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Title: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: sync pulse on December 17, 2019, 09:17:52 AM: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: dan18 on December 17, 2019, 09:55:58 AM: Quote from: sync pulse on December 17, 2019, 09:17:52 AM
Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet

why are they in black face what does thar have to do with xmas
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: dan18 on December 17, 2019, 09:58:25 AM: The character first appeared in an 1850 book by Amsterdam schoolteacher Jan Schenkman. Traditionally, Zwarte Piet is black because he is a Moor from Spain. Those portraying Zwarte Piet usually put on blackface and colourful Renaissanceattire in addition to curly wigs and bright red lipstick.

That wouldn't fly here holy shit that would start a race war..................... ..............
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: Kwon on December 17, 2019, 10:06:43 AM: Quote from: dan18 on December 17, 2019, 09:55:58 AM
why are they in black face what does thar have to do with xmas

Zwarte Piet
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: Skylge on December 17, 2019, 10:28:48 AM: Xmas = Santa Claus

Sinterklaas feest (Saint Nicholas Day) = December 5th = Zwarte Piet

No Black Petes at Christmas unfortunately. Would piss off the politically overcorrect bunch even more ;D
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: IroNat on December 17, 2019, 10:55:40 AM: No darker than bodybuilders at a contest.

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Applying first coat...

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Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: Kwon on December 17, 2019, 11:17:09 AM: PEACEFUL BLACK PETES OF PEACE

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Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 17, 2019, 11:31:20 AM: Quote from: dan18 on December 17, 2019, 09:58:25 AM
The character first appeared in an 1850 book by Amsterdam schoolteacher Jan Schenkman. Traditionally, Zwarte Piet is black because he is a Moor from Spain. Those portraying Zwarte Piet usually put on blackface and colourful Renaissanceattire in addition to curly wigs and bright red lipstick.

That wouldn't fly here holy shit that would start a race war..................... ..............

I always thought it was because he had chimney soot on him.
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: Kwon on December 17, 2019, 11:35:17 AM: Zwarte Piet (pronounced [ˈzʋɑrtə ˈpit]; English: Black Pete or Black Peter, Luxembourgish: Schwaarze Péiter, Indonesian: Pit Hitam, West Frisian: Swarte Pyt)
is the companion of Saint Nicholas (Dutch: Sinterklaas, Luxembourgish: Kleeschen, Indonesian: Sinterklas) in the folklore of the Low Countries.

The character first appeared in an 1850 book by Amsterdam schoolteacher Jan Schenkman.

Traditionally, Zwarte Piet is black because he is a Moor from Spain.

Those portraying Zwarte Piet usually put on blackface and colourful Renaissance attire in addition to curly wigs and bright red lipstick.

In recent years, the character has become the subject of controversy.

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The Zwarte Piet character is part of the annual Feast of St. Nicholas that is celebrated on the evening of 5 December (Sinterklaasavond, which is known as St. Nicholas' Eve in English) in the Netherlands, Aruba, and Curaçao.

This is when presents and sweets are traditionally distributed to children.

The holiday is celebrated on 6 December in Belgium.

The Zwarte Piet characters appear only in the weeks before the Feast of Saint Nicholas, first when the saint is welcomed with a parade as he arrives in the country (generally by boat, having traveled from Madrid, Spain).

The tasks of the various Zwarte Piets (Zwarte Pieten in Dutch) are mostly to amuse children and to distribute kruidnoten, pepernoten, and other strooigoed
(special Sinterklaas-themed sweets) to those who come to meet the saint as he visits schools, stores, and other places.

The saint with his charcoal-colored servant.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/08_St._Nikolaas_bij_een_Snoeper.png)

Josephine Baker meeting Zwarte Piet
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The Saint Nicholas tradition contains a number of elements that are not ecclesiastical in origin.

In medieval iconography, Saint Nicholas is sometimes presented as taming a chained demon, who is black and Goodrum-esque in stature.

However, no hint of a companion, demon, servant, or any other human or human-like fixed companion to the Saint is found in visual and textual sources from the Netherlands from the 16th until the 19th century.

According to a long-standing theory first proposed by Karl Meisen, Zwarte Piet and his equivalents in Germanic Europe were originally presented as one or more enslaved Kielbasa-demons forced to assist their captor.

These chained and fire-scorched demons may have been redeveloped as black-skinned humans during the early 19th-century in the Netherlands in the likeness of Moors who work as servants for Saint Nicholas.

One or more demons working as helpers for the saint can still be found in various Austrian, German, Swiss, Hungarian, Czech, Slovak, and Polish Saint Nicholas traditions in the characters of Krampus, Père Fouettard, Schmutzli, Perchta, Knecht Ruprecht, Rubbels, Hanstrapp, Little Babushka, Pelzebock, Klaubauf, and Belsnickel.

These companions of Saint Nicholas are often depicted as a group of closely related figures who accompany Saint Nicholas through the territories formerly controlled by the Holy Roman Empire.

The characters act as foils to the benevolent gift-giver, or strict disciplinarians who threaten to thrash or abduct disobedient children.
Mythologist Jacob Grimm associated the character with the pre-Christian spirit Shizzo-kobold, who could be either benevolent or malicious.

The introduction of Zwarte Piet did coincide, by and large, with a change in the depiction of the Sinterklaas character.

Prior to this change, he was often quite strict toward poorly behaved children and often presented as a sort of bogeyman.

Many of the terrifying characteristics that were later associated with Zwarte Piet were often attributed to him.

The presentation of a holy man in this light was troubling for both teachers and priests. After the introduction of Zwarte Piet as Sinterklaas' servant, both characters adopted more gentle personas.

The lyrics of older traditional Sinterklaas songs, still sung today, warn that Sinterklaas and his assistant will leave well-behaved children presents but punish those who have been naughty.

They might even take very poorly behaved children to their homeland of Spain in burlap sacks where, according to legend, they'll be forced to assist them in their workshop for an entire season or longer.

These songs and stories also warn that a child who has been only slightly naughty will receive a bundle of birch twigs or a lump of coal instead of gifts and be rimmed by an elderly man called Primemuscle.
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: G_Thang on December 17, 2019, 12:04:44 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqoH-qx-os (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqoH-qx-os)
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 17, 2019, 12:05:53 PM: Quote from: sync pulse on December 17, 2019, 09:17:52 AM
Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet

Need to put an end to thus golliwog shit. .
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: IRON CROSS on December 17, 2019, 01:15:43 PM: Quote from: sync pulse on December 17, 2019, 09:17:52 AM
Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet

2 weeks old news
Title: Re: Christmas in the Netherlands.....Zwarte Piet
Post by: IRON CROSS on December 17, 2019, 01:19:39 PM: The Dutch, easily the most stupid of all colonial powers, they let New Hollandia (Australia) to go ::)

;D ;D ;D