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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: ToxicAvenger on April 16, 2006, 08:11:52 PM
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whats the difference between jewish and christian people..yanno whats the difference between the old testicle and the new testicle (ok i think its funny k >:( ) ?
pleeeeeze keep it under 10ish lines..
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whats the difference between jewish and christian people..yanno whats the difference between the old testicle and the new testicle (ok i think its funny k >:( ) ?
pleeeeeze keep it under 10ish lines..
I get to eat at Bob Evans and Red Lobster restaurants. ;)
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I get to eat at Bob Evans and Red Lobster restaurants. ;)
seriously man....
and i didn't get that joke :(
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Before christianity .....hence ( before christ). God made a promise to Abraham to make his family line, the one that would give birth to the savoir Jesus Christ.
This started the Jewish religion ( as accounted by Moses). They had very detailed and burdensome laws to live by though. This was the price for them to pay to be Gods chosen people.
This was called the Mosaic law. Not just 10 comandments, but hundreds. The local jewish scholars were called Pharisee's and Saducee's. They added huge amounts of more details that were not required.
Hence when Jesus ( Gods son ) finally got here. The mosaic law was really messed up and Jesus taught that he was the new law. Matt 5:17. It was shocking to the jews that Jesus was healing people on sabbath days. He was eating with prostitutes and lepers. The Jews hated him, they were pompous and self-rightous.
True christianity was born, but less tha 100yrs after he died, pagan beliefs started entering the church again. But the truth is still out there. ;)
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The Jews hated him, they were pompous and self-rightous
:-\ exhibit A : exactly whats wrong with religion...
and you sound like my dad..i'm from a muslim family..he says muhammed came after jesus so we should just go along with "the latest" word of god...quran ::)
anyhow..thanx for keeping it short and simple 8)
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Islam was never meant to be new word of god, or a new religion for that matter, idiot >:( The basic message has always been the same, but as war-horse pointed out, God's word was tampered with over the years..
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:-\ exhibit A : exactly whats wrong with religion...
and you sound like my dad..i'm from a muslim family..he says muhammed came after jesus so we should just go along with "the latest" word of god...quran ::)
anyhow..thanx for keeping it short and simple 8)
Im glad you asked avenger. Your a cool dude. 8)
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Islam was never meant to be new word of god, or a new religion for that matter, idiot >:( The basic message has always been the same, but as war-horse pointed out, God's word was tampered with over the years..
ok ok man..last time i actually set foot in a mosque to please my dad ws yrs n yrs ago..
although i do always show up for Eid everyyr to collect money from the elders :)
(for war and others : on muslim eid (like X-mas) instead of presents the youngsters get $..so i show up like a good wittle muslim boy every yr in my tradational garb and collect around $500 to $600 in a matter of an hour ansd then i pull a copperfield ;D )
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I get to eat at Bob Evans and Red Lobster restaurants. ;)
lol w8 that was funny!
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I'd like someone to scientifically prove the events of the bible(WITHOUT USING THE BIBLE). Scientifically prove everything happened in the bible without once referencing the bible. Prove Genesis,Exodus,Ect..ect without using the bible. But using science and history.
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seriously man....
and i didn't get that joke :(
Pork (sausage) and shellfish. :-\
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I'd like someone to scientifically prove the events of the bible(WITHOUT USING THE BIBLE). Scientifically prove everything happened in the bible without once referencing the bible. Prove Genesis,Exodus,Ect..ect without using the bible. But using science and history.
??? wait ???
how do you prove the events of the Bible without actually using the Bible? in other words, are you making a point to say, "if you take away the Bible, nothing really happened." Is this what you're asking, JA?
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??? wait ???
how do you prove the events of the Bible without actually using the Bible? in other words, are you making a point to say, "if you take away the Bible, nothing really happened." Is this what you're asking, JA?
I'm saying the bible is just an old book. You can't use the bible to confirm the bible,That's circular reasoning. I'm asking for confirmation of the events in the bible without refrencing the bible as evidence of the bible.
Prove the events in the bible scientifically and historically. Without ever saying "Becuase the bible says so!".
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Toxy,
War-Horse's post is great...here's an even shorter explanation of the difference:
Jews (in gen) don't believe Jesus was/is the Messiah. Christians do.
And like War-Horse said, thanks for being respectful and wanting to learn stuff :)
I've got a lot of questions for haidar and Dan-O.....but I'll start threads on those later...got to get to the gym...
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Toxy,
War-Horse's post is great...here's an even shorter explanation of the difference:
Jews don't believe Jesus was/is the Messiah. Christians do.
And like War-Horse said, thanks for being respectful and wanting to learn stuff :)
I've got a lot of questions for haidar and Dan-O.....but I'll start threads on those later...got to get to the gym...
Did you read my explanations of how the passages you posted where jesus was speaking isn't him claiming to be God?
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I'm saying the bible is just an old book. You can't use the bible to confirm the bible,That's circular reasoning. I'm asking for confirmation of the events in the bible without refrencing the bible as evidence of the bible.
Prove the events in the bible scientifically and historically. Without ever saying "Becuase the bible says so!".
Isn't this still circular reasoning, even by your own definition?
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Isn't this still circular reasoning, even by your own definition?
"Circular reasoning" is using a claim as evidence of a claim.
The claim is the bible is true. Claming the bible is true based on the bible being true is a circular claim.
You can't use the bible as evidence of the bible. It's just an old book. IF it is indeed true you should be able to establish the claims the bible makes without using the bible itself as evidence of the claims.
For instance the "Great flood". Let's forget the bible exists. The claim is there was a global flood a few thousand years ago. The goal is to prove that claim scientifically.
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Pork (sausage) and shellfish. :-\
you'r not allowed shellfish?
the pork bit i get.muslims aren't allowed pork either..
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I'm saying the bible is just an old book. You can't use the bible to confirm the bible,That's circular reasoning. I'm asking for confirmation of the events in the bible without refrencing the bible as evidence of the bible.
Prove the events in the bible scientifically and historically. Without ever saying "Becuase the bible says so!".
Isn't this still circular reasoning, even by your own definition?
Colossus you indeed are 6'1" 311 lbs with an IQ rivaling your chest measurement.
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I'd like someone to scientifically prove the events of the bible(WITHOUT USING THE BIBLE). Scientifically prove everything happened in the bible without once referencing the bible. Prove Genesis,Exodus,Ect..ect without using the bible. But using science and history.
All things cannot be accounted for, but I have posted numerous links and articals that you will not address simply because it comes from Christian sites that also have secular backing!
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you'r not allowed shellfish?
the pork bit i get.muslims aren't allowed pork either..
It's my understanding that Jews do not eat pork or shellfish. Have my Jewish friends been having fun with me? :P
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you'r not allowed shellfish?
the pork bit i get.muslims aren't allowed pork either..
I dont think u followed the context in which the comment was posted. Toxy, do u eat bacon?
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Toxy, do u eat bacon?
nope...hate the taste..although i'l eat pepperoni pizza if offered..i wont go out n buy it..
and i hardly eat chicken..it has to be a certain way..thats the only way i'll eat it
i dont do sea food either ..only lobste tail with wine..
i just dont do smelly food..hense i HATE garlic..HATE it with a passion..partly why i quit hosting at the italian resturants i used to...
only way i eat chicken..
chicken strips dipped in wing sauce
sometimes wings
boneless chicken cooked over a skewer (chicken tikka)!
i have a lot of greek friends and i've grown to detest lamb also :( the way the greeks prepare it EXACTLY the way us pakis prepare it..all smelly like..ick..
ok..i'm a VERy picky eater..no wonder i'm skinny :-\
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Now you're gonna tell me u like drinking soy milk :'(
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Now you're gonna tell me u like drinking soy milk :'(
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Well Johnny. Science and God can work together. Did you know the reason for the ice age and lack of fossils is explained by the suddeness of the flood in noahs day?? The temperature was different in other parts of the earth.....hence mammoths dug up with food still in their stomach. Dinosaurs leaving remains because the weight of the soil pressed by the water was an instant package of death.
All the answers are there. Even the explanation of special enviroments it would take to fossilize.
Philisophers and astronomers were still arguing the earth was flat and told columbus he would sail off the edge as late as 1492. The bible stated flat out that the earth was round in Genesis, Thats 3-4000 yrs later. Also in 800 bce. Amos 5:8 described earths water cycle of evaporation from the water bodies back down to rivers and lakes, back to the sea and again. King Solomon described it at Ecc1:7.
Sodom and gommorah the ancient city destroyed by brimstone......has been found and scholars cant explain the charred remains....theres no volcano anywhere. I could go on and on........
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All things cannot be accounted for, but I have posted numerous links and articals that you will not address simply because it comes from Christian sites that also have secular backing!
"That I will not address" BAHAHA!
You're a damn liar "mr. intenseone". Infact i've addressed MOST of your pathetic articles. I only stopped doing it because you would not respond to what I refuted about them. You spend 5 seconds copying pasting articles written by other people, I spend 45 minutes refuting the article..Then you don't even address what I posted point by point.
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Well Johnny. Science and God can work together. Did you know the reason for the ice age and lack of fossils is explained by the suddeness of the flood in noahs day?? The temperature was different in other parts of the earth.....hence mammoths dug up with food still in their stomach. Dinosaurs leaving remains because the weight of the soil pressed by the water was an instant package of death.
Good grief, Never heard THIS one before... ::)
According to bible chronology the flood occured about 4,000 years ago. The ice age ended over 12,000 years ago! Do the math!
Lack of fossils? We have PLENTY of fossils. The reason for the fact we don't have more is because fossilization itself is rare. The process doesn't happen alot. The conditions required for fossilization are rare.
Mammoths being frozen with food in their stomach isn't a sign of some sudden catastrophe. Mammoths would of always had food in their stomach. They died with it in their stomach and then were preserved by the freezing tempeture(which they lived in).
All the answers are there. Even the explanation of special enviroments it would take to fossilize.
Philisophers and astronomers were still arguing the earth was flat and told columbus he would sail off the edge as late as 1492. The bible stated flat out that the earth was round in Genesis, Thats 3-4000 yrs later. Also in 800 bce. Amos 5:8 described earths water cycle of evaporation from the water bodies back down to rivers and lakes, back to the sea and again. King Solomon described it at Ecc1:7.
Sodom and gommorah the ancient city destroyed by brimstone......has been found and scholars cant explain the charred remains....theres no volcano anywhere. I could go on and on........
This is absolutely false. Do more research.
We KNEW the earth was round as far back as ancient times. The Alexandrian philosopher Eratosthenes was the first to MEASURE the circumfrence of the earth by using shadows in wells.
Hundreds of years prior to that Aristotle argued the earth was a sphere in his writings because of the fact the shadow of the earth on the moon during an eclipse was circular(Only possible with a spherical earth). This is before the bible was even written.
Christians like to use the passage where it says the "Circile of the earth" to claim they claimed it was round. In reality the "circle of the earth" is meant to describe the horizion of the sky(Which is a circle) not the shape of the globe itself. The earth is a sphere not a "circle".
The bible claims the eart is FLAT.
Matthew 4:8 claims jesus saw the entire world from the highest mountain.(not possible on a sphere earth)
Daniel 4:7-8 mentions a tree at the "center of the world". This also implies the earth is flat. Considering such a tree would of been impossible on a round earth.
The fact of the matter is simple..The authors of the bible would of KNOWN scientists believed in a round earth even before the bible was written(Eratosthenes,Aristotle). Yet they still made it as if the earth was flat!
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"That I will not address" BAHAHA!
You're a damn liar "mr. intenseone". Infact i've addressed MOST of your pathetic articles. I only stopped doing it because you would not respond to what I refuted about them. You spend 5 seconds copying pasting articles written by other people, I spend 45 minutes refuting the article..Then you don't even address what I posted point by point.
it take me 5 seconds because I've spent years reading them, it's not like I pull stuff out of my butt and post them. Johnny....YOU are my test of Faith and you know what.......you're losing. The rhetoric and babble you post makes me even stronger in my belief....so BITE ME!
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Another question for Johnny.
For being such a great "intellect" and accomplishing as much as you claim at such a young age, you should be in demand. Do you not have a job? You seem to spend most of your waking moments on here arguing your point as if you have something to prove.
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it take me 5 seconds because I've spent years reading them, it's not like I pull stuff out of my butt and post them. Johnny....YOU are my test of Faith and you know what.......you're losing. The rhetoric and babble you post makes me even stronger in my belief....so BITE ME!
More lies.
You've NEVER read them. If you had you could DEFEND THEM. Or else you wouldn't believe them in which case you would not post them.
You obviously have never read them.
You can't defend them or even argue them in your own words. I've spent years reading SCIENCE and I can defend whatever is claimed by science and can argue it in my own words. You on the other hand can't.
If you can..DO IT. Stop making up excuses.
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Another question for Johnny.
For being such a great "intellect" and accomplishing as much as you claim at such a young age, you should be in demand. Do you not have a job? You seem to spend most of your waking moments on here arguing your point as if you have something to prove.
I spend maybe 30 min a day on here.(Though i'm logged in all day). I already mentioned my occupation. I don't like repeating myself.
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More lies.
You've NEVER read them. If you had you could DEFEND THEM. Or else you wouldn't believe them in which case you would not post them.
You obviously have never read them.
You can't defend them or even argue them in your own words. I've spent years reading SCIENCE and I can defend whatever is claimed by science and can argue it in my own words. You on the other hand can't.
If you can..DO IT. Stop making up excuses.
LOL..Hahaha whatever dude!
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LOL..Hahaha whatever dude!
Oh wow..."Whatever"! What a comeback! You sure stumped me!
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I spend maybe 30 min a day on here.(Though i'm logged in all day). I already mentioned my occupation. I don't like repeating myself.
See Johnny, there ya go lying again, according to your post summary you average almost 28 posts per day. Job market must be pretty bleak in Blyth!
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See Johnny, there ya go lying again, according to your post summary you average almost 28 posts per day. Job market must be pretty bleak in Blyth!
28 posts per day..On average less than a minute per post. Seems just about right.
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28 posts per day..On average less than a minute per post. Seems just about right.
Come on Johnny , unless you type over 200 words per minute, some of the "I thoughtfully wrote these posts from my own words" are quite long. You don't have to be "ashamed" to be online that long.
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Come on Johnny , unless you type over 200 words per minute, some of the "I thoughtfully wrote these posts from my own words" are quite long. You don't have to be "ashamed" to be online that long.
Over 120 words per minute.
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Over 120 words per minute.
amazing. ::)
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Now you're gonna tell me u like drinking soy milk :'(
actually i do like soy milk..since i'm ocassionally lactose intolerant..
ie..one day i'll eat a whole pizza and i'm fine and another i'll eat half a sorbet and i'm in the shitter...
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I'd like someone to scientifically prove the events of the bible(WITHOUT USING THE BIBLE). Scientifically prove everything happened in the bible without once referencing the bible. Prove Genesis,Exodus,Ect..ect without using the bible. But using science and history.
? The Bible is a historical book.
How about this one: scientifically prove the origin of the seven day week without using the Bible.
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? The Bible is a historical book.
How about this one: scientifically prove the origin of the seven day week without using the Bible.
The bible isn't a History book. It's a RELIGIOUS book.
Scientifically prove the origin of the 7 day week without using the bible?
The 7 day week has it's origins in rome not from christianity. Back then there were only 5 known planets and the astrologers decided to make a day for every known planet and the sun + the moon making 7 days.
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The bible isn't a History book. It's a RELIGIOUS book.
Scientifically prove the origin of the 7 day week without using the bible?
The 7 day week has it's origins in rome not from christianity. Back then there were only 5 known planets and the astrologers decided to make a day for every known planet and the sun + the moon making 7 days.
The Bible is both a historical and religious book. Surely you're not contending everything in the Bible is fiction?
Re the seven-day week: doesn't sound like science to me. You can scientifically measure certain units of time (earth rotating around the moon, earth rotating on it's axis), but how do you scientifically measure the seven-day week?