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Once again the USA is number one. I imagine the rednecks will be celebrating the ranking not understanding why it's a negative thing. ::)
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Nobody, not even the US of A, can catch up to China on the number of Coronavirus infections and deaths.
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Nobody, not eve the US of A, can catch up to China on the number of Coronavirus infections and deaths.
GetBig "experts" re-report already re-reported ........... ;D
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It's just a flu
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People actually want and need to go to the US, unlike certain other countries :). So of course we will have a large number of infected and dead. That being said, we are still far below many nations. The % below is the
morbidity mortality rate for the nations with the highest number of confirmed infections as of today -
US 3.7%
Spain 10.2%
Italy 12.8%
France 10.5%
Germany 2.2%
China 4.1%
UK 12.1%
Iran 6.2%
Turkey 2.1%
Belgium 11.3%
Switzerland 4.1%
Netherlands 10.9%
Canada 2.5%
Brazil 5.4%
Portugal 2.8%
Austria 2.4%
Russia 0.8%
South Korea 2%
Israel 0.9%
Sweden 9%
* - Also not taking into account certain nations quirky record keeping.
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Once again the USA is number one. I imagine the rednecks will be celebrating the ranking not understanding why it's a negative thing. ::)
China is on the 6th place by number of infected. USA is the 1'st with a strong lead
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People actually want and need to go to the US, unlike certain other countries :). So of course we will have a large number of infected and dead. That being said, we are still far below many nations. The % below is the morbidity rate for the nations with the highest number of confirmed infections as of today -
US 3.7%
Spain 10.2%
Italy 12.8%
France 10.5%
Germany 2.2%
China 4.1%
UK 12.1%
Iran 6.2%
Turkey 2.1%
Belgium 11.3%
Switzerland 4.1%
Netherlands 10.9%
Canada 2.5%
Brazil 5.4%
Portugal 2.8%
Austria 2.4%
Russia 0.8%
South Korea 2%
Israel 0.9%
Sweden 9%
* - Also not taking into account certain nations quirky record keeping.
US is on the 14'th place in a whole world by deaths per million
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China is on the 6th place by number of infected. USA is the 1'st with a strong lead
God you are fucking retarded, lol. You go ahead and believe Communist China’s number you twit.
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China is not being truthful.
They must have staggering numbers.
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Hell yeah! We #1!!! 'Murica baby!
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God you are fucking retarded, lol. You go ahead and believe Communist China’s number you twit.
Same method can be applied to the fake news US as they must be hugely understating the stats
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Hey what's happens to allah akbar in Lebanon,Iran,Syria,Iraq ........................ ........ ;D ;D ;D Chinaman is trashing mohammedans !!!.
Didn't Iranian regime plan to destroy America 3 months ago .................... :D
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Nobody, not eve the US of A, can catch up to China on the number of Coronavirus infections and deaths.
^this. We all know china has lied about their body count
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Well, when the "authorities" classify every death as a COVID-19 death I guess it was only a matter of time.
I wonder if there is a economic incentive to doing this...
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Same method can be applied to the fake news US as they must be hugely understating the stats
I think the west is overstating not under, you watched the shit in the news lately, though it has settled down here somewhat now (Aus).
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Hell yeah! We #1!!! 'Murica baby!
:D :D :D
Now THIS is the perfect representation of a typical American. :D
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A more honest figure is per capita deaths.
The US has about the same number of deaths as Italy, but 5 times it's population.
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This pandemic is a hoax.
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how has it not decimated places like india and I dunno, favelas in brazil? Not being a smartarse, would have thought places like that where there is no chance of keeping people regulated and shut in would be where it blew up the second 1 or 2 people there got infected.
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https://truepundit.com/birx-says-government-is-classifying-all-deaths-of-patients-with-coronavirus-as-covid-19-deaths-regardless-of-cause/
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how has it not decimated places like india and I dunno, favelas in brazil? Not being a smartarse, would have thought places like that where there is no chance of keeping people regulated and shut in would be where it blew up the second 1 or 2 people there got infected.
Cause they're not testing for shit and they don't have an hysterical media fuelling fear...
They probably wouldn't even notice the increased death rate. think about it, 1 billion people 10000-2000 dead over a few months..... That's nothing.
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A more honest figure is per capita deaths.
The US has about the same number of deaths as Italy, but 5 times it's population.
I have the US raw deaths data as collected from the CDC. I also have the Italian raw data which i posted.
The truth is the US isn't even remotely close to what has unfolded in Italy.
Whereas Italy IS as bad as they are saying. The media are just wanting a headline, a higher nunber wins.
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I have the US raw deaths data as collected from the CDC. I also have the Italian raw data which i posted.
The truth is the US isn't even remotely close to what has unfolded in Italy.
Whereas Italy IS as bad as they are saying. The media are just wanting a headline, a higher nunber wins.
The media isn't really helping these days.
I saw an article about how NYC Covid-19 death toll already outnumbers 9/11 death toll. Yeah, great comparison there. ::)
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I have the US raw deaths data as collected from the CDC. I also have the Italian raw data which i posted.
The truth is the US isn't even remotely close to what has unfolded in Italy.
Whereas Italy IS as bad as they are saying. The media are just wanting a headline, a higher nunber wins.
Still no real numbers of Chinese workers in Northern Italy , some report to 40 000 others over 100 000 !.
In Sicily & Calabria, local Cosa Nostra knows exactly how many Nigerians collect pomodore & sell drugs in Napoli or Palermo !.
If La Mafia operated in Northern Italy , this shit would not happen !.
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lol @ Ironcross who doubted the US world get a single case. As I told u all in January, NY is now the epicentre of USA virus plague.
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lol @ Ironcross who doubted the US world get a single case. As I told u all in January, NY is now the epicentre of USA virus plague.
A U gonna replace uncle Theodore, WIGGZLY ;D ;D ;D
(now U A really shitting)
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I saw an article about how NYC Covid-19 death toll already outnumbers 9/11 death toll. Yeah, great comparison there. ::)
Yeah they're running with that in the media here.... Could there be anymore stupid a comparison? Fuckwits...
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US becomes first country to report 2,000+ Covid-19 deaths in SINGLE DAY, breaking global record
The United States has counted more than 2,000 Covid-19 fatalities in the space of 24 hours, smashing all previous daily death tolls worldwide as the US outbreak shows little sign of abating, according to Johns Hopkins University.
Some 2,108 new deaths were reported in the US on Friday, data gathered by Johns Hopkins shows, putting the US total at over 18,600, just shy of Italy’s, the overall leader in fatalities globally. America is a first World country for Corporations, Congress, Senate, Elite and those with large stock portfolios. For the rest or average declining middle class America is a third World country.
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Any country that is able to produce a movie of this caliber is worthy of the World Leader title!
DEAD HEAT WITH TREAT
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US becomes first country to report 2,000+ Covid-19 deaths in SINGLE DAY, breaking global record
The United States has counted more than 2,000 Covid-19 fatalities in the space of 24 hours, smashing all previous daily death tolls worldwide as the US outbreak shows little sign of abating, according to Johns Hopkins University.
Some 2,108 new deaths were reported in the US on Friday, data gathered by Johns Hopkins shows, putting the US total at over 18,600, just shy of Italy’s, the overall leader in fatalities globally. America is a first World country for Corporations, Congress, Senate, Elite and those with large stock portfolios. For the rest or average declining middle class America is a third World country.
You need to put it into context. US deaths 2000+ for a 330million population. Belgium had 500 deaths with a population of 11milion.
For the US to reach Belgiums death rate it need 15000 daily deaths. Hope that helps.
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People actually want and need to go to the US, unlike certain other countries :). So of course we will have a large number of infected and dead. That being said, we are still far below many nations. The % below is the morbidity mortality rate for the nations with the highest number of confirmed infections as of today -
US 3.7%
Spain 10.2%
Italy 12.8%
France 10.5%
Germany 2.2%
China 4.1%
UK 12.1%
Iran 6.2%
Turkey 2.1%
Belgium 11.3%
Switzerland 4.1%
Netherlands 10.9%
Canada 2.5%
Brazil 5.4%
Portugal 2.8%
Austria 2.4%
Russia 0.8%
South Korea 2%
Israel 0.9%
Sweden 9%
* - Also not taking into account certain nations quirky record keeping.
Exactly. Great post.
There is also a ridiculous amount of statistical manipulation transpiring with this COVID-19 shit.
For example, if a bender dies of AIDS, and happens to have gotten infected with COVID-19 the day before he died, that is being recorded as a COVID-19 death, in certain cases. Absolutely absurd reasoning, from anyone who has a mind for mathematics or logic.
Also, as per usual, the USA is so above average in this bad category, due to its high Negro population, which brings up the statistics massively. What's more absurd is that asshole big "L" Liberal Canadians suck each other's dicks, and brag about how much better we are than the USA, and how we're "not racist", and how we "embrace racial diversity", WHEN IT'S FUCKING RACIAL DIVERSITY CAUSING THE PATHETIC STATS IN THE USA.
LOL!!!!
Fuck, liberalism is a mental disorder.
Not to mention, the Canadians who suck each other's dicks, then get HPV-related oral cancer in the process while also being infected with COVID-19, and then die, and then get recorded as a COVID-10 death. LOL!!!
Fucking dumb idiot liberals.
Fuck, I hate leftists. LOL. Not in every sense, but in the ways outlined above - I just can't stand the sorts of people who think this way. They are such complete morons.
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how has it not decimated places like india and I dunno, favelas in brazil? Not being a smartarse, would have thought places like that where there is no chance of keeping people regulated and shut in would be where it blew up the second 1 or 2 people there got infected.
The rich countries with lots of travellers got hit hard first.The poor countries are about 4-6 weeks behind.
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It’s all horseshit. Even if you have a COVID symptom and die, COVID gets another tally on their list. It’s the media once again manipulating figures to push their agenda. Death rates shouldn’t even be fucking considering remotely accurate when there isn’t been nearly enough testing done, it is bullshit data skewed to again push MSM’s agenda. Hmmm, I wonder if flu/pneumonia deaths are down this year 🧐. This is a fucking joke that will be over as fast as it started. Shame on you fear mongering members for pushing this bullshit down people’s throats. Can’t believe I actually believed it but thankfully the wool is no longer over my eyes.
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These are fake numbers. They are saying ppl that die of heart attacks ect are being added to these numbers. If the patient wasn't tested the dr Is suppose to make a reasonable assumption if the person died from corona
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Finally
The US has become the country with most coronavirus fatalities in the world after the American death toll exceeded 19,600 people and surpassed Italy's numbers, according to calculations by Reuters.
Italy, which remained atop the grim rankings for weeks, has so far registered 19,468 deaths, with third-placed Spain reporting 16,353 people killed by the virus.
The US has taken the lead after recording around 2,000 deaths from Covid-19 on each of the last four days.
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Chinese cremation furnaces are now burning 24 hours a day.
Trucks are driving around filled with urns of body ashes.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-11/u-s-now-has-the-world-s-deadliest-coronavirus-outbreak?srnd=premium-europe
American deaths from a the coronavirus passed Italy’s, affirming a the U.S.’s spot as the a epicenter of the global pandemic.
Deaths from the a virus reached at least 19,563 in the U.S. after New York reported 783 new fatalities, according to data compiled by Bloomberg News and Johns Hopkins University.
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USA number 1
It's just flu remember
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-11/u-s-now-has-the-world-s-deadliest-coronavirus-outbreak?srnd=premium-europe
American deaths from a the coronavirus passed Italy’s, affirming a the U.S.’s spot as the a epicenter of the global pandemic.
Deaths from the a virus reached at least 19,563 in the U.S. after New York reported 783 new fatalities, according to data compiled by Bloomberg News and Johns Hopkins University.
Italy - Population 60,000,000 / Deaths 19,468
US - Population 331,000,000 / Deaths 19,602
No shit we have more deaths, we have 5.5 x the population of Italy.
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Italy - Population 60,000,000 / Deaths 19,468
US - Population 331,000,000 / Deaths 19,602
No shit we have more deaths, we have 5.5 x the population of Italy.
Russia - Population 146,000,000 / Deaths 106
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It's already 20,137 deaths in USA
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Russia - Population 146,000,000 / Deaths 106
How densely populated is Russia compared to the US? Not sure how their local governments work over there but I’m sure they’re not as incompetent as ours in the most infected states with the highest death toll
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How densely populated is Russia compared to the US? Not sure how their local governments work over there but I’m sure they’re not as incompetent as ours in the most infected states with the highest death toll
States with large concentrations of Negroes have a lot of deaths, but with them having massive house parties and stuff like that, it shouldn't be shocking. TNB.
Also, some of the statistical manipulation doesn't sit well with me; if a turd smuggler dies of AIDS and happens to have COVID-19, he will be marked down as a COVID-19 death, in some nations/jurisdictions. I'm sorry, but that's horseshit.
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Obesity
Hypertension
Diabetes
Expensive healthcare
Result : many deaths among poor people (black)
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Yes New York are known for their almost entire black population.
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20000 deaths how many are black or poor ?
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Obesity
Hypertension
Diabetes
Expensive healthcare
Result : many deaths among poor people (black)
I'd add smoking/drugs, low paid public facing jobs, vitamin d deficiency due to darker skin to that list too.
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you're right ;)
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20000 deaths how many are black or poor ?
All of them.
Same as China.
These blacks are everywhere.
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vitamin d deficiency due to darker skin to that list too.
:o :o :o
So, why "superior" BLACK genetics don't protect them ;D ;D ;D
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Trump and his dumb voters must be sick of winning all the time
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He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
The chaotic culture of the Trump White House contributed to the crisis. A lack of planning and a failure to execute,
combined with the president’s focus on the news cycle and his preference for following his gut rather than the data cost time, and perhaps lives.
WASHINGTON — “Any way you cut it, this is going to be bad,” a senior medical adviser at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Dr. Carter Mecher, wrote on the night of Jan. 28, in an email to a group of public health experts scattered around the government and universities. “The projected size of the outbreak already seems hard to believe.”
A week after the first coronavirus case had been identified in the United States, and six long weeks before President Trump finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing — a pandemic that is now forecast to take tens of thousands of American lives — Dr. Mecher was urging the upper ranks of the nation’s public health bureaucracy to wake up and prepare for the possibility of far more drastic action.
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“You guys made fun of me screaming to close the schools,” he wrote to the group, which called itself “Red Dawn,” an inside joke based on the 1984 movie about a band of Americans trying to save the country after a foreign invasion. “Now I’m screaming, close the colleges and universities.”
a screen shot of a video game: “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.© Erin Schaff/The New York Times “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.
His was hardly a lone voice. Throughout January, as Mr. Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues, an array of figures inside his government — from top White House advisers to experts deep in the cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified the threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.
The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead on controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials. It was a problem, he said, that had come out of nowhere and could not have been foreseen.
a man wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.© T.J. Kirkpatrick for The New York Times Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.
Even after Mr. Trump took his first concrete action at the end of January — limiting travel from China — public health often had to compete with economic and political considerations in internal debates, slowing the path toward belated decisions to seek more money from Congress, obtain necessary supplies, address shortfalls in testing and ultimately move to keep much of the nation at home.
Unfolding as it did in the wake of his impeachment by the House and in the midst of his Senate trial, Mr. Trump’s response was colored by his suspicion of and disdain for what he viewed as the “Deep State” — the very people in his government whose expertise and long experience might have guided him more quickly toward steps that would slow the virus, and likely save lives.
Decision-making was also complicated by a long-running dispute inside the administration over how to deal with China. The virus at first took a back seat to a desire not to upset Beijing during trade talks, but later the impulse to score points against Beijing left the world’s two leading powers further divided as they confronted one of the first truly global threats of the 21st century.
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The shortcomings of Mr. Trump’s performance have played out with remarkable transparency as part of his daily effort to dominate television screens and the national conversation.
But dozens of interviews with current and former officials and a review of emails and other records revealed many previously unreported details and a fuller picture of the roots and extent of his halting response as the deadly virus spread:
a park bench next to a fence: The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.© Andrew Seng for The New York Times The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.
■ The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.
■ Despite Mr. Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told at the time about a Jan. 29 memo produced by his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.
■ The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.
■ Mr. Azar publicly announced in February that the government was establishing a “surveillance” system in five American cities to measure the spread of the virus and enable experts to project the next hot spots. It was delayed for weeks. The slow start of that plan, on top of the well-documented failures to develop the nation’s testing capacity, left administration officials with almost no insight into how rapidly the virus was spreading. “We were flying the plane with no instruments,” one official said.
C. Douglas Mcmillon, Mike Pence are posing for a picture: Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.
■ By the third week in February, the administration’s top public health experts concluded they should recommend to Mr. Trump a new approach that would include warning the American people of the risks and urging steps like social distancing and staying home from work. But the White House focused instead on messaging and crucial additional weeks went by before their views were reluctantly accepted by the president — time when the virus spread largely unimpeded.
a person wearing a suit and tie: Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.© Andrew Harnik/Associated Press Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.
When Mr. Trump finally agreed in mid-March to recommend social distancing across the country, effectively bringing much of the economy to a halt, he seemed shellshocked and deflated to some of his closest associates. One described him as “subdued” and “baffled” by how the crisis had played out. An economy that he had wagered his re-election on was suddenly in shambles.
a person standing in a room: An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.© Fabio Bucciarelli for The New York Times An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.
He only regained his swagger, the associate said, from conducting his daily White House briefings, at which he often seeks to rewrite the history of the past several months. He declared at one point that he “felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic,” and insisted at another that he had to be a “cheerleader for the country,” as if that explained why he failed to prepare the public for what was coming.
Mr. Trump’s allies and some administration officials say the criticism has been unfair. The Chinese government misled other governments, they say. And they insist that the president was either not getting proper information, or the people around him weren’t conveying the urgency of the threat. In some cases, they argue, the specific officials he was hearing from had been discredited in his eyes, but once the right information got to him through other channels, he made the right calls.
Anthony S. Fauci wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.© Pete Marovich for The New York Times Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.
“While the media and Democrats refused to seriously acknowledge this virus in January and February, President Trump took bold action to protect Americans and unleash the full power of the federal government to curb the spread of the virus, expand testing capacities and expedite vaccine development even when we had no true idea the level of transmission or asymptomatic spread,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman.
a bunch of items that are on a table: A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.© Chinatopix, via Associated Press A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.
There were key turning points along the way, opportunities for Mr. Trump to get ahead of the virus rather than just chase it. There were internal debates that presented him with stark choices, and moments when he could have chosen to ask deeper questions and learn more. How he handled them may shape his re-election campaign. They will certainly shape his legacy.
The Containment Illusion
By the last week of February, it was clear to the administration’s public health team that schools and businesses in hot spots would have to close. But in the turbulence of the Trump White House, it took three more weeks to persuade the president that failure to act quickly to control the spread of the virus would have dire consequences.
a man wearing a suit and tie talking on a cell phone: Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.© Doug Mills/The New York Times Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.
When Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Health and Human Services Department, convened the White House coronavirus task force on Feb. 21, his agenda was urgent. There were deep cracks in the administration’s strategy for keeping the virus out of the United States. They were going to have to lock down the country to prevent it from spreading. The question was: When?
a group of people looking at a man in a suit and tie: Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.© Ashley Gilbertson for The New York Times Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.
There had already been an alarming spike in new cases around the world and the virus was spreading across the Middle East. It was becoming apparent that the administration had botched the rollout of testing to track the virus at home, and a smaller-scale surveillance program intended to piggyback on a federal flu tracking system had also been stillborn.
In Washington, the president was not worried, predicting that by April, “when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.” His White House had yet to ask Congress for additional funding to prepare for the potential cost of wide-scale infection across the country, and health care providers were growing increasingly nervous about the availability of masks, ventilators and other equipment.
What Mr. Trump decided to do next could dramatically shape the course of the pandemic — and how many people would get sick and die.
With that in mind, the task force had gathered for a tabletop exercise — a real-time version of a full-scale war gaming of a flu pandemic the administration had run the previous year. That earlier exercise, also conducted by Mr. Kadlec and called “Crimson Contagion,” predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths following a hypothetical outbreak that started in China.
a person wearing a mask: A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.© Kevin Frayer/Getty Images A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.
Facing the likelihood of a real pandemic, the group needed to decide when to abandon “containment” — the effort to keep the virus outside the U.S. and to isolate anyone who gets infected — and embrace “mitigation” to thwart the spread of the virus inside the country until a vaccine becomes available.
Among the questions on the agenda, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was when the department’s secretary, Mr. Azar, should recommend that Mr. Trump take textbook mitigation measures “such as school dismissals and cancellations of mass gatherings,” which had been identified as the next appropriate step in a Bush-era pandemic plan.
a man standing next to a woman: Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.
The exercise was sobering. The group — including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health; Dr. Robert R. Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Mr. Azar, who at that stage was leading the White House Task Force — concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation’s economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans.
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fat stupid and ugly - a GOP dream
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USA USA USA...we're number 1, we're number 1!
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Once again the USA is number one. I imagine the rednecks will be celebrating the ranking not understanding why it's a negative thing. ::)
If the rednecks are celebrating, it's because the YANKEES (in NY and NJ) make up OVER HALF of the coronavirus deaths.
State of NY - Population: 20 million people - over 8600 dead
State of FL - Population: 21 million people - over 430 dead
The only red state with over 1000 deaths (so far) is Michigan.
Ironically enough, the liberals' new man-crush is the governor of the state with (far and away) the most deaths in the country...who JUST OVER A MONTH AGO told us to excuse his "arrogance", that his state had the best health care system in the world. So, he and his fellow New Yorkers had nothing to fear.
Now, he's begging the feds (and the rednecks' states) for masks, ventilators, and more hospital beds.
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Trump and his dumb voters must be sick of winning all the time
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He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
The chaotic culture of the Trump White House contributed to the crisis. A lack of planning and a failure to execute,
combined with the president’s focus on the news cycle and his preference for following his gut rather than the data cost time, and perhaps lives.
WASHINGTON — “Any way you cut it, this is going to be bad,” a senior medical adviser at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Dr. Carter Mecher, wrote on the night of Jan. 28, in an email to a group of public health experts scattered around the government and universities. “The projected size of the outbreak already seems hard to believe.”
A week after the first coronavirus case had been identified in the United States, and six long weeks before President Trump finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing — a pandemic that is now forecast to take tens of thousands of American lives — Dr. Mecher was urging the upper ranks of the nation’s public health bureaucracy to wake up and prepare for the possibility of far more drastic action.
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“You guys made fun of me screaming to close the schools,” he wrote to the group, which called itself “Red Dawn,” an inside joke based on the 1984 movie about a band of Americans trying to save the country after a foreign invasion. “Now I’m screaming, close the colleges and universities.”
a screen shot of a video game: “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.© Erin Schaff/The New York Times “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.
His was hardly a lone voice. Throughout January, as Mr. Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues, an array of figures inside his government — from top White House advisers to experts deep in the cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified the threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.
The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead on controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials. It was a problem, he said, that had come out of nowhere and could not have been foreseen.
a man wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.© T.J. Kirkpatrick for The New York Times Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.
Even after Mr. Trump took his first concrete action at the end of January — limiting travel from China — public health often had to compete with economic and political considerations in internal debates, slowing the path toward belated decisions to seek more money from Congress, obtain necessary supplies, address shortfalls in testing and ultimately move to keep much of the nation at home.
Unfolding as it did in the wake of his impeachment by the House and in the midst of his Senate trial, Mr. Trump’s response was colored by his suspicion of and disdain for what he viewed as the “Deep State” — the very people in his government whose expertise and long experience might have guided him more quickly toward steps that would slow the virus, and likely save lives.
Decision-making was also complicated by a long-running dispute inside the administration over how to deal with China. The virus at first took a back seat to a desire not to upset Beijing during trade talks, but later the impulse to score points against Beijing left the world’s two leading powers further divided as they confronted one of the first truly global threats of the 21st century.
News to stay informed. Advice to stay safe.
Click here for complete coronavirus coverage from Microsoft News
The shortcomings of Mr. Trump’s performance have played out with remarkable transparency as part of his daily effort to dominate television screens and the national conversation.
But dozens of interviews with current and former officials and a review of emails and other records revealed many previously unreported details and a fuller picture of the roots and extent of his halting response as the deadly virus spread:
a park bench next to a fence: The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.© Andrew Seng for The New York Times The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.
■ The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.
■ Despite Mr. Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told at the time about a Jan. 29 memo produced by his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.
■ The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.
■ Mr. Azar publicly announced in February that the government was establishing a “surveillance” system in five American cities to measure the spread of the virus and enable experts to project the next hot spots. It was delayed for weeks. The slow start of that plan, on top of the well-documented failures to develop the nation’s testing capacity, left administration officials with almost no insight into how rapidly the virus was spreading. “We were flying the plane with no instruments,” one official said.
C. Douglas Mcmillon, Mike Pence are posing for a picture: Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.
■ By the third week in February, the administration’s top public health experts concluded they should recommend to Mr. Trump a new approach that would include warning the American people of the risks and urging steps like social distancing and staying home from work. But the White House focused instead on messaging and crucial additional weeks went by before their views were reluctantly accepted by the president — time when the virus spread largely unimpeded.
a person wearing a suit and tie: Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.© Andrew Harnik/Associated Press Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.
When Mr. Trump finally agreed in mid-March to recommend social distancing across the country, effectively bringing much of the economy to a halt, he seemed shellshocked and deflated to some of his closest associates. One described him as “subdued” and “baffled” by how the crisis had played out. An economy that he had wagered his re-election on was suddenly in shambles.
a person standing in a room: An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.© Fabio Bucciarelli for The New York Times An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.
He only regained his swagger, the associate said, from conducting his daily White House briefings, at which he often seeks to rewrite the history of the past several months. He declared at one point that he “felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic,” and insisted at another that he had to be a “cheerleader for the country,” as if that explained why he failed to prepare the public for what was coming.
Mr. Trump’s allies and some administration officials say the criticism has been unfair. The Chinese government misled other governments, they say. And they insist that the president was either not getting proper information, or the people around him weren’t conveying the urgency of the threat. In some cases, they argue, the specific officials he was hearing from had been discredited in his eyes, but once the right information got to him through other channels, he made the right calls.
Anthony S. Fauci wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.© Pete Marovich for The New York Times Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.
“While the media and Democrats refused to seriously acknowledge this virus in January and February, President Trump took bold action to protect Americans and unleash the full power of the federal government to curb the spread of the virus, expand testing capacities and expedite vaccine development even when we had no true idea the level of transmission or asymptomatic spread,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman.
a bunch of items that are on a table: A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.© Chinatopix, via Associated Press A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.
There were key turning points along the way, opportunities for Mr. Trump to get ahead of the virus rather than just chase it. There were internal debates that presented him with stark choices, and moments when he could have chosen to ask deeper questions and learn more. How he handled them may shape his re-election campaign. They will certainly shape his legacy.
The Containment Illusion
By the last week of February, it was clear to the administration’s public health team that schools and businesses in hot spots would have to close. But in the turbulence of the Trump White House, it took three more weeks to persuade the president that failure to act quickly to control the spread of the virus would have dire consequences.
a man wearing a suit and tie talking on a cell phone: Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.© Doug Mills/The New York Times Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.
When Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Health and Human Services Department, convened the White House coronavirus task force on Feb. 21, his agenda was urgent. There were deep cracks in the administration’s strategy for keeping the virus out of the United States. They were going to have to lock down the country to prevent it from spreading. The question was: When?
a group of people looking at a man in a suit and tie: Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.© Ashley Gilbertson for The New York Times Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.
There had already been an alarming spike in new cases around the world and the virus was spreading across the Middle East. It was becoming apparent that the administration had botched the rollout of testing to track the virus at home, and a smaller-scale surveillance program intended to piggyback on a federal flu tracking system had also been stillborn.
In Washington, the president was not worried, predicting that by April, “when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.” His White House had yet to ask Congress for additional funding to prepare for the potential cost of wide-scale infection across the country, and health care providers were growing increasingly nervous about the availability of masks, ventilators and other equipment.
What Mr. Trump decided to do next could dramatically shape the course of the pandemic — and how many people would get sick and die.
With that in mind, the task force had gathered for a tabletop exercise — a real-time version of a full-scale war gaming of a flu pandemic the administration had run the previous year. That earlier exercise, also conducted by Mr. Kadlec and called “Crimson Contagion,” predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths following a hypothetical outbreak that started in China.
a person wearing a mask: A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.© Kevin Frayer/Getty Images A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.
Facing the likelihood of a real pandemic, the group needed to decide when to abandon “containment” — the effort to keep the virus outside the U.S. and to isolate anyone who gets infected — and embrace “mitigation” to thwart the spread of the virus inside the country until a vaccine becomes available.
Among the questions on the agenda, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was when the department’s secretary, Mr. Azar, should recommend that Mr. Trump take textbook mitigation measures “such as school dismissals and cancellations of mass gatherings,” which had been identified as the next appropriate step in a Bush-era pandemic plan.
a man standing next to a woman: Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.
The exercise was sobering. The group — including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health; Dr. Robert R. Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Mr. Azar, who at that stage was leading the White House Task Force — concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation’s economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans.
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fat stupid and ugly - a GOP dream
:'(
Yawn. Dry your eyes Dorothy, Mr. President Trump is a human and humans make mistakes.
Let’s see how you do as President.
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Trump and his dumb voters must be sick of winning all the time
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He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
The chaotic culture of the Trump White House contributed to the crisis. A lack of planning and a failure to execute,
combined with the president’s focus on the news cycle and his preference for following his gut rather than the data cost time, and perhaps lives.
WASHINGTON — “Any way you cut it, this is going to be bad,” a senior medical adviser at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Dr. Carter Mecher, wrote on the night of Jan. 28, in an email to a group of public health experts scattered around the government and universities. “The projected size of the outbreak already seems hard to believe.”
A week after the first coronavirus case had been identified in the United States, and six long weeks before President Trump finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing — a pandemic that is now forecast to take tens of thousands of American lives — Dr. Mecher was urging the upper ranks of the nation’s public health bureaucracy to wake up and prepare for the possibility of far more drastic action.
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“You guys made fun of me screaming to close the schools,” he wrote to the group, which called itself “Red Dawn,” an inside joke based on the 1984 movie about a band of Americans trying to save the country after a foreign invasion. “Now I’m screaming, close the colleges and universities.”
a screen shot of a video game: “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.© Erin Schaff/The New York Times “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.
His was hardly a lone voice. Throughout January, as Mr. Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues, an array of figures inside his government — from top White House advisers to experts deep in the cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified the threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.
The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead on controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials. It was a problem, he said, that had come out of nowhere and could not have been foreseen.
a man wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.© T.J. Kirkpatrick for The New York Times Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.
Even after Mr. Trump took his first concrete action at the end of January — limiting travel from China — public health often had to compete with economic and political considerations in internal debates, slowing the path toward belated decisions to seek more money from Congress, obtain necessary supplies, address shortfalls in testing and ultimately move to keep much of the nation at home.
Unfolding as it did in the wake of his impeachment by the House and in the midst of his Senate trial, Mr. Trump’s response was colored by his suspicion of and disdain for what he viewed as the “Deep State” — the very people in his government whose expertise and long experience might have guided him more quickly toward steps that would slow the virus, and likely save lives.
Decision-making was also complicated by a long-running dispute inside the administration over how to deal with China. The virus at first took a back seat to a desire not to upset Beijing during trade talks, but later the impulse to score points against Beijing left the world’s two leading powers further divided as they confronted one of the first truly global threats of the 21st century.
News to stay informed. Advice to stay safe.
Click here for complete coronavirus coverage from Microsoft News
The shortcomings of Mr. Trump’s performance have played out with remarkable transparency as part of his daily effort to dominate television screens and the national conversation.
But dozens of interviews with current and former officials and a review of emails and other records revealed many previously unreported details and a fuller picture of the roots and extent of his halting response as the deadly virus spread:
a park bench next to a fence: The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.© Andrew Seng for The New York Times The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.
■ The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.
■ Despite Mr. Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told at the time about a Jan. 29 memo produced by his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.
■ The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.
■ Mr. Azar publicly announced in February that the government was establishing a “surveillance” system in five American cities to measure the spread of the virus and enable experts to project the next hot spots. It was delayed for weeks. The slow start of that plan, on top of the well-documented failures to develop the nation’s testing capacity, left administration officials with almost no insight into how rapidly the virus was spreading. “We were flying the plane with no instruments,” one official said.
C. Douglas Mcmillon, Mike Pence are posing for a picture: Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.
■ By the third week in February, the administration’s top public health experts concluded they should recommend to Mr. Trump a new approach that would include warning the American people of the risks and urging steps like social distancing and staying home from work. But the White House focused instead on messaging and crucial additional weeks went by before their views were reluctantly accepted by the president — time when the virus spread largely unimpeded.
a person wearing a suit and tie: Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.© Andrew Harnik/Associated Press Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.
When Mr. Trump finally agreed in mid-March to recommend social distancing across the country, effectively bringing much of the economy to a halt, he seemed shellshocked and deflated to some of his closest associates. One described him as “subdued” and “baffled” by how the crisis had played out. An economy that he had wagered his re-election on was suddenly in shambles.
a person standing in a room: An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.© Fabio Bucciarelli for The New York Times An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.
He only regained his swagger, the associate said, from conducting his daily White House briefings, at which he often seeks to rewrite the history of the past several months. He declared at one point that he “felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic,” and insisted at another that he had to be a “cheerleader for the country,” as if that explained why he failed to prepare the public for what was coming.
Mr. Trump’s allies and some administration officials say the criticism has been unfair. The Chinese government misled other governments, they say. And they insist that the president was either not getting proper information, or the people around him weren’t conveying the urgency of the threat. In some cases, they argue, the specific officials he was hearing from had been discredited in his eyes, but once the right information got to him through other channels, he made the right calls.
Anthony S. Fauci wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.© Pete Marovich for The New York Times Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.
“While the media and Democrats refused to seriously acknowledge this virus in January and February, President Trump took bold action to protect Americans and unleash the full power of the federal government to curb the spread of the virus, expand testing capacities and expedite vaccine development even when we had no true idea the level of transmission or asymptomatic spread,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman.
a bunch of items that are on a table: A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.© Chinatopix, via Associated Press A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.
There were key turning points along the way, opportunities for Mr. Trump to get ahead of the virus rather than just chase it. There were internal debates that presented him with stark choices, and moments when he could have chosen to ask deeper questions and learn more. How he handled them may shape his re-election campaign. They will certainly shape his legacy.
The Containment Illusion
By the last week of February, it was clear to the administration’s public health team that schools and businesses in hot spots would have to close. But in the turbulence of the Trump White House, it took three more weeks to persuade the president that failure to act quickly to control the spread of the virus would have dire consequences.
a man wearing a suit and tie talking on a cell phone: Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.© Doug Mills/The New York Times Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.
When Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Health and Human Services Department, convened the White House coronavirus task force on Feb. 21, his agenda was urgent. There were deep cracks in the administration’s strategy for keeping the virus out of the United States. They were going to have to lock down the country to prevent it from spreading. The question was: When?
a group of people looking at a man in a suit and tie: Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.© Ashley Gilbertson for The New York Times Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.
There had already been an alarming spike in new cases around the world and the virus was spreading across the Middle East. It was becoming apparent that the administration had botched the rollout of testing to track the virus at home, and a smaller-scale surveillance program intended to piggyback on a federal flu tracking system had also been stillborn.
In Washington, the president was not worried, predicting that by April, “when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.” His White House had yet to ask Congress for additional funding to prepare for the potential cost of wide-scale infection across the country, and health care providers were growing increasingly nervous about the availability of masks, ventilators and other equipment.
What Mr. Trump decided to do next could dramatically shape the course of the pandemic — and how many people would get sick and die.
With that in mind, the task force had gathered for a tabletop exercise — a real-time version of a full-scale war gaming of a flu pandemic the administration had run the previous year. That earlier exercise, also conducted by Mr. Kadlec and called “Crimson Contagion,” predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths following a hypothetical outbreak that started in China.
a person wearing a mask: A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.© Kevin Frayer/Getty Images A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.
Facing the likelihood of a real pandemic, the group needed to decide when to abandon “containment” — the effort to keep the virus outside the U.S. and to isolate anyone who gets infected — and embrace “mitigation” to thwart the spread of the virus inside the country until a vaccine becomes available.
Among the questions on the agenda, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was when the department’s secretary, Mr. Azar, should recommend that Mr. Trump take textbook mitigation measures “such as school dismissals and cancellations of mass gatherings,” which had been identified as the next appropriate step in a Bush-era pandemic plan.
a man standing next to a woman: Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.
The exercise was sobering. The group — including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health; Dr. Robert R. Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Mr. Azar, who at that stage was leading the White House Task Force — concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation’s economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans.
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fat stupid and ugly - a GOP dream
And your party's nominee is WHO again?
BTW, care to explain why nearly half of the deaths from from NY, whose governor was bragging just a month ago that his state had the best healthcare system in the world?
Not to mention, the mayor of that state's biggest city (where most of the croaking is happening) was encouraging everyone to go out and have a ball......JUST ONE MONTH AGO!!!
Did you also forget all your liberal buddies in the media who downplayed the danger of this virus as well?
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/flashback-media-downplayed-coronavirus-called-it-less-serious-than-flu/
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/24/hypocritical-media-downplays-wuhan-virus-for-weeks-then-critiques-fox-news-for-shifting-rhetoric/
March 4 - CNN: Anderson Cooper says that coronavirus is less dangerous than the regular flu.
March 8 - CNN: Chris Cillizza writes article, claiming that the coronavirus is "Trump's Katrina".
How do you flip like that in a mere FOUR DAYS?
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Meanwhile China still cremating bodies 24 hours a day.
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US becomes first country to report 2,000+ Covid-19 deaths in SINGLE DAY, breaking global record
The United States has counted more than 2,000 Covid-19 fatalities in the space of 24 hours, smashing all previous daily death tolls worldwide as the US outbreak shows little sign of abating, according to Johns Hopkins University.
Some 2,108 new deaths were reported in the US on Friday, data gathered by Johns Hopkins shows, putting the US total at over 18,600, just shy of Italy’s, the overall leader in fatalities globally. America is a first World country for Corporations, Congress, Senate, Elite and those with large stock portfolios. For the rest or average declining middle class America is a third World country.
Dr's don't even have to test for COVID-19 after the patient passes....but they can still "count" it as a COVID-19 death. The deaths are inflated, way, way inflated.
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Again, nearly HALF of all the USA's coronavirus deaths are in the state of NY. And nearly THREE-QUARTERS of those are from NYC.
And, the media is slobbering all over Cuomo (some even want him to replace Biden) and bashing Trump.
Can you be that stupid, at least without a license? Or does TDS just rot the brain cells to nothing?
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Chinese cremation furnaces are now burning 24 hours a day.
Trucks are driving around filled with urns of body ashes.
they are burning them while they are still alive, the chinese are evil
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they are burning them while they are still alive, the chinese are evil
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Is is true? I am in shock if so.
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Trump and his dumb voters must be sick of winning all the time
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He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
The chaotic culture of the Trump White House contributed to the crisis. A lack of planning and a failure to execute,
combined with the president’s focus on the news cycle and his preference for following his gut rather than the data cost time, and perhaps lives.
WASHINGTON — “Any way you cut it, this is going to be bad,” a senior medical adviser at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Dr. Carter Mecher, wrote on the night of Jan. 28, in an email to a group of public health experts scattered around the government and universities. “The projected size of the outbreak already seems hard to believe.”
A week after the first coronavirus case had been identified in the United States, and six long weeks before President Trump finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing — a pandemic that is now forecast to take tens of thousands of American lives — Dr. Mecher was urging the upper ranks of the nation’s public health bureaucracy to wake up and prepare for the possibility of far more drastic action.
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“You guys made fun of me screaming to close the schools,” he wrote to the group, which called itself “Red Dawn,” an inside joke based on the 1984 movie about a band of Americans trying to save the country after a foreign invasion. “Now I’m screaming, close the colleges and universities.”
a screen shot of a video game: “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.© Erin Schaff/The New York Times “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.
His was hardly a lone voice. Throughout January, as Mr. Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues, an array of figures inside his government — from top White House advisers to experts deep in the cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified the threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.
The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead on controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials. It was a problem, he said, that had come out of nowhere and could not have been foreseen.
a man wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.© T.J. Kirkpatrick for The New York Times Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.
Even after Mr. Trump took his first concrete action at the end of January — limiting travel from China — public health often had to compete with economic and political considerations in internal debates, slowing the path toward belated decisions to seek more money from Congress, obtain necessary supplies, address shortfalls in testing and ultimately move to keep much of the nation at home.
Unfolding as it did in the wake of his impeachment by the House and in the midst of his Senate trial, Mr. Trump’s response was colored by his suspicion of and disdain for what he viewed as the “Deep State” — the very people in his government whose expertise and long experience might have guided him more quickly toward steps that would slow the virus, and likely save lives.
Decision-making was also complicated by a long-running dispute inside the administration over how to deal with China. The virus at first took a back seat to a desire not to upset Beijing during trade talks, but later the impulse to score points against Beijing left the world’s two leading powers further divided as they confronted one of the first truly global threats of the 21st century.
News to stay informed. Advice to stay safe.
Click here for complete coronavirus coverage from Microsoft News
The shortcomings of Mr. Trump’s performance have played out with remarkable transparency as part of his daily effort to dominate television screens and the national conversation.
But dozens of interviews with current and former officials and a review of emails and other records revealed many previously unreported details and a fuller picture of the roots and extent of his halting response as the deadly virus spread:
a park bench next to a fence: The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.© Andrew Seng for The New York Times The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.
■ The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.
■ Despite Mr. Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told at the time about a Jan. 29 memo produced by his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.
■ The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.
■ Mr. Azar publicly announced in February that the government was establishing a “surveillance” system in five American cities to measure the spread of the virus and enable experts to project the next hot spots. It was delayed for weeks. The slow start of that plan, on top of the well-documented failures to develop the nation’s testing capacity, left administration officials with almost no insight into how rapidly the virus was spreading. “We were flying the plane with no instruments,” one official said.
C. Douglas Mcmillon, Mike Pence are posing for a picture: Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.
■ By the third week in February, the administration’s top public health experts concluded they should recommend to Mr. Trump a new approach that would include warning the American people of the risks and urging steps like social distancing and staying home from work. But the White House focused instead on messaging and crucial additional weeks went by before their views were reluctantly accepted by the president — time when the virus spread largely unimpeded.
a person wearing a suit and tie: Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.© Andrew Harnik/Associated Press Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.
When Mr. Trump finally agreed in mid-March to recommend social distancing across the country, effectively bringing much of the economy to a halt, he seemed shellshocked and deflated to some of his closest associates. One described him as “subdued” and “baffled” by how the crisis had played out. An economy that he had wagered his re-election on was suddenly in shambles.
a person standing in a room: An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.© Fabio Bucciarelli for The New York Times An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.
He only regained his swagger, the associate said, from conducting his daily White House briefings, at which he often seeks to rewrite the history of the past several months. He declared at one point that he “felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic,” and insisted at another that he had to be a “cheerleader for the country,” as if that explained why he failed to prepare the public for what was coming.
Mr. Trump’s allies and some administration officials say the criticism has been unfair. The Chinese government misled other governments, they say. And they insist that the president was either not getting proper information, or the people around him weren’t conveying the urgency of the threat. In some cases, they argue, the specific officials he was hearing from had been discredited in his eyes, but once the right information got to him through other channels, he made the right calls.
Anthony S. Fauci wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.© Pete Marovich for The New York Times Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.
“While the media and Democrats refused to seriously acknowledge this virus in January and February, President Trump took bold action to protect Americans and unleash the full power of the federal government to curb the spread of the virus, expand testing capacities and expedite vaccine development even when we had no true idea the level of transmission or asymptomatic spread,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman.
a bunch of items that are on a table: A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.© Chinatopix, via Associated Press A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.
There were key turning points along the way, opportunities for Mr. Trump to get ahead of the virus rather than just chase it. There were internal debates that presented him with stark choices, and moments when he could have chosen to ask deeper questions and learn more. How he handled them may shape his re-election campaign. They will certainly shape his legacy.
The Containment Illusion
By the last week of February, it was clear to the administration’s public health team that schools and businesses in hot spots would have to close. But in the turbulence of the Trump White House, it took three more weeks to persuade the president that failure to act quickly to control the spread of the virus would have dire consequences.
a man wearing a suit and tie talking on a cell phone: Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.© Doug Mills/The New York Times Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.
When Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Health and Human Services Department, convened the White House coronavirus task force on Feb. 21, his agenda was urgent. There were deep cracks in the administration’s strategy for keeping the virus out of the United States. They were going to have to lock down the country to prevent it from spreading. The question was: When?
a group of people looking at a man in a suit and tie: Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.© Ashley Gilbertson for The New York Times Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.
There had already been an alarming spike in new cases around the world and the virus was spreading across the Middle East. It was becoming apparent that the administration had botched the rollout of testing to track the virus at home, and a smaller-scale surveillance program intended to piggyback on a federal flu tracking system had also been stillborn.
In Washington, the president was not worried, predicting that by April, “when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.” His White House had yet to ask Congress for additional funding to prepare for the potential cost of wide-scale infection across the country, and health care providers were growing increasingly nervous about the availability of masks, ventilators and other equipment.
What Mr. Trump decided to do next could dramatically shape the course of the pandemic — and how many people would get sick and die.
With that in mind, the task force had gathered for a tabletop exercise — a real-time version of a full-scale war gaming of a flu pandemic the administration had run the previous year. That earlier exercise, also conducted by Mr. Kadlec and called “Crimson Contagion,” predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths following a hypothetical outbreak that started in China.
a person wearing a mask: A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.© Kevin Frayer/Getty Images A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.
Facing the likelihood of a real pandemic, the group needed to decide when to abandon “containment” — the effort to keep the virus outside the U.S. and to isolate anyone who gets infected — and embrace “mitigation” to thwart the spread of the virus inside the country until a vaccine becomes available.
Among the questions on the agenda, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was when the department’s secretary, Mr. Azar, should recommend that Mr. Trump take textbook mitigation measures “such as school dismissals and cancellations of mass gatherings,” which had been identified as the next appropriate step in a Bush-era pandemic plan.
a man standing next to a woman: Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.
The exercise was sobering. The group — including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health; Dr. Robert R. Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Mr. Azar, who at that stage was leading the White House Task Force — concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation’s economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans.
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fat stupid and ugly - a GOP dream
You’re a fucking retard and it’s your kind that we should come after when this is all said and done. You couldn’t debate (or any libtard) any of the shit you post even somewhat competently.
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Yes. When there is testing and nothing is hidden from the public, the amount of reported covid deaths will increase.
Wait, wait. Do you people actually believe that there have been only 4k covid deaths in China?
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Is is true? I am in shock if so.
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/
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Trump and his dumb voters must be sick of winning all the time
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He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
The chaotic culture of the Trump White House contributed to the crisis. A lack of planning and a failure to execute,
combined with the president’s focus on the news cycle and his preference for following his gut rather than the data cost time, and perhaps lives.
WASHINGTON — “Any way you cut it, this is going to be bad,” a senior medical adviser at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Dr. Carter Mecher, wrote on the night of Jan. 28, in an email to a group of public health experts scattered around the government and universities. “The projected size of the outbreak already seems hard to believe.”
A week after the first coronavirus case had been identified in the United States, and six long weeks before President Trump finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing — a pandemic that is now forecast to take tens of thousands of American lives — Dr. Mecher was urging the upper ranks of the nation’s public health bureaucracy to wake up and prepare for the possibility of far more drastic action.
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“You guys made fun of me screaming to close the schools,” he wrote to the group, which called itself “Red Dawn,” an inside joke based on the 1984 movie about a band of Americans trying to save the country after a foreign invasion. “Now I’m screaming, close the colleges and universities.”
a screen shot of a video game: “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.© Erin Schaff/The New York Times “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” President Trump said last month. He has repeatedly said that no one could have seen the effects of the coronavirus coming.
His was hardly a lone voice. Throughout January, as Mr. Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues, an array of figures inside his government — from top White House advisers to experts deep in the cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified the threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.
The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead on controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials. It was a problem, he said, that had come out of nowhere and could not have been foreseen.
a man wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.© T.J. Kirkpatrick for The New York Times Dr. Robert Kadlec with the Department of Health and Human Services ran an exercise with the White House Task Force in February that helped convince some in the administration to push for taking more urgent action against the virus.
Even after Mr. Trump took his first concrete action at the end of January — limiting travel from China — public health often had to compete with economic and political considerations in internal debates, slowing the path toward belated decisions to seek more money from Congress, obtain necessary supplies, address shortfalls in testing and ultimately move to keep much of the nation at home.
Unfolding as it did in the wake of his impeachment by the House and in the midst of his Senate trial, Mr. Trump’s response was colored by his suspicion of and disdain for what he viewed as the “Deep State” — the very people in his government whose expertise and long experience might have guided him more quickly toward steps that would slow the virus, and likely save lives.
Decision-making was also complicated by a long-running dispute inside the administration over how to deal with China. The virus at first took a back seat to a desire not to upset Beijing during trade talks, but later the impulse to score points against Beijing left the world’s two leading powers further divided as they confronted one of the first truly global threats of the 21st century.
News to stay informed. Advice to stay safe.
Click here for complete coronavirus coverage from Microsoft News
The shortcomings of Mr. Trump’s performance have played out with remarkable transparency as part of his daily effort to dominate television screens and the national conversation.
But dozens of interviews with current and former officials and a review of emails and other records revealed many previously unreported details and a fuller picture of the roots and extent of his halting response as the deadly virus spread:
a park bench next to a fence: The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.© Andrew Seng for The New York Times The president urged social distancing in mid-March but almost immediately began talking about reopening the economy.
■ The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.
■ Despite Mr. Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told at the time about a Jan. 29 memo produced by his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.
■ The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.
■ Mr. Azar publicly announced in February that the government was establishing a “surveillance” system in five American cities to measure the spread of the virus and enable experts to project the next hot spots. It was delayed for weeks. The slow start of that plan, on top of the well-documented failures to develop the nation’s testing capacity, left administration officials with almost no insight into how rapidly the virus was spreading. “We were flying the plane with no instruments,” one official said.
C. Douglas Mcmillon, Mike Pence are posing for a picture: Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Vice President Mike Pence visiting a Walmart distribution center in Gordonsville, Va. this month. He was put in charge of the coronavirus task force after Mr. Trump clashed with Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary.
■ By the third week in February, the administration’s top public health experts concluded they should recommend to Mr. Trump a new approach that would include warning the American people of the risks and urging steps like social distancing and staying home from work. But the White House focused instead on messaging and crucial additional weeks went by before their views were reluctantly accepted by the president — time when the virus spread largely unimpeded.
a person wearing a suit and tie: Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.© Andrew Harnik/Associated Press Matthew Pottinger, left, the deputy national security adviser, was among those in the administration who pushed for imposing limits on travel from China.
When Mr. Trump finally agreed in mid-March to recommend social distancing across the country, effectively bringing much of the economy to a halt, he seemed shellshocked and deflated to some of his closest associates. One described him as “subdued” and “baffled” by how the crisis had played out. An economy that he had wagered his re-election on was suddenly in shambles.
a person standing in a room: An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.© Fabio Bucciarelli for The New York Times An I.C.U. ward at Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy last month where critical Covid-19 patients were hospitalized.
He only regained his swagger, the associate said, from conducting his daily White House briefings, at which he often seeks to rewrite the history of the past several months. He declared at one point that he “felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic,” and insisted at another that he had to be a “cheerleader for the country,” as if that explained why he failed to prepare the public for what was coming.
Mr. Trump’s allies and some administration officials say the criticism has been unfair. The Chinese government misled other governments, they say. And they insist that the president was either not getting proper information, or the people around him weren’t conveying the urgency of the threat. In some cases, they argue, the specific officials he was hearing from had been discredited in his eyes, but once the right information got to him through other channels, he made the right calls.
Anthony S. Fauci wearing a suit and tie: Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.© Pete Marovich for The New York Times Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, two leading members of the administration’s public health team, were ready to back a shift in administration strategy by late February.
“While the media and Democrats refused to seriously acknowledge this virus in January and February, President Trump took bold action to protect Americans and unleash the full power of the federal government to curb the spread of the virus, expand testing capacities and expedite vaccine development even when we had no true idea the level of transmission or asymptomatic spread,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman.
a bunch of items that are on a table: A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.© Chinatopix, via Associated Press A temporary hospital for Covid-19 patients in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated. Crosscurrents in the administration’s China policy complicated its response to the outbreak.
There were key turning points along the way, opportunities for Mr. Trump to get ahead of the virus rather than just chase it. There were internal debates that presented him with stark choices, and moments when he could have chosen to ask deeper questions and learn more. How he handled them may shape his re-election campaign. They will certainly shape his legacy.
The Containment Illusion
By the last week of February, it was clear to the administration’s public health team that schools and businesses in hot spots would have to close. But in the turbulence of the Trump White House, it took three more weeks to persuade the president that failure to act quickly to control the spread of the virus would have dire consequences.
a man wearing a suit and tie talking on a cell phone: Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.© Doug Mills/The New York Times Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, warned that a pandemic could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.
When Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Health and Human Services Department, convened the White House coronavirus task force on Feb. 21, his agenda was urgent. There were deep cracks in the administration’s strategy for keeping the virus out of the United States. They were going to have to lock down the country to prevent it from spreading. The question was: When?
a group of people looking at a man in a suit and tie: Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.© Ashley Gilbertson for The New York Times Traders at the New York Stock Exchange on March 9, when stocks suffered their worst single-day decline in more than a decade. Two days later, Mr. Trump announced restrictions on travel from Europe.
There had already been an alarming spike in new cases around the world and the virus was spreading across the Middle East. It was becoming apparent that the administration had botched the rollout of testing to track the virus at home, and a smaller-scale surveillance program intended to piggyback on a federal flu tracking system had also been stillborn.
In Washington, the president was not worried, predicting that by April, “when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.” His White House had yet to ask Congress for additional funding to prepare for the potential cost of wide-scale infection across the country, and health care providers were growing increasingly nervous about the availability of masks, ventilators and other equipment.
What Mr. Trump decided to do next could dramatically shape the course of the pandemic — and how many people would get sick and die.
With that in mind, the task force had gathered for a tabletop exercise — a real-time version of a full-scale war gaming of a flu pandemic the administration had run the previous year. That earlier exercise, also conducted by Mr. Kadlec and called “Crimson Contagion,” predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths following a hypothetical outbreak that started in China.
a person wearing a mask: A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.© Kevin Frayer/Getty Images A worker at a Starbucks at an airport in Beijing in January checks a customer’s temperature.
Facing the likelihood of a real pandemic, the group needed to decide when to abandon “containment” — the effort to keep the virus outside the U.S. and to isolate anyone who gets infected — and embrace “mitigation” to thwart the spread of the virus inside the country until a vaccine becomes available.
Among the questions on the agenda, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was when the department’s secretary, Mr. Azar, should recommend that Mr. Trump take textbook mitigation measures “such as school dismissals and cancellations of mass gatherings,” which had been identified as the next appropriate step in a Bush-era pandemic plan.
a man standing next to a woman: Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Dr. Deborah Birx eventually helped convince Mr. Trump that stricter measures needed to be taken.
The exercise was sobering. The group — including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health; Dr. Robert R. Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Mr. Azar, who at that stage was leading the White House Task Force — concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation’s economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans.
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fat stupid and ugly - a GOP dream
;D. ;D
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https://truepundit.com/birx-says-government-is-classifying-all-deaths-of-patients-with-coronavirus-as-covid-19-deaths-regardless-of-cause/
You beat me to it. We should just cut and paste the whole article in every death thread.
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Trump and his dumb voters must be sick of winning all the time
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BLAH BLAH BLAH...BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT.
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The childish anger and immature petulance you exhibit over President Donald Trump’s success shows just how much it eats away at you every day.
It makes me smile to think of the self induced misery libidiots like you are going to put yourself through during President Trump’s second term.
And in the end he will become the greatest President in the history of the United States and you will still be a miserable empty shell of a human being.
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It's just a flu
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https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/
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Pure evil. Humans don’t even deserve this beautiful planet.
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:o :o :o
So, why "superior" BLACK genetics don't protect them ;D ;D ;D
These are some “Hotspots” in NYC. All black and Hispanic shitsholes. If you think of this all as a giant scam everything makes sense. You test the areas that have the worst health outcomes in order to jack up the numbers.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/12/coronavirus-update-de-blasio-says-rate-of-increase-in-cases-has-slowed/
The mayor said he aims to create community testing sites by the end of the week at:
* East New York, Brooklyn
* Morrisania, the Bronx
* Harlem
* Jamaica, Queens
* The Vanderbilt Clinic on Staten Island
East New YorK
The racial makeup of the neighborhood was 63.6% (58,453) African American, 3.0% (2,764) Asian, 1.3% (1,240) White, 0.3% (291) Native American, 0.0% (38) Pacific Islander, 0.7% (683) from other races, and 1.3% (1,237) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 29.6% (27,252) of the population.[3]
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Conversely, if you think of this as legitimate, nothing makes sense. Apparently, Europeans, sick with corona, flew to New York City, and stayed in hotels that typically cost 300 to 500 a night so that they could go to the areas where they would be most likely to be robbed, beaten and killed.
Most New York Coronavirus Cases Came From Europe, Genomes Show
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html
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Conversely, if you think of this as legitimate, nothing makes sense. Apparently, Europeans, sick with corona, flew to New York City, and stayed in hotels that typically cost 300 to 500 a night so that they could go to the areas where they would be most likely to be robbed, beaten and killed.
Likely it was the other way around.
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Hey RK, regarding to yours supreme leader :o US Army is in Tehran & other Iranian towns !?.
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https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/
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Locals in Wuhan, where the Chinese coronavirus pandemic originated, have heard screams coming from funeral home furnaces, and some treated in hospitals say they saw workers put living coronavirus patients in body bags.
RFA quoted a source “close to the funeral industry” identified only as Ma who said that he had heard reports of “people restrained and forced into body bags when they were still moving.”
“One old lady was saying that they put one guy into … a body bag when he wasn’t even dead yet, and took him off to the crematorium because there was no way of saving him,”
“Some people are saying that … there are video clips of screams coming from funeral homes, from inside the furnaces … which tells us that some people were taken to the funeral homes while they were still alive,” Ma added.
“He’s not dead, his feet and hands are still moving,” the woman says, “[They] wrapped him in a plastic body bag and zipped it up.”
Ma, the funeral home source speaking to RFA in its report on Monday, said that Wuhan was cremating so many bodies at some point that some incinerators broke down, resulting in cremators placing multiple bodies in one incinerator at a time to keep up with the sheer amount of remains.
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Locals in Wuhan, where the Chinese coronavirus pandemic originated, have heard screams coming from funeral home furnaces, and some treated in hospitals say they saw workers put living coronavirus patients in body bags.
RFA quoted a source “close to the funeral industry” identified only as Ma who said that he had heard reports of “people restrained and forced into body bags when they were still moving.”
“One old lady was saying that they put one guy into … a body bag when he wasn’t even dead yet, and took him off to the crematorium because there was no way of saving him,”
“Some people are saying that … there are video clips of screams coming from funeral homes, from inside the furnaces … which tells us that some people were taken to the funeral homes while they were still alive,” Ma added.
“He’s not dead, his feet and hands are still moving,” the woman says, “[They] wrapped him in a plastic body bag and zipped it up.”
Ma, the funeral home source speaking to RFA in its report on Monday, said that Wuhan was cremating so many bodies at some point that some incinerators broke down, resulting in cremators placing multiple bodies in one incinerator at a time to keep up with the sheer amount of remains.
It's just the flu, unless you are a 97 year old asthmatic diabetic with advanced AIDs you have nothing to worry about.
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Pure evil. Humans don’t even deserve this beautiful planet.
If they kill them before they die, then they can honestly say they didn't ie from Corona but other causes. Like being burned alive. Good way to not pad the real numbers.
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It's just the flu, unless you are a 97 year old asthmatic diabetic with advanced AIDs you have nothing to worry about.
In China, most people who are feeling sick and suspect they have this virus are probably not even daring to report it. They know they will be treated like dogs in hospital and if it looks like they're deteriorating who knows what will happen to them.
This is the same country which harvests peoples organs. Cutting out dissidents organs, such as those of the Falun Gong religion.
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Locals in Wuhan, where the Chinese coronavirus pandemic originated, have heard screams coming from funeral home furnaces, and some treated in hospitals say they saw workers put living coronavirus patients in body bags.
RFA quoted a source “close to the funeral industry” identified only as Ma who said that he had heard reports of “people restrained and forced into body bags when they were still moving.”
“One old lady was saying that they put one guy into … a body bag when he wasn’t even dead yet, and took him off to the crematorium because there was no way of saving him,”
“Some people are saying that … there are video clips of screams coming from funeral homes, from inside the furnaces … which tells us that some people were taken to the funeral homes while they were still alive,” Ma added.
“He’s not dead, his feet and hands are still moving,” the woman says, “[They] wrapped him in a plastic body bag and zipped it up.”
Ma, the funeral home source speaking to RFA in its report on Monday, said that Wuhan was cremating so many bodies at some point that some incinerators broke down, resulting in cremators placing multiple bodies in one incinerator at a time to keep up with the sheer amount of remains.
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Pure evil. Humans don’t even deserve this beautiful planet.
yep and the worst part is americans are pretending like china is innocent
i was just IP banned from a forum for saying china created the virus, rather than blaming trump ::)
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Serves you right for posting on other forums than Getbig
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Serves you right for posting on other forums than Getbig
i guess so, getbig lets you tell it how it is
have to pretend trump infected the entire world on other forums, orange man bad chinese good ::)
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Is anybody criticitzing Trump for what he's currently doing?
All I hear is talk about what he should've done 2 months ago or last year etc
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We're number one. Right. ::)
(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/21176.jpeg)
https://www.statista.com/chart/21176/covid-19-infection-density-in-countries-most-total-cases/
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We're number one. Right. ::)
(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/21176.jpeg)
https://www.statista.com/chart/21176/covid-19-infection-density-in-countries-most-total-cases/
Did you notice how all of those countries are developed countries?
Poor countries are doing a terrible job at managing Covid-19.
Look at Brazil. They've conducted 300 tests per million inhabitants. That's 30 times less than the US, and 40 times less than Italy. Right now they have 80 cases per million, but actual cases could be very well around 1000-2000 cases per million.
So we'll probably never know to a full extent which countries had the worst outcomes.
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Most people have had it and not even noticed...
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i guess so, getbig lets you tell it how it is
have to pretend trump infected the entire world on other forums, orange man bad chinese good ::)
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Organ harvesting on persecuted religious groups, concentration 're-education' slave labour camps, unleashing a global plague for the last 1500 years, having zero human rights, zero representation in court, no freedom of speech, 'social credit' points, unable to purchase property, having a communist party cadre and political Kommissar in every business with 50 employees, cooking dogs alive etc.
= good for Leftists
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Most people have had it and not even noticed...
Very True. A nurse at the local hospital told me a few days ago that the Covid patients (positive tests) are out in about 3 days- and that is for those with a severe case. She said the ones that died were on their last legs anyways. Seems obesity is the number 1 factor in determining death rate from the Wuflu.
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the orange turd is an insecure baby, and also the face of 100% of USAs covid deaths
(https://politicalpunchline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/g7-putin-trump-baby.jpg)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/13/trump-briefing-coronavirus-184752
Trump begins coronavirus briefing with a political show
A campaign-ad-like video appeared to be a rebuttal to a damning New York Times report about the administration’s early inaction on the outbreak.
President Donald Trump fiercely defended his administration’s response to the coronavirus during Monday’s task force briefing, complete with a campaign-ad-like video aimed at bolstering his case.
The visual production came after a weekend during which the president’s coronavirus task force held no briefings, which are meant to serve as updates for the public on the unfolding pandemic that has infected hundreds of thousands of Americans and killed tens of thousands.
Instead, Monday’s briefing appeared to be fashioned as a rebuttal to a damning report in The New York Times detailing Trump’s early inaction on the outbreak despite warnings from national security and public health officials.
Trump began the briefing by expressing his condolences to those hit by severe storms across the South overnight, before bringing up Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-diseases expert, to clean up a statement he made over the weekend asserting that earlier mitigation efforts in the U.S. would have saved lives.
After Fauci assured reporters he was offering the walkback of his own volition, Trump retook the briefing room lectern and launched into a full-throated defense of the restrictions he placed on travel from China in late January, a decision he has repeatedly pointed to as evidence he took the virus seriously.
Then he asked for the briefing room lights to be dimmed.
On screens behind him, a montage of the timeline of the administration’s response to the virus began to play, splicing favorable news clips between headings like “the media minimized the risk from the start … while President Trump took decisive action … even as partisans sniped and criticized.”
Trump rails against Biden, Pelosi and New York Times in defense of White House coronavirus response
SharePlay Video
The video included praise for the president from a bipartisan array of governors, but left out any criticism of the administration’s response to the crisis, including Trump’s repeatedly downplaying the threat of the virus and his administration’s failure to set up widespread testing throughout the country.
“We could give you hundreds of clips just like that. We have them,” Trump told reporters after the video ended. “We didn’t want this to go on too long.”
Asked why he felt the need to show such an overtly political message in the briefing room, a presentation that one reporter pointed out “looked a bit like a campaign ad,” the president responded simply: “So, we’re getting fake news and I like to have it corrected.”
He said the video had been put together in about two hours by Dan Scavino, the White House social media director and Trump’s reelection campaign manager, and a few others in the press office.
By the end of the video montage, Fox News was the only cable network that continued to carry the briefing, with CNN cutting to its fact checker and MSNBC blasting the political bent of the event.
“We are cutting into what was not a White House coronavirus task force briefing,” Ari Melber told viewers as MSNBC cut back to him. “We are going to avoid airing any more of this White House briefing until it returns to what it was supposed to be, which was the coronavirus task force providing medical information.”
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the orange turd is an insecure baby, and also the face of 100% of USAs covid deaths
(https://politicalpunchline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/g7-putin-trump-baby.jpg)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/13/trump-briefing-coronavirus-184752
Trump begins coronavirus briefing with a political show
A campaign-ad-like video appeared to be a rebuttal to a damning New York Times report about the administration’s early inaction on the outbreak.
President Donald Trump fiercely defended his administration’s response to the coronavirus during Monday’s task force briefing, complete with a campaign-ad-like video aimed at bolstering his case.
The visual production came after a weekend during which the president’s coronavirus task force held no briefings, which are meant to serve as updates for the public on the unfolding pandemic that has infected hundreds of thousands of Americans and killed tens of thousands.
Instead, Monday’s briefing appeared to be fashioned as a rebuttal to a damning report in The New York Times detailing Trump’s early inaction on the outbreak despite warnings from national security and public health officials.
Trump began the briefing by expressing his condolences to those hit by severe storms across the South overnight, before bringing up Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-diseases expert, to clean up a statement he made over the weekend asserting that earlier mitigation efforts in the U.S. would have saved lives.
After Fauci assured reporters he was offering the walkback of his own volition, Trump retook the briefing room lectern and launched into a full-throated defense of the restrictions he placed on travel from China in late January, a decision he has repeatedly pointed to as evidence he took the virus seriously.
Then he asked for the briefing room lights to be dimmed.
On screens behind him, a montage of the timeline of the administration’s response to the virus began to play, splicing favorable news clips between headings like “the media minimized the risk from the start … while President Trump took decisive action … even as partisans sniped and criticized.”
Trump rails against Biden, Pelosi and New York Times in defense of White House coronavirus response
SharePlay Video
The video included praise for the president from a bipartisan array of governors, but left out any criticism of the administration’s response to the crisis, including Trump’s repeatedly downplaying the threat of the virus and his administration’s failure to set up widespread testing throughout the country.
“We could give you hundreds of clips just like that. We have them,” Trump told reporters after the video ended. “We didn’t want this to go on too long.”
Asked why he felt the need to show such an overtly political message in the briefing room, a presentation that one reporter pointed out “looked a bit like a campaign ad,” the president responded simply: “So, we’re getting fake news and I like to have it corrected.”
He said the video had been put together in about two hours by Dan Scavino, the White House social media director and Trump’s reelection campaign manager, and a few others in the press office.
By the end of the video montage, Fox News was the only cable network that continued to carry the briefing, with CNN cutting to its fact checker and MSNBC blasting the political bent of the event.
“We are cutting into what was not a White House coronavirus task force briefing,” Ari Melber told viewers as MSNBC cut back to him. “We are going to avoid airing any more of this White House briefing until it returns to what it was supposed to be, which was the coronavirus task force providing medical information.”
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yep and the worst part is americans are pretending like china is innocent
i was just IP banned from a forum for saying china created the virus, rather than blaming trump ::)
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Only the liberal Americans.
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the orange turd is an insecure baby
Trump told reporters after the “So, we’re getting fake news and I like to have it corrected.”
So let me get this straight, reporters can lie, copy/paste, not fact check, print articles that encite scare mongering but when the President presents ONE short video clip with real facts, he gets slammed lol.
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Is is true? I am in shock if so.
No you moron. They are not burning people alive. Has fecal titty poisoning gone to your brain?
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US is under-counting covid deaths just like China and other countries. In China, 60-70% of the dead bodies arriving at crematoriums came from homes, not hospitals and weren't counted.
"But when the final death toll is reported, it may be bigger than current data would suggest. A recent report from WNYC and The Gothamist, two New York media outlets, notes that the city’s official covid-19 fatality statistics have until recently excluded those who died in their homes, and therefore were never diagnosed with the virus. Exactly how many people are missing from the tally is unclear. One clue comes from the number of people calling 911 about cardiac arrests, a known consequence of covid-19."
So we automatically label somebody who had a heart attack as having died of corona and then conclude that the victims are under counted. OK.
This shit is beyond ridiculous. The current narrative in New York City is that European tourists and business people crashed inner city house parties and infected African-Americans:
Most New York Coronavirus Cases Came From Europe, Genomes Show
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.amp.html
Virus Is Twice as Deadly for Black and Latino People Than Whites in N.Y.C.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/coronavirus-race-deaths.html
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yep and the worst part is americans are pretending like china is innocent
i was just IP banned from a forum for saying china created the virus, rather than blaming trump ::)
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The folks that are pretending china is innocent are NOT Americans
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dumb, fat and ugly!
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I is a dun Trumper, I can't durn read. mah cuzin rote dis 4 me
I knew Trump voters were dumb, but damn...
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I knew Trump voters were dumb, but damn...
Can 1 of American GetBigers call 911 & Dr.Ron to "permanently hospitalize'' this bonobo !.
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Organ harvesting on persecuted religious groups, concentration 're-education' slave labour camps, unleashing a global plague for the last 1500 years, having zero human rights, zero representation in court, no freedom of speech, 'social credit' points, unable to purchase property, having a communist party cadre and political Kommissar in every business with 50 employees, cooking dogs alive etc.
= good for Leftists
but at least the left isn't racist, that's all that matters right ???
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but at least the left isn't racist, that's all that matters right ???
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But American & British ANTIFA is very left & racist !.
Unmasked Antifa is destroyed in Australia, ;D
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If someone has terminal cancer (say, a few weeks to live), gets COVID19 and passes away, is the death due to cancer or COVID19? Seems like cancer would be the better cause of death to list, but appears that would not be the case these days.
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China has 21 million drop in mobile phone numbers and social app users could indicate that the death toll of china virus was massively downsized.
Original article:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200406190917/https://n5ti.com/health/1233/
And ex CNN Ryan Cooper "fact checking" false claims of the article for Lead stories:
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/04/fact-check-new-data-does-not-reveal-that-21-million-chinese-died-of-coronavirus.html
Article from feb 9 regarding Wuhan death toll:
https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/
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China has 21 million drop in mobile phone numbers and social app users could indicate that the death toll of china virus was
I gave plausible explanations to this before. I won't list them again but a poor country goes into lockdown where you can't leave your house, subscriptions get cancelled because you are on your wifi. Work phones are cancelled. Kids phones are cancelled etc.
You won't.hear.any reports.about mobile phone subscriptions increasing in April and May but it will increase.
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On one hand you can't trust the chinese.
On the other hand, you know that the chinese can do whatever they want to battle a virus spread, all the force, all the technology, all the hospital workers etc they need.
They don't need to sit around and wait for others to agree due decisions or care what people have to say.
As undemocratic as this is, we cannot criticize it's efficiency.
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The sudden rise in cardiac arrests over the previous year seems to match the rise in corona deaths. What other conclusions can be drawn from this data? Maybe hospitals were full of covid victims so heart attack victims couldn't be treated? But we've all seen the citizen videos of empty hospitals, so it can't be that. What else could it be?
I posted in another thread of the link between Cardiac arrest and covid19.
Cardiac arrest isn't an unexpected outcome of the virus.
Suffering a bad case of covid19 taxes your body in a way similar to running a marathon everyday, hence the aches and fatigue.
If you're really unhealthy or have some kinda heart disease then you're in dangerous territory. Also people are fighting, recovering and walking away from covid19 and 2 days later their heart gives up because of stress their bodies went through
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The sudden rise in cardiac arrests over the previous year seems to match the rise in corona deaths. What other conclusions can be drawn from this data? Maybe hospitals were full of covid victims so heart attack victims couldn't be treated? But we've all seen the citizen videos of empty hospitals, so it can't be that. What else could it be?
That was a times article in which a doctor said a lot of people with cardiac conditions were afraid of going to the hospital and therefore died at home.
You obviously don’t want to accept that there is a scam taking place. Every one of these areas is a black and Hispanic shit hole that already had horrible health outcomes. The scam is in the testing. You test people in these areas in order to jack up the numbers.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/12/coronavirus-update-de-blasio-says-rate-of-increase-in-cases-has-slowed/
The mayor said he aims to create community testing sites by the end of the week at:
* East New York, Brooklyn
* Morrisania, the Bronx
* Harlem
* Jamaica, Queens
* The Vanderbilt Clinic on Staten Island
East New YorK
The racial makeup of the neighborhood was 63.6% (58,453) African American, 3.0% (2,764) Asian, 1.3% (1,240) White, 0.3% (291) Native American, 0.0% (38) Pacific Islander, 0.7% (683) from other races, and 1.3% (1,237) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 29.6% (27,252) of the population.[3]
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On one hand you can't trust the chinese.
On the other hand, you know that the chinese can do whatever they want to battle a virus spread, all the force, all the technology, all the hospital workers etc they need.
They don't need to sit around and wait for others to agree due decisions or care what people have to say.
As undemocratic as this is, we cannot criticize it's efficiency.
No wasting time, just throw them in the oven alive.
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No wasting time, just throw them in the oven alive.
He is right that China can take more draconian measures.
That said, this is the REAL story:
https://boingboing.net/2019/02/16/systemic-risk-2.html
China's real-estate bubble is the largest in human history, and despite years of warning signs, it has grown and grown, spilling over into the rest of the world.
It's hard to overstate just how crazy China's real-estate market is: 25% of the country's GDP comes from construction, and 80% of the nation's wealth is in domestic property holdings. That's $65T, nearly double the size of the economies of every G7 nation combined.
The market has been kept afloat through China's massive "shadow banking" system, itself such a systemic risk that the Chinese government has been forced to crack down on it. Now, China's massive, blue-chip property developers have had their debt downrated to CCC and are struggling to issue new bonds -- Moody's rates the debt of 51 out of 61 Chinese property companies as "junk."
China has 65 million vacant residences, but prices remain stubbornly high, even in "tier-two" cities like Jinan, where a 1000sqft apartment costs RMB2M, while a worker may only earn RMB6,000/month.
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He is right that China can take more draconian measures.
That said, this is the REAL story:
https://boingboing.net/2019/02/16/systemic-risk-2.html
China's real-estate bubble is the largest in human history, and despite years of warning signs, it has grown and grown, spilling over into the rest of the world.
It's hard to overstate just how crazy China's real-estate market is: 25% of the country's GDP comes from construction, and 80% of the nation's wealth is in domestic property holdings. That's $65T, nearly double the size of the economies of every G7 nation combined.
The market has been kept afloat through China's massive "shadow banking" system, itself such a systemic risk that the Chinese government has been forced to crack down on it. Now, China's massive, blue-chip property developers have had their debt downrated to CCC and are struggling to issue new bonds -- Moody's rates the debt of 51 out of 61 Chinese property companies as "junk."
China has 65 million vacant residences, but prices remain stubbornly high, even in "tier-two" cities like Jinan, where a 1000sqft apartment costs RMB2M, while a worker may only earn RMB6,000/month.
And even before this crisis, they have huge ghost cities, buildings of empty apartments.
Don't know who is going to maintain them, as those occupied already have severe maintenance issues as the 'owners' of the buildings are only leasing.
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Just when you thought Getbiggers couldnt host more experts, it turns out Getbiggers are also experts on everything China!
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If someone has terminal cancer (say, a few weeks to live), gets COVID19 and passes away, is the death due to cancer or COVID19? Seems like cancer would be the better cause of death to list, but appears that would not be the case these days.
My general assumption in this sort of situation is that if something seems very obvious to me but not obvious to a bunch of people who do something like this professionally, the issue is usually that I’m lacking some important context or piece of knowledge that they have.