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South Korea and the United States both had their first official coronavirus case on the same day (that we knew of at the time)
South Korea's leaders acted swiftly and aggressively to detect and isolate the virus and within a week of its first confirmed case, South Korea’s disease control agency had summoned 20 private companies to the medical equivalent of a war-planning summit and told them to develop a test for the virus at lightning speed. A week after that, the first diagnostic test was approved and went into battle, identifying infected individuals who could then be quarantined to halt the advance of the disease.
Let's see how that's worked out
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The other country was led by a FUCKING MORON who attempted to employ his usual tactics
1. Totally ignore the problem even after being repeatedly warned
2. Continue to ignore the problem but started downplaying it
3. Starting the next phase of his standard opertating procedure which is lie about it and attempt to ridicule his political opponents
4. This is the rarely seen stage where he is forced to acknowledge the problem but continue to lie and do nothing
5. More doing nothing while lying about doing something and also adding in complaining about how people aren't praising him enough
6. More lies, boredom, stupid suggestions such as injecting yourself with household cleaner
7. Whine and complain some more while still doing nothing
8. Provide protocols for when the country can open and then immediately ignore those protocols and suppress additional protocal by the CDC
9. Suggest that your citizens become "warriors" and expose themselves to a potentially deadly disease in order to prop up your increasingly dismal politicla prospects
and here is the result of that "plan"
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We're going to continue having a 1000+ people dying from this every day until Trumptard finally figures out that we need NATIONAL PLAN for TESTING, ISOLATION (for positive tests) and CONTACT TRACING
That's the only way to get a handle on this thing
There are now saliva test approved by the FDA which does not require medical personal in PPE to administer.
These tests should be available FREE OF CHARGE in every pharmacy in every Walmart, Walgreens, CVS, etc all over the country
Everyone who wants to work, go to the gym, restaurant, etc.. needs to get tested once a month (i.e spit in a cup) and probably makes sense to do a forehead temperature check for anyone entering a gym, restaurant, etc..
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Do you EVER get tired of losing?
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Do you EVER get tired of losing?
Losing what?
Dems won the last two elections and are very likely to win the next one
Other than that I'm doing fine
I've worked the entire time (made over 20k in April) and built a decent home gym in my garage
If you don't enjoy seeing FACTS about your Idiot Messiah then don't read my posts
Go back to the G&O board where you get flamed every day for being a whiny little bitch
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Losing what?
Dems won the last two elections and are very likely to win the next one
Other than that I'm doing fine
I've worked the entire time (made over 20k in April) and built a decent home gym in my garage
If you don't enjoy seeing FACTS about your Idiot Messiah then don't read my posts
Go back to the G&O board where you get flamed every day for being a whiny little bitch
Name one conspiracy theory that the left has perpetrated that hasn't blown up their faces? The elections? hahaha, nothing like passing a ballot harvesting bill with republicans not involved. You actually think the left can win on ANY issue? Now they want mail-in voting...why? because they know they can't win.
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Name one conspiracy theory that the left has perpetrated that hasn't blown up their faces? The elections? hahaha, nothing like passing a ballot harvesting bill with republicans not involved. You actually think the left can win on ANY issue? Now they want mail-in voting...why? because they know they can't win.
fuck conspiracy theories
This thread is about FACTS
Would you like to discuss why South Korea was able to get a handle on this while our so called leader seems both incapable and unwilling to do anything other than whine and complain and now he's asking people to die in order to save his political prospects.
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fuck conspiracy theories
This thread is about FACTS
Would you like to discuss why South Korea was able to get a handle on this while our so called leader seems both incapable and unwilling to do anything other than whine and complain and now he's asking people to die in order to save his political prospects.
Oh I see, now that the left has spent four fucking years contriving conspiracy theories to oust Trump now its “fuck conspiracy theories” you’re demented
Why does the left (including you) keep covering for China where it all started? I’ll be waiting for your answer soy boy
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Oh I see, now that the left has spent four fucking years contriving conspiracy theories to oust Trump now its “fuck conspiracy theories” you’re demented
Why does the left (including you) keep covering for China where it all started? I’ll be waiting for your answer soy boy
I see you're having a hard time focusing
this thread is comparing South Korea's actions and result to the United States
Make your own thread if you want to piss and moan about idiotic conpiracy theories
This thread is about FACTS
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I see you're having a hard time focusing
this thread is comparing South Korea's actions and result to the United States
Make your own thread if you want to piss and moan about idiotic conpiracy theories
This thread is about FACTS
Way to move the goal posts
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Way to move the goal posts
LOL
Did you drink bleach today
this thread is about comparing South Korea's response and result to United States response and result
It's pretty obvious you want to avoid discussing this subject so start your own thread if you want to change the subject
I'll be happy to post on that thread and destroy you there
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Straw Man has DECIMATED Trump supporters with simple facts. That's all it takes.
Good job Straw Man, good job.
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South Korea is not similar to the USA in any way.
It is run like a totalitarian country.
Thus it is simple for them to command the people to do whatever is required.
Americans are independent and don't like to be told what to do. They resist complying with orders and question everything.
This has been quite evident with the many instances of Americans refusing to comply with social distancing.
Straw, you should move to South Korea and live there and you'll be safe from Covid-19 and you can be a robot who follows orders.
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South Korea is not similar to the USA in any way.
It is run like a totalitarian country.
Thus it is simple for them to command the people to do whatever is required.
Americans are independent and don't like to be told what to do. They resist complying with orders and question everything.
This has been quite evident with the many instances of Americans refusing to comply with social distancing.
Straw, you should move to South Korea and live there and you'll be safe from Covid-19 and you can be a robot who follows orders.
South Korea is a not a totalitarian country
They also didn't have to shut down their country
Isn't that the ONE THING that everyone here is bitching about.
We locked down but didn't do ANYTHING else and we have over a million verified cases and approaching 100k in death
So... nationwide testing, isolation and contact tracing with NO LOCKDOWN and they have 256 deaths in the entire country
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Straw Man has DECIMATED Trump supporters with simple facts. That's all it takes.
Good job Straw Man, good job.
Strawman 2020!
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The CDC fucked up the creation of the tests.
That was a major contributor.
But the Feb "lost month" is hindsight. On March 2, there were 100 cases in the US. A lockdown would have been impossible, and completely fought by the Democrats.
Plus, Fauci and Birx were not suggesting we close at this time at all.
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The other country was led by a FUCKING MORON who attempted to employ his usual tactics
1. Totally ignore the problem even after being repeatedly warned
2. Continue to ignore the problem but started downplaying it
3. Starting the next phase of his standard opertating procedure which is lie about it and attempt to ridicule his political opponents
4. This is the rarely seen stage where he is forced to acknowledge the problem but continue to lie and do nothing
5. More doing nothing while lying about doing something and also adding in complaining about how people aren't praising him enough
6. More lies, boredom, stupid suggestions such as injecting yourself with household cleaner
7. Whine and complain some more while still doing nothing
8. Provide protocols for when the country can open and then immediately ignore those protocols and suppress additional protocal by the CDC
9. Suggest that your citizens become "warriors" and expose themselves to a potentially deadly disease in order to prop up your increasingly dismal politicla prospects
and here is the result of that "plan"
I'm interested if you can link me to your thread about the muzzie half breed and his actions when the h1n1 was killing people at an alarming rate?
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The Barack Oblowjob deep state Dem cawksuckers get caught in the act of treason.
So all of a sudden the Covid-19 response is of interest to the dullest knives in the drawer.
Trump's response to this pandemic has been 1000 times better than any blue-state, shriveled dick liberal POS governor. America will return to work well ahead of the rest of the world and the economy will roar back to record levels all because of President Donald Trump's historic leadership.
Democrats will be looking at a 2020 election where their senile serial sexual assaulter candidate is facing rape, bribery, and perjury charges on the day of the first Presidential debate. Trump's win will be by a historic margin, paving the way for eight years of a Trump Jr. presidency.
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fuck conspiracy theories
This thread is about FACTS
Would you like to discuss why South Korea was able to get a handle on this while our so called leader seems both incapable and unwilling to do anything other than whine and complain and now he's asking people to die in order to save his political prospects.
Your tenacity is admirable. Your warped, brainwashed thought process is cringeworthy.
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Your tenacity is admirable. Your warped, brainwashed thought process is cringeworthy.
Then counter with facts. You can't.
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Then counter with facts. You can't.
Your hero posted his opinion of a timeline of events.
BTW, just read South Korea, (maybe your hero should move there?) is closing down again, because they took such huge measures to stomp out he virus. ::)
Herd immunity for the win!!
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Then counter with facts. You can't.
The CDC fucked up the creation of the tests.
That was a major contributor.
But the Feb "lost month" is hindsight. On March 2, there were 100 cases in the US. A lockdown would have been impossible, and completely fought by the Democrats.
Plus, Fauci and Birx were not suggesting we close at this time at all.
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I'm interested if you can link me to your thread about the muzzie half breed and his actions when the h1n1 was killing people at an alarming rate?
go ahead and post the H1N1 stats so we can compare infection rate and death rate
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Your tenacity is admirable. Your warped, brainwashed thought process is cringeworthy.
Like most Trumptards I see you can't actually address anything in my post
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The CDC fucked up the creation of the tests.
That was a major contributor.
But the Feb "lost month" is hindsight. On March 2, there were 100 cases in the US. A lockdown would have been impossible, and completely fought by the Democrats.
Plus, Fauci and Birx were not suggesting we close at this time at all.
yep, that happened.
tell us more about how and why that happened and who made that decision
Also don't forget while that was happening Trump was LYING about the virus and his administrations response just like he's continued to do through the present day
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The other country was led by a FUCKING MORON who attempted to employ his usual tactics
1. Totally ignore the problem even after being repeatedly warned
2. Continue to ignore the problem but started downplaying it
3. Starting the next phase of his standard opertating procedure which is lie about it and attempt to ridicule his political opponents
4. This is the rarely seen stage where he is forced to acknowledge the problem but continue to lie and do nothing
5. More doing nothing while lying about doing something and also adding in complaining about how people aren't praising him enough
6. More lies, boredom, stupid suggestions such as injecting yourself with household cleaner
7. Whine and complain some more while still doing nothing
8. Provide protocols for when the country can open and then immediately ignore those protocols and suppress additional protocal by the CDC
9. Suggest that your citizens become "warriors" and expose themselves to a potentially deadly disease in order to prop up your increasingly dismal politicla prospects
and here is the result of that "plan"
:)winning
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yep, that happened.
tell us more about how and why that happened and who made that decision
Also don't forget while that was happening Trump was LYING about the virus and his administrations response just like he's continued to do through the present day
in your own words (without copy and paste from fake news) tell us the lies...but you cant as usual...
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in your own words (without copy and paste from fake news) tell us the lies...but you cant as usual...
My post was my own words except for some excerpts about what exactly South Korea did in the first weeks after they had their first case (no reason not to copy of paste that data as I had previosuly cited it in another post)
Please clarify exactly what part of my post you think is "fake news"
Looking forward to seeing that from you
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Your hero posted his opinion of a timeline of events.
BTW, just read South Korea, (maybe your hero should move there?) is closing down again, because they took such huge measures to stomp out he virus. ::)
Herd immunity for the win!!
they are not closing down the country like we did
they are closing down "nightclubs, discos, hostess bars and other similar nightlife establishments in the capital"
they never should have opened those back up in the first place
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It's funny that those who criticize him for the state of the economy also want him to continue the lockdown which......hurts the economy.
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We're going to continue having a 1000+ people dying from this every day until Trumptard finally figures out that we need NATIONAL PLAN for TESTING, ISOLATION (for positive tests) and CONTACT TRACING
That's the only way to get a handle on this thing
There are now saliva test approved by the FDA which does not require medical personal in PPE to administer.
These tests should be available FREE OF CHARGE in every pharmacy in every Walmart, Walgreens, CVS, etc all over the country
Everyone who wants to work, go to the gym, restaurant, etc.. needs to get tested once a month (i.e spit in a cup) and probably makes sense to do a forehead temperature check for anyone entering a gym, restaurant, etc..
I hear it every day. We need to test 500 million a day. We need to have contact tracing. Ok, what does that look like? Think about what would go into contact tracing each case of COVID,, is it even possible at this national level or is it just a good bumper sticker slogan?
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in your own words (without copy and paste from fake news) tell us the lies...but you cant as usual...
Would you consider "There are 15 cases, it will soon be down to zero cases" as a lie or ignorance of astronomical proportions?
Would you consider "“Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.” that he stated on March 6 a lie, or ignorance of astronomical proportions?
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(https://i.imgflip.com/40tw5a.jpg)
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Comparing to South Korea is not accurate.
Is there a similar chart comparing the US to the EU?
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Would you consider "There are 15 cases, it will soon be down to zero cases" as a lie or ignorance of astronomical proportions?
Would you consider "“Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.” that he stated on March 6 a lie, or ignorance of astronomical proportions?
Optimism.
Regardless of his outlook, his actions were not based on statements like the one above - he listened to Fauci and Birx.
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It's funny that those who criticize him for the state of the economy also want him to continue the lockdown which......hurts the economy.
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it's a shame that something like this is politicized what happened to we're all Americans. the facts are in my state pa the coronoa killed 2688 compared to the flu killing 102 in a longer period. i think the gov't was slow acting not realizing the consequences. we should keep the country locked down a little longer so that we don't have to do it a second time months from now. just my opinion.
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it's a shame that something like this is politicized what happened to we're all Americans. the facts are in my state pa the coronoa killed 2688 compared to the flu killing 102 in a longer period. i think the gov't was slow acting not realizing the consequences. we should keep the country locked down a little longer so that we don't have to do it a second time months from now. just my opinion.
I’ve said repeatedly all governments have made mistakes to some degree, but following the timeline shows earlier lockdown near impossible. The CDC botching the tests are what put us behind I think.
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I’ve said repeatedly all governments have made mistakes to some degree, but following the timeline shows earlier lockdown near impossible. The CDC botching the tests are what put us behind I think.
it's hard to say, i used to think it was strange to see people in other countries walking around with masks on, now it's a common sight in the good old USA.
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it's a shame that something like this is politicized what happened to we're all Americans. the facts are in my state pa the coronoa killed 2688 compared to the flu killing 102 in a longer period. i think the gov't was slow acting not realizing the consequences. we should keep the country locked down a little longer so that we don't have to do it a second time months from now. just my opinion.
Fact is your stats are wrong and at this point nobody will know the truth about any of these numbers. Unfortunately far too many Drs have put the Rona down as a cause of death strictly for the money the federal government gives the hospitals.
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Not following how this was relevant to the discussion.
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Would you consider "There are 15 cases, it will soon be down to zero cases" as a lie or ignorance of astronomical proportions?
Would you consider "“Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.” that he stated on March 6 a lie, or ignorance of astronomical proportions?
Do you think Biden/pelosi and all mainstream media that said the ban on China travel Jan 31 was racist be congratulated ?
Its up to the state's to implement tests, the federal government supplies the test kits to the states. NY for example led by a liberal failed miserably to perform the tests.
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It is sad that liberals actually think that this has credence, it would be like saying that the $150 billion Obama paid to terrorists could of fed millions of homeless ?? or it that a true statement ?
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https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1259293255692361730?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1259293255692361730?s=21
China has its own set of rules, none.
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Not following how this was relevant to the discussion.
i'm just trying to make the point that, that's why we america have to keep our eye on the so-called shit hole countries. because it is from these shit hole countries that viruses and such originate.
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Optimism.
Regardless of his outlook, his actions were not based on statements like the one above - he listened to Fauci and Birx.
Eventually.. but certainly not initially.
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Do you think Biden/pelosi and all mainstream media that said the ban on China travel Jan 31 was racist be congratulated ?
Its up to the state's to implement tests, the federal government supplies the test kits to the states. NY for example led by a liberal failed miserably to perform the tests.
cool, but could you answer the questions?
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Spending rose to $4.0 trillion or 20.8% GDP in FY2017, the last year budgeted by President Obama. The budget deficit reached 9.9% GDP in 2009, before minimally recovering to 2.1% GDP by 2015, below the historical average (1970–2015) of 2.8% GDP.
During the Obama Administration there were 3 million more people on unemployment than there were available jobs.
During the Trump Administration there are over 2 million more jobs available than people looking for work.
It took a global pandemic and failed gubernatorial policies by blue state to governors to finally slow the Trump economy down to the level of eight years of the failed Obama economic disaster.
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Eventually.. but certainly not initially.
Can you show us that on the timeline?
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Can you show us that on the timeline?
I could but it doesn't really matter
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I could but it doesn't really matter
It was a sincere question. I want to know - I don’t blindly follow either party.
I will just assume it doesn’t support your statement.
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It was a sincere question. I want to know - I don’t blindly follow either party.
I will just assume it doesn’t support your statement.
Feb. 11
At a WHO briefing, Tedros urged world leaders to give priority to containing the virus: "To be honest, a virus is more powerful in creating political, economic and social upheaval than any terrorist attack. A virus can have more powerful consequences than any terrorist action, and that's true. If the world doesn't want to wake up and consider this enemy virus as Public Enemy Number 1, I don't think we will learn our lessons."
Feb. 13
In an interview with Geraldo Rivera, Trump characterized the threat of the virus in the U.S. by saying: "In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases, and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less."
Feb. 24
In a tweet, Trump wrote, "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
Feb. 26
In a news conference, Trump said: "When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
Feb. 28
The WHO raises the global risk of the coronavirus from "high" to "very high."
February 28, Trump said that coronavirus will “disappear” like a “miracle” while speaking at a press conference for his coronavirus task force. On Tuesday, he told reporters on Capitol Hill that coronavirus “will go away.” In late February, he speculated that warm weather would kill the virus and stop its spread. None of these statements are backed by science or infectious disease experts within his own administration.
March 4 phone call with Hannity, Trump compared coronavirus with the flu. He mentioned that the flu kills anywhere between 27,000 and 77,000 people every year, implying that coronavirus isn’t as serious of a threat to public health as Influenza.
Trump’s own infectious disease experts have said that idea is wrong. Dr. Fauci told Congress on March 11 that “the mortality of [Covid-19] is multiple times what the seasonal flu is.”
etc etc...
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It was a sincere question. I want to know - I don’t blindly follow either party.
I will just assume it doesn’t support your statement.
Sorry I gave that impression. I don't interact with you very often and assumed you were asking in the vein of "Can you give an example of a time when Trump lied" kind of thing. In those cases, I could list 20 examples of lies and it would be dismissed out of hand. I apologize for the lack of response
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There isn’t a liberal on the planet that could competently defend this memes....NOT ONE
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Feb. 11
At a WHO briefing, Tedros urged world leaders to give priority to containing the virus: "To be honest, a virus is more powerful in creating political, economic and social upheaval than any terrorist attack. A virus can have more powerful consequences than any terrorist action, and that's true. If the world doesn't want to wake up and consider this enemy virus as Public Enemy Number 1, I don't think we will learn our lessons."
Feb. 13
In an interview with Geraldo Rivera, Trump characterized the threat of the virus in the U.S. by saying: "In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases, and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less."
Feb. 24
In a tweet, Trump wrote, "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
Feb. 26
In a news conference, Trump said: "When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
Feb. 28
The WHO raises the global risk of the coronavirus from "high" to "very high."
February 28, Trump said that coronavirus will “disappear” like a “miracle” while speaking at a press conference for his coronavirus task force. On Tuesday, he told reporters on Capitol Hill that coronavirus “will go away.” In late February, he speculated that warm weather would kill the virus and stop its spread. None of these statements are backed by science or infectious disease experts within his own administration.
March 4 phone call with Hannity, Trump compared coronavirus with the flu. He mentioned that the flu kills anywhere between 27,000 and 77,000 people every year, implying that coronavirus isn’t as serious of a threat to public health as Influenza.
Trump’s own infectious disease experts have said that idea is wrong. Dr. Fauci told Congress on March 11 that “the mortality of [Covid-19] is multiple times what the seasonal flu is.”
etc etc...
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/
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How is Adam Schiff charting ;D.
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Sorry I gave that impression. I don't interact with you very often and assumed you were asking in the vein of "Can you give an example of a time when Trump lied" kind of thing. In those cases, I could list 20 examples of lies and it would be dismissed out of hand. I apologize for the lack of response
It's fine man, no apologies necessary.
I think big tech and a dishonest media are bigger threats than whichever political party is in office, and I don't agree with everything the administration does, but I've found myself becoming more and more anti democrat. I think they've lost their way with the ultra progressiveness and anti-Trump obsession, which is how we ended up with Biden as the nominee.
Back to that timeline, there were 100 cases in the US on March 2. Shutdown was impossible, nor was it suggested at the time by Fauci and Birx. I don't know what people think was supposed to be the correct course of action.
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It's fine man, no apologies necessary.
I think big tech and a dishonest media are bigger threats than whichever political party is in office, and I don't agree with everything the administration does, but I've found myself becoming more and more anti democrat. I think they've lost their way with the ultra progressiveness and anti-Trump obsession, which is how we ended up with Biden as the nominee.
Back to that timeline, there were 100 cases in the US on March 2. Shutdown was impossible, nor was it suggested at the time by Fauci and Birx. I don't know what people think was supposed to be the correct course of action.
I personally am not drove up about Trumps initial response. I wasn't privy to his daily briefings from intel so I don't know how much more information he had than I did. But even I knew those 15 cases weren't going to be zero at that point.
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I personally am not drove up about Trumps initial response. I wasn't privy to his daily briefings from intel so I don't know how much more information he had than I did. But even I knew those 15 cases weren't going to be zero at that point.
This is were I go back to rhetoric vs action.
He's overly optimistic - it fits his personality and desire to "fix" and be the Man. It didn't dictate his actions. For example he SAID "I'd think opening by Easter would be idea"....but he didn't lift the lockdown based on the advice from the medical community.
I'm over nitpicking his style at this point. It is what it is and it's not changing. The best way I saw it put was this: His detractors take him literally, while his supporters take him seriously.