Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure

Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SF1900 on November 28, 2019, 07:15:48 AM

Title: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2019, 07:15:48 AM
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Rambone on November 28, 2019, 07:19:31 AM
I’ll be eating a little extra now for the self-hating liberals out there
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Kwon on November 28, 2019, 07:27:07 AM
I’ll be eating a little extra now for the self-hating liberals out there

Me too!

And some extra for the Flat Earthers, Black Israelites, The Westboro Baptists, The Hairdressers and The Homewreckers and the Vegans.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2019, 07:27:30 AM
Give thanks retards

Living a life of resentment=gay neegul
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: The Scott on November 28, 2019, 07:30:11 AM
Give thanks retards

Living a life of resentment=gay neegul

Izzat Wiggs you be dissin'...'n' sheit.  He be de Jizzraelites last hope.

Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: oldgolds on November 28, 2019, 08:46:45 AM
You should thank God for Europeans who came here and created the most advanced, prosperous country in history.Native Americans would still be living in huts and killing each other without our intervention.  Look at the reservations today, poverty, squalor, crime, disfunction...And they get tons of government benefits, free rent etc.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Royalty on November 28, 2019, 09:27:01 AM
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.


SF1900 will mount an attack on the weights
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: hardgainerj on November 28, 2019, 09:31:32 AM
heres a brief lesson

Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2019, 10:45:35 AM
I just arrived at Rory’s parents home and they said Happy Thanksgiving and I said “sorry but I don’t celebrate Thanksgiving. Read the history.”
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: chaos on November 28, 2019, 10:50:30 AM
I just arrived at Rory’s parents home and they said Happy Thanksgiving and I said “sorry but I don’t celebrate Thanksgiving. Read the history.” Then they laughed at me and made me eat at the children's table.
:D
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2019, 10:53:19 AM
:D

Not true at all!!
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: robcguns on November 28, 2019, 11:05:59 AM
You should thank God for Europeans who came here and created the most advanced, prosperous country in history.Native Americans would still be living in huts and killing each other without our intervention.  Look at the reservations today, poverty, squalor, crime, disfunction...And they get tons of government benefits, free rent etc.

This
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: OneMoreRep on November 28, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd.

Anyone who actually takes the time to read up on US history would not find themselves in shock or disbelief by such actions. It's what has been done since the beginning and will continue to be done. The great stories and memories will always be defined & narrated by the victorious.

With Native Americans, their genocide was one of the most brutal known to mankind. Prior to 1492, the lowest estimated number of native americans present in what we call the USA was 8 million (but some say that it could have been as high as 200 million - doubtful in my opinion). By 1890, I remember reading that it was more like 200K. The only silver lining to this black cloud comes by way of the fact that today there are around 5 million native americans in the USA. They have slowly built up their numbers once more. Granted, no one knows what would have become of them had they not been practically erased off the face of the earth by the colonists.

Our history is not as glorious as some would hope it to be. Luckily, people can change. People can evolve into accepting others for their differences and can come to terms with coexisting with people of all backgrounds, races and color. Tonight, I share the table with many Jews of a variety of skin tones and hair textures. I will make a toast to all of our GetBig brethren from all parts of the world.

"1"
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: anabolicguru on November 28, 2019, 11:14:59 AM
Me too!

And some extra for the Flat Earthers, Black Israelites, The Westboro Baptists, The Hairdressers and The Homewreckers and the Vegans.


LOL, my parents used to live right next door to the priest from westboro baptist church.  I swear, when he was alive, he always had some crazy shit to say
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Griffith on November 28, 2019, 12:14:05 PM
It's hypocritical and amusing when Americans, Canadians and Australians criticise white South Africans and Rhodesians when they themselves literally exterminated the entire native populations of their own countries.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 28, 2019, 12:21:18 PM
It's hypocritical and amusing when Americans, Canadians and Australians criticise white South Africans and Rhodesians when they themselves literally exterminated the entire native populations of their own countries.


Nope  ;), every one of Abos (around 300 000 of them) costs Aussie tax payers $ 70 000 p/a , 90% of them do nothing just collect free benefits !.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 28, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
All holidays are THE GHEY based on fake, children's stories. I do like the time off though.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 28, 2019, 01:02:03 PM
Be AMERICAN & celebrate Thanksgiving !.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 28, 2019, 01:12:02 PM
You should thank God for Europeans who came here and created the most advanced, prosperous country in history.Native Americans would still be living in huts and killing each other without our intervention.  Look at the reservations today, poverty, squalor, crime, disfunction...And they get tons of government benefits, free rent etc.
This X2.  This myth of the noble savage needs to be debunked not promoted.  Natives were savages who raped, killed and tortured enemies from other tribes just for being from another tribe.  They would sometimes travel over 100 miles just to attack another people who weren't using their land for anything like hunting or harvesting.  Natives were also the first to attack white settlers wherever they settled.  They didn't believe in land ownership but complain to this day their land was stolen. ::)
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: mac33 on November 28, 2019, 01:44:24 PM
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: The Scott on November 28, 2019, 02:07:50 PM
It's hypocritical and amusing when Americans, Canadians and Australians criticise white South Africans and Rhodesians when they themselves literally exterminated the entire native populations of their own countries.

Personally I don't criticize any South Africans or Rhodesians for anything. 

But...But...Butt..What about Casinos?  Ummmmm....errrrrr...I mean "Native American Gaming Establishments.  Who is running those?  Is Wiggs going to start usurping their heritage and claiming that black folks are the real red ones so his peoples can then take over the Casinos and run them?  Into the ground. ;)

The Natives of these lands were primitives.  They treated each other like shit, had not yet invented the wheel (other than, as I understand it, as a "toy") and it was the Spaniards (I think) that brought the horse to this country.  So it would appear they dragged shit everywhere. But oh, they were soooooo in touch with the Universe and the land was their mother and they are soooo wise.  Kinda like Lone Wati, without the smarts and sense of humor.  ;D

Here's what the REAL Lone Watie would look like if the troof wuz be tolded.
(https://i.imgur.com/LVSQkLq.jpg)


And here's an ancient pictogram whitey found chiseled in the side of a majestic slab of pure mud.  It shows how the indigenous peepses used almost every freakin' part of the buffalo!  Wow.  Talk about wise guys.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/87/18/78/871878e86165ef98858ea0235551942d.jpg)

Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: BlackMetallic on November 28, 2019, 02:36:47 PM
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.

Funny, when it’s whites it’s called invasion and genocide

When it’s non whites its called immigration
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: joswift on November 28, 2019, 02:39:58 PM
This X2.  This myth of the noble savage needs to be debunked not promoted.  Natives were savages who raped, killed and tortured enemies from other tribes just for being from another tribe.  They would sometimes travel over 100 miles just to attack another people who weren't using their land for anything like hunting or harvesting.  Natives were also the first to attack white settlers wherever they settled.  They didn't believe in land ownership but complain to this day their land was stolen. ::)


lol, Americans do that now, they have been in multiple countries all over the world killing brown people
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on November 28, 2019, 02:45:33 PM
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.

Do you live in the US?
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2019, 02:52:38 PM
Do you live in the US?

No.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 28, 2019, 02:53:23 PM
This X2.  This myth of the noble savage needs to be debunked not promoted.  Natives were savages who raped, killed and tortured enemies from other tribes just for being from another tribe.  They would sometimes travel over 100 miles just to attack another people who weren't using their land for anything like hunting or harvesting.  Natives were also the first to attack white settlers wherever they settled.  They didn't believe in land ownership but complain to this day their land was stolen. ::)


'Megafuna' was there before them  ;D

So Megafauna land was stolen by them  :)
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on November 28, 2019, 03:08:01 PM
No.

Where do you live?
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2019, 03:16:40 PM
Where do you live?

Croatia.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on November 28, 2019, 03:33:29 PM
Croatia.


Hahahaha! One to talk about a people’s treatment of others! 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Andy Griffin on November 28, 2019, 04:26:06 PM
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.

Wiritten by a self-loathing c0ck gobbler.

Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: OneMoreRep on November 28, 2019, 04:28:49 PM
We know well enough that our standing as a great country was founded on a less than stellar foundation of inconvenient truths.

But if we dwell too much on how history is rewritten and how brainwashed we are as a society in buying into any capitalistic/imperialistic agenda that has furthered the great American cause, we will become bitter. A lot of musicians do this and always swear that if policies don't change or that if the wrong handler takes the white house they will flee to another country (Africa is commonly thrown in as an option, as is Canada). Strangely enough, no one ever truly leaves. Because reality is that we love this place, regardless of how savage our history is. Everyone has skeletons in their closet, regardless of country or race, all mankind started as savages.

Tomorrow, another piece will be written, amongst the many already circulating, noting that independence day should not be celebrated or exalted as much as it is, as it didn't pertain to blacks, women or poor white indentured servants.

"1"
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 28, 2019, 04:38:44 PM
We know well enough that our standing as a great country was founded on a less than stellar foundation of inconvenient truths.

But if we dwell too much on how history is rewritten and how brainwashed we are as a society in buying into any capitalistic/imperialistic agenda that has furthered the great American cause, we will become bitter. A lot of musicians do this and always swear that if policies don't change or that if the wrong handler takes the white house they will flee to another country (Africa is commonly thrown in as an option, as is Canada). Strangely enough, no one ever truly leaves. Because reality is that we love this place, regardless of how savage our history is. Everyone has skeletons in their closet, regardless of country or race, all mankind started as savages.

Tomorrow, another piece will be written, amongst the many already circulating, noting that independence day should not be celebrated or exalted as much as it is, as it didn't pertain to blacks, women or poor white indentured servants.

"1"

What the fuck are you doing here with this well thought out, level headed shit? This is Getbig bro!
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2019, 05:01:22 PM
We know well enough that our standing as a great country was founded on a less than stellar foundation of inconvenient truths.

But if we dwell too much on how history is rewritten and how brainwashed we are as a society in buying into any capitalistic/imperialistic agenda that has furthered the great American cause, we will become bitter. A lot of musicians do this and always swear that if policies don't change or that if the wrong handler takes the white house they will flee to another country (Africa is commonly thrown in as an option, as is Canada). Strangely enough, no one ever truly leaves. Because reality is that we love this place, regardless of how savage our history is. Everyone has skeletons in their closet, regardless of country or race, all mankind started as savages.

Tomorrow, another piece will be written, amongst the many already circulating, noting that independence day should not be celebrated or exalted as much as it is, as it didn't pertain to blacks, women or poor white indentured servants.

"1"

When Trump was elected president, I moved to Croatia.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 28, 2019, 05:02:56 PM
Yes, Europeans should have left America alone. It was sure to prosper with the Indians if left alone. It's not like they were involved in brutal wars with other tribes or used slavery. This is the greatest country on earth. One that people from all over the world want to come to. Even liberals that hate this country refuse to leave because they know no other country compares.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on November 28, 2019, 05:20:37 PM
When Trump was elected president, I moved to Croatia.

Why do that when Croatia hasn’t been absolutely kind to others?
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: OneMoreRep on November 28, 2019, 05:32:38 PM
What the fuck are you doing here with this well thought out, level headed shit? This is Getbig bro!

Sometimes I troll hard. Sometimes I put a little thought behind it.

You have to mix it up a little at times. On to my Goodrum thread now.

"1"
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: che on November 28, 2019, 06:02:30 PM
Why do that when Croatia hasn’t been absolutely kind to others?

Oh brother ::)
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Palumboism on November 28, 2019, 06:13:42 PM
When Trump was elected president, I moved to Croatia.

Are you still an American citizen?
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2019, 06:17:48 PM
Are you still an American citizen?


I didnt move to Croatia.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 28, 2019, 08:02:07 PM
When Trump was elected president, I moved to Croatia.

The most pro American country in EU  8)

(& Israels #.1 buddy in Mediterranean )
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 28, 2019, 08:16:03 PM
I didnt move to Croatia.


Jobs 4 SiFi19oo in Croatia:


a) Military job (massive US base near Zadar)

b) Pro football (soccer) player

c) DJ

d) Nude beach inspector

e) Avocado farmer  (probably this 1)

Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 29, 2019, 05:59:26 AM
Sometimes I troll hard. Sometimes I put a little thought behind it.

You have to mix it up a little at times. On to my Goodrum thread now.

"1"

Hahaha. Exactly why I love this site.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Kwon on November 29, 2019, 06:08:37 AM
Sometimes I troll hard. Sometimes I put a little thought behind it.

You have to mix it up a little at times. On to my Goodrum thread now.

"1"

That's why we love ye!
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Griffith on November 29, 2019, 08:33:46 AM
This X2.  This myth of the noble savage needs to be debunked not promoted.  Natives were savages who raped, killed and tortured enemies from other tribes just for being from another tribe.  They would sometimes travel over 100 miles just to attack another people who weren't using their land for anything like hunting or harvesting.  Natives were also the first to attack white settlers wherever they settled.  They didn't believe in land ownership but complain to this day their land was stolen. ::)

You just described 'modern' Africa.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Desolate on November 29, 2019, 10:17:48 AM
Funny, when it’s whites it’s called invasion and genocide

When it’s non whites its called immigration

One of the best posts ever.

100% truth.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 29, 2019, 10:31:57 AM
You just described 'modern' Africa.
True.  All of these other races complain about whitey but sure love living in our high tech societies.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 29, 2019, 12:41:42 PM
True.  All of these other races complain about whitey but sure love living in our high tech societies.

WHAT, A U telling me that Mercedes is not build in Kongo  :o
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 29, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
WHAT, A U telling me that Mercedes is not build in Kongo  :o
The Germans stole their technology.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: IroNat on November 29, 2019, 02:17:29 PM
(https://news.thetrumptimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/warren.jpg)
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 29, 2019, 02:59:20 PM
The Germans stole their technology.

OMG  :o



 :D

Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2019, 07:58:06 PM
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.

Not to make light of your well thought out post, but don't you like turkey with all the fixings? What about pumpkin or pecan pie? Hard cider?  ;D

Thanksgiving in my family this year was anything but the traditional Hallmark card kind of celebration. -Skyped with my son and German family, none of whom celebrate Thanksgiving for obvious reasons (it is not a German tradition). -Had Thanksgiving breakfast with my daughter and family and then we all went to the theater to see 'Knives Out'.

With my daughter being the social planner, Christmas is bound to be just as differnent and off beat. Nothing says we have to do the same things we always have. Actually, she mentioned having  a brunch on Christmas day or maybe an afternoon dessert and coffee.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: ponal on November 30, 2019, 07:10:38 AM
Not to make light of your well thought out post, but don't you like turkey with all the fixings? What about pumpkin or pecan pie? Hard cider?  ;D

Thanksgiving in my family this year was anything but the traditional Hallmark card kind of celebration. -Skyped with my son and German family, none of whom celebrate Thanksgiving for obvious reasons (it is not a German tradition). -Had Thanksgiving breakfast with my daughter and family and then we all went to the theater to see 'Knives Out'.

With my daughter being the social planner, Christmas is bound to be just as differnent and off beat. Nothing says we have to do the same things we always have. Actually, she mentioned having  a brunch on Christmas day or maybe an afternoon dessert and coffee.
What about Bulls balls?
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: oldgolds on November 30, 2019, 07:21:42 AM
It wasn't genocide...Genocide is trying to destroy the entire group. America set up a system of reservations to try and educate Indians and teach them civilized behavior. Anyone who has read history from that era knows the Native Americans were more brutal than the White Man. Torture, slavery were an integral part of their culture.
Many White Men were roasted alive by Apache, Comanche etc. and many thousand White Women were raped by the "noble red man".
The ignorance of the liberal mind  is truly astounding....
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: GigantorX on November 30, 2019, 07:49:26 AM
One civilization met another civilization.

One lost and the other was victorious.

The end.

Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Griffith on November 30, 2019, 09:48:40 AM
One civilization met another civilization.

One lost and the other was victorious.

The end.



To have attained civilisation, a group needs to have met certain requirements such as written language, stone structures etc.
Title: Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
Post by: Sissysquats on November 30, 2019, 12:13:37 PM
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.

  I will do what’s right for me. You do what’s right for you. There is NO “we”