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I can't tell if he was using a thumbless grip but that's the only way I can see it falling on him by the way he was benching.
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Damn. RIP.
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Damn, that’s hard to watch. Never bench alone and always use a spotter. Pellius, I guess I’ve been lucky for 40 years using a false grip, however I don’t recommend it. Bet almost anything his heart exploded
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Damn, that’s hard to watch. Never bench alone and always use a spotter. Pellius, I guess I’ve been lucky for 40 years using a false grip, however I don’t recommend it. Bet almost anything his heart exploded
I actually use a false grip on everything. When the thumb is engage, especially on a straight bar, it twist your forearm unnaturally and I believe hurts the elbows long term. On pulling movements I want my hands to act more like hooks. When the thumb is engage I think you grip too hard and fatiguing the hands and using your arms more.
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Never use thumbless grip
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I actually use a false grip on everything. When the thumb is engage, especially on a straight bar, it twist your forearm unnaturally and I believe hurts the elbows long term. On pulling movements I want my hands to act more like hooks. When the thumb is engage I think you grip too hard and fatiguing the hands and using your arms more.
I've always thought the same - I find a thumbless grip a bit easier to use. Might just stick dumbells and the hammer machine after watching that.
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I can't watch it. I used to bench pretty heavy at night by myself with false grip. Pretty stupid but I was young.
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Damn, that’s hard to watch. Never bench alone and always use a spotter. Pellius, I guess I’ve been lucky for 40 years using a false grip, however I don’t recommend it. Bet almost anything his heart exploded
You are creating a false sense of safety:
this experienced lifter had 3 spotters, yet died at a nearby trauma centre, at age 34
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYDfporX00
Do the math: a 400 lbs weight drops from say 2 feet in what time?
Human reaction time is at least 0.1 seconds
If the weight hits your heart / lungs / ribs sooner, even Thor & Eddie Hall won't be able to save your life
A correctly used Smith machine probably isn't tough or masculin looking for some guys, but the entire point of going to a gym is to become healthier, not dying imo
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Epic 1/2 reps, no self-spotters, thumbless grip, now lack of oxygen.
If you bench by yourself, setup in power-rack under pins, or ya, use d-bells.
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Never used a spotter and always used a thumbless grip,I occasionally thought about this happening luckily never did.He prob thought he made it until he dropped dead, that sucks.
I did almost die getting 495 stuck on my chest while benching alone at a Boston sports club about 15 years ago.My buddy was the manager and I can in at closing time and he was just leaving,well long story short I worked up to 495 and then got stuck and luckily he came back in and helped me get it off cause for some reason I put collars on that day which I almost never did.It was almost like I was supposed to die that day.
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I haven't benched in over 15 years. (I know, it shows). I did get stuck once when I was a kid lifting at home with my Sears 110 lb barbell set. Of course, stage and era, I never thought what I would do in that situation. In this case, I did the roll to the stomach but I still couldn't sit up and the bar was digging into my gut making it hard to breathe. So, even though it had collars holding the plates in place I tilted the bar to one side and slid it off that way. I did crack one of the 25 lb plates. The cement cracked open the plastic casing but I was able to Duct tape it back together.
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How hard is it to wrap your thumbs around the bar to secure it ??? I’m sure keeping your thumb muscles out of the lift really direct the gains entirely to the pecs and is worth the risk of heart explosion or barbell guillotine to the throat. Whatever it takes....
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This is why I stick mainly with DB - that really sucks. RIP
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The thumb-less grip feels better for a full ROM and a deep stretch.. .. but that does not help build the chest and screws up the shoulders. Heavy Benching in general is horrible for he shoulders anyways, and there is no evidence that it builds the chest better than inclines, declines or machines. so Incline all the way for me for my basic free weight strength builder.
Its called suicide grip for a reason. RIP. to a fellow brother in iron.
I also don't see the sense in benching anything over 405. Unless you are just a massive dude like Thor where 405 is like 225 for the regular guy.
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It was the half reps that undone him as well as the grip. The half reps cause a tiny bit of rotation forward, so much more likely for the bar to slip out.
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It might not have been the grip.
It is possible that he had a wrist injury or shoulder injury during the set, and his hand/arm gave out.
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I can't tell if he was using a thumbless grip but that's the only way I can see it falling on him by the way he was benching.
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Oops :o :o
Rule No. 1 - Don’t drop a heavy weight on your Chest / Rib Cage !!
Still he went out doing what he liked.
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Coach is right. The impact of the bar stopped his heart.
Similar to kids who get hit in the chest with a baseball or someone who gets punched in the chest.
It's a rare event but it does happen,.
Guy was dumb to not bench in a rack with safety bars though. Many people who go to gyms just don't know what they are doing.
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Coach is right. The impact of the bar stopped his heart.
Similar to kids who get hit in the chest with a baseball or someone who gets punched in the chest.
It's a rare event but it does happen,.
Guy was dumb to not bench in a rack with safety bars though. Many people who go to gyms just don't know what they are doing.
He likely knew what he was doing - just didn’t factor in the possible danger !!
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He likely knew what he was doing - just didn’t factor in the possible danger !!
Maybe he committed suicide.
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Thumbless grip prevents you from maximizing your grip strength which significantly increases your overall pressing strength. You want to grip the bar as though you want to pinch it in half. When you grip as hard as you can you automatically engage other muscle groups aiding in the lift phase. Same with curls, presses etc. Gripping the bar as hard as you can should be the priority when lifting heavy
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RIP
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The amount of dumb fuckss in this thread is hilarious!! Heavy benching is NOT bad for your shoulders, heavy benches with your shitty exercise form IS!!! Thumb less grip may feel good but so does sniffing glue for some idiots, doesn't mean it's good for you!!! You don't need a spotter if you bench in a power rack with safety bars set up.
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The amount of dumb fuckss in this thread is hilarious!! Heavy benching is NOT bad for your shoulders, heavy benches with your shitty exercise form IS!!! Thumb less grip may feel good but so does sniffing glue for some idiots, doesn't mean it's good for you!!! You don't need a spotter if you bench in a power rack with safety bars set up.
Never have and never will use a spotter and thumbless grip is the only way for me to press.guess I’m a dumb fuck.
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use this, a thumbless grip is safe with one of these plus you actually get a greater ROM due to the yoke design.
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The amount of dumb fuckss in this thread is hilarious!! Heavy benching is NOT bad for your shoulders, heavy benches with your shitty exercise form IS!!! Thumb less grip may feel good but so does sniffing glue for some idiots, doesn't mean it's good for you!!! You don't need a spotter if you bench in a power rack with safety bars set up.
bench press puts the shoulder in its correct range of motion, delts are for pushing away from the body, overhead pressing will fuck up your shoulders because its not a natural range of motion..
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The guys survived the initial impact...for crissakes at least have the courtesy to re-rack the weights. Membership CANCELED!!
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Died doing what he loved.
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I was benching alone in the basement one night and got caught under 275 (7-8 rep). It was on my chest and I got a surge of adrenalin from the fear, I managed to turn the bar a little to the side and spin out from under it, my heart was pounding afterwards.
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RIP.
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Funny story...
My 2nd day in prison (when I got transfered to the actual prison and out of reception) I went down to the weight room before morning count (each unit had its own small weight room. Some better equipped then others. Some had a single universal machine with a set of those old square adjustable dbs, some had actual free weights... In addition to the full weight-pile in the rec-area with power racks, flat, Dec, Inc benches, etc etc..)..
... Anyways, this one had a flat bench/free weights. I just got back from breakfast and go down expecting to get a quick shoulder and tricep pump. Open the door and turn on the light and there's a dude laying on the flat bench. I look around and think "wtf is this dude doing lying on the bench in the dark?". Thought I might've walked in on him jerking off or something and turn to the right. I realize he hadn't made a sound, and glance over and see the bar is loaded (found out later it was 365) & on the floor behind the bench like he was doing deadlifts.. Do a double take and see the pool of gooey blood allll over the floor/carpet beneith the bench and bar, look up and see his head hanging off the end/back of the bench with his spine poking up/out through his spine and realize "this ain't my problem. I didn't see anything." And go back up to my room/cell till count time.
Sure enough. 30min later, like 15mins before scheduled count, we have an emergency-count. Then another. Then we're on lockdown till almost lunch.
Later on find out the dude found out he was getting transfered to Texas to testify against some people on a Fed case, and he was likely gonna be stabbed there because of it. Didn't recognize the guy when he was on the bench, but found out I was playing cards with the dude the day before and I think he only had like a 4-5yr sentence.. anyways, he'd loaded up the bar with 3 plates and a quarter each side, unracked it off the back and guillotined himself. Brutal way to go.
Needless to say, we lost the "on-unit" exercise rooms and they got turned into "study rooms" by the next week.
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Funny story...
My 2nd day in prison (when I got transfered to the actual prison and out of reception) I went down to the weight room before morning count (each unit had its own small weight room. Some better equipped then others. Some had a single universal machine with a set of those old square adjustable dbs, some had actual free weights... In addition to the full weight-pile in the rec-area with power racks, flat, Dec, Inc benches, etc etc..)..
... Anyways, this one had a flat bench/free weights. I just got back from breakfast and go down expecting to get a quick shoulder and tricep pump. Open the door and turn on the light and there's a dude laying on the flat bench. I look around and think "wtf is this dude doing lying on the bench in the dark?". Thought I might've walked in on him jerking off or something and turn to the right. I realize he hadn't made a sound, and glance over and see the bar is loaded (found out later it was 365) & on the floor behind the bench like he was doing deadlifts.. Do a double take and see the pool of gooey blood allll over the floor/carpet beneith the bench and bar, look up and see his head hanging off the end/back of the bench with his spine poking up/out through his spine and realize "this ain't my problem. I didn't see anything." And go back up to my room/cell till count time.
Sure enough. 30min later, like 15mins before scheduled count, we have an emergency-count. Then another. Then we're on lockdown till almost lunch.
Later on find out the dude found out he was getting transfered to Texas to testify against some people on a Fed case, and he was likely gonna be stabbed there because of it. Didn't recognize the guy when he was on the bench, but found out I was playing cards with the dude the day before and I think he only had like a 4-5yr sentence.. anyways, he'd loaded up the bar with 3 plates and a quarter each side, unracked it off the back and guillotined himself. Brutal way to go.
Needless to say, we lost the "on-unit" exercise rooms and they got turned into "study rooms" by the next week.
Hey ES,you should do YouTube vids with prison stories kind of Wes Watson like.People would Eat it up as the prison shit genre seems to be taking off.
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Died doing what he loved.
Totally worth it.
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The guys survived the initial impact...for crissakes at least have the courtesy to re-rack the weights. Membership CANCELED!!
Hahaha
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Not only the thumb less grip but he could have passed out straining to complete the lift. Since he was doing half reps he was using more weight than he could handle. Another previous comment was that he could have blown out a shoulder or a pec. I rarely bench anymore but I use safety racks so if I fail it's not crushing me.
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Hey ES,you should do YouTube vids with prison stories kind of Wes Watson like.People would Eat it up as the prison shit genre seems to be taking off.
Nah. Most ppl have no idea I've been to prison.
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I have spotted at meets and saved ppl from this very think . U interlock your hands about half an inch away following the bar up. You can catch it..but u have to be ready and watch what is going on
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I actually love the short ROM. Perfect bodybuilding style reps. As long as he gets his diet together and has a solid posing routine he should do well in his bodybuilding debut. Probably a light heavy I'm guessing.
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Funny story...
My 2nd day in prison (when I got transfered to the actual prison and out of reception) I went down to the weight room before morning count (each unit had its own small weight room. Some better equipped then others. Some had a single universal machine with a set of those old square adjustable dbs, some had actual free weights... In addition to the full weight-pile in the rec-area with power racks, flat, Dec, Inc benches, etc etc..)..
... Anyways, this one had a flat bench/free weights. I just got back from breakfast and go down expecting to get a quick shoulder and tricep pump. Open the door and turn on the light and there's a dude laying on the flat bench. I look around and think "wtf is this dude doing lying on the bench in the dark?". Thought I might've walked in on him jerking off or something and turn to the right. I realize he hadn't made a sound, and glance over and see the bar is loaded (found out later it was 365) & on the floor behind the bench like he was doing deadlifts.. Do a double take and see the pool of gooey blood allll over the floor/carpet beneith the bench and bar, look up and see his head hanging off the end/back of the bench with his spine poking up/out through his spine and realize "this ain't my problem. I didn't see anything." And go back up to my room/cell till count time.
Sure enough. 30min later, like 15mins before scheduled count, we have an emergency-count. Then another. Then we're on lockdown till almost lunch.
Later on find out the dude found out he was getting transfered to Texas to testify against some people on a Fed case, and he was likely gonna be stabbed there because of it. Didn't recognize the guy when he was on the bench, but found out I was playing cards with the dude the day before and I think he only had like a 4-5yr sentence.. anyways, he'd loaded up the bar with 3 plates and a quarter each side, unracked it off the back and guillotined himself. Brutal way to go.
Needless to say, we lost the "on-unit" exercise rooms and they got turned into "study rooms" by the next week.
That's where it all went wrong
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Funny story...
My 2nd day in prison (when I got transfered to the actual prison and out of reception) I went down to the weight room before morning count (each unit had its own small weight room. Some better equipped then others. Some had a single universal machine with a set of those old square adjustable dbs, some had actual free weights... In addition to the full weight-pile in the rec-area with power racks, flat, Dec, Inc benches, etc etc..)..
... Anyways, this one had a flat bench/free weights. I just got back from breakfast and go down expecting to get a quick shoulder and tricep pump. Open the door and turn on the light and there's a dude laying on the flat bench. I look around and think "wtf is this dude doing lying on the bench in the dark?". Thought I might've walked in on him jerking off or something and turn to the right. I realize he hadn't made a sound, and glance over and see the bar is loaded (found out later it was 365) & on the floor behind the bench like he was doing deadlifts.. Do a double take and see the pool of gooey blood allll over the floor/carpet beneith the bench and bar, look up and see his head hanging off the end/back of the bench with his spine poking up/out through his spine and realize "this ain't my problem. I didn't see anything." And go back up to my room/cell till count time.
Sure enough. 30min later, like 15mins before scheduled count, we have an emergency-count. Then another. Then we're on lockdown till almost lunch.
Later on find out the dude found out he was getting transfered to Texas to testify against some people on a Fed case, and he was likely gonna be stabbed there because of it. Didn't recognize the guy when he was on the bench, but found out I was playing cards with the dude the day before and I think he only had like a 4-5yr sentence.. anyways, he'd loaded up the bar with 3 plates and a quarter each side, unracked it off the back and guillotined himself. Brutal way to go.
Needless to say, we lost the "on-unit" exercise rooms and they got turned into "study rooms" by the next week.
Brutal if true
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When benching without a spot, bench without collars. If the weight slips, tip the bar. It makes a hell of a racket on the basement floor. Anyone in the house is going to hear it and come running. I know, I did this once a very long time ago and look, I'm still here. These days, I wouldn't think of benching without the aid of a machine. My hands are my weakest point and my grip is all but nonexistent, thanks to osteoarthritis.
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When benching without a spot, bench without collars. If the weight slips, tip the bar. It makes a hell of a racket on the basement floor. Anyone in the house is going to hear it and come running. I know, I did this once a very long time ago and look, I'm still here. These days, I wouldn't think of benching without the aid of a machine. My hands are my weakest point and my grip is all but nonexistent, thanks to osteoarthritis.
Good advices.
No need to bench with collars when training in most cases.
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A safety rack will give a false sense of confidence, they can be useless at times. A power rack/cage, with the correct setting of pins would be suggested if benching alone.
When benching good spotter's can be of great value . Average spotters can be marginal at best. Bad spotters, a strong potential of a crippling accident. Having two spotter's, per side, might be suggested. Three spotter's in cases where extreme weigh is used. If you casually ask some guy walking by for a spot, than he or you may have a problem real soon.
Avoid collar's if you must bench alone. Can develop balance and insure that one arm is not doing most of the work. Most important, tilting the bar will allow plates to slide off if your pinned under that bar.
Suggest using chalk (bag, block, powder...or some other stick'em) if the bar is resting on the heel of the hands. For some, a thumbless/false/neutral position (it's not a grip) reduces stress on the wrist and forearms when into serious benching.
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Dying from benching 180 pounds for half reps....All worth it.
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Dying from benching 180 pounds for half reps....All worth it.
Even I can bench 180 lbs. ;D
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When benching without a spot, bench without collars. If the weight slips, tip the bar. It makes a hell of a racket on the basement floor. Anyone in the house is going to hear it and come running. I know, I did this once a very long time ago and look, I'm still here. These days, I wouldn't think of benching without the aid of a machine. My hands are my weakest point and my grip is all but nonexistent, thanks to osteoarthritis.
I did that when I was younger, only I put 80 lbs on the bar (cement weights) and put any extra weights outside the collars. That way, I could "train to failure", dump the extra plates, and press 80 lbs back to the uprights.
When the neighbors downstairs complained about the noise, I simply put the couch cushions around the bench. This allowed me to dump the weights minus the noise. I NEVER USED a thumbless grip. Even as a 16-year-old, I knew better than that.
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The thumb-less grip feels better for a full ROM and a deep stretch.. .. but that does not help build the chest and screws up the shoulders. Heavy Benching in general is horrible for he shoulders anyways, and there is no evidence that it builds the chest better than inclines, declines or machines. so Incline all the way for me for my basic free weight strength builder.
Its called suicide grip for a reason. RIP. to a fellow brother in iron.
I also don't see the sense in benching anything over 405. Unless you are just a massive dude like Thor where 405 is like 225 for the regular guy.
Benches work great, if you do it, "collar-to-collar". I call them, "Leroys", based on the late great Hall of Famer, Leroy Colbert.
Of course, back in the day, the uprights were narrow; so you could actually touch the edges of the bar. See the late great Serge Nubert (another Hall of Famer) below.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/f1/5a/6cf15adb241e11d2fca7852d3414190b.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TFJjB1Yq6fI/U9qyfVvh5GI/AAAAAAAAKRI/gVeytDoNdpc/s1600/sn356-1.jpg)
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The amount of dumb fuckss in this thread is hilarious!! Heavy benching is NOT bad for your shoulders, heavy benches with your shitty exercise form IS!!! Thumb less grip may feel good but so does sniffing glue for some idiots, doesn't mean it's good for you!!! You don't need a spotter if you bench in a power rack with safety bars set up.
milone79,
There was no need to insult everyone so rudely in order to get your point of view across. People will be much more receptive to your opinions if they weren't tainted with such venom.
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Poor fucker.
Never know how the Reaper is gonna get ya.
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Poor fucker.
Never know how the Reaper is gonna get ya.
Very True,
Millions & Millions have tried to beat him - Only He’s undefeated So Far.
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If you bench by yourself, setup in power-rack under pins, or ya, use d-bells.
EXACTLY!!!!