the amount of anabolics, which is measured in grams, than he normally takes. Yet he has dropped about twenty five pounds total. Why is that? He "bumped" it up not by 50mg/wk but more like 3,500mg/wk yet lost weight. Calories my friend, calories.
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Where's Tom's Asian boy toy these days?
Tell us more.
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Tell us more.
I think they may be referring to this part of a recent Palumbo thing (linked from the DAG4P thread) about the NoC after-parties...
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I have some dirt on this fool. These guys act so tough when on the juice, then reality hits when they get off and turn into little bitches..
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I have some dirt on this fool. These guys act so tough when on the juice, then reality hits when they get off and turn into little bitches..
What dirt ya got
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I have some dirt on this fool. These guys act so tough when on the juice, then reality hits when they get off and turn into little bitches..
Spill it!!!!!!
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Spill it!!!!!!
Rumor monger.
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What dirt ya got
Trust me, I'd love to say, but I wouldn't feel right to kick a man when he's down. I will say this though, he was a POS when he was on the drugs. Now that he's a little man, his tone has changed for the better.
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I have no qualms in stating that I've always felt Tom to be a slimey piece of shit that's hung like a light switch.
I don't wish ill health to anyone, Tom included. His attitude was always terrible and he would act as if he were special.
Well, good old hamster dick is now probably running around sucking dicks under a bridge for money, giving out signed pictures from his gay porn days.
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We want updates on the Asian boy. We want answers!
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My weight loss and weight gain is something of a mystery to me. A month or so ago, I was getting slightly worried about becoming too thin when I stepped on the scales and weighed 162 lbs. Today I weighed 178 lbs. but I've been averaging 174 lbs for about a week now. The weird part is that I haven't changed anything much about my routine that would explain this. Eating the same and exercising the same amount. I did increase my weekly test injection from 150 mg to 200 mg and I made a conscious effort to drink more water.
Today, I put on a pair of jeans that have no stretch in the fabric and they felt tight. Not good, since they're almost new and I paid $150. for them. I may be cutting my meal portions for awhile until I get my weight down to around 172 lbs. Which at 69 1/2" is probably about right for me. Could a bump of 50 mg of test per week cause a weight increase?
Wife is poisoning U !.
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Beefy Heavyweight on Tom Prince -
"Here is why.... Good ole Tom, the aspiring and young bodybuilder of the early 90's minnesota bodybuilding scene. Well Tom had a brilliant idea to gather up a nice big donation of everybodies money in the Doluth area and if I remember the St. Paul area too. He conned lots of hardcore gym rats into giving him some hard cash because he knew of a Russian mobster that was coming to town with a shitload of Russian D-bol. or so thats what he told us all. Tom collectedclose to 20 grand from us morons. And then Tom left town and fled to Florida. Yes, Tom used it for his move and himself. Ask any guy from the inner circle of Minnesota BB of the early 90's and see what they say. Tom never came back to Minnesota. lots of guys swore that they werre going to find him and beat his ass. But I guess we all found the trek to Florida too far and eventually it was let alone. But boy do many still hate that fucking slime ball. Does Chic know about this story? Everybody should."
"This is a true story. If anybody knows a man by the name of Pete Moan from Minnesota. Ask him. Pete was a legend in the 80's Minnesota scene. Check it out assholes. "
(Archiver's note - Pete Moan reference is actually Pete Moen.)
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"Heres is a good one that almost every member of Golds that is in the know, knows about. Not long after Prince started training at Golds venice. He was initially training at Golds Hollywood for a stint. He probably was looking to establish his gay clientel. Anyway , One of the Mexican floor janitors at Golds was upstairs in the mens locker room in Golds. The janitors have always had their eyes on the lookout for lewd activity as long as I recall. They have seen it all. A janitor whose name I dont know or would mention comes rushing up to the front desk at Golds and proceeds in broken english to motion to the manager that some blow jobbing is going on upstairs. The manager(whom I am still friends with but who is no longer there) told me that the janitor made a hand to mouth jerking motion to inform him of it. The manager proceeds to make his way up to the restroom with one of the sales agents. From what he told me the story went like this from this point on. He approaches the stall and sees the legs of a man in dumping position and in front of him was a gym bag and a large brown paper shopping bag. He said that nothing appeared out of line and that he thought the janitor was just fucking with him. Just as he was going to leave he noticed the brown paper bag moving from inside. So he leans way down to see what is going on. He sees nothing except for the guys legs sitting behind the bags. He then notices the guy'e eye peaking throught the space in the door. So the manager decides to walk away for a minute and be quiet, and then proceed to the stall next to the man. When he gets to the next stall he quietly steps on the rim of the toilet and pears over the partition. And low and behold he finds the man seated on the toilet and what appears to be a naked from the waist down Tom Prince standing inside of the Brown Shopping bag. Tom was jerking off in front of the mans face. The manager yells down to them to get the fuck out. The manager knew Tom pretty well and confronted him about it and chewed him out telling him that he cant do that shit in the gym. I knew the manager quite well and he knew that Tom and many others did this kind of shit,but for a guy like Prince to do it in the gym in the late afternoon was a whole different story. But everybody knew about this disaster by the end of the week. I was reading graffiti on the lower bathroom walls about it for months. TOM PRINCE jerking his cock off in a schmoes face while standing in a paper shopping bag. What a sick fuck. But it also shows to what extent these guys will go to conceal their actions. STANDING IN A PAPER SHOPPING BAG SO THAT YOU CANT SEE THE OTHER PAIR OF FEET. I wonder if Tom had a line drwn on the floor for this event?" ".
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Beefy Heavyweight on Tom Prince -
"Here is why.... Good ole Tom, the aspiring and young bodybuilder of the early 90's minnesota bodybuilding scene. Well Tom had a brilliant idea to gather up a nice big donation of everybodies money in the Doluth area and if I remember the St. Paul area too. He conned lots of hardcore gym rats into giving him some hard cash because he knew of a Russian mobster that was coming to town with a shitload of Russian D-bol. or so thats what he told us all. Tom collectedclose to 20 grand from us morons. And then Tom left town and fled to Florida. Yes, Tom used it for his move and himself. Ask any guy from the inner circle of Minnesota BB of the early 90's and see what they say. Tom never came back to Minnesota. lots of guys swore that they werre going to find him and beat his ass. But I guess we all found the trek to Florida too far and eventually it was let alone. But boy do many still hate that fucking slime ball. Does Chic know about this story? Everybody should."
"This is a true story. If anybody knows a man by the name of Pete Moan from Minnesota. Ask him. Pete was a legend in the 80's Minnesota scene. Check it out assholes. "
(Archiver's note - Pete Moan reference is actually Pete Moen.)
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"Heres is a good one that almost every member of Golds that is in the know, knows about. Not long after Prince started training at Golds venice. He was initially training at Golds Hollywood for a stint. He probably was looking to establish his gay clientel. Anyway , One of the Mexican floor janitors at Golds was upstairs in the mens locker room in Golds. The janitors have always had their eyes on the lookout for lewd activity as long as I recall. They have seen it all. A janitor whose name I dont know or would mention comes rushing up to the front desk at Golds and proceeds in broken english to motion to the manager that some blow jobbing is going on upstairs. The manager(whom I am still friends with but who is no longer there) told me that the janitor made a hand to mouth jerking motion to inform him of it. The manager proceeds to make his way up to the restroom with one of the sales agents. From what he told me the story went like this from this point on. He approaches the stall and sees the legs of a man in dumping position and in front of him was a gym bag and a large brown paper shopping bag. He said that nothing appeared out of line and that he thought the janitor was just fucking with him. Just as he was going to leave he noticed the brown paper bag moving from inside. So he leans way down to see what is going on. He sees nothing except for the guys legs sitting behind the bags. He then notices the guy'e eye peaking throught the space in the door. So the manager decides to walk away for a minute and be quiet, and then proceed to the stall next to the man. When he gets to the next stall he quietly steps on the rim of the toilet and pears over the partition. And low and behold he finds the man seated on the toilet and what appears to be a naked from the waist down Tom Prince standing inside of the Brown Shopping bag. Tom was jerking off in front of the mans face. The manager yells down to them to get the fuck out. The manager knew Tom pretty well and confronted him about it and chewed him out telling him that he cant do that shit in the gym. I knew the manager quite well and he knew that Tom and many others did this kind of shit,but for a guy like Prince to do it in the gym in the late afternoon was a whole different story. But everybody knew about this disaster by the end of the week. I was reading graffiti on the lower bathroom walls about it for months. TOM PRINCE jerking his cock off in a schmoes face while standing in a paper shopping bag. What a sick fuck. But it also shows to what extent these guys will go to conceal their actions. STANDING IN A PAPER SHOPPING BAG SO THAT YOU CANT SEE THE OTHER PAIR OF FEET. I wonder if Tom had a line drwn on the floor for this event?" ".
I'm from Minnesota and yea this is a true story about Tom Prince....fukkin homo loser thief fa gg o t
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Beefy Heavyweight on Tom Prince -
"Here is why.... Good ole Tom, the aspiring and young bodybuilder of the early 90's minnesota bodybuilding scene. Well Tom had a brilliant idea to gather up a nice big donation of everybodies money in the Doluth area and if I remember the St. Paul area too. He conned lots of hardcore gym rats into giving him some hard cash because he knew of a Russian mobster that was coming to town with a shitload of Russian D-bol. or so thats what he told us all. Tom collectedclose to 20 grand from us morons. And then Tom left town and fled to Florida. Yes, Tom used it for his move and himself. Ask any guy from the inner circle of Minnesota BB of the early 90's and see what they say. Tom never came back to Minnesota. lots of guys swore that they werre going to find him and beat his ass. But I guess we all found the trek to Florida too far and eventually it was let alone. But boy do many still hate that fucking slime ball. Does Chic know about this story? Everybody should."
"This is a true story. If anybody knows a man by the name of Pete Moan from Minnesota. Ask him. Pete was a legend in the 80's Minnesota scene. Check it out assholes. "
(Archiver's note - Pete Moan reference is actually Pete Moen.)
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"Heres is a good one that almost every member of Golds that is in the know, knows about. Not long after Prince started training at Golds venice. He was initially training at Golds Hollywood for a stint. He probably was looking to establish his gay clientel. Anyway , One of the Mexican floor janitors at Golds was upstairs in the mens locker room in Golds. The janitors have always had their eyes on the lookout for lewd activity as long as I recall. They have seen it all. A janitor whose name I dont know or would mention comes rushing up to the front desk at Golds and proceeds in broken english to motion to the manager that some blow jobbing is going on upstairs. The manager(whom I am still friends with but who is no longer there) told me that the janitor made a hand to mouth jerking motion to inform him of it. The manager proceeds to make his way up to the restroom with one of the sales agents. From what he told me the story went like this from this point on. He approaches the stall and sees the legs of a man in dumping position and in front of him was a gym bag and a large brown paper shopping bag. He said that nothing appeared out of line and that he thought the janitor was just fucking with him. Just as he was going to leave he noticed the brown paper bag moving from inside. So he leans way down to see what is going on. He sees nothing except for the guys legs sitting behind the bags. He then notices the guy'e eye peaking throught the space in the door. So the manager decides to walk away for a minute and be quiet, and then proceed to the stall next to the man. When he gets to the next stall he quietly steps on the rim of the toilet and pears over the partition. And low and behold he finds the man seated on the toilet and what appears to be a naked from the waist down Tom Prince standing inside of the Brown Shopping bag. Tom was jerking off in front of the mans face. The manager yells down to them to get the fuck out. The manager knew Tom pretty well and confronted him about it and chewed him out telling him that he cant do that shit in the gym. I knew the manager quite well and he knew that Tom and many others did this kind of shit,but for a guy like Prince to do it in the gym in the late afternoon was a whole different story. But everybody knew about this disaster by the end of the week. I was reading graffiti on the lower bathroom walls about it for months. TOM PRINCE jerking his cock off in a schmoes face while standing in a paper shopping bag. What a sick fuck. But it also shows to what extent these guys will go to conceal their actions. STANDING IN A PAPER SHOPPING BAG SO THAT YOU CANT SEE THE OTHER PAIR OF FEET. I wonder if Tom had a line drwn on the floor for this event?" ".
dang, is the golds on 1016 Cole Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90038
I was just a month ago....
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This is shocking to me
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...STANDING IN A PAPER SHOPPING BAG SO THAT YOU CANT SEE THE OTHER PAIR OF FEET. I wonder if Tom had a line drwn on the floor for this event?" ".
If he did, you can be certain it was there only because he wanted to cross it.
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It sounds like Tom spent more time in the locker room than the actual gym! BYOBB
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I have no qualms in stating that I've always felt Tom to be a slimey piece of shit that's hung like a light switch.
I don't wish ill health to anyone, Tom included. His attitude was always terrible and he would act as if he were special.
Well, good old hamster dick is now probably running around sucking dicks under a bridge for money, giving out signed pictures from his gay porn days.
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What you said here seems just a smidge mean spirited. Maybe he 'acted' like he was special because he knew he wasn't. Being hung like a light switch or being a hamster dick has to be a difficult deformity to live with. Of course, I wouldn't personally know anything about that. ;D
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What you said here seems just a smidge mean spirited. Maybe he 'acted' like he was special because he knew he wasn't. Being hung like a light switch or being a hamster dick has to be a difficult deformity to live with. Of course, I wouldn't personally know anything about that. ;D
Oh God, will you just shut up!
Always trying to justify the unjustifiable.
"Maybe he acted special because he knew wasn't."
Oh brother, looks like we have a Sigmond Fruit in our midst.
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Some crazy stuff
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Some crazy stuff
Only the best and brightest are attracted to bodybuilding.
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Reading Tom Prince stories literally ignites the SuperShmoe in me.
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Oh God, will you just shut up!
Always trying to justify the unjustifiable.
"Maybe he acted special because he knew wasn't."
Oh brother, looks like we have a Sigmond Fruit in our midst.
Agreed. WTF.
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Prince and his disgusting ex-wife deserve the death penalty. All murders do. In Kommiefornia it used to (and may well still) be that the death penalty could only be sought if "special circumstances" existed during the murder.
I suppose the victim's life wasn't special enough. Hopefully Prince and ex will die of something horrid soon.
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Prince and his disgusting ex-wife deserve the death penalty. All murders do. In Kommiefornia it used to (and may well still) be that the death penalty could only be sought if "special circumstances" existed during the murder.
I suppose the victim's life wasn't special enough. Hopefully Prince and ex will die of something horrid soon.
Who's the victim ,Scott?
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Prince and his disgusting ex-wife deserve the death penalty. All murders do. In Kommiefornia it used to (and may well still) be that the death penalty could only be sought if "special circumstances" existed during the murder.
I suppose the victim's life wasn't special enough. Hopefully Prince and ex will die of something horrid soon.
I haven’t read most stuff here but are you thinking of Craig Titus?
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Oh God, will you just shut up!
Always trying to justify the unjustifiable.
"Maybe he acted special because he knew wasn't."
Oh brother, looks like we have a Sigmond Fruit in our midst.
Lol, spot on.
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Who's the victim ,Scott?
Sorry...I am having medical problems and meant titus. but i also despise Prince for his odd bs. I'll leave i tjup because they trained together. Shit. I cannot see well enough to ttype, lOL!
Thans for the correction help, brother! I apologize for being sick and trying to contribute. I need to take time away again. cannot even train. Thanks again!
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Sorry...I am having medical problems and meant titus. but i also despise Prince for his odd bs. I'll leave i tjup because they trained together. Shit. I cannot see well enough to ttype, lOL!
Thans for the correction help, brother! I apologize for being sick and trying to contribute. I need to take time away again. cannot even train. Thanks again!
;D ,don't go away bro , we all make mistakes ,this board needs you.
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Oh God, will you just shut up!
Always trying to justify the unjustifiable.
"Maybe he acted special because he knew wasn't."
Oh brother, looks like we have a Sigmond Fruit in our midst.
Seems your panties are in a knot.
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Seems your panties are in a knot.
I don't wear panties, phag. No matter how perverse a sexual behavior is, as long as it has to do with phaggots, you'll find a way to justify it or make excuses for it no matter how far fetched.
Look Prime, I've had mostly positive interactions with gays. As a group I find them more intelligent, polite, well kept (personal hygiene is a huge deal with me)...., what I hate is the small minority that's constantly promoting the gay agenda. Trying to make everything gay and no different than heterosexuality. Having sex with either a man or a women -- whatever, toss a coin. It's like their whole world view revolves around sex with men. On this board, any topic with even a hint of gayness you'll be there. Any comment, even if it doesn't have to do with being gay, like OMR's experience, there you'll be. Just making up any justification no matter how far fetched.
"Maybe its because he didn't feel special?"
Yeah, or maybe his grandfather was fired by a homo. May its because Bob Chic gets so much attention for the ice machine incident. Maybe because Stallone made a porno... Any asinine excuse to justify gayness.
Prime, we get it, man. You like to get naked and have sex with other men. It's what preoccupies your thoughts, but FFS you don't have to keep throwing it in our faces. There are a lot of gays/bis on this board but its not really an issue with them. Abraham and Beefy are not shy about it but it doesn't define their persona like you do.
I know you have nothing but free time but just try to control yourself and find other things to do then just sit on GetBig all day and night with this gay, gay, gay. It just makes you seem creepy and disgusting.
Yes, meltdown.
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I don't wear panties, phag. No matter how perverse a sexual behavior is, as long as it has to do with phaggots, you'll find a way to justify it or make excuses for it no matter how far fetched.
Look Prime, I've had mostly positive interactions with gays. As a group I find them more intelligent, polite, well kept (personal hygiene is a huge deal with me)...., what I hate is the small minority that's constantly promoting the gay agenda. Trying to make everything gay and no different than heterosexuality. Having sex with either a man or a women -- whatever, toss a coin. It's like their whole world view revolves around sex with men. On this board, any topic with even a hint of gayness you'll be there. Any comment, even if it doesn't have to do with being gay, like OMR's experience, there you'll be. Just making up any justification no matter how far fetched.
"Maybe its because he didn't feel special?"
Yeah, or maybe his grandfather was fired by a homo. May its because Bob Chic gets so much attention for the ice machine incident. Maybe because Stallone made a porno... Any asinine excuse to justify gayness.
Prime, we get it, man. You like to get naked and have sex with other men. It's what preoccupies your thoughts, but FFS you don't have to keep throwing it in our faces. There are a lot of gays/bis on this board but its not really an issue with them. Abraham and Beefy are not shy about it but it doesn't define their persona like you do.
I know you have nothing but free time but just try to control yourself and find other things to do then just sit on GetBig all day and night with this gay, gay, gay. It just makes you seem creepy and disgusting.
Yes, meltdown.
LMFAO!
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I don't wear panties, phag. No matter how perverse a sexual behavior is, as long as it has to do with phaggots, you'll find a way to justify it or make excuses for it no matter how far fetched.
Look Prime, I've had mostly positive interactions with gays. As a group I find them more intelligent, polite, well kept (personal hygiene is a huge deal with me)...., what I hate is the small minority that's constantly promoting the gay agenda. Trying to make everything gay and no different than heterosexuality. Having sex with either a man or a women -- whatever, toss a coin. It's like their whole world view revolves around sex with men. On this board, any topic with even a hint of gayness you'll be there. Any comment, even if it doesn't have to do with being gay, like OMR's experience, there you'll be. Just making up any justification no matter how far fetched.
"Maybe its because he didn't feel special?"
Yeah, or maybe his grandfather was fired by a homo. May its because Bob Chic gets so much attention for the ice machine incident. Maybe because Stallone made a porno... Any asinine excuse to justify gayness.
Prime, we get it, man. You like to get naked and have sex with other men. It's what preoccupies your thoughts, but FFS you don't have to keep throwing it in our faces. There are a lot of gays/bis on this board but its not really an issue with them. Abraham and Beefy are not shy about it but it doesn't define their persona like you do.
I know you have nothing but free time but just try to control yourself and find other things to do then just sit on GetBig all day and night with this gay, gay, gay. It just makes you seem creepy and disgusting.
No Meltdown - Just Truth
Slightly amended for you.
Well said Pellius.
Prime pls take note & remedy yourself.
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I don't wear panties, phag. No matter how perverse a sexual behavior is, as long as it has to do with phaggots, you'll find a way to justify it or make excuses for it no matter how far fetched.
Look Prime, I've had mostly positive interactions with gays. As a group I find them more intelligent, polite, well kept (personal hygiene is a huge deal with me)...., what I hate is the small minority that's constantly promoting the gay agenda. Trying to make everything gay and no different than heterosexuality. Having sex with either a man or a women -- whatever, toss a coin. It's like their whole world view revolves around sex with men. On this board, any topic with even a hint of gayness you'll be there. Any comment, even if it doesn't have to do with being gay, like OMR's experience, there you'll be. Just making up any justification no matter how far fetched.
"Maybe its because he didn't feel special?"
Yeah, or maybe his grandfather was fired by a homo. May its because Bob Chic gets so much attention for the ice machine incident. Maybe because Stallone made a porno... Any asinine excuse to justify gayness.
Prime, we get it, man. You like to get naked and have sex with other men. It's what preoccupies your thoughts, but FFS you don't have to keep throwing it in our faces. There are a lot of gays/bis on this board but its not really an issue with them. Abraham and Beefy are not shy about it but it doesn't define their persona like you do.
I know you have nothing but free time but just try to control yourself and find other things to do then just sit on GetBig all day and night with this gay, gay, gay. It just makes you seem creepy and disgusting.
Yes, meltdown.
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Slightly amended for you.
Well said Pellius.
Prime pls take note & remedy yourself.
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Ha ha ha
Good Humour- Prime 👍🏻
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Sorry...I am having medical problems and meant titus. but i also despise Prince for his odd bs. I'll leave i tjup because they trained together. Shit. I cannot see well enough to ttype, lOL!
Thans for the correction help, brother! I apologize for being sick and trying to contribute. I need to take time away again. cannot even train. Thanks again!
You fucking idiot. What's wrong with you? The clock is ticking old bastard. Tick-tock........tick-tock.....not much time left......Dont use your medical situation to garner sympathy. You're going to die and then you're going to burn in hell for eternity. Chew on that phaggot.
Do us all a favor and dont come back this time.
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You fucking idiot. What's wrong with you? The clock is ticking old bastard. Tick-tock........tick-tock.....not much time left......Dont use your medical situation to garner sympathy. You're going to die and then you're going to burn in hell for eternity. Chew on that phaggot.
Do us all a favor and dont come back this time.
Your parents called again. They want their surname back. You belong to a domestic terrorist organization, the self-named "black hebrew israelites". Evil, deceit and envy made flesh. You may well wind up in jail like Gronk and ESF have been.
Typist.
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You fucking idiot. What's wrong with you? The clock is ticking old bastard. Tick-tock........tick-tock.....not much time left......Dont use your medical situation to garner sympathy. You're going to die and then you're going to burn in hell for eternity. Chew on that phaggot.
Do us all a favor and dont come back this time.
Out of order Wiggs.
You’ve let yourself down very badly - you proclaim to be a man of faith / religion
And here you are acting like a Muslime Raghead Lowlife.
Sure we don’t all get on or agree with one another - Wishing the kind of stuff
You posted is well out of order. As much as we don’t see eye to eye - I expect
Better conduct from yourself.
Be a Man & issue an apology.
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Out of order Wiggs.
You’ve let yourself down very badly - you proclaim to be a man of faith / religion
And here you are acting like a Muslime Raghead Lowlife.
Sure we don’t all get on or agree with one another - Wishing the kind of stuff
You posted is well out of order. As much as we don’t see eye to eye - I expect
Better conduct from yourself.
Be a Man & issue an apology.
No apology is needed, brother. Wiggs is really stupid.
Wiggs is a self proclaimed and proud member of the domestic terrorist group the black hebrew israelites (some of them just shot up a Jewish establishment in New Jersey) and so finds all beings of non-color to be inferior and broffensive. He's posted a lot of how whitey is going to be tossed into the lake of fire by black jeebus and burn for eternity. He despises the Jewish people and has joined a cult that seeks to steal a heritage not their own because their own reeeeeeally SUCKS.
Fuck that racist twatling.
I find him to be utterly ignorant.
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You fucking idiot. What's wrong with you? The clock is ticking old bastard. Tick-tock........tick-tock.....not much time left......Dont use your medical situation to garner sympathy. You're going to die and then you're going to burn in hell for eternity. Chew on that phaggot.
Do us all a favor and dont come back this time.
You cannot have it both ways. You cannot love God and not love his sons.
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Out of order Wiggs.
You’ve let yourself down very badly - you proclaim to be a man of faith / religion
And here you are acting like a Muslime Raghead Lowlife.
Sure we don’t all get on or agree with one another - Wishing the kind of stuff
You posted is well out of order. As much as we don’t see eye to eye - I expect
Better conduct from yourself.
Be a Man & issue an apology.
Illuminati, I didn't wish death upon him. I told him what was going to happen to him. BUT, you are indeed correct, I should conduct myself better so I apologize to YOU for seeing me in this light even though we don't get along that often. As far as shitstain goes, he can burn in hell.
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Illuminati, I didn't wish death upon him. I told him what was going to happen to him. BUT, you are indeed correct, I should conduct myself better so I apologize to YOU for seeing me in this light even though we don't get along that often. As far as shitstain goes, he can burn in hell.
I appreciate your reply Wiggs.
And No you didn’t wish death specifically-
Though it was kind of implied
And not becoming of you.
+ I’m getting older & that fate gets ever closer with every passing day.
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I appreciate your reply Wiggs.
And No you didn’t wish death specifically-
Though it was kind of implied
And not becoming of you.
+ I’m getting older & that fate gets ever closer with every passing day.
Wiggs will suffer reality.
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You cannot have it both ways. You cannot love God and not love his sons.
If they are not God's sons, he can.