Shamrock has some serious arm veins there. ^ken is wrestling yet in TNA
The Shamrock brothers were great fighters. Still are most likely.
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Didn’t watch it, faggot. Go back to your podunk shithole cities four person protest and eat a bag of shit flavored dicks.
LOL @ "shit flavored dicks"the man certainly has a way with words. i have to give him that.
The stuff that people come up with here -- pure gold!
Shamrock has some serious arm veins there. ^
The Shamrock brothers were great fighters. Still are most likely.
His brother was the better fighter. Frank was unbeatable at his peak. I don't think they are blood related because of adoption. Ken Shamrock's second fight against Royce was a disgrace. He used a wrestling method called stalling. In Olympic wrestling the ref would stand you up if you held and rested. Ken just kept Royce in a hold and never attempted to win. Just a low life move.
His brother was the better fighter. Frank was unbeatable at his peak. I don't think they are blood related because of adoption. Ken Shamrock's second fight against Royce was a disgrace. He used a wrestling method called stalling. In Olympic wrestling the ref would stand you up if you held and rested. Ken just kept Royce in a hold and never attempted to win. Just a low life move.
His brother was the better fighter. Frank was unbeatable at his peak. I don't think they are blood related because of adoption. Ken Shamrock's second fight against Royce was a disgrace. He used a wrestling method called stalling. In Olympic wrestling the ref would stand you up if you held and rested. Ken just kept Royce in a hold and never attempted to win. Just a low life move.
Ken also did a bunch of fixed fights ( let others win ) just because of the money.
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That's interesting, which fights Kwon?Shammy VS Rich Franklin
Ken did an interview once where he stated that the only man he feared was Steve Blackman (fellow WWE wrestler). He said Steve would have mopped the floor with most of the guys competing in MMA back then. In his book, Bob Holly writes that when WWE hosted the Brawl For It All most of the wrestlers competing in it were so scared of Blackman that they refused to enter into a legitimate fight against Blackman, so WWE had Blackman suffer an "injury" after winning his first fight and withdrawing.Too bad Blackman was a terrible professional wrestler.
Shammy VS Rich Franklin
Shamrock supposedly dropped to go for an ankle lock then Franklin hit him with a glancing blow on the way down, and Ken just lay there not defending himself until the ref stoppage, at which point he got up and seemed to be the picture of health.
IIRC, Shamrock was paid a flat fee of $250,000 to show, no win bonus. Couple that with the fact that the UFC needed to put Franklin over for the UFC fans as they were grooming him to be the next big thing...
I am sure Ken got an extra Locker-room bonus from Dana since they wanted Rich to be the next big thing. Franklin didn't know Ken was taking a dive though.
Ken thought the paychecks would keep coming if he kept putting over the posterboys, which is why he was shocked when Zuffa cut him off the roster.
Ken was a companyman, Frank was not.
Too bad Blackman was a terrible professional wrestler.
I remember watching that fight live when I was a kid.
Ken obviously took the fall.
Between that and other questionable things, leaves one the conclusion that Ken is no hero and actually sort of shit.
Ken did an interview once where he stated that the only man he feared was Steve Blackman (fellow WWE wrestler). He said Steve would have mopped the floor with most of the guys competing in MMA back then. In his book, Bob Holly writes that when WWE hosted the Brawl For It All most of the wrestlers competing in it were so scared of Blackman that they refused to enter into a legitimate fight against Blackman, so WWE had Blackman suffer an "injury" after winning his first fight and withdrawing.
Shammy VS Rich Franklin
Shamrock supposedly dropped to go for an ankle lock then Franklin hit him with a glancing blow on the way down, and Ken just lay there not defending himself until the ref stoppage, at which point he got up and seemed to be the picture of health.
IIRC, Shamrock was paid a flat fee of $250,000 to show, no win bonus. Couple that with the fact that the UFC needed to put Franklin over for the UFC fans as they were grooming him to be the next big thing...
I am sure Ken got an extra Locker-room bonus from Dana since they wanted Rich to be the next big thing. Franklin didn't know Ken was taking a dive though.
Ken thought the paychecks would keep coming if he kept putting over the posterboys, which is why he was shocked when Zuffa cut him off the roster.
Ken was a companyman, Frank was not.
Shamrock was coaching wrestling in the San Diego area about 20 years ago and was a beefy 180 lbs. What a transformation.
Shamrock was coaching wrestling in the San Diego area about 20 years ago and was a beefy 180 lbs. What a transformation.
Nonsense. Ken was all over the place and the world trying to make a living competing in wrestling and MMA style tournaments. He along with Funaki and Suzuki founded Pancrase, the closest thing at the time to legit no holds barred fighting (not underground stuff).Rickson was a much better fighter but he opened his own school across town and Rorion didn't want him to promote his school over Rorion's school so he used Royce instead. Rickson had a much better physique as well and was a better striker than Royce which isn't saying much.
You have to judge a person by their era and during that time there wasn't really many good legit competitions to test a person's fighting ability with few restricitons until the UFC came along. Ken was a legit bad ass and Rorion Gracie did not want him in the original UFC. Rorion knew what real fighting was like coming from Brasil where they had Vale Tudo tournaments which were real no rules bare fisted fighting. Tradional martial arts at that time was bullshit with their "Katas" and choreographed techniques and fake "Kumite" tournaments. Rorion knew that Shamrock did close to real fighting and was very familiar with the ground game whereas the others in the original UFC were clueless and would be no match for the scrawny Royce. Shamrock, unlike Royce, was a legit world class athlete. From a physical and athletic standpoint, Ken was vastly superior to Royce and because he knew how to grapple and trade real kicks and
strikes this posed a huge threat to Royce. Fortunately, at that time, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu was just so vastly superior to any other form of ground grappling and that proved to be enough to defeat Ken Shamrock. At that time there was nothing special about Royce and anyone in their family would have done just as well and probably better. In fact, anybody fighting in the Vale Tudo tournaments at the time in Brasil would have crushed anybody at the original UFC, includng Royce. Royce was not a true Black Belt at the time and was just promoted by his brother Rorion to help with his teaching. I mean, Royce was only 17 years old when Rorion brought him to America. I believe he was still a Blue Belt while in Brasil. Maybe Purple belt at the most. And he never went through the tournament and Vale Tudo grinder that the rest of his brothers had to go through. It didn't matter much at that time because a high level Blue belt in BJJ was more than enough to make quick work of the average traditional martial artist at that time. Royce real BJJ level was easily exposed when Rorion foolishly agreed to a traditional BJJ match for Royce with a legit Black Belt Wallid Ismail, at the Mundials "Super Fight" where Wallid easily choked Royce out unconscious within minutes.
Rickson was a much better fighter but he opened his own school across town and Rorion didn't want him to promote his school over Rorion's school so he used Royce instead. Rickson had a much better physique as well and was a better striker than Royce which isn't saying much.
When Rickson started his own school I moved along with him even though I lived in Torrance where the Gracie school was located. Choosing Royce had nothing to do with promoting or not promoting Rickson's school. Royce was Rorion's protege and due to the age difference Rorion was more of a father figure to Royce. Plus it was to promote Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in general and having such a weak scrawny guy like Royce submit everybody would prove the superiority of the style.I got that story from Joe Rogan on his podcast just a few weeks ago.
I got that story from Joe Rogan on his podcast just a few weeks ago.
Ken Shamrock?
High school wrestling of pro wrestling?
He was jacked in the UFC in '93.
at one point he really was "the most dangerous man in the world". Imagine being able to say that.
so it was pretty sad there was no money in it when he was the best fighter in the world in early 90's. And he has probably not much to show for it today because he has to try make money in wwe type wrestling now.
The Gracies think they invented everything. ::)(http://www.onzuka.com/Photos/Gracie/Royce%2C%20Helio%2C%20Rorion%20%26%20Ryron.jpg)