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RIP
From RX Muscle..
Beyond saddened to report the tragic passing of IFBB Pro Luke Sandoe. Our entire team is stunned and our hearts go out to Luke's family, loved ones, and the entire bodybuilding world which he entertained in only ways he knew how.
We will have more to come.
Luke will be dearly missed.
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Wtf?? How??
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In before Aaron starts another charity for kids in his honor.
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Yes, verified. Passed away last night. Do not have details yet, but NOT suicide like people have speculated.
From yesterday on Instagram
"Blasting some legs today. Lying leg curl, leg extension/sissy squat super set, safety bar squats w/ chains, leg press. Did 4-5 sets per movement. This was my last set of squats and it felt awesome. No knee pain = win! 🎼🎸🥁 Stray From The Path - “The First Will Be Last”"
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_0AJ8rnRVl/
From the 2017 Arnold Classic
From flexatronrhoden - It’s with a heavy heart I am trying to write this post. Receiving a call this morning that my fellow #teamaceto friend @lukesandoe is no longer with us, I am still lost for words. Seems like just yesterday we were talking as he react out to wish me happy Birthday. We never know what someone else is going through. I often joke around and call him the Juggernaut with a big heart. My thoughts and prayers for your love ones
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Rip big bastard.
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No way! Redcon1 top bodybuilder like Dallas!!! WTF surely not....
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Yes, verified. Passed away last night. Do not have details yet, but NOT suicide like people have speculated.
From yesterday on Instagram
"Blasting some legs today. Lying leg curl, leg extension/sissy squat super set, safety bar squats w/ chains, leg press. Did 4-5 sets per movement. This was my last set of squats and it felt awesome. No knee pain = win! 🎼🎸🥁 Stray From The Path - “The First Will Be Last”"
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_0AJ8rnRVl/
From the 2017 Arnold Classic
Whoa, that's crazy.
He was posting videos of him squatting some heavy ass weights and dies in the next couple of hours?
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Unbelievable, 30 years old...
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Wow, was just watching one of his videos last night!
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I'm in complete shock. The rumors are it was suicide. I loved every podcast he was on, he was such a good guy. I can't believe he is gone or that he had such daemons.
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In before Aaron starts another charity for kids in his honor.
D’oh! That may not stop Aaron ::)
Shocked and saddened by this news. Gone too soon. RIP.
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I'm in complete shock. The rumors are it was suicide. I loved every podcast he was on, he was such a good guy. I can't believe he is gone or that he had such daemons.
No way he committed suicide.
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Pip
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I highly doubt he was working out then killed himself.likely heart attack.
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No way he committed suicide.
He didn't, that's bullshit
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I read this on RXMuscles IG account. Truly sad.
This is the second pro Redcon1 has lost . . .
J
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D’oh! That may not stop Aaron ::)
Shocked and saddened by this news. Gone too soon. RIP.
I didn’t want to walk to far into this, but one has to wonder. No doubt that the authorities will be conducting a investigation and be speaking to Aaron. Could you imagine if Redcon was feeding him some of those Blackstone products. Hum . . .
J
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This is so sad, he was only 30. With each passing day, I am happier that I quit competitive bodybuilding. He had so much life left to live. The suicide rumors don’t add up but in time we will find out.
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Let’s lay the Suicide rumors to rest. I trust Rons word
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Keep abusing roids and drugs - fng so damn stupid.
RIP - but what a damn waste.
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Saw some recent videos with the guy and he didn't strike me as depressed at all. Rather happy/joyfull.
Guessing heart issues. He was a huge guy. In Dallas territory in terms of size aswell as strength. But we will see.
Rest i peace.
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Keep abusing roids and drugs - fng so damn stupid.
RIP - but what a damn waste.
I doubt roids killed him at 30.
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I doubt roids killed him at 30.
Maybe Covid. ::)
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He was dating some new girl, who knows what kind of foul play was involved. Heart attack I highly doubt it, he talks about his dosages and they are low. It might of been an accidental overdose maybe from party drugs. But suicide no way.
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What the fuck? That's terrible, I hope a proper autopsy is conducted (not like Rich Piana's) and they find out what really happened.
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What a waste. So young. :(
Low dosages of steroids CAN kill kids. Don't be fooled. The human body is not meant to carry that amount of mass.
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Maybe Covid. ::)
it will be on his death certificate you can be sure of that
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nicksstrengthpower
Please Read- I guess I can post this now since everyone else had started posted about it. Unfortunately I learned today that we have lost Luke Sandoe. Luke was a great guy. And so much more than just a bodybuilder. Luke was a great friend . Without going into too much detail I talked to Luke when I was going through a tough time, he was one of the first people to ask me what was going on. If you swipe left you’ll see one of the things he said to me. (He was always there if I ever needed someone to talk to)
Luke was obviously going through a tough time. I just wish he would’ve talked to me about it. Last time I saw Luke was in Boca in November, I wish I would’ve gotten to see him at the Arnold this year but that was cancelled. You never know what someone is going through or what they are dealing with. Luke will be missed. And I hope the world remembers him for his personality who he was, not just that he was a bodybuilder. #lukesandoe
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B_5IHLcjVYu/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
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nicksstrengthpower
Please Read- I guess I can post this now since everyone else had started posted about it. Unfortunately I learned today that we have lost Luke Sandoe. Luke was a great guy. And so much more than just a bodybuilder. Luke was a great friend . Without going into too much detail I talked to Luke when I was going through a tough time, he was one of the first people to ask me what was going on. If you swipe left you’ll see one of the things he said to me. (He was always there if I ever needed someone to talk to)
Luke was obviously going through a tough time. I just wish he would’ve talked to me about it. Last time I saw Luke was in Boca in November, I wish I would’ve gotten to see him at the Arnold this year but that was cancelled. You never know what someone is going through or what they are dealing with. Luke will be missed. And I hope the world remembers him for his personality who he was, not just that he was a bodybuilder. #lukesandoe
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B_5IHLcjVYu/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Tough time as in depression or? I hope it wasn't suicide with the male suicide epidemic we have going on :'(
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He spoke many times on his and Fouad's podcast about the tough time he had getting over his ex. He was living with a new girl now so I thought everything was all good and he got over it. However I guess you never know what's going on inside a persons head. Robin Williams was a pretty funny, happy go lucky guy.
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Genetic predisposition to death at 30.
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Very very Sad News -* It was Suicide!!!
A real decent lad he was. Damn - Awful News
*Well it will have to be Confirmed with an autopsy.
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In this case...the actual "finishing touch"
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Clearly sad no matter how the kid passed....30 is WAY to young to die.
Singerman needs to change his company name to DEADCON-2
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Tragic Death of Luke - And a Few Gutless / Faceless warriors want to Blame Steroids & Ridicule
What’s Happened - If it’s Confirmed Suicide, Clearly he had some bad demons going on in his head.
He was a Decent Young Man with the prospect of a Very Bright future in Pro Bodybuilding.
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He was dating some new girl, who knows what kind of foul play was involved. Heart attack I highly doubt it, he talks about his dosages and they are low. It might of been an accidental overdose maybe from party drugs. But suicide no way.
Matt Porter died of a massive heart attack and was on WAY less anabolics than Luke. Doesnt matter how low the dose is....if one is MUSCULARELY OBESE...the heart cant take it. Tons of guys dying each year that size and on low doese off season. Off season weight at near 300 pounds... Heart just cant take it. Sadly...we never hear about the local and state guys who die
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Tragic Death of Luke - And a Few Gutless / Faceless warriors want to Blame Steroids & Ridicule
What’s Happened - If it’s Confirmed Suicide, Clearly he had some bad demons going on in his head.
He was a Decent Young Man with the prospect of a Very Bright future in Pro Bodybuilding.
He seemed like a decent guy - why the F commit suicide over some broad? Crazy!
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Aaron Singerman says it wasn't suicide.
My guess is heart attack, he was close to #300 at 5' 7" sometimes. If not a heart attack, maybe an accidental overdose or similar. Can't think of anything else that could take a young guy out like that.
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His Training Partner James Hollingshead Found Him.
Who knows what was going on inside his Head.
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Aaron Singerman says it wasn't suicide.
My guess is heart attack, he was close to #300 at 5' 7" sometimes. If not a heart attack, maybe an accidental overdose or similar. Can't think of anything else that could take a young guy out like that.
We’ll see when the autopsy is completed - I’m hearing Suicide & His Friend & Training Partner
James Hollingshead found Him.
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Depression is a real thing
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Depression is a real thing
It most certainly is - A Real Hidden Demon - it takes so many forms & Lives.
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We’ll see when the autopsy is completed - I’m hearing Suicide & His Friend & Training Partner
James Hollingshead found Him.
Where are you getting this from?
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Where are you getting this from?
His close friends & James’s Friends - it’s fairly close knit community in U.K. at that level.
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His close friends & James’s Friends - it’s fairly close knit community in U.K. at that level.
So the word is he committed suicide and James found him?
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What the fuck? That's terrible, I hope a proper autopsy is conducted (not like Rich Piana's) and they find out what really happened.
He died in the UK ,right? Details of any post mortem will be made public, if the coroner chooses to hold an inquest into his death.
The fact that he was a young man and died unexpectedly I would think be sufficient grounds for an inquest . If he died of suicide or murder there will automatically be an inquest.
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Wow ...sad R.I.P.
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Aaron Singerman says it wasn't suicide.
My guess is heart attack, he was close to #300 at 5' 7" sometimes. If not a heart attack, maybe an accidental overdose or similar. Can't think of anything else that could take a young guy out like that.
Oh okay!!! I'm convinced now!
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Yes, verified. Passed away last night. Do not have details yet, but NOT suicide like people have speculated.
Using maybe 7 different roids, combined with GH, clen, diuretics, insulin, and perhaps recreational drugs combined with very heavy weight lifting imo can be considered a slow but dedicated suicide attempt or lifestyle.
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If it was suicide this is beyond tragic. Young, good looking, successful, nice humble guy. He must have been in a great deal of pain and gone to great lengths to hide it. Plus he had a son. You never know the pain someone is in.
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So the word is he committed suicide and James found him?
Yes - that’s what I’ve been told & posted - as any of these things the info may
Change - early times still. What ever has happened it is a Tragedy Be it Suicide / Murder / Heart attack - He’s Gone & it’s Sad for those that Knew Him.
I can’t claim I knew well - he competed against a couple of lads I helped at the British finals
When they did well & Him & James went on to win in the following couple of years.
A very decent Man & Father by all accounts.
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I had never heard of this guy, but these days there seem to be thousands of "IFBB Pro's", so I don't think such a 25 cents membership card means anything in 2020
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I had never heard of this guy, but these days there seem to be thousands of "IFBB Pro's", so I don't think such a 25 cents membership card means anything in 2020
Yeah there are far more Pros around now - Luke was a very good competitor and progressing up the pro ranks very well, Not just a 25cents Pro.
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He overdid his insulin injection dose and went into diabetic insulin shock. Not suicide, but a sad tragedy.
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He overdid his insulin injection dose and went into diabetic insulin shock. Not suicide, but a sad tragedy.
Sources?
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RIP brother..........very sad.......way too fucking young.
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In before Aaron starts another charity for kids in his honor.
He’s gotta get paid from the corona virus and court fees
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One of the nicer guys in the game. RIP.
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Has DeadCon1 posted a statement as of yet?
J
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He overdid his insulin injection dose and went into diabetic insulin shock. Not suicide, but a sad tragedy.
That would be more of a likely scenario then suicide.
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Why would he be doing insulin ? He wasn't training or doing any bulking or anything !! Just said 4 days ago on his podcast he was in great health. Something fishy. I knew he was having issues with his ex, but he moved on very quickly with some new broad. Seemed happy. And no way would he take his life knowing he had his son. Jesus redcon1 has blood on their hands. Singerman just has the beat athletes dieing under his brand. Fuck redcon1 they are garbage. I'm th8nking massive heart attack.
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Suicide. Very sad. RIP.
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Says he is a father and If he did in fact commit suicide he’s not thinking of his kid or kids
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Says he is a father and If he did in fact commit suicide he’s not thinking of his kid or kids
That's not how it works.
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Says he is a father and If he did in fact commit suicide he’s not thinking of his kid or kids
In his head he probably thought it WAS best for his kid. That's how suicidal thoughts work.
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In his head he probably thought it WAS best for his kid. That's how suicidal thoughts work.
I don't think that's how it works.
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Where did this suicide idea come from ? Such rubbish. Although, I had a good mate, the last bloke I'd think woukd commit suicide do it, it's something people can hide very well. But I don't understand where the ideas are coming from
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Suicide caused from eating too much rice and chicken breasts.
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Flex Lewis
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_5keVKjtk2/
I have tried to write something several times and can’t find the words to do it. It feels like DejaVu two young men gone long before they should have.
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I have known Luke for over a decade we were both sponsored by Gaspari, seen him win his pro card and watch his career grow into Signing with RedCon1, Podcasts, and on stage placing 3rd at the Arnold’s- Very proud. We got closer over the years, and not a week would go by without some shit talk from him. Luke was a very funny guy and his humor I will miss. We rarely talked training, and i knew Luke was a deep guy but I never knew he was hurting. Rest Well bro.
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ANYONE who feels low, with suicidal thoughts or mental illness, know your never alone and to please reach out to someone and talk, there are many professional organizations that want to help.
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Has DeadCon1 posted a statement as of yet?
J
Yes. “His death was a tragedy. He will be missed. In his honor, a new charity will be accepting donations for underprivileged kids next week so get your credit card ready.”
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Flex Lewis
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_5keVKjtk2/
I have tried to write something several times and can’t find the words to do it. It feels like DejaVu two young men gone long before they should have.
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I have known Luke for over a decade we were both sponsored by Gaspari, seen him win his pro card and watch his career grow into Signing with RedCon1, Podcasts, and on stage placing 3rd at the Arnold’s- Very proud. We got closer over the years, and not a week would go by without some shit talk from him. Luke was a very funny guy and his humor I will miss. We rarely talked training, and i knew Luke was a deep guy but I never knew he was hurting. Rest Well bro.
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ANYONE who feels low, with suicidal thoughts or mental illness, know your never alone and to please reach out to someone and talk, there are many professional organizations that want to help.
More and more people close to him are alluding to the fact it was suicide :'(
Suicide hotlines are not of much help to suicidal men from what I heard... Very few organizations overall actually try to help males who need it.
Unfortunately when you're truly depressed & suicidal the last thing some people think about is calling a friend or relatives for help, at least that's how my brain works. You don't think rationally and believe you're a burden to everyone around you and would be better off dead.
(https://i.imgur.com/A5Wi0E8.png)
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Yes. “His death was a tragedy. He will be missed. In his honor, a new charity will be accepting donations for underprivileged kids next week so get your credit card ready.”
Fouad Abiad and Ben Chow are organizing this fundraiser
https://www.gofundme.com/f/luke-sandoe-tribute-fund
Luke Sandoe Tribute Fund
This gofundme is set up in memory of Luke Sandoe for his children. Luke was a great father, a great person and great bodybuilder who inspired many people to change their lives. Please try to contribute even if its just $5 to this gofundme in appreciation for Luke and all that he has done for our sport. 100% of the funds will be deposited directly to the family and will not be used for anything but his families needs. Thank you all for showing your love and support, we all will miss and remember Luke for the amazing person he was.
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Fouad Abiad and Ben Chow are organizing this fundraiser
https://www.gofundme.com/f/luke-sandoe-tribute-fund
Not sure how trustworthy Fouad is.
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I didn’t realize he had kids. I don’t get how you can off yourself when you have kids. I know people will jump all over me for this but I don’t care how bleak things are, leaving behind kids like that is the most selfish act possible. If you’re “sick” get help. And don’t tell me he couldn’t think rationally b/c of his mental illness. He was rational enough to make plenty of other adult decisions.
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This is what Flex Lewis wrote... via Instagram...
I have tried to write something several times and can’t find the words to do it. It feels like DejaVu two young men gone long before they should have. I have known Luke for over a decade we were both sponsored by Gaspari, seen him win his pro card and watch his career grow into Signing with RedCon1, Podcasts, and on stage placing 3rd at the Arnold’s- Very proud. We got closer over the years, and not a week would go by without some shit talk from him. Luke was a very funny guy and his humor I will miss. We rarely talked training, and i knew Luke was a deep guy but I never knew he was hurting. Rest Well bro.
ANYONE who feels low, with suicidal thoughts or mental illness, know your never alone and to please reach out to someone and talk, there are many professional organizations that want to help.
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How did he do it? Hanging? Could it have been an accidental asphyxiation?
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How did he do it? Hanging? Could it have been an accidental asphyxiation?
How would that work?
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How did he do it? Hanging? Could it have been an accidental asphyxiation?
Bro...
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Bro...
Haha!
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Bro...
Wrong account, pammmmmmm :D
I’m drinking AMA
*nobody*
Listening to Ratt AMA
*nobody*
Listening to Pantera AMA
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How would that work?
In conjunction with masturbating?
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Very sad. His podcasts with Fouad were entertaining.
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Looks like family don't want him to be remembered as someone who ended his own life .
dude he was ….. RIP young fella
WOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Wrong account, pammmmmmm :D
I’m drinking AMA
*nobody*
Listening to Ratt AMA
*nobody*
Listening to Pantera AMA
:D
LOL I understand about 25% of this post - I'm either missing the point, or the meme, or something ;D
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Confirmed suicide.
Video link from his best friend.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_54ByJHSbe/
Notes:
squatlikechow - I don’t know if this was the right thing to do. I’m a little lost right now but something told me to protect his memory but honestly. I’m sorry if this wasn’t appropriate. I love you @lukesandoe
"He decided that was his only option... He's battled with demons. It wasnt a health issue, it wasnt a steroid issue, this is Luke Sandoe, a human being, contending with. We all have our demonds, our voices in our heads, and his demonds were bigger. It's important that we don't hide the reasons on what happened, and shed light on the reasons. Mental health is an issue we should take very serious. "
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:D
LOL I understand about 25% of this post - I'm either missing the point, or the meme, or something ;D
Haha no problem, iron brother. It’s not that important but HTH!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=663216.0
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AMA
HTH
IRL
WTF
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AMA
HTH
IRL
WTF
Bro...
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Depression is epidemic. Depressed people sometimes end their own lives because they see no way to go on. This is enormously sad. It is not something anyone should be ashamed about. Yet, there is a tendency to treat it thus. It is also one of the reasons those who need help, don't get it.
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Unbelievable, 30 years old...
Shit, I thought he was way older than that. PIP.
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I doubt roids killed him at 30.
How old was Dallas? BTW, I don't think steroids kill per se. It's just being so big as a result of steroids that kills you. Your heart has to work that much harder supporting all that unnatural muscle mass and just all that extra weight.
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He overdid his insulin injection dose and went into diabetic insulin shock. Not suicide, but a sad tragedy.
You know this how?
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That would be more of a likely scenario then suicide.
Not really. It's not that easy to die from insulin. A bodybuilder, as well as a diabetics, are very familiar with the signs of going hypo, and keep a sugar source with them. Even in a worst-case scenario where they pass out their liver and muscle dumps the stored glucose into their system and they revived feeling like shit. This has happened many times over the decades with various family members that were type 2. Say in an even worst-case scenario where you are too weak and don't wake up. You are more likely to get some brain damage than actually die.
My uncle once used the wrong type of insulin pin, or rather one with different settings, that his son picked up for him, and he gave himself ten times the dose of humalog prescribed. He passed out and hours later woke up and was able to call for help and the paramedics arrived and he was fine later that night.
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He committed suicide (end of speculation) prayers and R.I.P. Luke .... (wait until you get confirmation he did or did not do anything ..saying emphatically he did not kill Himself when you don’t know for sure .. .........
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He committed suicide (end of speculation) prayers and R.I.P. Luke .... (wait until you get confirmation he did or did not do anything ..saying emphatically he did not kill Himself when you don’t know for sure .. .........
So he did? Ron and Coach said - he did not.
J
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No matter how much it has already been said that it was not a suicide people will still speculate on suicide.
That video with his friend Ben Chow saying that was his only option in battling his demons makes even myself wonder what really happened. Mental health is truly one of the toughest things to help someone with, and you feel helpless when you don't or didn't do enough to help. Was it on purpose or accidental? Was there a note?
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That video with his best friend saying that was his only option in battling his demons makes even myself wonder what really happened. Mental health is truly one of the toughest things to help someone with, and you feel helpless when you don't or didn't do enough to help...
People don't read threads. :-\
Confirmed suicide.
Video link from his best friend.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_54ByJHSbe/
Notes:
squatlikechow - I don’t know if this was the right thing to do. I’m a little lost right now but something told me to protect his memory but honestly. I’m sorry if this wasn’t appropriate. I love you @lukesandoe
"He decided that was his only option... He's battled with demons. It wasnt a health issue, it wasnt a steroid issue, this is Luke Sandoe, a human being, contending with. We all have our demonds, our voices in our heads, and his demonds were bigger. It's important that we don't hide the reasons on what happened, and shed light on the reasons. Mental health is an issue we should take very serious. "
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Very sad. His podcasts with Fouad were entertaining.
Yes, they were. Occasionally I would listen to their “Bodybuilding & Bollocks,” and Sandoe certainly didn’t talk or sound like a person with emotional problems. He was lively and sometimes humorous.
I saw him at the Arnold Expo, must have been 2017 I think. He was not tall, about 5’7.” I thought his physique, while big, looked blocky.
If this was a suicide, and he had a child or children they will carry this tragedy into adulthood. I don’t know if he had parents or a parent but if so they will carry it the rest of their lives. He cheated himself out of a life. Selfish.
If not a suicide, terrible, terrible loss. Insulin, diuretics, mega doses, the human body can only tolerate so much.
Either way, RIP.
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That video with his friend Ben Chow saying that was his only option in battling his demons makes even myself wonder what really happened. Mental health is truly one of the toughest things to help someone with, and you feel helpless when you don't or didn't do enough to help. Was it on purpose or accidental? Was there a note?
I’m sure more details will emerge ( the thing to take away from this is.... life is precious/ family and friends are precious.. don’t wait to tell someone how much they mean to you/how much you love them! Luke from the outside had everything in the world going for him,for him to be that miserable and to leave children, his demons must have been horrendous! Everyday day is a gift ...god rest his soul
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Can we distinguish suicide by hanging versus auto-erotic asphyxiation?
I learned about a website in 2002 called SilentVictims.org about people who cut off their circulation while masturbating, and something like 5% of them die. Sounds brilliant. ::)
The problem is, then the families announce it as a suicide because they are too embarrassed to admit that their child or family member/loved one was engaging in something so moronic.
That being said, any of us could have probably died at some point from a night of drinking or something. Literally the first year I started drinking [2003 - when I was 21], I went to sleep after a night of drinking during my summer army training in Kingston, ON, and woke up covered in puke. Someone told me that I could have died, and that Jimmy Hendrix died that way. So go figure.
That being said, if anyone dies by masturbation, and he is found with his pants pulled down, I would think that shouldn't be hidden by the family. But I can see why that would be hard to deal with.
Robin Williams was actually in a movie where his son died in this fashion. There was even speculation that Williams died in this fashion. But I also heard he had just been diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease, and had to settle a huge $35 million divorce.
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Confirmed suicide.
Video link from his best friend.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_54ByJHSbe/
Notes:
squatlikechow - I don’t know if this was the right thing to do. I’m a little lost right now but something told me to protect his memory but honestly. I’m sorry if this wasn’t appropriate. I love you @lukesandoe
"He decided that was his only option... He's battled with demons. It wasnt a health issue, it wasnt a steroid issue, this is Luke Sandoe, a human being, contending with. We all have our demonds, our voices in our heads, and his demonds were bigger. It's important that we don't hide the reasons on what happened, and shed light on the reasons. Mental health is an issue we should take very serious. "
Can’t even spell demons
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Can’t even spell demons
What I gather from his post is that we all have our demonds, demons, and demonds.
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What I gather from his post is that we all have our demonds, demons, and demonds.
That’s what I gather as well Haha
Did you drop the “C” in your name? Just Matt now? :o Maybe I just noticed
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Can we distinguish suicide by hanging versus auto-erotic asphyxiation?
I learned about a website in 2002 called SilentVictims.org about people who cut off their circulation while masturbating, and something like 5% of them die. Sounds brilliant. ::)
The problem is, then the families announce it as a suicide because they are too embarrassed to admit that their child or family member/loved one was engaging in something so moronic.
That being said, any of us could have probably died at some point from a night of drinking or something. Literally the first year I started drinking [2003 - when I was 21], I went to sleep after a night of drinking during my summer army training in Kingston, ON, and woke up covered in puke. Someone told me that I could have died, and that Jimmy Hendrix died that way. So go figure.
That being said, if anyone dies by masturbation, and he is found with his pants pulled down, I would think that shouldn't be hidden by the family. But I can see why that would be hard to deal with.
Robin Williams was actually in a movie where his son died in this fashion. There was even speculation that Williams died in this fashion. But I also heard he had just been diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease, and had to settle a huge $35 million divorce.
Really?
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Very sad, depression is something individuals who suffer from it need to take serious, just a real shame that he couldn't wait out till the dark days pass as they always do,but to them who suffer the worst they just can't see that. RIP.
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Very sad, depression is something individuals who suffer from it need to take serious, just a real shame that he couldn't wait out till the dark days pass as they always do,but to them who suffer the worst they just can't see that. RIP.
Agree.
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He spoke many times on his and Fouad's podcast about the tough time he had getting over his ex. He was living with a new girl now so I thought everything was all good and he got over it. However I guess you never know what's going on inside a persons head. Robin Williams was a pretty funny, happy go lucky guy.
If he was in love with the ex then that is a loss that can hurt for years. Having a new girl helps but doesn't compensate. You literally don't want anyone else.
I am not implying that this applied to Luke, but anyone who has experienced unrequited love knows it is a terrible place to be.
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Flex Lewis
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ANYONE who feels low, with suicidal thoughts or mental illness, know your never alone and to please reach out to someone and talk, there are many professional organizations that want to help.
This x 1000
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This x 1000
People say this but when it actually comes down to it a lot of people don't wanna hear it and see it as a burden dealing with these types of situations. Even close friends.
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This x 1000
YES! And a 1,000 times a thousand yes.
It is unimaginable how deep the hole is that some unfortunate people fall into that makes them believe the only solution for them to end their emotional pain is to end their life. What they leave us with are questions, which can never be fully answered and feelings of quilt which can never be completely resolved.
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From the 2018 IFBB California State contest - always was respectful.
http://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2018/ifbb_california_state_championships/luke_sandoe/
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I didn’t want to walk to far into this, but one has to wonder. No doubt that the authorities will be conducting a investigation and be speaking to Aaron. Could you imagine if Redcon was feeding him some of those Blackstone products. Hum . . .
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Maybe he was getting supps from the same person Dallas Mccarver was getting from. So now two redcon athletes gone? definitely weird.
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From the 2018 IFBB California State contest - always was respectful.
http://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2018/ifbb_california_state_championships/luke_sandoe/
So you believe the reports that it was suicide is true?
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So you believe the reports that it was suicide is true?
I need more detailed answers on what happened, as facts matter. Only a few people really know, like James Hollingshead, but we know he passed away at age 30. How exactly, what it an accidental injection, insulin shock, or something else, I don't know. His friends are saying he had mental health issues, as we have read, some are saying suicide, but until we have more facts, I don't want to believe that because it hurts. Was there anything that someone could of done?
From experience, I know that good friends with demons and issues is so very hard to help them out of it. I feel for the family, and especially the kids.
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People say this but when it actually comes down to it a lot of people don't wanna hear it and see it as a burden dealing with these types of situations. Even close friends.
I’m not an expert on depression but I’ve dealt with and at times still deal with it. It’s a matter of recognizing it and learning to cope.
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I need more detailed answers on what happened, as facts matter. Only a few people really know, but we know he passed away at age 30. How exactly, what it an accidental injection, insulin shock, or something else, I don't know. His friends are saying he had mental health issues, as we have read, some are saying suicide, but until we have more facts, I don't want to believe that because it hurts. Was there anything that someone could of done?
From experience, I know that good friends with demons and issues is so very hard to help them out of it. I feel for the family, and especially the kids.
These are the feelings and the haunting questions which are always left behind someone's suicide. What did I miss? Was there something I could have done? Maybe this helps explain why many of us have the tendency to look for some other reason for their passing. Almost anything would hurt less. This is most true for those who were closest to the deceased.
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I’m not an expert on depression but I’ve dealt with and at times still deal with it. It’s a matter of recognizing it and learning to cope.
If you are speaking about yourself, I am glad that you've learned to cope. Keep in mind that you are not alone and while coping is great, healing can be even better, be it with medication, therapy or both.
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RIP I honestly thought he was a future Arnold champion possibly top 3 Olympia contender.
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Very sad, depression is something individuals who suffer from it need to take serious, just a real shame that he couldn't wait out till the dark days pass as they always do,but to them who suffer the worst they just can't see that. RIP.
The Dark days don’t aiways pass for everyone they just get darker - If he wasn’t seeking Help
And or taking any medication, it Likely became to much for him. Very very sad he decided that
He couldn’t continue/ cope anymore. A lot more research & understanding needed with dealing
With depression.
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I’m not an expert on depression but I’ve dealt with and at times still deal with it. It’s a matter of recognizing it and learning to cope.
Well said coach - it’s taken me very many years to recognise & accept it.
It was Getting very very dark for me - Something happened to me that thankfully shock me into
Really looking at myself & asking myself some deep question- I sought out help & it’s helped me no end - compared to even 4/5 months ago I’m in a much better brighter place, Thankfully.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever be rid of it Completely - though I’m certainly much more aware & will deal with it much sooner if it returns. For me I accept it’s an on going battle to keep my mind from becoming depressed.
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Well said coach - it’s taken me very many years to recognise & accept it.
It was Getting very very dark for me - Something happened to me that thankfully shock me into
Really looking at myself & asking myself some deep question- I sought out help & it’s helped me no end - compared to even 4/5 months ago I’m in a much better brighter place, Thankfully.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever be rid of it Completely - though I’m certainly much more aware & will deal with it much sooner if it returns. For me I accept it’s an on going battle to keep my mind from becoming depressed.
This subject came up from Luke’s death and not trying to make this about me, but we are talking about a serious mental condition. I’ve dealt with death a lot just from my father and other family members that have passed, we all have to deal it. But yesterday was a very traumatic day that likely triggered other traumatic events from my past and one that’s vivid to me from 33 years ago everyday. It’s set me back mentally that I’m struggling with.
When I heard about Luke’s mental condition (depression is a condition) and that it could (not verified) have been suicide because of it. You just never know
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Everybody has there ups and downs. I've been through some pretty low points in my life. Being homeless and living on the beach and I've thought many times about just offing myself. I mean, sometimes it just doesn't seem to be worth the trouble. But like King Solomon said, "This too shall pass." Nothing lasts forever even life itself and as you get older you realize just how short life is. How quickly the years pass. So I figure I'll just stick it out until the bitter end. Also, it's important to consider how you killing yourself will affect others. Especially if you have kids. What about your mother and father and your friends and relatives? Have them feeling like they wish they could have done something.
Death is easy. It'll come soon enough. It's sticking it out that's the hard part. If you try to make other people's lives better then it will give purpose to your own.
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I didn’t realize he had kids. I don’t get how you can off yourself when you have kids. I know people will jump all over me for this but I don’t care how bleak things are, leaving behind kids like that is the most selfish act possible. If you’re “sick” get help. And don’t tell me he couldn’t think rationally b/c of his mental illness. He was rational enough to make plenty of other adult decisions.
You're right, you don't get it.
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Can we distinguish suicide by hanging versus auto-erotic asphyxiation?
I learned about a website in 2002 called SilentVictims.org about people who cut off their circulation while masturbating, and something like 5% of them die. Sounds brilliant. ::)
The problem is, then the families announce it as a suicide because they are too embarrassed to admit that their child or family member/loved one was engaging in something so moronic.
That being said, any of us could have probably died at some point from a night of drinking or something. Literally the first year I started drinking [2003 - when I was 21], I went to sleep after a night of drinking during my summer army training in Kingston, ON, and woke up covered in puke. Someone told me that I could have died, and that Jimmy Hendrix died that way. So go figure.
That being said, if anyone dies by masturbation, and he is found with his pants pulled down, I would think that shouldn't be hidden by the family. But I can see why that would be hard to deal with.
Robin Williams was actually in a movie where his son died in this fashion. There was even speculation that Williams died in this fashion. But I also heard he had just been diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease, and had to settle a huge $35 million divorce.
WTF Matt hahahaha #michaelhutchencedisease
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In before Aaron starts another charity for kids in his honor.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/luke-sandoe-tribute-fund
Very sad for a family to lose such a young dad. :'(
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Can we distinguish suicide by hanging versus auto-erotic asphyxiation?
I learned about a website in 2002 called SilentVictims.org about people who cut off their circulation while masturbating, and something like 5% of them die. Sounds brilliant. ::)
The problem is, then the families announce it as a suicide because they are too embarrassed to admit that their child or family member/loved one was engaging in something so moronic.
That being said, any of us could have probably died at some point from a night of drinking or something. Literally the first year I started drinking [2003 - when I was 21], I went to sleep after a night of drinking during my summer army training in Kingston, ON, and woke up covered in puke. Someone told me that I could have died, and that Jimmy Hendrix died that way. So go figure.
That being said, if anyone dies by masturbation, and he is found with his pants pulled down, I would think that shouldn't be hidden by the family. But I can see why that would be hard to deal with.
Robin Williams was actually in a movie where his son died in this fashion. There was even speculation that Williams died in this fashion. But I also heard he had just been diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease, and had to settle a huge $35 million divorce.
Robin Willians did not have Parkinson’s .
He was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia.
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Only Luke knows why (like, its not just one thing ie. "the ex-wife", etc).
Its a longtime ongoing mental issue. He was one of the few like-able guys in the game/sport/thongfest. Suicides are up big-time since Covid-quarantine began.
(But whatever makes others "feel safe" right)? Hoax.
(People alone with their feelings of anxiety, depression, loneliness and so on). Its not selfish like one retard here said, just another comment by those who know noting of the illness.
Quite the personality and a great guy to those who have known and met him, RIP.
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His poor kids. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They, and everyone who chooses to stick around and be part of their lives, will have to live with the legacy of this. They are the real victims here.
If you have enough wherewithal to pursue a bodybuilding/fitness industry career complete with endorsements and constant media appearances you should be with it enough to pause for a moment and seek help some help. That should be your priority in life not swaggering around like some F list celebrity.
I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this opinion but that’s just the world we live in today where everything is somebody else’s fault, no one is weak - just sick, and the government is responsible, not you, for keeping you safe and sound.
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Has to be something really messed up in your mind if you choose to take your own life. Was he on some drugs/medication?(other than AAS)?
I know going off steroids can(or will rather) really drop your mood and wellbeing, and I know there has been many cases of suicides from guys going off completly.. But i doubt he was off I mean he still had size and strength.
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Bro...
Bro . . .
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His poor kids. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They, and everyone who chooses to stick around and be part of their lives, will have to live with the legacy of this. They are the real victims here.
If you have enough wherewithal to pursue a bodybuilding/fitness industry career complete with endorsements and constant media appearances you should be with it enough to pause for a moment and seek help some help. That should be your priority in life not swaggering around like some F list celebrity.
I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this opinion but that’s just the world we live in today where everything is somebody else’s fault, no one is weak - just sick, and the government is responsible, not you, for keeping you safe and sound.
Lots of assumptions here howabout we try to be respectful about it.
We do not know the state he was in, maybe he did seek out help (that doesnt come with a guarantee that it will work).
You cannot expect somebody to be himself when he's not himself.
I can think of quite a few situations where people act the way they do because the situation they are in leaves no other alternatives.
I'm thinking somebody who kill himself may be in mental state and such severe pain that they'll do anything just to make it stop.
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Suicide is seen as an honorable way to die in some cultures (like the samurai). There are worse ways to go than going out on your own terms.
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He was seeing a therapist once a week he discussed in a recent podcast, he touches on he was about to possibly start an SSRI.
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His poor kids. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They, and everyone who chooses to stick around and be part of their lives, will have to live with the legacy of this. They are the real victims here.
If you have enough wherewithal to pursue a bodybuilding/fitness industry career complete with endorsements and constant media appearances you should be with it enough to pause for a moment and seek help some help. That should be your priority in life not swaggering around like some F list celebrity.
I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this opinion but that’s just the world we live in today where everything is somebody else’s fault, no one is weak - just sick, and the government is responsible, not you, for keeping you safe and sound.
My ex long term girlfriends father killed himself when she was young ( he had a very serious illness) and it's true, such an act will be a defining feature of his children's lives....
It's no joke, the effect it will have on his family for the rest of their lives.
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His poor kids. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They, and everyone who chooses to stick around and be part of their lives, will have to live with the legacy of this. They are the real victims here.
If you have enough wherewithal to pursue a bodybuilding/fitness industry career complete with endorsements and constant media appearances you should be with it enough to pause for a moment and seek help some help. That should be your priority in life not swaggering around like some F list celebrity.
I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this opinion but that’s just the world we live in today where everything is somebody else’s fault, no one is weak - just sick, and the government is responsible, not you, for keeping you safe and sound.
You’re entitled to you’re opinion.
And in some way I Agree & Understand where you’re coming from,
And even many with deep depression may agree - Though its a whole different thing
For each sufferer & an internal fight in your own mind.
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My nephew by marriage blew his brains out at age 26 over a woman who jilted him.
Kid was on a losing track in life and she put him over the edge.
It could have all been different if he made better choices.
Some people just keep making bad decisions and dig a deeper hole. They don't learn from mistakes.
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Haha no problem, iron brother. It’s not that important but HTH!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=663216.0
OK, now I get it! ;D
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AMA
HTH
IRL
WTF
Bro...
OMG - LOL
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Lots of assumptions here howabout we try to be respectful about it.
We do not know the state he was in, maybe he did seek out help (that doesnt come with a guarantee that it will work).
You cannot expect somebody to be himself when he's not himself.
I can think of quite a few situations where people act the way they do because the situation they are in leaves no other alternatives.
I'm thinking somebody who kill himself may be in mental state and such severe pain that they'll do anything just to make it stop.
This is a good post.
I've been down that hole and you're spot on in everything you said there.
What I really like about what you said is that you don't sound like you've been there, yet, you're able to not write a fuckwit post about what he should have been doing. Congratulations. You must have a well formed ability to comprehend being in someone else's shoes.
I'm glad for the fellow. Maybe he could have eventually got out of his hole, maybe not. Either way, he got to peace.
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He must have been in tremendous pain, that seems certain. I doubt he thought he wanted to hurt his family or wanted to take the easy way out.
Lots of retards commenting, like this fool
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I was in a bad place myself last year, looking back I really had no reason to be, I kept a journal of how I felt every day, when I look back and read it now I cant even believe I wrote some of the things I wrote
Depression is a strange beast..
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Bonac shouldn't even address that shit...^
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From Aaron Singerman and Eric Hart - donating $25K to the Luke's children
When I first spoke with @lukesandoe I was impressed with his professionalism, sincerity, and his attitude. He didn’t tell me how great he was, or how huge a difference he was going to make for @redcon1 - instead he asked me to let him PROVE how valuable he would be. He wanted to show me that he could be of value before he asked me for anything significant. I always remember that first conversation and use it as an example of how to be. Prove your worth, THEN ask.
Luke told me many times how he didn’t want to disappoint me, and how it was important to him that i felt like he did a good job. I never got a chance to tell him just how good a job he did. Everyone at the office, including me, loved Luke, and not only felt proud of him but we were proud to have him on the team. Please watch this video and honor Luke with remembering him fondly. I am a believer that you only truly die when no one remembers you, and speaks about you with kindness and revery. Luke’s legacy is even bigger than he was, and he will live on through us for generations.
@redcon1 has decided to donate $25,000 to the children of @lukesandoe - please support the @fouadabiad @squatlikechow go fund me and help his family! http://gf.me/u/xz8s8i
https://www.facebook.com/aaron.singerman/videos/10163698998845089/?t=0
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:'(
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From Aaron Singerman and Eric Hart - donating $25K to the Luke's children
When I first spoke with @lukesandoe I was impressed with his professionalism, sincerity, and his attitude. He didn’t tell me how great he was, or how huge a difference he was going to make for @redcon1 - instead he asked me to let him PROVE how valuable he would be. He wanted to show me that he could be of value before he asked me for anything significant. I always remember that first conversation and use it as an example of how to be. Prove your worth, THEN ask.
Luke told me many times how he didn’t want to disappoint me, and how it was important to him that i felt like he did a good job. I never got a chance to tell him just how good a job he did. Everyone at the office, including me, loved Luke, and not only felt proud of him but we were proud to have him on the team. Please watch this video and honor Luke with remembering him fondly. I am a believer that you only truly die when no one remembers you, and speaks about you with kindness and revery. Luke’s legacy is even bigger than he was, and he will live on through us for generations.
@redcon1 has decided to donate $25,000 to the children of @lukesandoe - please support the @fouadabiad @squatlikechow go fund me and help his family! http://gf.me/u/xz8s8i
https://www.facebook.com/aaron.singerman/videos/10163698998845089/?t=0
Thats a hell of a gesture by Aaron. Props
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Robin Willians did not have Parkinson’s .
He was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia.
I didn't know that. I had read other information at the time:
https://time.com/3114167/michael-j-fox-stunned-to-hear-about-robin-williams-parkinsons-diagnosis
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-fox-stunned-robin-williams-parkinsons-diagnosis/story?id=24988230
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-j-fox-stunned-by-robin-williams-parkinsons-disease-diagnosis
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michael-j-fox-stunned-to-learn-friend-robin-williams-had-parkinsons-disease-9670680.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-j-fox-stunned-by-robin-williams-parkinsons-2014-8
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/michael-j-fox-robin-williams-parkinsons-disease_n_5680910
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I didn't know that. I had read other information at the time:
https://time.com/3114167/michael-j-fox-stunned-to-hear-about-robin-williams-parkinsons-diagnosis
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-fox-stunned-robin-williams-parkinsons-diagnosis/story?id=24988230
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-j-fox-stunned-by-robin-williams-parkinsons-disease-diagnosis
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michael-j-fox-stunned-to-learn-friend-robin-williams-had-parkinsons-disease-9670680.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-j-fox-stunned-by-robin-williams-parkinsons-2014-8
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/michael-j-fox-robin-williams-parkinsons-disease_n_5680910
An autopsy of his brain revealed it was Lewy Body Dementia:
"In the months before his death, Robin Williams was besieged by paranoia and so confused he couldn’t remember his lines while filming a movie, as his brain was ambushed by what doctors later identified as an unusually severe case of Lewy body dementia.
Robin was losing his mind and he was aware of it. Can you imagine the pain he felt as he experienced himself disintegrating?” the actor’s widow, Susan Schneider Williams, wrote in a wrenching editorial published this week in the journal Neurology."
"We all knew Robin Williams. From Mork and Mindy to the Dead Poet's Society and Mrs. Doubtfire, he was both a great dramatic and comedic actor who also invaded our lives with frenetic late night television interviews. He died in an unexpected and sad way. And only then did we find that he suffered from Lewy Body dementia (LBD). After many months, his widow Susan Williams broke her silence to explain how his disease affected both their lives."
"Although actor Robin Williams died by suicide, the underlying cause of his death was a rare brain disease called Lewy body dementia, according to his widow. The disease caused Williams to experience hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression, Susan Schneider Williams, widow of the late actor, told People magazine in a recent interview. An autopsy released in 2014 confirmed that the actor had the disease, but this is the first time that his condition has been discussed in detail."
"Williams was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease a few months before he died; the telltale signs of Lewy body dementia in his brain were not discovered until an autopsy."
"There are two diagnoses of LBD—dementia with Lewy bodies (DLB) and Parkinson's disease dementia. The earliest signs differ but reflect the same biological changes in the brain. Over time, people with dementia with Lewy bodies or Parkinson's disease dementia may develop similar symptoms."
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Thats a hell of a gesture by Aaron. Props
Great gesture. Many supp-company owners wouldn't (and havent) done that.
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Kudos to Singerman for donating $25000 to such a great charity. He's still a sleazebag but even sleazebags do good things from time to time I guess.
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An autopsy of his brain revealed it was Lewy Body Dementia:
"In the months before his death, Robin Williams was besieged by paranoia and so confused he couldn’t remember his lines while filming a movie, as his brain was ambushed by what doctors later identified as an unusually severe case of Lewy body dementia.
Robin was losing his mind and he was aware of it. Can you imagine the pain he felt as he experienced himself disintegrating?” the actor’s widow, Susan Schneider Williams, wrote in a wrenching editorial published this week in the journal Neurology."
"We all knew Robin Williams. From Mork and Mindy to the Dead Poet's Society and Mrs. Doubtfire, he was both a great dramatic and comedic actor who also invaded our lives with frenetic late night television interviews. He died in an unexpected and sad way. And only then did we find that he suffered from Lewy Body dementia (LBD). After many months, his widow Susan Williams broke her silence to explain how his disease affected both their lives."
"Although actor Robin Williams died by suicide, the underlying cause of his death was a rare brain disease called Lewy body dementia, according to his widow. The disease caused Williams to experience hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression, Susan Schneider Williams, widow of the late actor, told People magazine in a recent interview. An autopsy released in 2014 confirmed that the actor had the disease, but this is the first time that his condition has been discussed in detail."
"Williams was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease a few months before he died; the telltale signs of Lewy body dementia in his brain were not discovered until an autopsy."
"There are two diagnoses of LBD—dementia with Lewy bodies (DLB) and Parkinson's disease dementia. The earliest signs differ but reflect the same biological changes in the brain. Over time, people with dementia with Lewy bodies or Parkinson's disease dementia may develop similar symptoms."
Yes. Apparently that was the case.
At the time, I had read other information. When I went to look for that information, I realized that it was widely circulated at the time, as well.
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Kudos to Singerman for donating $25000 to such a great charity. He's still a sleazebag but even sleazebags do good things from time to time I guess.
Kinda sums it up for me too.
J
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Kudos to Singerman for donating $25000 to such a great charity. He's still a sleazebag but even sleazebags do good things from time to time I guess.
I'm not disputing that, but I wish people would actually explain why someone is something bad, rather than just asserting it.
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Kudos to Singerman for donating $25000 to such a great charity. He's still a sleazebag but even sleazebags do good things from time to time I guess.
$25K ain't sh-t for his kids. If he is that 'rich', Singerman needs to be contributing $100K for each kid. Let's hope Luke had life insurance. Where are all the schmoes now? I would also go after his analyst / 'shrink'. His suicidal ideation should have been picked up.
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I'm not disputing that, but I wish people would actually explain why someone is something bad, rather than just asserting it.
Making false assertions to sell useless supplements to suckers?
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Singer man gets off cheap, he signed Luke to a 5 year deal I'm assuming anywhere from 75,000-100,000 a year. Plus he can wrote that 25,000 off.
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Robin Willians did not have Parkinson’s .
He was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia.
Lewy body dementia is a killer disease. So is Parkinson's. The symptoms of each one are very similar, but occur in a different order. Both can cause hallucinations and delusions. Both affect motor skills.
My sister-in-law died of complications caused by Lewy body dementia about 4 years after she was diagnosed with Lewy body disease.
People with Parkinson's can survive for a very long time, sometimes decades.
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Lewy body dementia is a killer disease. So is Parkinson's. The symptoms of each one are very similar, but occur in a different order. Both can cause hallucinations and delusions. Both affect motor skills.
My sister-in-law died of complications caused by Lewy body dementia about 4 years after she was diagnosed with Lewy body disease.
People with Parkinson's can survive for a very long time, sometimes decades.
Yep, Michael J Fox
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Singer man gets off cheap, he signed Luke to a 5 year deal I'm assuming anywhere from 75,000-100,000 a year. Plus he can wrote that 25,000 off.
Singerman is slick, he knows what he’s doing
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Singerman is slick, he knows what he’s doing
He's the Red Conman.
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At least they have raised just over 80,000 for Luke's GoFundMe. The goal is 100,000.
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$25K ain't sh-t for his kids. If he is that 'rich', Singerman needs to be contributing $100K for each kid. Let's hope Luke had life insurance. Where are all the schmoes now? I would also go after his analyst / 'shrink'. His suicidal ideation should have been picked up.
Fuck that,no one is responsible for someone killing themselves unless they urged you to do it.That is ones own decision and it’s not an easy one to make,people say you are weak to commit suicide I say you have to be a beast to do that.also why is it Singermans responsibility to support his kids?If he killed himself he should of had all that in order.not attacking you just saying how I feel.
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$25K ain't sh-t for his kids. If he is that 'rich', Singerman needs to be contributing $100K for each kid. Let's hope Luke had life insurance. Where are all the schmoes now? I would also go after his analyst / 'shrink'. His suicidal ideation should have been picked up.
Maybe he's not that rich. Still, that's $25,000 more than you have given. Sorry if this seems like an attack but I don't like it when someone does something good but another person who does nothing yet criticizes that person because he feels it wasn't good enough. I guess we can all do more, but we don't. Props to those that do.
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If your entire life is based on looks and you don't like what you see in the mirror of what passes for your soul, you may well take your own life.
I have known several people that have done so. For those that are Christian/Catholic and think that suicide is a "mortal" sin, worry not.
Keep in mind that Samson could not have taken his own life if God had not given him the physical strength to do so. And what of Saul, who fell on his sword rather than let the Philistines take the life of the Lord's anointed?
I tend to think that Robin Williams took his own life because the women in his life had already taken (via the corrupt court system) everything else. But this young man?
Who knows? Steroids certainly intercourse the crap out of your mind, especially so at the retarded levels these so called bodybuilders have been taking for years now. Think of it this way. At least he did not take anyone with him as is so often the case with those that go out via suicide by cop. Yes, his family suffers but at least no one else's family suffers and wonders just what their loved one(s) did to deserve death by the hands of a stranger.
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$25K ain't sh-t for his kids. If he is that 'rich', Singerman needs to be contributing $100K for each kid. Let's hope Luke had life insurance. Where are all the schmoes now? I would also go after his analyst / 'shrink'. His suicidal ideation should have been picked up.
How do you know he had an analyst?
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Do you guys think the lockdown may have been a factor, not saying committed suicide because of Corona, but if there was no lockdown he would have been training for the British Grand Prix. His focus would be on something rather then just being locked down dealing with his demons.
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Most of the time when someone who we were close to, such as a family member or a good friend dies, it leaves us with a sense of loss. Most of the time there is a reason for their passing, such as when people die from an illness (natural cause), accidentally or as a result of violence. When a person takes their own life, it leaves us with nothing but unanswered questions.
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Do you guys think the lockdown may have been a factor, not saying committed suicide because of Corona, but if there was no lockdown he would have been training for the British Grand Prix. His focus would be on something rather then just being locked down dealing with his demons.
it definitely did not help the situation! (He wasn’t training for the first month and a half ...all that free/idle time without a focus is not good esp for someone who is depressed/mentally having issues!
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Most of the time when someone who we were close to, such as a family member or a good friend dies, it leaves us with a sense of loss. Most of the time there is a reason for their passing, such as when people die from an illness (natural cause), accidentally or as a result of violence. When a person takes their own life, it leaves us with nothing but unanswered questions.
That’s an interesting question. Of course, it’s not root cause. But we all have working out addiction, and for many that includes competition addiction, especially if you’re a pro in the prime of your “career”. Having all that pulled away and up in the air could sure be a straw that breaks the back.
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Singer man gets off cheap, he signed Luke to a 5 year deal I'm assuming anywhere from 75,000-100,000 a year. Plus he can wrote that 25,000 off.
In Canada, a tax write-off means we aren't taxed on that amount of our income. It's not like it means we save that total amount on taxes.
It would just mean, on the high-end [in Canada, at least], that he would say 49% on that $25,000 [or whatever the highest tax bracket percentage is here].
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Singerman is slick, he knows what he’s doing
Dollars to donuts he had comprehensive life insurance policies taken out on Luke. RIPPIP.
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Singerman is slick, he knows what he’s doing
Not all vultures have wings. His kind gorge themselves on carrion at every chance.
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How do you know he had an analyst?
Geez...I don't think you truly know what the word "analyst" means, hence your unabashed and highly priapic curiosity.
It's Friday, kiddo.
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2:05:00 and onwards he talks about his mental issues. Apparently he got on SSRI's recently which can increase suicidal thoughts among other things.
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Geez...I don't think you truly know what the word "analyst" means, hence your unabashed and highly priapic curiosity.
It's Friday, kiddo.
Geez...I don't think I was conversing with you, hence your irrelevant remark which reveals that you are seriouly afflicted with HOCD. Best make an appointment with an analyst as soon as possible.
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Geez...I don't think I was conversing with you, hence your irrelevant remark which reveals that you are seriouly afflicted with HOCD. Best make an appointment with an analyst as soon as possible.
You truly are, The Manholelorian. Or are you just filling in...
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:'(
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:'(
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With Cedric and Patrick Moore (don’t know the contest):
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:'(
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Can’t tell if this is a Redcon1 product:
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This shirt is a Redcon1 product:
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Looks like they will meet the GoFundMe goal, currently at about 90,000 of 100,000 goal.
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When news broke Singerman came on and wrote, in all caps, "IT WAS NOT SUICIDE". If he really thought that or if he wanted to protect his brand... who knows. I'm of the opinion that charity should be practised in private, otherwise it's like those pharisees praying on the street corner the bible talks about. Everyone was already expecting Singerman to donate to the family so he had no choise anyway.
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2:07:30 He talks about his mental issues. Apparently he got on SSRI's recently which can increase suicidal thoughts among other things.
Antidepressants can increase the incidence of suicide especially at the start of treatment. It's interesting because actually lifting the depression also reduces inhibitions so you may get "the strength" to go through with the suicide. When really depressed you may be "too weak" to go through with it.
I have also read that suicides can be an impulsive act, suddenly you just do it without major planning.
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Can’t tell if this is a Redcon1 product:
he was with granite supps and iron rebel (both by john meadows) before he joins deadcon1
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Fuck that,no one is responsible for someone killing themselves unless they urged you to do it.That is ones own decision and it’s not an easy one to make,people say you are weak to commit suicide I say you have to be a beast to do that.also why is it Singermans responsibility to support his kids?If he killed himself he should of had all that in order.not attacking you just saying how I feel.
The 25k is most likely the upper limit of what he can write off as a taxable donation.
J
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Antidepressants can increase the incidence of suicide especially at the start of treatment. It's interesting because actually lifting the depression also reduces inhibitions so you may get "the strength" to go through with the suicide. When really depressed you may be "too weak" to go through with it.
I have also read that suicides can be an impulsive act, suddenly you just do it without major planning.
Let’s not fail to acknowledge the fact that most bb’s have mental issues. Picture force feeding one’s self and taking drugs purchased from unreliable underground sources for the sole purpose of changing the way we look. Pretty fucked up. Just look at where our sport has gone . . . 77 Mr. O ( and others ) all competitors came out in silhouette, each with a distinctive shape, now (just look at the YouTube image a page back - you could interchange Luke’s head on the others body ( is it fouad ? ) and you can’t tell the difference.
Totally fucked.
J
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Antidepressants can increase the incidence of suicide especially at the start of treatment. It's interesting because actually lifting the depression also reduces inhibitions so you may get "the strength" to go through with the suicide. When really depressed you may be "too weak" to go through with it.
I have also read that suicides can be an impulsive act, suddenly you just do it without major planning.
Psyche drugs are the worst thing a person can do to fight depression. The fact that psychiatry is allowed to prescribe these drugs even to children is criminal.
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Psyche drugs are the worst thing a person can do to fight depression. The fact that psychiatry is allowed to prescribe these drugs even to children is criminal.
??? That sounds very intelligent. His family needs to sue the shrink and not for SSRIs. Negligence on the part of his psych doctor for not recognising the severity of his depression was committed-- failure to diagnose severity of the condition. There is more $$$ in that than Singerman's pittance or the 'go fund me' direction. What are the schmoes contributing to the cause?
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??? That sounds very intelligent. His family needs to sue the shrink and not for SSRIs. Negligence on the part of his psych doctor for not recognising the severity of his depression was committed-- failure to diagnose severity of the condition. There is more $$$ in that than Singerman's pittance or the 'go fund me' direction. What are the schmoes contributing to the cause?
Do some research on how many on SSRI's commit suicide every year. Does it ever strike you as odd that mental illness increases more and more every year?
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Dollars to donuts he had comprehensive life insurance policies taken out on Luke. RIPPIP.
Very doubtful a life policy could be written on Sandcoe.
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??? That sounds very intelligent. His family needs to sue the shrink and not for SSRIs. Negligence on the part of his psych doctor for not recognising the severity of his depression was committed-- failure to diagnose severity of the condition. There is more $$$ in that than Singerman's pittance or the 'go fund me' direction. What are the schmoes contributing to the cause?
No psychiatrist would ever go into practice if he faced a lawsuit from the families of patients who commit suicide. It’s a self-selected subset of the suicide prone they are dealing with.
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Does anyone have any actual information on the means and methods of death? Autopsy?
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His friend Ben explains he was not a person that could handle being alone very well. So the whole social isolation/lockdown thing probably didn't make better for his psyche.
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Lewy body dementia is a killer disease. So is Parkinson's. The symptoms of each one are very similar, but occur in a different order. Both can cause hallucinations and delusions. Both affect motor skills.
My sister-in-law died of complications caused by Lewy body dementia about 4 years after she was diagnosed with Lewy body disease.
People with Parkinson's can survive for a very long time, sometimes decades.
Yeah, most of the neurological disorders suck.
My biggest fears are cancer and neurological diseases (Parkinson, ALS, MS, etc).
Sorry to hear about your sister-in-law. Stinks :'( :'(
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Do you guys think the lockdown may have been a factor, not saying committed suicide because of Corona, but if there was no lockdown he would have been training for the British Grand Prix. His focus would be on something rather then just being locked down dealing with his demons.
Judging by how it has affected me I would say most definitely.
RIP to Luke Sandoe :'(
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Depression = mental weakness
RIP
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Psyche drugs are the worst thing a person can do to fight depression. The fact that psychiatry is allowed to prescribe these drugs even to children is criminal.
Are you against any and all "substances" that affect your mood, or are you against a certain subset of psych drugs?
Playing with your brain chemistry can be perilous but I'm mostly for it in principle. Psych drugs can and do save a lot of lives, though of course some feel the mentally ill shouldn't be saved with drugs.
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RIP bro. Depression is no joke, it's like a silent killer, a darkness of the mind, poor soul...The coronavirus crisis and social distancing can make some just ''snap''
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Let’s not fail to acknowledge the fact that most bb’s have mental issues. Picture force feeding one’s self and taking drugs purchased from unreliable underground sources for the sole purpose of changing the way we look. Pretty fucked up. Just look at where our sport has gone . . . 77 Mr. O ( and others ) all competitors came out in silhouette, each with a distinctive shape, now (just look at the YouTube image a page back - you could interchange Luke’s head on the others body ( is it fouad ? ) and you can’t tell the difference.
Totally fucked.
J
Most people in general have mental issues. Again, it’s a matter of realizing it and coping with it.
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Most people in general have mental issues. Again, it’s a matter of realizing it and coping with it.
I agree
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Do some research on how many on SSRI's commit suicide every year. Does it ever strike you as odd that mental illness increases more and more every year?
It does not seem odd to me that the number of people identifying with mental illness increases. Not that long ago, people who were ill and their families hid it because it was something they were ashamed of. This has changed. More people who need it are seeking help.
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Most people in general have mental issues. Again, it’s a matter of realizing it and coping with it.
Agreed, 100%
I suffered (still suffer) with mental challenges - constant internal dialogues, over analyzing of comments people make, or their tone, fuck it destroyed my life. I drank for YEARS, to slow my mind down, I drank to the point where for the last 5 years I was drinking 30 cans of BudLight and a small 1/2 pint of vodka every day. I held down jobs, attended school etc. The alcohol destroyed my body, I had constant gout, high blood pressure etc.
This morning at 5:30 am in the pouring cold rain I set a new personal best running, my life has totally changed and I owe it in part to marijuana edibles. I eat 100mg per day ( I break it down in 25 or 50 mg - 4 to 2 times a day ) and my mind is calm, I focus on positive things, stretch and enjoy life. I am not advocating use of marijuana for anyone at all and I don't think anyone under 21 should use it. It costs me $3.00 a day and It has changed my life ( 3 years 5 months without a drop ) and the cessation of drinking was natural - I just stopped drinking.
J
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Are you against any and all "substances" that affect your mood, or are you against a certain subset of psych drugs?
Playing with your brain chemistry can be perilous but I'm mostly for it in principle. Psych drugs can and do save a lot of lives, though of course some feel the mentally ill shouldn't be saved with drugs.
You are right that playing with brain chemistry can be perilous but I don't know about them saving lots of lives. Many people's lives are completely destroyed by them even if they don't commit suicide.
I worked for a company that had an onsite doctor and he prescribed Xanax to every person who saw him for any kind of stress or depression issues. Within a few months half of the women in the company were on them. These were women who were single mothers, no man, some working 2 jobs and getting 5 or 6 hours of sleep a night. They needed a change of lifestyle not drugs.
If a homeopathic doctor opened a clinic that prescribed herbs and talk therapy treated 100 patients and 1 died he would be put out of business, sued and probably sent to prison for practicing medicine without a license. A psychiatrist can treat 100 people, 5 can kill themselves, 15 more can go crazy and 20 more can get worse and nothing happens because he is licensed.
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Agreed, 100%
I suffered (still suffer) with mental challenges - constant internal dialogues, over analyzing of comments people make, or their tone, fuck it destroyed my life. I drank for YEARS, to slow my mind down, I drank to the point where for the last 5 years I was drinking 30 cans of BudLight and a small 1/2 pint of vodka every day. I held down jobs, attended school etc. The alcohol destroyed my body, I had constant gout, high blood pressure etc.
This morning at 5:30 am in the pouring cold rain I set a new personal best running, my life has totally changed and I owe it in part to marijuana edibles. I eat 100mg per day ( I break it down in 25 or 50 mg - 4 to 2 times a day ) and my mind is calm, I focus on positive things, stretch and enjoy life. I am not advocating use of marijuana for anyone at all and I don't think anyone under 21 should use it. It costs me $3.00 a day and It has changed my life ( 3 years 5 months without a drop ) and the cessation of drinking was natural - I just stopped drinking.
J
Great - That’s some very positive news
Glad to hear it’s helped you no end.
Maybe I should get some & give them a try.
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Serious offer - I can send you a few samples if you are interested- no strings attached.
PM me if you are interested.
Best,
J
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Serious offer - I can send you a few samples if you are interested- no strings attached.
PM me if you are interested.
Best,
J
Marijuana edibles and oils have risks as well. Using it even as prescribed, can cause severe migraines. Everything we put into our bodies carries some risk. I've tried prescription meds only to discover that the side effects were worse than the condition they were prescribed for. Case in point is Proscar, which my urologist prescribed and which I took for many years only to find out too late that it was causing me problems. Another long-term medication I was on Trazodone, was fixing one thing while causing another. Getting off of it was a bitch.
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Marijuana edibles and oils have risks as well. Using it even as prescribed, can cause severe migraines. Everything we put into our bodies carries some risk. I've tried prescription meds only to discover that the side effects were worse than the condition they were prescribed for. Case in point is Proscar, which my urologist prescribed and which I took for many years only to find out too late that it was causing me problems. Another long-term medication I was on Trazodone, was fixing one thing while causing another. Getting off of it was a bitch.
You are correct, they do and as you have indicated most things do. I believe in micro dosing - very small doses 10-15 mgs to start .
J
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Agreed, 100%
I suffered (still suffer) with mental challenges - constant internal dialogues, over analyzing of comments people make, or their tone, fuck it destroyed my life. I drank for YEARS, to slow my mind down, I drank to the point where for the last 5 years I was drinking 30 cans of BudLight and a small 1/2 pint of vodka every day. I held down jobs, attended school etc. The alcohol destroyed my body, I had constant gout, high blood pressure etc.
This morning at 5:30 am in the pouring cold rain I set a new personal best running, my life has totally changed and I owe it in part to marijuana edibles. I eat 100mg per day ( I break it down in 25 or 50 mg - 4 to 2 times a day ) and my mind is calm, I focus on positive things, stretch and enjoy life. I am not advocating use of marijuana for anyone at all and I don't think anyone under 21 should use it. It costs me $3.00 a day and It has changed my life ( 3 years 5 months without a drop ) and the cessation of drinking was natural - I just stopped drinking.
J
I haven’t told many people and since we’re talking about Luke’s (among others) depression but on Wednesday I encountered a traumatic experience that triggered several other traumatic experiences from my past including one that happened 33 years ago that’s still very vivid almost on a daily basis...
A surfer died in the water on Wednesday morning in front of my house, we tried to save him but failed. We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there floating past the breakwater, there were already two surfers out there, I swam out to help pull We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there for floating, pulled him in and started CPR until the lifeguards, paramedics and police came...we lost him.
We worked on him for about 20-30min even while the lifeguards, paramedics and police were there. We knew he was probably gone before we pulled him to shore. We were essentially working on a deceased man but still kept trying.
33 years ago I was working at a Chinese, Vietnamese and Korean night club in LA, it was a neutral zone for rival Asian gangs. Security consisted of off duty cops, all armed and we all very close friends. One night one of the gang members asked us if we could let his “cousin” in. We let him but he was warned if he drank he have to leave. Of course we caught him drinking, kicked him and he threatened to come back and kill us. We got that shit all the time and took it with a grain of salt.
1:45am I’m just inside the front entrance, Henry (Asian off duty Marshal) was at the back of the corridor, the guy we kicked out took a three point stance, one shot went about 3” above my head into the wall, three went into Henry, he dove behind a wall, I pulled his gun from his holster, myself and the other two off duty cops ran out in the middle of Valley Blvd shooting at the car, we hit the car but he got away. We ran in and Henry was a mess. He gave his dying declaration to all three of us. He was transported and died on the operating table, Doctor said he was shot with hollow points and there was nothing they could have done. His insides were destroyed beyond repair.
I (like many) have dealt with death a lot with family members and friends. I know those that have been in war, police, fire, hospital workers, etc see it all the time but traumatic episodes stick with you and I don’t think it something to get used too. Maybe at the time if you’ve seen it enough it might not bother you as much but from the cops and military that I’ve spoken too, it eventually catches up.
Even with what I’ve witnessed, I’ve had periods of depression and to this day still have night terrors. I can only imagine what others have gone through that have seen worse.
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We all need Jesus in our lives, srs
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You are correct, they do and as you have indicated most things do. I believe in micro dosing - very small doses 10-15 mgs to start .
J
After weening myself down from 300 mg of Trazodone to 50 mg, I concluded that any positive effect this tiny amount had on my ability sleep through the night was probably just psychological. When I decided to get off it completely, I discovered that quitting it had horrendous and potentially deadly side effects. A funny thing is that eventually the problem I had sleeping went away without help from the drug.
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We all need Jesus in our lives, srs
First person I turned too besides my wife was my pastor
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I haven’t told many people and since we’re talking about Luke’s (among others) depression but on Wednesday I encountered a traumatic experience that triggered several other traumatic experiences from my past including one that happened 33 years ago that’s still very vivid almost on a daily basis...
A surfer died in the water on Wednesday morning in front of my house, we tried to save him but failed. We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there floating past the breakwater, there were already two surfers out there, I swam out to help pull We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there for floating, pulled him in and started CPR until the lifeguards, paramedics and police came...we lost him.
We worked on him for about 20-30min even while the lifeguards, paramedics and police were there. We knew he was probably gone before we pulled him to shore. We were essentially working on a deceased man but still kept trying.
33 years ago I was working at a Chinese, Vietnamese and Korean night club in LA, it was a neutral zone for rival Asian gangs. Security consisted of off duty cops, all armed and we all very close friends. One night one of the gang members asked us if we could let his “cousin” in. We let him but he was warned if he drank he have to leave. Of course we caught him drinking, kicked him and he threatened to come back and kill us. We got that shit all the time and took it with a grain of salt.
1:45am I’m just inside the front entrance, Henry (Asian off duty Marshal) was at the back of the corridor, the guy we kicked out took a three point stance, one shot went about 3” above my head into the wall, three went into Henry, he dove behind a wall, I pulled his gun from his holster, myself and the other two off duty cops ran out in the middle of Valley Blvd shooting at the car, we hit the car but he got away. We ran in and Henry was a mess. He gave his dying declaration to all three of us. He was transported and died on the operating table, Doctor said he was shot with hollow points and there was nothing they could have done. His insides were destroyed beyond repair.
I (like many) have dealt with death a lot with family members and friends. I know those that have been in war, police, fire, hospital workers, etc see it all the time but traumatic episodes stick with you and I don’t think it something to get used too. Maybe at the time if you’ve seen it enough it might not bother you as much but from the cops and military that I’ve spoken too, it eventually catches up.
Even with what I’ve witnessed, I’ve had periods of depression and to this day still have night terrors. I can only imagine what others have gone through that have seen worse.
Wow, seriously impactful post, thanks for sharing. I'd offer you and Prime a ample as well, however Cali has top quality products.
J
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Thank you for sharing.
I haven’t told many people and since we’re talking about Luke’s (among others) depression but on Wednesday I encountered a traumatic experience that triggered several other traumatic experiences from my past including one that happened 33 years ago that’s still very vivid almost on a daily basis...
A surfer died in the water on Wednesday morning in front of my house, we tried to save him but failed. We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there floating past the breakwater, there were already two surfers out there, I swam out to help pull We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there for floating, pulled him in and started CPR until the lifeguards, paramedics and police came...we lost him.
We worked on him for about 20-30min even while the lifeguards, paramedics and police were there. We knew he was probably gone before we pulled him to shore. We were essentially working on a deceased man but still kept trying.
33 years ago I was working at a Chinese, Vietnamese and Korean night club in LA, it was a neutral zone for rival Asian gangs. Security consisted of off duty cops, all armed and we all very close friends. One night one of the gang members asked us if we could let his “cousin” in. We let him but he was warned if he drank he have to leave. Of course we caught him drinking, kicked him and he threatened to come back and kill us. We got that shit all the time and took it with a grain of salt.
1:45am I’m just inside the front entrance, Henry (Asian off duty Marshal) was at the back of the corridor, the guy we kicked out took a three point stance, one shot went about 3” above my head into the wall, three went into Henry, he dove behind a wall, I pulled his gun from his holster, myself and the other two off duty cops ran out in the middle of Valley Blvd shooting at the car, we hit the car but he got away. We ran in and Henry was a mess. He gave his dying declaration to all three of us. He was transported and died on the operating table, Doctor said he was shot with hollow points and there was nothing they could have done. His insides were destroyed beyond repair.
I (like many) have dealt with death a lot with family members and friends. I know those that have been in war, police, fire, hospital workers, etc see it all the time but traumatic episodes stick with you and I don’t think it something to get used too. Maybe at the time if you’ve seen it enough it might not bother you as much but from the cops and military that I’ve spoken too, it eventually catches up.
Even with what I’ve witnessed, I’ve had periods of depression and to this day still have night terrors. I can only imagine what others have gone through that have seen worse.
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I haven’t told many people and since we’re talking about Luke’s (among others) depression but on Wednesday I encountered a traumatic experience that triggered several other traumatic experiences from my past including one that happened 33 years ago that’s still very vivid almost on a daily basis...
A surfer died in the water on Wednesday morning in front of my house, we tried to save him but failed. We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there floating past the breakwater, there were already two surfers out there, I swam out to help pull We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there for floating, pulled him in and started CPR until the lifeguards, paramedics and police came...we lost him.
We worked on him for about 20-30min even while the lifeguards, paramedics and police were there. We knew he was probably gone before we pulled him to shore. We were essentially working on a deceased man but still kept trying.
33 years ago I was working at a Chinese, Vietnamese and Korean night club in LA, it was a neutral zone for rival Asian gangs. Security consisted of off duty cops, all armed and we all very close friends. One night one of the gang members asked us if we could let his “cousin” in. We let him but he was warned if he drank he have to leave. Of course we caught him drinking, kicked him and he threatened to come back and kill us. We got that shit all the time and took it with a grain of salt.
1:45am I’m just inside the front entrance, Henry (Asian off duty Marshal) was at the back of the corridor, the guy we kicked out took a three point stance, one shot went about 3” above my head into the wall, three went into Henry, he dove behind a wall, I pulled his gun from his holster, myself and the other two off duty cops ran out in the middle of Valley Blvd shooting at the car, we hit the car but he got away. We ran in and Henry was a mess. He gave his dying declaration to all three of us. He was transported and died on the operating table, Doctor said he was shot with hollow points and there was nothing they could have done. His insides were destroyed beyond repair.
I (like many) have dealt with death a lot with family members and friends. I know those that have been in war, police, fire, hospital workers, etc see it all the time but traumatic episodes stick with you and I don’t think it something to get used too. Maybe at the time if you’ve seen it enough it might not bother you as much but from the cops and military that I’ve spoken too, it eventually catches up.
Even with what I’ve witnessed, I’ve had periods of depression and to this day still have night terrors. I can only imagine what others have gone through that have seen worse.
That is some crazy shit. There is a therapy where you walk at a fast past while reliving a traumatic event like this in your mind and it is supposed to give great relief but I can't remember what it's called. It has to do with the pineal gland I think. Each night when you sleep the brain sorts out everything that has happened in the last 24 hours but with traumatic events it doesn't know what to do with them and so it just stays there. This makes it feel like you are reliving the event over and over everyday.
edit* I think it's the pituitary gland, not the pineal.
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That is some crazy shit. There is a therapy where you walk at a fast past while reliving a traumatic event like this in your mind and it is supposed to give great relief but I can't remember what it's called. It has to do with the pineal gland I think. Each night when you sleep the brain sorts out everything that has happened in the last 24 hours but with traumatic events it doesn't know what to do with them and so it just stays there. This makes it feel like you are reliving the event over and over everyday.
I'm seeing what you mean with my "third eye".
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You know what's fucked up is that they prescribe SSRI'S like candy, but try to get prescription for test is serious process, highly unlikely you'll get a script from an endocrinologist and if you do it will be a minimal dose.
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You know what's fucked up is that they prescribe SSRI'S like candy, but try to get prescription for test is serious process, highly unlikely you'll get a script from an endocrinologist and if you do it will be a minimal dose.
What would be a minimal testosterone dosage, in your opinion? Why would any doctor prescribe testosterone to a patient whose test levels were normal?
I have low testosterone, the only process I've gone through and continue to go through is periodic labs to determine my test levels (currently once a year).
It is fucked up when doctors prescribe SSRI's to people who don't need them. It is jut a fucked up for a doctor to prescribe testosterone to someone who doesn't need it.
The problem is that there is no easy or absolute way to know when someone is depressed enough to warrant a prescription for SSRI's. As best as I know there is no blood test that measures someone's level of depression.
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I'm seeing what you mean with my "third eye".
I think it's the pituitary gland.
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I think it's the pituitary gland.
It's the amygdala, you dope, that sensitizes the person to threats, thus leading to PTSD symptoms.
Although many structures of the brain are included (maybe pineal), amygdala has been implicated in trauma memories, as it influences fear conditioning.
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It's the amygdala, you dope, that sensitizes the person to threats, thus leading to PTSD symptoms.
Although many structures of the brain are included (maybe pineal), amygdala has been implicated in trauma memories, as it influences fear conditioning.
Thanks. With all your knowledge you should get promoted at your shitty job.
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Thanks. With all your knowledge you should get promoted at your shitty job.
Want to call my boss at Auto Zone and request I receive a promotion?
It would be greatly appreciated.
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Thanks. With all your knowledge you should get promoted at your shitty job.
Actually, the three parts of the brain that are most affected by trauma are the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.
Interestingly enough, and not surprisingly, we are learning more and more that trauma is rooted in the body and that body has the "capacity to store memory." This is why children who are traumatized pre-verbal and have no memory of the abuse, still experiences heightened reactivity on a physiological level, as their central nervous systems have been altered and are now in a constant state of danger. Part of it is physiological and part of it is cognitive appraisal, i.e., how we appraise events in our daily lives. People with trauma have different cognitive appraisals of events compared to non-traumatized people.
I have never heard of any therapy that involved fast walking/pacing, but that treatment would be consistent with the move toward bodily mastery in trauma work, as previously described, trauma is rooted in the body (see Bessel Van der Kolk).
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Actually, the three parts of the brain that are most affected by trauma are the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.
Interestingly enough, and not surprisingly, we are learning more and more that trauma is rooted in the body and that body has the "capacity to store memory." This is why children who are traumatized pre-verbal and have no memory of the abuse, still experiences heightened reactivity on a physiological level, as their central nervous systems have been altered and are now in a constant state of danger. Part of it is physiological and part of it is cognitive appraisal, i.e., how we appraise events in our daily lives. People with trauma have different cognitive appraisals of events compared to non-traumatized people.
I have never heard of any therapy that involved fast walking/pacing, but that treatment would be consistent with the move toward bodily mastery in trauma work, as previously described, trauma is rooted in the body (see Bessel Van der Kolk).
Keep writing. I’m learning a lot here. Seriously
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It's the amygdala, you dope, that sensitizes the person to threats, thus leading to PTSD symptoms.
Although many structures of the brain are included (maybe pineal), amygdala has been implicated in trauma memories, as it influences fear conditioning.
My pineal may malfunction based on the size of my reproductive bits and bedtime disorders. Trazodone did some of the work until I switched to melatonin when I realized that was what was being shortchanged thus fucking up my pituiatary which I've helped along with testosterone cypionate. On the otherhand, if I'd just spent more time in the dark everything might have been fine.
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My pineal may malfunction based on the size of my reproductive bits and bedtime disorders. Trazodone did some of the work until I switched to melatonin when I realized that was what was being shortchanged thus fucking up my pituiatary which I've helped along with testosterone cypionate. On the otherhand, if I'd just spent more time in the dark everything might have been fine.
For some reason, I thought you mentioned you had ingested Zopiclone at one point.
I was planning to move to Hayden's Island...until this lock down happened.
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For some reason, I thought you mentioned you had ingested Zopiclone at one point.
I was planning to move to Hayden's Island...until this lock down happened.
Nope. -Never took Zopiclone, but it is also used to treat insomnia. Trazodone is actually an anti-depressant which has been around forever. Doctors prescribe it off label for sleep issues.
I half way believe you regarding Hayden Island. Sauvie Island is more remote and still commuting distance to Portland.
Sauvie Island - one of a few beaches
(https://advancelocal-adapter-image-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width2048/img/portland_impact/photo/sauvie-islands-walton-beach-3b0ee05245a29b5f.jpg)
Hayden Island houseboats.
(https://www.portlandbridges.com/photoimagefiles/mt-hood-5d0img60662-s.jpg)
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Nope. -Never took Zopiclone, but it is also used to treat insomnia. Trazodone is actually an anti-depressant which has been around forever. Doctors prescribe it off label for sleep issues.
I half way believe you regarding Hayden Island. Sauvie Island is more remote and still commuting distance to Portland.
Wow. I need to look up Sauvie Island on Google Maps immediately. I didn't realize that Portland had an island, and I wanted to live there immediately. It's probably nice, safe, and 99% WHITE [which is why it is nice and safe].
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Nope. -Never took Zopiclone, but it is also used to treat insomnia. Trazodone is actually an anti-depressant which has been around forever. Doctors prescribe it off label for sleep issues.
I half way believe you regarding Hayden Island. Sauvie Island is more remote and still commuting distance to Portland.
Sauvie Island - one of a few beaches
(https://advancelocal-adapter-image-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width2048/img/portland_impact/photo/sauvie-islands-walton-beach-3b0ee05245a29b5f.jpg)
Hayden Island houseboats.
(https://www.portlandbridges.com/photoimagefiles/mt-hood-5d0img60662-s.jpg)
Trazodone is "nothing", you want to talk fucked up drugs, you have the z-drugs, zolpidem and zopiclone. Basically everyone who has used them alot has some story about fucked up things happening. I have a couple myself. On another forum one guy took a massive OD of DNP after having taken Ambien, he ended up having a heart attack and flatlining IIRC, resulting in a long rehab period and like a year later he's still not 100%.
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Actually, the three parts of the brain that are most affected by trauma are the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.
Interestingly enough, and not surprisingly, we are learning more and more that trauma is rooted in the body and that body has the "capacity to store memory." This is why children who are traumatized pre-verbal and have no memory of the abuse, still experiences heightened reactivity on a physiological level, as their central nervous systems have been altered and are now in a constant state of danger. Part of it is physiological and part of it is cognitive appraisal, i.e., how we appraise events in our daily lives. People with trauma have different cognitive appraisals of events compared to non-traumatized people.
I have never heard of any therapy that involved fast walking/pacing, but that treatment would be consistent with the move toward bodily mastery in trauma work, as previously described, trauma is rooted in the body (see Bessel Van der Kolk).
Yes, it was the hippocampus I was thinking of after all. Have your manager call me. ;D
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Yes, it was the hippocampus I was thinking of after all. Have your manager call me. ;D
That would also makes sense.
Continued trauma exposure has shown to result in a reduced volume/smaller hippocampus compared to non-traumatized people.
I do know that the hippocampus play a role in distinguishing/discriminating between past and present experiences, which would take into account the traumatized person's experience of hypervigilance (always be on guard) and other PTSD symptoms, if they have more trouble discriminating between the past and present, thus interpreting a present experience as dangerous when it is not (e.g., a traumatized person may experience a current situation as life threatening when it is not).
Judith Herman, probably one of the most profound people in the trauma field, talked about big "T" trauma and little "t" trauma. In that regard, we will all experience some form of trauma, whether it be small trauma or large trauma. Most of us experience little "t" trauma or single events of trauma, instead of big "T" trauma or Complex Trauma (which is repeated chronic trauma over a long period of time, usually by caregivers, its invasive, and of course, interpersonal in nature, and is repetitive and prolonged--this usually occurs in childhood).
One of the more interesting that I have discovered is the body as politic (Body Politic). The body itself acts as countries or states do, in the sense that the body has physical and mental boundaries, just like states and countries (more physical boundaries). When people are traumatized, especially sexually traumatized at a young age, there is often a sense of invasion of outsiders, i.e., a cross of the physical boundary into the body, in which the person no longer even feels safe in their own body. Even with people who are not traumatized, we have an instinctual nature to not let foreign agents invade our space, whether its our physical or mental space, cultural space, or country space. One can imagine the extreme sense of bodily violation when a 4-year-old is sexually abused and the lasting implications on the body politic--the fear of letting anyone in, getting close to anyone, etc--in the traumatized world, the person perceives everyone as a foreign agent, encroaching upon their physical and mental safety.
PS-I love talking about this stuff.
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That would also makes sense.
Continued trauma exposure has shown to result in a reduced volume/smaller hippocampus compared to non-traumatized people.
I do know that the hippocampus play a role in distinguishing/discriminating between past and present experiences, which would take into account the traumatized person's experience of hypervigilance (always be on guard) and other PTSD symptoms, if they have more trouble discriminating between the past and present, thus interpreting a present experience as dangerous when it is not (e.g., a traumatized person may experience a current situation as life threatening when it is not).
Judith Herman, probably one of the most profound people in the trauma field, talked about big "T" trauma and little "t" trauma. In that regard, we will all experience some form of trauma, whether it be small trauma or large trauma. Most of us experience little "t" trauma or single events of trauma, instead of big "T" trauma or Complex Trauma (which is repeated chronic trauma over a long period of time, usually by caregivers, its invasive, and of course, interpersonal in nature, and is repetitive and prolonged--this usually occurs in childhood).
One of the more interesting that I have discovered is the body as politic (Body Politic). The body itself acts as countries or states do, in the sense that the body has physical and mental boundaries, just like states and countries (more physical boundaries). When people are traumatized, especially sexually traumatized at a young age, there is often a sense of invasion of outsiders, i.e., a cross of the physical boundary into the body, in which the person no longer even feels safe in their own body. Even with people who are not traumatized, we have an instinctual nature to not let foreign agents invade our space, whether its our physical or mental space, cultural space, or country space. One can imagine the extreme sense of bodily violation when a 4-year-old is sexually abused and the lasting implications on the body politic--the fear of letting anyone in, getting close to anyone, etc--in the traumatized world, the person perceives everyone as a foreign agent, encroaching upon their physical and mental safety.
PS-I love talking about this stuff.
10/10 for google copy>pasting>editing.
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Yes, it was the hippocampus I was thinking of after all. Have your manager call me. ;D
I gave my manager your phone number. Did he call you? :D :D
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Keep writing. I’m learning a lot here. Seriously
More often than not, the traumatized person lives between two worlds: the traumatize world vs. the non-traumatized world. Life becomes increasingly problematic attempting to navigate both worlds. One can imagine that the vacillation between both worlds can lead to a host of problems. The problem is the person has different self-states and and has not integrated their traumatic experience into their overall sense of being--a complete integrated narrative.
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Trazodone is "nothing", you want to talk fucked up drugs, you have the z-drugs, zolpidem and zopiclone. Basically everyone who has used them alot has some story about fucked up things happening. I have a couple myself. On another forum one guy took a massive OD of DNP after having taken Ambien, he ended up having a heart attack and flatlining IIRC, resulting in a long rehab period and like a year later he's still not 100%.
I'll pass. Truthfully, I don't like taking anything that is mind altering or that dopes me up so I don't feel any pain. I tried two recreational drugs, pot a couple of times and LSD once when I was in my 20's. LSD was interesting. I had a good trip but once was enough. Pot did nothing for me.
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That would also makes sense.
Continued trauma exposure has shown to result in a reduced volume/smaller hippocampus compared to non-traumatized people.
I do know that the hippocampus play a role in distinguishing/discriminating between past and present experiences, which would take into account the traumatized person's experience of hypervigilance (always be on guard) and other PTSD symptoms, if they have more trouble discriminating between the past and present, thus interpreting a present experience as dangerous when it is not (e.g., a traumatized person may experience a current situation as life threatening when it is not).
Judith Herman, probably one of the most profound people in the trauma field, talked about big "T" trauma and little "t" trauma. In that regard, we will all experience some form of trauma, whether it be small trauma or large trauma. Most of us experience little "t" trauma or single events of trauma, instead of big "T" trauma or Complex Trauma (which is repeated chronic trauma over a long period of time, usually by caregivers, its invasive, and of course, interpersonal in nature, and is repetitive and prolonged--this usually occurs in childhood).
One of the more interesting that I have discovered is the body as politic (Body Politic). The body itself acts as countries or states do, in the sense that the body has physical and mental boundaries, just like states and countries (more physical boundaries). When people are traumatized, especially sexually traumatized at a young age, there is often a sense of invasion of outsiders, i.e., a cross of the physical boundary into the body, in which the person no longer even feels safe in their own body. Even with people who are not traumatized, we have an instinctual nature to not let foreign agents invade our space, whether its our physical or mental space, cultural space, or country space. One can imagine the extreme sense of bodily violation when a 4-year-old is sexually abused and the lasting implications on the body politic--the fear of letting anyone in, getting close to anyone, etc--in the traumatized world, the person perceives everyone as a foreign agent, encroaching upon their physical and mental safety.
PS-I love talking about this stuff.
What are you thoughts about the effects of possibly less traumatic events on a child's psyche? These could be mental or physical, but I am thinking more about the mental traumas, like abandonment and lack of a loving, caring parent for periods of time during preadolescence, repeatedly witnessing violent physical and emotional conflicts between one's parents or dramatic acts, such attempted suicides.
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What are you thoughts about the effects of possibly less traumatic events on a child's psyche? These could be mental or physical, but I am thinking more about the mental traumas, like abandonment and lack of a loving, caring parent for periods of time during preadolescence, repeatedly witnessing violent physical and emotional conflicts between one's parents or dramatic acts, such attempted suicides.
Well, i studied this and the majority of children and adolescents manifest resilience in the aftermath of traumatic experiences. This is especially true of single-incident exposure. Youths who have been exposed to multiple traumas, have a past history of anxiety problems, or have experienced family adversity are likely to be at higher risk of showing symptoms of posttraumatic stress. Despite exposure to traumatic events and experiencing short-term distress, most children and adolescents return to their previous levels of functioning after several weeks or months and resume a normal developmental course. This resilience typically results in a reduction in both psychological distress and physiological arousal.
Research has provided evidence about predictors of trauma recovery, although there are no perfect predictors. Recovery can be impeded by individual and family factors, the severity of ongoing life stressors, community stress, prior trauma exposure, psychiatric comorbidities, and ongoing safety concerns. Also, poverty and racism can make this recovery much more difficult. Caretakers are affected by children’s exposure to trauma, and their responses affect children’s reactions to trauma. On a positive note, individual, family, cultural, and community strengths can facilitate recovery and promote resilience. Social, community, and governmental support networks are critical for recovery, particularly when an entire community is affected, as when natural disasters occur.
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What are you thoughts about the effects of possibly less traumatic events on a child's psyche? These could be mental or physical, but I am thinking more about the mental traumas, like abandonment and lack of a loving, caring parent for periods of time during preadolescence, repeatedly witnessing violent physical and emotional conflicts between one's parents or dramatic acts, such attempted suicides.
Actually, emotional abandonment and neglect (mental and physical) have shown greater negative effects when compared to child physical abuse. The reason so, is that when the parent is abusing a child, the child still has an ongoing relationship with the abuser (parent). Furthermore, the parent is not always abusive, as there are times when the parent is good and loving. The child still has an attachment to the parent, even though its an attachment that goes back and forth between viewing the person as loving and viewing the parent as dangerous. However, with neglect and abandonment, there is no love, no attachment, not even a negative attachment. and the child is left to fend for themselves. In many ways, this is even worse than being physically abused by a parent.
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Well, i studied this and the majority of children and adolescents manifest resilience in the aftermath of traumatic experiences. This is especially true of single-incident exposure. Youths who have been exposed to multiple traumas, have a past history of anxiety problems, or have experienced family adversity are likely to be at higher risk of showing symptoms of posttraumatic stress. Despite exposure to traumatic events and experiencing short-term distress, most children and adolescents return to their previous levels of functioning after several weeks or months and resume a normal developmental course. This resilience typically results in a reduction in both psychological distress and physiological arousal.
Research has provided evidence about predictors of trauma recovery, although there are no perfect predictors. Recovery can be impeded by individual and family factors, the severity of ongoing life stressors, community stress, prior trauma exposure, psychiatric comorbidities, and ongoing safety concerns. Also, poverty and racism can make this recovery much more difficult. Caretakers are affected by children’s exposure to trauma, and their responses affect children’s reactions to trauma. On a positive note, individual, family, cultural, and community strengths can facilitate recovery and promote resilience. Social, community, and governmental support networks are critical for recovery, particularly when an entire community is affected, as when natural disasters occur.
So, long story short, time heals the cut but a scar remains. Repeated cuts result in bigger scars. Would you agree that much of our adult personality traits are a result of our childhood experiences?
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Actually, emotional abandonment and neglect (mental and physical) have shown greater negative effects when compared to child physical abuse. The reason so, is that when the parent is abusing a child, the child still has an ongoing relationship with the abuser (parent). Furthermore, the parent is not always abusive, as there are times when the parent is good and loving. The child still has an attachment to the parent, even though its an attachment that goes back and forth between viewing the person as loving and viewing the parent as dangerous. However, with neglect and abandonment, there is no love, no attachment, not even a negative attachment. and the child is left to fend for themselves. In many ways, this is even worse than being physically abused by a parent.
What happens when the abandonment is intermittent? Say, for example a parent is unable or unfit to care for their child so others take on the responsibility but only for a limited period of time resulting in the child being shuffled from one caregiver to another? Then to complicate things further, at some point in the child's youth, but before adolescence, they return to living with their parent on a permanent basis?
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What happens when the abandonment is intermittent? Say, for example a parent is unable or unfit to care for their child so others take on the responsibility but only for a limited period of time resulting in the child being shuffled from one caregiver to another? Then to complicate things further, at some point in the child's youth, but before adolescence, they return to living with their parent on a permanent basis?
It's almost impossible to say what will happen. Are other caregivers caring and loving? How many transitions has the child had? Who are these other caregivers? When the parents received the child back in their care, how do they act? Too many variables to discuss a potential outcome.
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It's almost impossible to say what will happen. Are other caregivers caring and loving? How many transitions has the child had? Who are these other caregivers? When the parents received the child back in their care, how do they act? Too many variables to discuss a potential outcome.
I agree with you the situation I offered is rife with variables. Way too many variables. But then, variety is the spice of life....or so some say. :)
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I agree with you the situation I offered is rife with variables. Way too many variables. But then, variety is the spice of life....or so some say. :)
Mr. Vince Goodrum, PhD, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO, is the spice of life!
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Actually, emotional abandonment and neglect (mental and physical) have shown greater negative effects when compared to child physical abuse. The reason so, is that when the parent is abusing a child, the child still has an ongoing relationship with the abuser (parent). Furthermore, the parent is not always abusive, as there are times when the parent is good and loving. The child still has an attachment to the parent, even though its an attachment that goes back and forth between viewing the person as loving and viewing the parent as dangerous. However, with neglect and abandonment, there is no love, no attachment, not even a negative attachment. and the child is left to fend for themselves. In many ways, this is even worse than being physically abused by a parent.
I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.
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I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.
I assume you're not trolling, so I am sorry to hear that.
Neglect/abandonment can definitely be worse than many other forms of trauma. There is no feeling like not being witnessed/seen/heard/understood.
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I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.
Sorry to hear this bro.
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I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.
I'm speechless. Are you being serious?
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I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.
Look on the bright side.
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I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.
I’ve always found, for me at least, it’s better to open up and talk to someone about it. Last night was a bad night for me, I had terrors, wife woke me and we spent the rest of the early morning just talking
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I’ve always found, for me at least, it’s better to open up and talk to someone about it. Last night was a bad night for me, I had terrors, wife woke me and we spent the rest of the early morning just talking
You're a lucky fellow. I don't have night terrors or disturbing nightmares, but if I did, it would be great to have someone there to comfort me. My little Rat Terrier's bed is nearby on the floor. I could wake her up, so I'd have someone to talk to about it. She's a great listener. She almost never interrupts me. Our conversations are just too one sided.
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I think Luke needed Jesus in his life, srs
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I think Luke needed Jesus in his life, srs
We all need Jesus in our life.
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We all need Jesus in our life.
Holy fuck shut up already. You could feed 1000 starving children and I think I'd still find you grimy and disingenuous.
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Holy fuck shut up already. You could feed 1000 starving children and I think I'd still find you grimy and disingenuous.
I ain't shutting up for anybody least of all you. But I'm glad I'm getting another little bitch to have meltdowns.
And what makes you think I give a shit about what a low life like you thinks about me?
Go fuk yourself asshole.
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This morning at 5:30 am in the pouring cold rain I set a new personal best running, my life has totally changed and I owe it in part to marijuana edibles. I eat 100mg per day ( I break it down in 25 or 50 mg - 4 to 2 times a day ) and my mind is calm, I focus on positive things, stretch and enjoy life.
Good stuff. Luke Sandoe spoke of the positive bodybuilding and mental health benefits of cannabis a couple of weeks ago.
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Just a blanket offer - if you’re over 21 and your laws allow, I’ll send you samples of edibles ( I deal in flower but only as a drop shipper.) I am not looking for your business, but if any of the GetBig family has issues that they feel THC may help ( read a lot first ) I can drop you a sample.
Respectfully,
J
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Just a blanket offer - if you’re over 21 and your laws allow, I’ll send you samples of edibles ( I deal in flower but only as a drop shipper.) I am not looking for your business, but if any of the GetBig family has issues that they feel THC may help ( read a lot first ) I can drop you a sample.
Respectfully,
J
Got any coke?
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I’ve always found, for me at least, it’s better to open up and talk to someone about it. Last night was a bad night for me, I had terrors, wife woke me and we spent the rest of the early morning just talking
On tren?
Fuck I sleep walk like crazy, I once grabbed my misses and threw her across the room out of bed while we were both asleep to save her from a cave wall collapsing on her (obviously this was a dream) she was unhurt....
And I might add I did save her from the wall also, ;) even if it didn't actually exist...
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Got any coke?
Diet or regular?
J
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Good stuff. Luke Sandoe spoke of the positive bodybuilding and mental health benefits of cannabis a couple of weeks ago.
so is it really positive? I mean Luke was a big smoker and he offed himself.
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On tren?
Fuck I sleep walk like crazy, I once grabbed my misses and threw her across the room out of bed while we were both asleep to save her from a cave wall collapsing on her (obviously this was a dream) she was unhurt....
And I might add I did save her from the wall also, ;) even if it didn't actually exist...
Nope, no tren until about 8 weeks out from a show of that
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without too much details on a private manner with one of my children i am learning and trying to understand mental illness and hopefully things turn out for the better.was a rough time christmas to around mid feb..
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I ain't shutting up for anybody least of all you. But I'm glad I'm getting another little bitch to have meltdowns.
And what makes you think I give a shit about what a low life like you thinks about me?
Go fuk yourself asshole.
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so is it really positive? I mean Luke was a big smoker and he offed himself.
It wasn’t the weed man lol
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It wasn’t the weed man lol
Not pinpointing that alone. Or saying it was the issue far from it. But probably doesn't help using mind altering drugs when you already have mental problems. And that goes for steroids too.
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I ain't shutting up for anybody least of all you. But I'm glad I'm getting another little bitch to have meltdowns.
And what makes you think I give a shit about what a low life like you thinks about me?
Go fuk yourself asshole.
wow what Christian thing to say ::)
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without too much details on a private manner with one of my children i am learning and trying to understand mental illness and hopefully things turn out for the better.was a rough time christmas to around mid feb..
sorry to hear brother. I hope things get better.
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sorry to hear brother. I hope things get better.
Ty ro
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wow what Christian thing to say ::)
Nothing in the scriptures that says you can’t tell it like it is. Nothing at all.
J
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Nothing in the scriptures that says you can’t tell it like it is. Nothing at all.
J
Isn't there something in the scriptures about malice? Why yest there are several dozen references to it in the bible. Maybe that's nothing to you. Maybe that's what you meant.
Ephesians 4:31-32 ESV
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Matthew 7:12 ESV
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
James 4:11-12 ESV
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
James 1:26 ESV
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
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Isn't there something in the scriptures about malice? Why yest there are several dozen references to it in the bible. Maybe that's nothing to you. Maybe that's what you meant.
Ephesians 4:31-32 ESV
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Matthew 7:12 ESV
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
James 4:11-12 ESV
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
James 1:26 ESV
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
You of all supposed adults here quoting the Bible, is nothing less than the pot calling the kettle Hebroe.
Like all libtards, anything you dare quote is out of convenience, not conscience.
Foul craven indeed.
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You of all supposed adults here quoting the Bible, is nothing less than the pot calling the kettle Hebroe.
Like all libtards, anything you dare quote is out of convenience, not conscience.
Foul craven indeed.
Really? Well you think you know a lot more about me than you do. Even if I were the devil incarnate, the scriptures I quoted are right on the mark. You'd do well to mind your own affairs. To coin a phrase of yours...TYPIST! ::)
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Not to be racist, but it seems like suicide is primarily a thing moreprevalent with white people. Anyone else notice this?
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Really? Well you think you know a lot more about me than you do. Even if I were the devil incarnate, the scriptures I quoted are right on the mark. You'd do well to mind your own affairs. To coin a phrase of yours...TYPIST! ::)
Sigh...Such a retard. You borrowed a term, not coined a phrase. As for your background? The collective knows everything you tell it. Foolish mortal.
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Sigh...Such a retard. You borrowed a term, not coined a phrase. As for your background? The collective knows everything you tell it. Foolish mortal.
What's The Collective?
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What's The Collective?
Good morning, Matt!
In this case, it would be all of us here on Getbig.
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Isn't there something in the scriptures about malice? Why yest there are several dozen references to it in the bible. Maybe that's nothing to you. Maybe that's what you meant.
Ephesians 4:31-32 ESV
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Matthew 7:12 ESV
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
James 4:11-12 ESV
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
James 1:26 ESV
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
So you know what the intent ( malicious intent ) behind the post was, do you?
J
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Doubtless a congenital condition that befalls only those of royal blood. 'n' sheit.
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So you know what the intent ( malicious intent ) behind the post was, do you?
J
Not necessarily, why don't you tell me why you called BigRo an asshole and told him to fuck himself.
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Not necessarily, why don't you tell me why you called BigRo an asshole and told him to fuck himself.
What FUCKEN business is it of yours tough guy???
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What FUCKEN business is it of yours tough guy???
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Nobody is being though here at all...no need. I was merely responding to your question about malice and intent. That you don't like my answer is your problem.
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What FUCKEN business is it of yours tough guy???
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:D :D :D :D :D
An internet meltdown. Nice.
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Looks like they raised almost $120,000 thus far for Luke's family. That's great to see.
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Looks like they raised almost $120,000 thus far for Luke's family. That's great to see.
Don't any of these guys have health insurance?
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Don't any of these guys have health insurance?
Does it even cover suicide?
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Does it even cover suicide?
Sorry, I got the threads mixed up. I thought this was the guy that had the heart attack. No suicide is not covered in health insurance.
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Nobody is being though here at all...no need. I was merely responding to your question about malice and intent. That you don't like my answer is your problem.
You, your opinions and or actions present me NO problems. Thanks for playing.
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:D :D :D :D :D
An internet meltdown. Nice.
If you consider that a melt down, you have not been here long.
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You, your opinions and or actions present me NO problems. Thanks for playing.
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Good. It was fun.
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Sure was . . .
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Looks like they raised almost $120,000 thus far for Luke's family. That's great to see.
Singerman will prob take “some” of it
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We all need Jesus in our life.
Amen bro
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Big Lenny pretty much nails it here.....
As he says if you have severe illness with no prospect of improvement that's one thing.... But in general suicide is a quitters game, life's a bitch we all have to endure it.
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Big Lenny pretty much nails it here.....
As he says if you have severe illness with no prospect of improvement that's one thing.... But in general suicide is a quitters game, life's a bitch we all have to endure it.
This is the very last guy in the world who's opinion and commentary I would take any such interest in. He's a misfit at everything he does and that's the only reason he has any type or notoriety.
Big Lenny is on the same wave as Jason Genova.
A guy as disciplined as Luke Sandoe is no quitter. There was something SEVERELY wrong. It wasn't just someone who gave up. It's someone who's mental functioning was gone.
You're not "weak" if you commit suicide. You are past the point of desperation. And taking your own life can't be easy. It takes some kind of strength to do that. Even if it is brought on by severe mental issues.
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You don't see a lot of 6 foot plus men suiciding because of mental distress. It's a beta move usually only considered by pint size men.
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You don't see a lot of 6 foot plus men suiciding because of mental distress. It's a beta move usually only considered by pint size men.
Are there actually statistics on height related to suicide? It seems tall men are always bragging about their height as if it's an achievement. This shows an insecurity of their true achievements which would probably increase their rate of suicide.
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Are there actually statistics on height related to suicide? It seems tall men are always bragging about their height as if it's an achievement. This shows an insecurity of their true achievements which would probably increase their rate of suicide.
^Midget post alert^
Hide the rope
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^Midget post alert^
Hide the rope
I'm average height but do you believe height to be an accomplishment? How about blue eyes? Long fingers? ???
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I'm average height but do you believe height to be an accomplishment? How about blue eyes? Long fingers? ???
Average height compared to a midget is still a manlet.
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So...Is the subject of this thread still dead?
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Depression is a real thing
Absofuckinglutely! RIP Luke very sad!
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So...Is the subject of this thread still dead?
Last time they checked he was, Sadly.
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This is the very last guy in the world who's opinion and commentary I would take any such interest in. He's a misfit at everything he does and that's the only reason he has any type or notoriety.
Big Lenny is on the same wave as Jason Genova.
A guy as disciplined as Luke Sandoe is no quitter. There was something SEVERELY wrong. It wasn't just someone who gave up. It's someone who's mental functioning was gone.
You're not "weak" if you commit suicide. You are past the point of desperation. And taking your own life can't be easy. It takes some kind of strength to do that. Even if it is brought on by severe mental issues.
There's no strength in killing yourself, the strength is found in pushing through the very very hard times. I have endured a severe painful illness that lasted many months, I couldn't take any pleasure in anything, go anywhere, do anything, I couldn't even breathe or see properly... I endured even when it wasn't looking good, as many of us have.
Abandoning your family, making your children and mother endure and live with your death, it's not strength.
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There's no strength in killing yourself, the strength is found in pushing through the very very hard times. I have endured a severe painful illness that lasted many months, I couldn't take any pleasure in anything, go anywhere, do anything, I couldn't even breathe or see properly... I endured even when it wasn't looking good, as many of us have.
Abandoning your family, making your children and mother endure and live with your death, it's not strength.
I do think that if there comes a time in your life where you are simply a burden to your family and friends. When you require 24-hour care and have to suffer the indignities of not even being able to do the basic things in life like eating, washing, and going to the bathroom on your own; not to mention being a financial burden draining the family resources then I don't think it would be a dishonorable and cowardly thing to prefer death.
Of course, Luke was nowhere near this state and though I can't put myself in his place it seems hard to justify him taking his own life.
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I do think that if there comes a time in your life where you are simply a burden to your family and friends. When you require 24-hour care and have to suffer the indignities of not even being able to do the basic things in life like eating, washing, and going to the bathroom on your own; not to mention being a financial burden draining the family resources then I don't think it would be a dishonorable and cowardly thing to prefer death.
Of course, Luke was nowhere near this state and though I can't put myself in his place it seems hard to justify him taking his own life.
The thing to ask though, is do they see it that way? My dad was ill and thought he was a burden to us. This man gave me life. Changed my diapers. Clothed me, sheltered me, fed me and loved me. Taught me how to be independent. He did EVERYTHING for me.
And then when his life got rough he just assumed he was a burden to me and my siblings and hid his health issues from us.
This bothered me to no end because I would have no problem taking him on. No issues, feeding, bathing, cleaning him, etc. He did it to me for 20 years. It is the least I can do for him.
I realize not everyone feels the way I do but often people ARE NOT burdens to others. They just think they are.
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The thing to ask though, is do they see it that way? My dad was ill and thought he was a burden to us. This man gave me life. Changed my diapers. Clothed me, sheltered me, fed me and loved me. Taught me how to be independent. He did EVERYTHING for me.
And then when his life got rough he just assumed he was a burden to me and my siblings and hid his health issues from us.
This bothered me to no end because I would have no problem taking him on. No issues, feeding, bathing, cleaning him, etc. He did it to me for 20 years. It is the least I can do for him.
I realize not everyone feels the way I do but often people ARE NOT burdens to others. They just think they are.
That is a good point but also what about the person suffering? Even if there are some like you, which I think exceptional in this case, I would ask myself what is the point of living? Why does a person want to live? What gives life meaning? Is it just to exist as long as you can no matter what? What if everyday is marked with pain? But, for me, more importantly, is personal dignity. Not being able to go to the bathroom and clean yourself and to have someone spoon feed you like a baby. Is it unreasonable to insist for some quality of life rather than just to exist for the sake of existing?
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That is a good point but also what about the person suffering? Even if there are some like you, which I think exceptional in this case, I would ask myself what is the point of living? Why does a person want to live? What gives life meaning? Is it just to exist as long as you can no matter what? What if everyday is marked with pain? But, for me, more importantly, is personal dignity. Not being able to go to the bathroom and clean yourself and to have someone spoon feed you like a baby. Is it unreasonable to insist for some quality of life rather than just to exist for the sake of existing?
100% agree these are the times when suicide is justified...
You can be in so much pain and misery that there is nothing else. The suffering is all you've got day after day, it's hard for people who haven't experienced this or seen someone like this to understand what it is really like. It's not that you feel you are a burden, that was inconsequential for me, it was severe pain and constant distress. "Suffering" is just a word, the real thing is impossible to describe.
If it's an illness where there is no chance of recovery or very severe I do not judge that person deciding to end it. Otherwise it's an inconsiderate, to a degree selfish, thing to do.
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Not B.B. related - iron maiden singer Bruce Dickinson’s wife killed herself on Monday she was 58 & looking at 90million£ divorce settlement - Just shows that when the Minds unbalanced/ Depressed There’s no rhyme or reason going on & if they feel life isn’t worth living it’s often the End.
Such a delicate & complex organ the Brain - Is it due to chemical imbalance that causes the depression or Depression causing the chemical imbalance.
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Not B.B. related - iron maiden singer Bruce Dickinson’s wife killed herself on Monday she was 58 & looking at 90million£ divorce settlement - Just shows that when the Minds unbalanced/ Depressed There’s no rhyme or reason going on & if they feel life isn’t worth living it’s often the End.
Such a delicate & complex organ the Brain - Is it due to chemical imbalance that causes the depression or Depression causing the chemical imbalance.
Chemical imbalance. ::)
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Not B.B. related - iron maiden singer Bruce Dickinson’s wife killed herself on Monday she was 58 & looking at 90million£ divorce settlement - Just shows that when the Minds unbalanced/ Depressed There’s no rhyme or reason going on & if they feel life isn’t worth living it’s often the End.
Such a delicate & complex organ the Brain - Is it due to chemical imbalance that causes the depression or Depression causing the chemical imbalance.
You can usually trace things back to heavy use of some kinda mind altering substances. Anything from alcohol to prescription meds or the more obvious party drugs.
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You can usually trace things back to heavy use of some kinda mind altering substances. Anything from alcohol to prescription meds or the more obvious party drugs.
You can almost always trace things back to lifestyle and mindset.
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:'( RIP
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Has anyone found out how this happened? We know it was suicide but how?
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Has anyone found out how this happened? We know it was suicide but how?
I'd like to know this too but it won't be revealed. Too many find it disrespectful.
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Is it possible a schmoe Epsteined him?
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Is it possible a schmoe Epsteined him?
More likely he was Jimmy Saviled as a kid and Robin Williamed himself.
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More likely he was Jimmy Saviled as a kid and Robin Williamed himself.
I think what did it for Robin Williams was he finally sat down and watched some of his movies..
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I think what did it for Robin Williams was he finally sat down and watched some of his movies..
Ouch!
Although partially true. Some American humour just doesn't translate well. Never found anything funny about Williams.
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I think what did it for Robin Williams was he finally sat down and watched some of his movies..
I tend to think that since his ex-wives and his current but possibly soon to be ex-wife took everything else, he decided fuck that noise and took his own life. Can't say I blame him. You go to divorce court seeking justice and find Just Us. Against the man. FTN.
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I tend to think that since his ex-wives and his current but possibly soon to be ex-wife took everything else, he decided fuck that noise and took his own life. Can't say I blame him. You go to divorce court seeking justice and find Just Us. Against the man. FTN.
Well said Scott - The madness about that is it was Men ( I use that term in its loosest possible sense) that have made so unfair & Biased against
The Husbands. More Loony Leftists Stupidity.
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I tend to think that since his ex-wives and his current but possibly soon to be ex-wife took everything else, he decided fuck that noise and took his own life. Can't say I blame him. You go to divorce court seeking justice and find Just Us. Against the man. FTN.
If he didn't learn after his first divorce then he only really has himself to blame..
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I think what did it for Robin Williams was he finally sat down and watched some of his movies..
Bro...
;D
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If he didn't learn after his first divorce then he only really has himself to blame..
Some people don't learn from mistakes. After being ass raped by 2 ex's he decided to get married again.
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Robin Williams had parkinsons and lewy body dementia, so he probably took himself out before he ended up in a nursing home.
An autopsy revealed he only had LBD, not Parkinson’s.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlC3VyNlSOE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlC3VyNlSOE)
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Maybe he was getting supps from the same person Dallas Mccarver was getting from. So now two redcon athletes gone? definitely weird.
both heart failure? Definitely weird
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both heart failure? Definitely weird
You mean you don't have friends in their 20's that die of heart failure?
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Maybe he was getting supps from the same person Dallas Mccarver was getting from. So now two redcon athletes gone? definitely weird.
Clock's gotta be ticking on Jordan Peters too... I mean, I hope it isn't, but...
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Clock's gotta be ticking on Jordan Peters too... I mean, I hope it isn't, but...
Yes you would think so He’s not a Healthy looking young man.
He trained in one of the gyms I use a few years back, & some of the stories from
Those that knew & know him don’t make for longevity.
I hear that Max O’Conner has retired from competing due to health / motorcycle accident.
He’s a decent lad - Great physique- just likes the party side of things a bit too much.
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Yes you would think so He’s not a Healthy looking young man.
He trained in one of the gyms I use a few years back, & some of the stories from
Those that knew & know him don’t make for longevity.
Born in 88, so he's 31/32 years old - and I think this pic was from a few years ago, so he's possibly even in his late twenties here...
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I hear that Max O’Conner has retired from competing due to health / motorcycle accident.
He’s a decent lad - Great physique- just likes the party side of things a bit too much.
Really? I wonder if that's what he's alluding to in this post from earlier today..?
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Born in 88, so he's 31/32 years old - and I think this pic was from a few years ago, so he's possibly even in his late twenties here...
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Face of a 50 yearcold.
Bladder of a 90 year old.
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Face of a 50 yearcold.
Bladder of a 90 year old.
Yeah, you caught that too.
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Really? I wonder if that's what he's alluding to in this post from earlier today..?
Probably!! Great physique when he could be half bothered - He didn’t let his bodybuilding get in the way of Partying 😂🤣 - What with his pacemaker & then his Bike crash - I’ve not seen him since especially with China Virus Bollocks going on. 🙄
Ha, I remember 3yr back at the universe He’d been backstage before his class & I asked him how he was looking & how he thought he’d do - He said yeah I’m in good shape & should get 2nd !!
I said Ahh some good lads then, He just yes But Mainly this Korean Lad He’s going to win & win the overall, no one’s got a chance against him. And he was Right.
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Born in 88, so he's 31/32 years old - and I think this pic was from a few years ago, so he's possibly even in his late twenties here...
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Just why would 1, someone take a pic of him with pissed joggers & Post it up 🙄
2, Why would he let them & then allow it to be published!!
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Probably!! Great physique when he could be half bothered - He didn’t let his bodybuilding get in the way of Partying 😂🤣 - What with his pacemaker & then his Bike crash - I’ve not seen him since especially with China Virus Bollocks going on. 🙄
Ha, I remember 3yr back at the universe He’d been backstage before his class & I asked him how he was looking & how he thought he’d do - He said yeah I’m in good shape & should get 2nd !!
I said Ahh some good lads then, He just yes But Mainly this Korean Lad He’s going to win & win the overall, no one’s got a chance against him. And he was Right.
Jeez a pacemaker in your 20’s
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Bladder of a 90 year old.
lol. Good eye.
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Face of a 50 yearcold.
Bladder of a 90 year old.
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Repost - that's some BP right there... :o
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Repost - that's some BP right there... :o
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Just what is that (for lack of a better term) person doing holding onto the bar? I don't get it. I never had anyone near me when I did squuats but then I never looked like a death-bloated Australian Cane Toad, either.
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Jeez a pacemaker in your 20’s
Unclear. Pacemaker in who? Peters or O’Conner? Is there a reliable source on that?
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Jordan has made fun of himself for the way his face looks nowadays. He has those deep folds by his nose. Blames gaining and losing so much weight. I don't know if he mentioned a CPAP causing it as well but others have - the mask supposedly causes wrinkles and makes you look older.
Might be something to it. He has said he started using a CPAP after training with Milos for a month and hitting 306lbs - he woke up gasping for air.
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Just what is that (for lack of a better term) person doing holding onto the bar? I don't get it. I never had anyone near me when I did squuats but then I never looked like a death-bloated Australian Cane Toad, either.
I think there's a good reason for that. Things can go south in a fraction of a second, so the partner can quickly rack it if needed. What's idiotic is guys squatting in or by a powerrack yet not using it as you're supposed to. For fucks sake, set the safety pins right in case something happens, small effort but could save you some day.
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Just why would 1, someone take a pic of him with pissed joggers & Post it up 🙄
2, Why would he let them & then allow it to be published!!
Kidney injury caused by high bp
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I think there's a good reason for that. Things can go south in a fraction of a second, so the partner can quickly rack it if needed. What's idiotic is guys squatting in or by a powerrack yet not using it as you're supposed to. For fucks sake, set the safety pins right in case something happens, small effort but could save you some day.
It looks like he's squatting on a Smif-Machine so yes, those have those toggling "pins" that keep the weight from going lower than they're set. At least the machine I used to work on had them but no, I never squatted in one of those. I used a tiered squat rack for safety reasons and I had no spotters other than that. Oh yes, I agree completely with you on this!
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Just what is that (for lack of a better term) person doing holding onto the bar? I don't get it. I never had anyone near me when I did squuats but then I never looked like a death-bloated Australian Cane Toad, either.
Scott LOL - that's his girlfriend, she's a top female competitor and she's doing the 'emergency racking' of the Smith machine
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Kidney injury caused by high bp
Agree with Coach, plus maybe a momentary over pressure cause by a valsalva manouver... (or a wicked funny joke ;D)
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Scott LOL - that's his girlfriend, she's a top female competitor and she's doing the 'emergency racking' of the Smith machine
I'll bet she's sexual.
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I'll bet she's sexual.
... and a bit bald...
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Scott LOL - that's his girlfriend, she's a top female competitor and she's doing the 'emergency racking' of the Smith machine
If that's a "girl", it's one vial away from being even more vile. Ewwwwwwwwwww...LOL! I thought it was some dude that looked like a jacked, blonde Chachi Arcola from "Happy Days". ;D
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Agree with Coach, plus maybe a momentary over pressure cause by a valsalva manouver... (or a wicked funny joke ;D)
It’s why I pulled out of the show and probably competing for good
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... and a bit bald...
...and might have a dong.
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If that's a "girl", it's one vial away from being even more vile. Ewwwwwwwwwww...LOL! I thought it was some dude that looked like a jacked, blonde Chachi Arcola from "Happy Days". ;D
Chachi? Hahaha
To be fair, she's put some effort in - check out those striated quads...
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It’s why I pulled out of the show and probably competing for good
Sh!t Coach - just realised what you are saying here :( - hope you are OK - absolutely sincerely
I know we all shoot the sh1t on here but wishing you the very best of health
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Sh!t Coach - just realised what you are saying here :( - hope you are OK - absolutely sincerely
I know we all shoot the sh1t on here but wishing you the very best of health
Taf
Appreciate it. Nephrologist says I should make close to a full recovery in the next couple of months. Not as serious as previously thought but enough to for me to pull out
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Appreciate it. Nephrologist says I should make close to a full recovery in the next couple of months. Not as serious as previously thought but enough to for me to pull out
Like Wes,,I hope you get better,feel well ,,train for good health hard training and lighter body weight and stilll look great.
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Appreciate it. Nephrologist says I should make close to a full recovery in the next couple of months. Not as serious as previously thought but enough to for me to pull out
God bless man - seriously - I'm sure you'll be fine for the next 50 years! 8)
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God bless man - seriously - I'm sure you'll be fine for the next 50 years! 8)
I would be ecstatic if I could live to 108 LOL
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I would be ecstatic if I could live to 108 LOL
So let it be written, so let it be done.
This shall be my hope for you and your beloved wife and family. That the years pass filled with love for one another and that time does not diminish your abilities and that our Nation grows ever stronger with you. I am sincere in this. In all ways and for always, be well sir.
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I would be ecstatic if I could live to 108 LOL
Long live coach!
Seriously your decision to call pull out and possibly not compete is commendable. Stay well coach!
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Thanks guys. Just a bit of a wake up call on stemming from a blood panel. Never had any symptoms, BP has always ran a bit high. Had it under control for awhile but creeped back up. Been running normal for the last 21/2 months or so and numbers are slowly coming back. I know what most are thinking but after Dr’s opinions both concurred the PED’s were not a huge factor. It was everything else
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I would be ecstatic if I could live to 108 LOL
So let it be written, so let it be done.
This shall be my hope for you and your beloved wife and family. That the years pass filled with love for one another and that time does not diminish your abilities and that our Nation grows ever stronger with you. I am sincere in this. In all ways and for always, be well sir.
Maybe I'm feeling a bit estrogenic, but I've just gotta say that I totally get this sentiment - I love you guys (no homo)...
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Long live coach!
Seriously your decision to call pull out and possibly not compete is commendable. Stay well coach!
THIS x 1000!
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That soon-to-be-dead-guy’s “girlfriend” is absolutely brutal.
Ruined herself.
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Unclear. Pacemaker in who? Peters or O’Conner? Is there a reliable source on that?
Max O’Connor- Very Reliable source - I Know him & Judged him - He likes his Partying a LOT. !!!
He had it in 2017 IIRC.
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Thanks guys. Just a bit of a wake up call on stemming from a blood panel. Never had any symptoms, BP has always ran a bit high. Had it under control for awhile but creeped back up. Been running normal for the last 21/2 months or so and numbers are slowly coming back. I know what most are thinking but after Dr’s opinions both concurred the PED’s were not a huge factor. It was everything else
Not really been on GB much over the last few months, That’s a kicker having to stop the competing
As you were looking really good & improving. Only your long term health is more important & from that
Perspective you made the right decision. Hopefully with some good fortune/ time & corrective meds
If Needed you’ll be fine & firing on all cylinders again very soon.
All the Best to you Joe.
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Thanks guys. Just a bit of a wake up call on stemming from a blood panel. Never had any symptoms, BP has always ran a bit high. Had it under control for awhile but creeped back up. Been running normal for the last 21/2 months or so and numbers are slowly coming back. I know what most are thinking but after Dr’s opinions both concurred the PED’s were not a huge factor. It was everything else
Appreciate it. Nephrologist says I should make close to a full recovery in the next couple of months. Not as serious as previously thought but enough to for me to pull out
I'm assuming your serum creatinine level was elevated. I've posted this before but this is the best study looking directly at bodybuilders and factors leading to kidney damage. Did your Nephrologist discuss Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis?
You were smart to have bloodwork and hope everything normalizes!
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/21/1/163
In summary, we present the first series of FSGS in bodybuilders who abused AASs. These patients may present with either asymptomatic proteinuria or full nephrotic syndrome and heterogeneous histologic variants of FSGS. Although these patients responded well to discontinuation of AAS use, weight loss, and RAS blockade, others may progress to ESRD. Elevated lean body mass and long-term AAS abuse should be added to the list of causes of secondary FSGS.
(https://i.ibb.co/sPDZ4z4/asn0021042680001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vBrSWRW)
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I'm assuming your serum creatinine level was elevated. I've posted this before but this is the best study looking directly at bodybuilders and factors leading to kidney damage. Did your Nephrologist discuss Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis?
You were smart to have bloodwork and hope everything normalizes!
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/21/1/163
In summary, we present the first series of FSGS in bodybuilders who abused AASs. These patients may present with either asymptomatic proteinuria or full nephrotic syndrome and heterogeneous histologic variants of FSGS. Although these patients responded well to discontinuation of AAS use, weight loss, and RAS blockade, others may progress to ESRD. Elevated lean body mass and long-term AAS abuse should be added to the list of causes of secondary FSGS.
(https://i.ibb.co/sPDZ4z4/asn0021042680001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vBrSWRW)
So Walt...
You're saying that Coach needs to find himself a Brazilian girlfriend just in case he needs a transplant..? ;)
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So Walt...
You're saying that Coach needs to find himself a Brazilian girlfriend just in case he needs a transplant..? ;)
Beau was the one they mentioned in the study went back on gear, bulked up again and needed a Brazilian kidney.🤦 I heard he's ruining that one too. :-\
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I'm assuming your serum creatinine level was elevated. I've posted this before but this is the best study looking directly at bodybuilders and factors leading to kidney damage. Did your Nephrologist discuss Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis?
You were smart to have bloodwork and hope everything normalizes!
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/21/1/163
In summary, we present the first series of FSGS in bodybuilders who abused AASs. These patients may present with either asymptomatic proteinuria or full nephrotic syndrome and heterogeneous histologic variants of FSGS. Although these patients responded well to discontinuation of AAS use, weight loss, and RAS blockade, others may progress to ESRD. Elevated lean body mass and long-term AAS abuse should be added to the list of causes of secondary FSGS.
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During our first telemedicine meeting after he got the initial labs he sent this exact study. It originally was pointed out to me during a Doctors appointment who has never worked with athletes let alone bodybuilders. Primarily celebrities, general clients and female models BUT she is a great doctor and insisted I do FULL labs in the middle of a full contest cycle. I told her she would freak out, she understood. Labs came back that my eGFR was low and Creatnine levels high that would put me in stage 3 renal failure.
Of course I freaked, for scared but also understood that athletes and bodybuilders MIGHT be interpreted differently from Doctors who work with athletes. She was in Beverly Hills, out of my insurance network and costing me $260 per visit 2x per week.
I’ll finish this later
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During our first telemedicine meeting after he got the initial labs he sent this exact study. It originally was pointed out to me during a Doctors appointment who has never worked with athletes let alone bodybuilders. Primarily celebrities, general clients and female models BUT she is a great doctor and insisted I do FULL labs in the middle of a full contest cycle. I told her she would freak out, she understood. Labs came back that my eGFR was low and Creatnine levels high that would put me in stage 3 renal failure.
Of course I freaked, for scared but also understood that athletes and bodybuilders MIGHT be interpreted differently from Doctors who work with athletes. She was in Beverly Hills, out of my insurance network and costing me $260 per visit 2x per week.
I’ll finish this later
BB does not seem worth all this effort and pain in the ass.
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BB does not seem worth all this effort and pain in the ass.
Getting down to 5% bodyfat is not a healthy endeavor.
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Thanks guys. Just a bit of a wake up call on stemming from a blood panel. Never had any symptoms, BP has always ran a bit high. Had it under control for awhile but creeped back up. Been running normal for the last 21/2 months or so and numbers are slowly coming back. I know what most are thinking but after Dr’s opinions both concurred the PED’s were not a huge factor. It was everything else
Undoubtedly caused by a genetic abnormality.
Glad you became aware and are taking steps to recover.
California cannot afford to lose any conservative voter.
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During our first telemedicine meeting after he got the initial labs he sent this exact study. It originally was pointed out to me during a Doctors appointment who has never worked with athletes let alone bodybuilders. Primarily celebrities, general clients and female models BUT she is a great doctor and insisted I do FULL labs in the middle of a full contest cycle. I told her she would freak out, she understood. Labs came back that my eGFR was low and Creatnine levels high that would put me in stage 3 renal failure.
Of course I freaked, for scared but also understood that athletes and bodybuilders MIGHT be interpreted differently from Doctors who work with athletes. She was in Beverly Hills, out of my insurance network and costing me $260 per visit 2x per week.
I’ll finish this later
I think the kidney stages are confusing and I don’t know how this fits in with what the doctor said:
Stages 4 and 5 are clearly BAD.
Stages 1 (AND 2) fine. In my latest gfr result, the lab would not even post whether it was 1 or 2. They simply said Over 60, implying that measurements above 60 up to 90 and above fluctuate and are not really decisive
So that leaves Stage 3 (below 60) which is clearly borderline but NOT generally renal failure.
I am not a physician so please correct me if this is misleading. Still smart on your end not to push it.
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During our first telemedicine meeting after he got the initial labs he sent this exact study. It originally was pointed out to me during a Doctors appointment who has never worked with athletes let alone bodybuilders. Primarily celebrities, general clients and female models BUT she is a great doctor and insisted I do FULL labs in the middle of a full contest cycle. I told her she would freak out, she understood. Labs came back that my eGFR was low and Creatnine levels high that would put me in stage 3 renal failure.
Of course I freaked, for scared but also understood that athletes and bodybuilders MIGHT be interpreted differently from Doctors who work with athletes. She was in Beverly Hills, out of my insurance network and costing me $260 per visit 2x per week.
I’ll finish this later
.....that being said was recommended to an internist and nephrologist in my area and insurance network. The internist was the former head Doc for UCLA football. Aside from working with athletes, he’s worked with both power lifters and bodybuilders. After taking my history, meds, supplements, BP, etc he was concerned but was sure this could be turned around. Took more labs, gave instructions (I’ve already been off of everything for 3 weeks at that point) labs came back a week later with huge improvements.
He knew what I was taking (names of the gear, doses) and wasn’t so concerned with that as he was with everything else. So set the gear aside, the biggest contributors were off season blowing up at my highest to 252, 2 years straight of protein intake of no less than 300 and as high as 450grms per day, because of severe tendonitis in one forearm and a biceps tendon that kept slipping out along with a grade 2 slap tear in the other shoulder, it was either 800mgs or 2 Aleve EVERYDAY I trained for more that 2 years, caffeine, energy drink and pre workout everyday I trained and even thought I took a BP med what I was doing was overwhelming the meds and I wasn’t taking my BP readings regularly.
Fast forward to today, I stay between 205-210 BP Is about down to normal and have been upgraded to a stage 1 that puts me out of range of CKD.
Nephrologist concurred and said because of muscle mass the original doc should have added about 15-20 on to that first original reading. Ultrasound of kidneys, bladder and prostate came back normal (Kidney atrophy would have indicated chronic CKD) with no atrophy. Prostate, as normal for my age was slightly enlarged but nothing to worry about
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.....that being said was recommended to an internist and nephrologist in my area and insurance network. The internist was the former head Doc for UCLA football. Aside from working with athletes, he’s worked with both power lifters and bodybuilders. After taking my history, meds, supplements, BP, etc he was concerned but was sure this could be turned around. Took more labs, gave instructions (I’ve already been off of everything for 3 weeks at that point) labs came back a week later with huge improvements.
He knew what I was taking (names of the gear, doses) and wasn’t so concerned with that as he was with everything else. So set the gear aside, the biggest contributors were off season blowing up at my highest to 252, 2 years straight of protein intake of no less than 300 and as high as 450grms per day, because of severe tendonitis in one forearm and a biceps tendon that kept slipping out along with a grade 2 slap tear in the other shoulder, it was either 800mgs or 2 Aleve EVERYDAY I trained for more that 2 years, caffeine, energy drink and pre workout everyday I trained and even thought I took a BP med what I was doing was overwhelming the meds and I wasn’t taking my BP readings regularly.
Fast forward to today, I stay between 205-210 BP Is about down to normal and have been upgraded to a stage 1 that puts me out of range of CKD.
Nephrologist concurred and said because of muscle mass the original doc should have added about 15-20 on to that first original reading. Ultrasound of kidneys, bladder and prostate came back normal (Kidney atrophy would have indicated chronic CKD) with no atrophy. Prostate, as normal for my age was slightly enlarged but nothing to worry about
cool man,really in depth synopsis thanks for sharing,,we see your progress and size you added and forget what it takes to push and get there like all amateurs and pros its all or nothing.i think getting to a nice set lean muscular weight and good training will be on the better end of the spectrum in the long run and not be a tom prince'no pun intended'be well joe...to add i bet the otc supps could be worse over time 'pre workouts'uk jeff said the amino drinks he used could have given him stones or something of that nature.
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.....that being said was recommended to an internist and nephrologist in my area and insurance network. The internist was the former head Doc for UCLA football. Aside from working with athletes, he’s worked with both power lifters and bodybuilders. After taking my history, meds, supplements, BP, etc he was concerned but was sure this could be turned around. Took more labs, gave instructions (I’ve already been off of everything for 3 weeks at that point) labs came back a week later with huge improvements.
He knew what I was taking (names of the gear, doses) and wasn’t so concerned with that as he was with everything else. So set the gear aside, the biggest contributors were off season blowing up at my highest to 252, 2 years straight of protein intake of no less than 300 and as high as 450grms per day, because of severe tendonitis in one forearm and a biceps tendon that kept slipping out along with a grade 2 slap tear in the other shoulder, it was either 800mgs or 2 Aleve EVERYDAY I trained for more that 2 years, caffeine, energy drink and pre workout everyday I trained and even thought I took a BP med what I was doing was overwhelming the meds and I wasn’t taking my BP readings regularly.
Fast forward to today, I stay between 205-210 BP Is about down to normal and have been upgraded to a stage 1 that puts me out of range of CKD.
Nephrologist concurred and said because of muscle mass the original doc should have added about 15-20 on to that first original reading. Ultrasound of kidneys, bladder and prostate came back normal (Kidney atrophy would have indicated chronic CKD) with no atrophy. Prostate, as normal for my age was slightly enlarged but nothing to worry about
Coach man... you know better than to take something like that that is processed thru the liver continuously for so long...
Not criticising, just observing
Also, with the creatinine levels, just dropping the protein and reducing exercise frequency would help to bring that down, so never mind the gear - so did you stop training too?
All the best
Taf
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Coach man... you know better than to take something like that that is processed thru the liver continuously for so long...
Not criticising, just observing
Also, with the creatinine levels, just dropping the protein and reducing exercise frequency would help to bring that down, so never mind the gear - so did you stop training too?
All the best
Taf
nice post..
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cool man,really in depth synopsis thanks for sharing,,we see your progress and size you added and forget what it takes to push and get there like all amateurs and pros its all or nothing.i think getting to a nice set lean muscular weight and good training will be on the better end of the spectrum in the long run and not be a tom prince'no pun intended'be well joe...to add i bet the otc supps could be worse over time 'pre workouts'uk jeff said the amino drinks he used could have given him stones or something of that nature.
I got your IM, I’ll answer later today😎
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Coach man... you know better than to take something like that that is processed thru the liver continuously for so long...
Not criticising, just observing
Also, with the creatinine levels, just dropping the protein and reducing exercise frequency would help to bring that down, so never mind the gear - so did you stop training too?
All the best
Taf
Not criticizing at all, you’re right especially since I take no orals until the last 8 weeks before a show, none at all in the off season. I did reduced the weights and intensity since training does naturally produce higher creatnine levels. Mine at its highest was 2.21 it’s down to 1.6 now. Doc were more concerned with my eGFR than Creatnine.
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cool man,really in depth synopsis thanks for sharing,,we see your progress and size you added and forget what it takes to push and get there like all amateurs and pros its all or nothing.i think getting to a nice set lean muscular weight and good training will be on the better end of the spectrum in the long run and not be a tom prince'no pun intended'be well joe...to add i bet the otc supps could be worse over time 'pre workouts'uk jeff said the amino drinks he used could have given him stones or something of that nature.
My stones were oxalate stones, but I think it was the BCAAs that aded to my woes, that and a certain supp that left me consistently dehydrated with night sweats
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Does training really affect creatinine acutely?
I know training raises liver enzymes, so steroid users should check GGT and not just AST and ALT. I don't know much about kidneys. Creatinine is higher naturally in people with high muscle mass, that's what my doc told me, but didn't say anything about training affecting it.
My creatinine was high a few weeks ago and I had a stomach bug at that time. I thought maybe being in a catabolic state raised creatinine. But they only said it can get high from dehydration. A week later creatinine was fine again.
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Not criticizing at all, you’re right especially since I take no orals until the last 8 weeks before a show, none at all in the off season. I did reduced the weights and intensity since training does naturally produce higher creatnine levels. Mine at its highest was 2.21 it’s down to 1.6 now. Doc were more concerned with my eGFR than Creatnine.
Sure - completely understand that - (low) eGFR for a drinker is one thing (bad news but reversible/manageable) but for a muscular low-fat guy keeping an eye on his diet? Fugettaboutit ;D
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My stones were oxalate stones, but I think it was the BCAAs that aded to my woes, that and a certain supp that left me consistently dehydrated with night sweats
Tren?
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I think the kidney stages are confusing and I don’t know how this fits in with what the doctor said:
Stages 4 and 5 are clearly BAD.
Stages 1 (AND 2) fine. In my latest gfr result, the lab would not even post whether it was 1 or 2. They simply said Over 60, implying that measurements above 60 up to 90 and above fluctuate and are not really decisive
So that leaves Stage 3 (below 60) which is clearly borderline but NOT generally renal failure.
I am not a physician so please correct me if this is misleading. Still smart on your end not to push it.
So after the initial panic from the first doctor, I started doing a ton of research. Unfortunately aside from the study posted on here by Walter White that my nephrologist emailed me when we first met, there isn’t a whole lot of research that I’ve found even on PubMed about this as it pertains to bodybuilding and as my nephrologist said, there should be a subcategory for special population such as athletes, bodybuilding, etc. but there really isn’t.
But what I’ve found for the general pop isn’t too reassuring once you hit that stage 3-3b once you’re at that stage the only thing you can really do is slow the progression of CKD. In most cases (from what I understand) once you’re in the stage 4 phase then it’s time to start thinking about getting on a transplant list because the progression accelerates to stage 5 pretty quick (end stage renal failure) once that happens it could be a matter of being on dialysis until a kidney match is made.
Here is a great, informative video I found from UCLA Health
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So after the initial panic from the first doctor, I started doing a ton of research. Unfortunately aside from the study posted on here by Walter White that my nephrologist emailed me when we first met, there isn’t a whole lot of research that I’ve found even on PubMed about this as it pertains to bodybuilding and as my nephrologist said, there should be a subcategory for special population such as athletes, bodybuilding, etc. but there really isn’t.
But what I’ve found for the general pop isn’t too reassuring once you hit that stage 3-3b once you’re at that stage the only thing you can really do is slow the progression of CKD. In most cases (from what I understand) once you’re in the stage 4 phase then it’s time to start thinking about getting on a transplant list because the progression accelerates to stage 5 pretty quick (end stage renal failure) once that happens it could be a matter of being on dialysis until a kidney match is made.
Here is a great, informative video I found from UCLA Health
Not to seem uneducated on this but either way isn’t a damaged or a possible reversed scenario the same whether your an athlete or not.i mean other than genetic conditions that progressed ,a kidney damaged from a sport or working hard overtime from a bodybuilding standpoint the same?or is a bodybuilder situation treated differently
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Does training really affect creatinine acutely?
I know training raises liver enzymes, so steroid users should check GGT and not just AST and ALT. I don't know much about kidneys. Creatinine is higher naturally in people with high muscle mass, that's what my doc told me, but didn't say anything about training affecting it.
My creatinine was high a few weeks ago and I had a stomach bug at that time. I thought maybe being in a catabolic state raised creatinine. But they only said it can get high from dehydration. A week later creatinine was fine again.
Yes, it does acutely affect it which is why I had to cut back on the intensity of my training. Muscle mass affects creatnine levels whether healthy or not. In my case, as for right now, it might keep my creatnine levels elevated for longer than the average healthy person until at least my number have come down to normal range, but again, as I was told by my nephrologist, it’s the eGFR (Glomerular Filtration Rate) and he reminded me that the “e” in the GFR stands for “estimated” so the numbers might vary.
I was like you when looking at labs for my BB clients looking more at the GGT, now I’m looking more at Creatnine levels, BUN and eGFR. If Creatnine is out of range and if the eGFR is on the Middle to low end of the 60-89 range. I won’t proceed until they get checked out and cleared by their doctor
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Yes, it does acutely affect it which is why I had to cut back on the intensity of my training. Muscle mass affects creatnine levels whether healthy or not. In my case, as for right now, it might keep my creatnine levels elevated for longer than the average healthy person until at least my number have come down to normal range, but again, as I was told by my nephrologist, it’s the eGFR (Glomerular Filtration Rate) and he reminded me that the “e” in the GFR stands for “estimated” so the numbers might vary.
I was like you when looking at labs for my BB clients looking more at the GGT, now I’m looking more at Creatnine levels, BUN and eGFR. If Creatnine is out of range and if the eGFR is on the Middle to low end of the 60-89 range. I won’t proceed until they get checked out and cleared by their doctor
I read this so it answered my post.i see where a bodybuilder is a different scenario than a normal person would be with same scenario or close to it.
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I read this so it answered my post.i see where a bodybuilder is a different scenario than a normal person would be with same scenario or close to it.
Competitive Bodybuilding is an all round 24/7 job when done “right”. Athletes in general (take NFL athletes for example) train hard in the weight room and hard in the field but still have to deal with mostly orthopedic injuries. Their diets aren’t like ours and diets are more balanced (when in camp, when their not in camp it’s whatever) they’re in class for 2-3hrs In the morning, on the field for another 2-3hrs then back in class for another hour or two.
Bodybuilding is cardio, eat, eat , eat, train, eat, cardio, eat...sleep as you know the entire game In the off-season is hypertrophy, precontest it’s hypertrophy, retaining mass and dropping fat. Simple concept not simple to do.
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Competitive Bodybuilding is an all round 24/7 job when done “right”. Athletes in general (take NFL athletes for example) train hard in the weight room and hard in the field but still have to deal with mostly orthopedic injuries. Their diets aren’t like ours and diets are more balanced (when in camp, when their not in camp it’s whatever) they’re in class for 2-3hrs In the morning, on the field for another 2-3hrs then back in class for another hour or two.
Bodybuilding is cardio, eat, eat , eat, train, eat, cardio, eat...sleep as you know the entire game In the off-season is hypertrophy, precontest it’s hypertrophy, retaining mass and dropping fat. Simple concept not simple to do.
Qft.
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.....that being said was recommended to an internist and nephrologist in my area and insurance network. The internist was the former head Doc for UCLA football. Aside from working with athletes, he’s worked with both power lifters and bodybuilders. After taking my history, meds, supplements, BP, etc he was concerned but was sure this could be turned around. Took more labs, gave instructions (I’ve already been off of everything for 3 weeks at that point) labs came back a week later with huge improvements.
He knew what I was taking (names of the gear, doses) and wasn’t so concerned with that as he was with everything else. So set the gear aside, the biggest contributors were off season blowing up at my highest to 252, 2 years straight of protein intake of no less than 300 and as high as 450grms per day, because of severe tendonitis in one forearm and a biceps tendon that kept slipping out along with a grade 2 slap tear in the other shoulder, it was either 800mgs or 2 Aleve EVERYDAY I trained for more that 2 years, caffeine, energy drink and pre workout everyday I trained and even thought I took a BP med what I was doing was overwhelming the meds and I wasn’t taking my BP readings regularly.
Fast forward to today, I stay between 205-210 BP Is about down to normal and have been upgraded to a stage 1 that puts me out of range of CKD.
Nephrologist concurred and said because of muscle mass the original doc should have added about 15-20 on to that first original reading. Ultrasound of kidneys, bladder and prostate came back normal (Kidney atrophy would have indicated chronic CKD) with no atrophy. Prostate, as normal for my age was slightly enlarged but nothing to worry about
Holy shit you're stupid, you're doing this for what? Plastic trophy? People looking at you posing in thongs and clapping for 2 seconds (if lucky)?
In other words, I fully approve what you're doing - it's awesome
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Holy shit you're stupid, you're doing this for what? Plastic trophy? People looking at you posing in thongs and clapping for 2 seconds (if lucky)?
In other words, I fully approve what you're doing - it's awesome
I’ll take that hit. I have a good genetics that run in both my moms and dads sides. No heart diseases, no cancers. I’ll be 58 in 5 days and thankful the docs are optimistic I’ll make a full recovery as long as my BP is under control. It was the high BP that really caused the injury (“injury“ is a real diagnosis apparently)
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Yes, it does acutely affect it which is why I had to cut back on the intensity of my training. Muscle mass affects creatnine levels whether healthy or not. In my case, as for right now, it might keep my creatnine levels elevated for longer than the average healthy person until at least my number have come down to normal range, but again, as I was told by my nephrologist, it’s the eGFR (Glomerular Filtration Rate) and he reminded me that the “e” in the GFR stands for “estimated” so the numbers might vary.
I was like you when looking at labs for my BB clients looking more at the GGT, now I’m looking more at Creatnine levels, BUN and eGFR. If Creatnine is out of range and if the eGFR is on the Middle to low end of the 60-89 range. I won’t proceed until they get checked out and cleared by their doctor
The way I understand it you need a 24 hour pisstest for a "real" creatinine number, the eGFR is therefore an estimate of a snapshot value.
I don't know if creatinine itself is toxic, haven't got a good answer for that. Creatine supps can raise creatinine but there is little evidence that it's bad for the kidneys. Some studies of creatine supps in CKD says it's probably safe.
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My stones were oxalate stones, but I think it was the BCAAs that aded to my woes, that and a certain supp that left me consistently dehydrated with night sweats
Plant foods like spinnach are really high in oxalates, doubt BCAAs were the cause of your problems
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The way I understand it you need a 24 hour pisstest for a "real" creatinine number, the eGFR is therefore an estimate of a snapshot value.
I don't know if creatinine itself is toxic, haven't got a good answer for that. Creatine supps can raise creatinine but there is little evidence that it's bad for the kidneys. Some studies of creatine supps in CKD says it's probably safe.
I am no expert... but as I understand it, creatinine levels aren't toxic in and of themselves, they just indicate either:
1. An increased amount of muscle 'damage' (the good sort that causes DOMS or the bad sort caused by injury/surgery)
or
2. A supra-nominal level of protein intake
or
3. A combination of both enhanced by anabolics
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I am no expert... but as I understand it, creatinine levels aren't toxic in and of themselves, they just indicate either:
1. An increased amount of muscle 'damage' (the good sort that causes DOMS or the bad sort caused by injury/surgery)
or
2. A supra-nominal level of protein intake
or
3. A combination of both enhanced by anabolics
Creatnine itself is a waste product thatS in the blood that filters through the kidneys. Although it’s not a way to gauge kidney function, if the levels are too high and GFR is low that usually means waste (toxins) are not filtering as they should. I’ve drastically had to cut my protein from right around a normal intake of 300-350 to half of that or less.
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Plant foods like spinnach are really high in oxalates, doubt BCAAs were the cause of your problems
I dont eat plants very much, I didnt back then and I haven't eaten any plants since Xmas last year
Dont eat fruit either, just meat eggs and dairy
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I dont eat plants very much, I didnt back then and I haven't eaten any plants since Xmas last year
Dont eat fruit either, just meat eggs and dairy
Plant food is what food eats.