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If you think mail in voting results in fraud then you should welcome it because mail in voting has a PAPER TRAIL
IF there is fraud we will be able to actually prove it and eliminate the fraudulent votes
Of course we have many states who do all their voting by mail so we already know there is very little fraud
It's BIZZARO tha the President of the United States of America is suing states to prevent them from expanding mail in voting
It's make ZERO SENSE unless of course his goal to to suppress legitimate voters from casting a ballot
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IF there is fraud we will be able to actually prove it ............
FAKE Dr., do U plan to perform HaraKiri in November '20 !.
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4 Democrats, a Paterson Councilman, Councilman-elect charged in massive mail-in ballot voter fraud scheme, face years in prison
https://gellerreport.com/2020/06/4-democrats-a-paterson-councilman-councilman-elect-charged-in-massive-mail-in-ballot-voter-fraud-scheme-face-years-in-prison.html/
Paterson City Councilman Michael Jackson and Councilman-elect Alex Mendez,were charged with fraud in casting mail-in votes, unauthorized possession of ballots, tampering with public records and falsifying or tampering with records, according to the statement. Mendez was additionally charged with election fraud and false registration or transfer.
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If you think mail in voting results in fraud then you should welcome it because mail in voting has a PAPER TRAIL
IF there is fraud we will be able to actually prove it and eliminate the fraudulent votes
Of course we have many states who do all their voting by mail so we already know there is very little fraud
It's BIZZARO tha the President of the United States of America is suing states to prevent them from expanding mail in voting
It's make ZERO SENSE unless of course his goal to to suppress legitimate voters from casting a ballot
Then use the Absentee Ballot process, that is already established and REQUIRES THE USE OF GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
Instead of the fraudulent “mail in ballot” the Democrats are trying to push, WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE THE USE OF ANY VOTER IDENTIFICATION.
Cut the bullshit, fucking liberals are physically unable to tell the truth.
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Election fraud cases in NJ (most due to fraudulent use of absentee ballots).
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=NJ
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https://www.aier.org/article/mail-slowdowns-started-50-years-before-trump/
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Election fraud cases in NJ (most due to fraudulent use of absentee ballots).
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=NJ
These are the statistics from the link you posted
There was a total of 12 cases of voter fraud in 10 years, only 8 of which were related to absentee ballots. There were over 5 million registered voters in 2010 (about 9% voted) which is around 500,000 people. there were over 6 million in 2019. There are 2 elections each year, the primary and the general. In only 8 years were fraudulent absentee ballots an issue. Thus during those eight years around 8,000,000 votes were cast. Tell me, what percentage of 8,000,000 is 8? It is .000001% an infinitesimal number. I doesn't appear that fraud due to absentee ballots is a big problem in New Jersey.
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These are the statistics from the link you posted
There was a total of 12 cases of voter fraud in 10 years, only 8 of which were related to absentee ballots. There were over 5 million registered voters in 2010 (about 9% voted) which is around 500,000 people. there were over 6 million in 2019. There are 2 elections each year, the primary and the general. In only 8 years were fraudulent absentee ballots an issue. Thus during those eight years around 8,000,000 votes were cast. Tell me, what percentage of 8,000,000 is 8? It is .000001% an infinitesimal number. I doesn't appear that fraud due to absentee ballots is a big problem in New Jersey.
Your comparison is apples and oranges.
Why would you divide 8 absentee vote fraud cases (or 8 years) by 8 million votes? Makes no sense as they are two entirely different things.
As I said before, I hope you'll be perfectly ok with voter fraud if it's from Repub candidates who win.
I'm sure voter fraud has in the past occurred on both sides of the fence, however, going by the last names of those accused in the list,
I'd say most were Dems.
Here's one...Marty Small...who somehow has ended up Mayor of decrepit, crime infested Atlantic City, NJ:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Small_Sr.
"Small was first elected to the Atlantic City city council as 2nd Ward councilman in 2003.[4]
In 2006 he was charged and acquitted of election fraud, and in 2011 he was again charged and acquitted of election fraud concerning the 2009 Atlantic City mayoral election along with five other Democrats.[5]
In 2017, Small narrowly lost to Frank Gilliam in the Democratic primary for Atlantic City mayor.[4][5]
Following the resignation of previous Atlantic City mayor Frank Gilliam, the city council voted to appoint Small as mayor.[6][2] He will serve for an unexpired term ending on December 31, 2020, following the city's November 2020 special election for mayor."
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These are the statistics from the link you posted
There was a total of 12 cases of voter fraud in 10 years, only 8 of which were related to absentee ballots. There were over 5 million registered voters in 2010 (about 9% voted) which is around 500,000 people. there were over 6 million in 2019. There are 2 elections each year, the primary and the general. In only 8 years were fraudulent absentee ballots an issue. Thus during those eight years around 8,000,000 votes were cast. Tell me, what percentage of 8,000,000 is 8? It is .000001% an infinitesimal number. I doesn't appear that fraud due to absentee ballots is a big problem in New Jersey.
Take your fucking facts and common sense and.... Never mind. LOL.
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Then use the Absentee Ballot process, that is already established and REQUIRES THE USE OF GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
Instead of the fraudulent “mail in ballot” the Democrats are trying to push, WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE THE USE OF ANY VOTER IDENTIFICATION.
Cut the bullshit, fucking liberals are physically unable to tell the truth.
what "fraudulent mail in ballot" are you referring to
be specific and post a link
Again - ANY mail in ballot is a paper trail in and of itself so ANY "fraudulent" ballot can be proven to be such.
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what "fraudulent mail in ballot" are you referring to
be specific and post a link
Again - ANY mail in ballot is a paper trail in and of itself so ANY "fraudulent" ballot can be proven to be such.
Do the research, it's not my responsibility to educate the liberal liars, hypocrites, retards,and perverts.
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Do the research, it's not my responsibility to educate the liberal liars, hypocrites, retards,and perverts.
Translation: You got called out on your bullshit and got nothing.
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Translation: You got called out on your bullshit and got nothing.
You've made a great cheerleader for straw man. :D
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The USPS has more than $10B cash on hand to operate into 2021. This is a manufactured crisis by Speaker Pelosi to distract from the fact that President Donald Trump delivered relief for Americans and she and the Democrats have failed to.
Do liberals ever get tired of lying and losing?
DONALD TRUMP IS THE GREATEST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES!
MAGA 2020!!!
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Your comparison is apples and oranges.
Why would you divide 8 absentee vote fraud cases (or 8 years) by 8 million votes? Makes no sense as they are two entirely different things.
As I said before, I hope you'll be perfectly ok with voter fraud if it's from Repub candidates who win.
I'm sure voter fraud has in the past occurred on both sides of the fence, however, going by the last names of those accused in the list,
I'd say most were Dems.
Here's one...Marty Small...who somehow has ended up Mayor of decrepit, crime infested Atlantic City, NJ:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Small_Sr.
"Small was first elected to the Atlantic City city council as 2nd Ward councilman in 2003.[4]
In 2006 he was charged and acquitted of election fraud, and in 2011 he was again charged and acquitted of election fraud concerning the 2009 Atlantic City mayoral election along with five other Democrats.[5]
In 2017, Small narrowly lost to Frank Gilliam in the Democratic primary for Atlantic City mayor.[4][5]
Following the resignation of previous Atlantic City mayor Frank Gilliam, the city council voted to appoint Small as mayor.[6][2] He will serve for an unexpired term ending on December 31, 2020, following the city's November 2020 special election for mayor."
Apples and oranges? So you are pointing out that there is voter fraud. Nobody is denying that it can an does happen. I leave the number of voters and the extremely tiny percentage of them which are fraudulent out to simplify what I am saying. Based on the link you posted there were 8 incidences of voter mail fraud over the course of 10 years. That's not even one mail fraud related vote per year. Really not enough for anyone to be concerned about.
Small was appointed Mayor of Atlantic City by the City Council. Perhaps he was the only option they had. Maybe no one else wanted the job. Not surprised, it is a thankless one.
Small was twice charged and acquitted of mail fraud. Did you miss the part where he was acquitted?
Essentially, a verdict of not guilty is an acquittal. ... But an acquittal doesn't mean the jury or judge found you innocent of the charge. It only means that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were guilty. A not guilty verdict isn't the sole means of getting an acquittal.
If you want to reference the rest of the definition where it says an acquittal doesn't mean you are innocent, that's cool. Remember Trump was acquitted by the Senate of impeachment.
"A deeply divided Senate acquitted President Donald Trump at the end of his impeachment trial on Wednesday, with 52 Senators concluding the House’s allegations that he abused the power of his office did not necessitate his removal of office, and 53 reaching that conclusion on the charge that he obstructed Congress."
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This is actual data: a recent congressional election in my district, a fucking disaster. I went by the polling place which in an elementary school gym. There was plenty of room, much more than in a supermarket or CVS.
There is no fucking reason for mail in voting. Funny how So-called Progressives are always Championing dated technologies like snail mail and windmills.
Thousands of absentee ballots tossed in tight Maloney-Patel House race — Queens Daily Eagle
https://queenseagle.com/all/2020/7/17/thousands-of-absentee-ballots-tossed-in-tight-maloney-patel-house-race
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Do the research, it's not my responsibility to educate the liberal liars, hypocrites, retards,and perverts.
Ok I did research
Turns you that you're a fucking moron who fell for THE TRAITORS LIES AGAIN
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This is actual data: a recent congressional election in my district, a fucking disaster. I went by the polling place which in an elementary school gym. There was plenty of room, much more than in a supermarket or CVS.
There is no fucking reason for mail in voting. Funny how So-called Progressives are always Championing dated technologies like snail mail and windmills.
Thousands of absentee ballots tossed in tight Maloney-Patel House race — Queens Daily Eagle
https://queenseagle.com/all/2020/7/17/thousands-of-absentee-ballots-tossed-in-tight-maloney-patel-house-race
who gives a shit if YOU think there is no reason
what YOU think is not a criteria
Did you read your own fucking link?
Those absentee ballots should be counted (unless of course there is proof of fraud)
On Thursday, the four candidates called on the BOE to count every absentee ballot that was invalidated because the U.S. Postal Service did not postmark the envelope or because the BOE received the ballots after June 30.
“Put bluntly: A missing postmark, over which voters had no control, should not disenfranchise those voters,” the candidates wrote.
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don't worry
the stupid shit that you imagine is not actually a problem
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Liberal voters are too lazy to drive or walk a block to cast their vote. That tells you the enthusiasm for Biden.
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Liberal voters are too lazy to drive or walk a block to cast their vote. That tells you the enthusiasm for Biden.
yeah, why vote by mail when you can STAND IN LINE FOR HOURS instead and maybe catch a deadly virus
btw - no one needs a "reason" and they certainly don't have to justify it to you or any other Trumptard.
how many states do all their voting by mail already?
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yeah, why vote by mail when you can STAND IN LINE FOR HOURS instead and maybe catch a deadly virus
btw - no one needs a "reason" and they certainly don't have to justify it to you or any other Trumptard.
how many states do all their voting by mail already?
Yeah, you could be one of the 0.000001% that dies. ::) Why is it only libtard voters in danger? Older voters tend to vote republican so why are the libtards so afraid? Just wear your face diaper and you'll be fine.
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Yeah, you could be one of the 0.000001% that dies. ::) Why is it only libtard voters in danger? Older voters tend to vote republican so why are the libtards so afraid? Just wear your face diaper and you'll be fine.
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I guess we should have known that Trumptards can't do 3rd grade arithmetic.
Do Trumptards ever stop LYING?
See if you can find a smart third grader to help you with that long division
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yeah, why vote by mail when you can STAND IN LINE FOR HOURS instead and maybe catch a deadly virus
btw - no one needs a "reason" and they certainly don't have to justify it to you or any other Trumptard.
how many states do all their voting by mail already?
Oregon has been voting by mail since November 3, 1998 - Oregon voters decide to expand VBM to primary and general elections by a vote of 757,204 to 334,021. Or for the past 22 years. -Seems to work just fine. Those folks who wait too long to mail in their ballot or would rather vote at the polls may still do so.
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Oregon has been voting by mail since November 3, 1998 - Oregon voters decide to expand VBM to primary and general elections by a vote of 757,204 to 334,021. Or for the past 22 years. -Seems to work just fine. Those folks who wait too long to mail in their ballot or would rather vote at the polls may still do so.
Oregon is a very blue state so there is never a question of a close vote. In some states a few thousand or even hundred votes (Florida 2000) can swing the state.
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Oregon is a very blue state so there is never a question of a close vote. In some states a few thousand or even hundred votes (Florida 2000) can swing the state.
seems like you would want a paper trail for a really close vote
no bullshit with voting machines that flip votes or don't work
guess what, vote by mail is All PAPERTRAIL
problem solved
you're welcome
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seems like you would want a paper trail for a really close vote
no bullshit with voting machines that flip votes or don't work
guess what, vote by mail is All PAPERTRAIL
problem solved
you're welcome
There is a paper trail with voting machines. You need to look into how modern voting machines work.
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Liberal voters are too lazy to drive or walk a block to cast their vote. That tells you the enthusiasm for Biden.
This
You’d think they’d be willing to walk over dead bodies to get rid of Trump.
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seems like you would want a paper trail for a really close vote
no bullshit with voting machines that flip votes or don't work
guess what, vote by mail is All PAPERTRAIL
problem solved
you're welcome
It's paper but it doesn't mean it's legit.
Counterfeit money is paper but it's not legit.
Not only do mail in ballots get faked they also get lost on purpose.
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It's paper but it doesn't mean it's legit.
Counterfeit money is paper but it's not legit.
Not only do mail in ballots get faked they also get lost on purpose.
Fake as Straws medical certificate :D
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Well one thing is true about Nancy Pelosi’s fake USPS drama.
President Donald Trump’s Executive Order was literally him taking a HUGE shit down her throat and beating her feeble brain in again!
Poor Nancy, smells like stale piss and week old diapers.
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Well one thing is true about Nancy Pelosi’s fake USPS drama.
President Donald Trump’s Executive Order was literally him taking a HUGE shit down her throat and beating her feeble brain in again!
Poor Nancy, smells like stale piss and week old diapers.
Dr.Fake is Nancy's vagina medico :-[
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There is a paper trail with voting machines. You need to look into how modern voting machines work.
did you get a a receipt or proof of your vote preferences
If not, how do you know it wasn't changed
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If you think mail in voting results in fraud then you should welcome it because mail in voting has a PAPER TRAIL
IF there is fraud we will be able to actually prove it and eliminate the fraudulent votes
Of course we have many states who do all their voting by mail so we already know there is very little fraud
It's BIZZARO tha the President of the United States of America is suing states to prevent them from expanding mail in voting
It's make ZERO SENSE unless of course his goal to to suppress legitimate voters from casting a ballot
And what’s the big problem in voting in person with ID.
For all those that can.
No ID no Vote. Is that something you also disagree with if so Why. ?
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did you get a a receipt or proof of your vote preferences
If not, how do you know it wasn't changed
Because you can check the digital before finishing. It then is printed right in front of you. It's funny how you don't trust machines printing the results in front of you but do trust a mail in ballot that you will never see who records it or even if it is recorded.
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Oops
Judge invalidates Paterson, NJ, city council election after allegations of mail-in voter fraud - CNNPolitics
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/paterson-new-jersey-city-council-voter-fraud/index.html
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who gives a shit if YOU think there is no reason
what YOU think is not a criteria
Did you read your own fucking link?
Those absentee ballots should be counted (unless of course there is proof of fraud)
You’re right, they should. One in five tossed out in the trash, and now they had to file suit against the Board of Elections to get them to count? How long will this take to “get it right”? Seems to me the easiest way is to just go cast a ballot in person. I’ve never waited more than five minutes to cast my vote and I live in a city of over half a million people.
I’m not so sure that voting will be rife with fraud if there’s mail ins, it’s just a cumbersome process that can be eliminated by showing up to the poll.
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You’re right, they should. One in five tossed out in the trash, and now they had to file suit against the Board of Elections to get them to count? How long will this take to “get it right”? Seems to me the easiest way is to just go cast a ballot in person. I’ve never waited more than five minutes to cast my vote and I live in a city of over half a million people.
I’m not so sure that voting will be rife with fraud if there’s mail ins, it’s just a cumbersome process that can be eliminated by showing up to the poll.
It's a hell of a lot easier to drop a ballot in the mail than to drive somewhere (or take a bus or two) and then stand in line for hours....right?
Regarding those ballots I again point you to an excerpt from the story you posted since you chose to clip it out of my post when you replied
Here's the part you chose to keep:
Those absentee ballots should be counted (unless of course there is proof of fraud)
and here's the part you chose to delete
On Thursday, the four candidates called on the BOE to count every absentee ballot that was invalidated because the U.S. Postal Service did not postmark the envelope or because the BOE received the ballots after June 30.
“Put bluntly: A missing postmark, over which voters had no control, should not disenfranchise those voters,” the candidates wrote.
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Oops
Judge invalidates Paterson, NJ, city council election after allegations of mail-in voter fraud - CNNPolitics
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/paterson-new-jersey-city-council-voter-fraud/index.html
perfect example of how hard it is to get away with voter fraud by mail
the evidence is always there
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It's a hell of a lot easier to drop a ballot in the mail than to drive somewhere (or take a bus or two) and then stand in line for hours....right?
Yes, of course it’s easier to mail something than to take time out of your day to go somewhere. But, it’s a moot point if the USPS doesn’t do their job properly and the votes aren’t counted.
Regarding those ballots I again point you to an excerpt from the story you posted since you chose to clip it out of my post when you replied
Here's the part you chose to keep:
and here's the part you chose to delete
No portion of your post was deleted, the quote function doesn’t allow a quote of a quote. Maybe take that up with Ron in the suggestions board. I did however address that portion, when I said it should’ve never came to suing the BOE just to get those votes counted. They shouldn’t have been tossed in the first place, and only were rejected because someone didn’t do their job and post-mark the envelopes
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It's a hell of a lot easier to drop a ballot in the mail than to drive somewhere (or take a bus or two) and then stand in line for hours....right?
Yes, of course it’s easier to mail something than to take time out of your day to go somewhere. But, it’s a moot point if the USPS doesn’t do their job properly and the votes aren’t counted.
Regarding those ballots I again point you to an excerpt from the story you posted since you chose to clip it out of my post when you replied
Here's the part you chose to keep:
and here's the part you chose to delete
No portion of your post was deleted, the quote function doesn’t allow a quote of a quote. Maybe take that up with Ron in the suggestions board. I did however address that portion, when I said it should’ve never came to suing the BOE just to get those votes counted. They shouldn’t have been tossed in the first place, and only were rejected because someone didn’t do their job and post-mark the envelopes
yeah, I see what you mean about the quote thing
not sure what is going on there
Question - Why wouldn't the USPS do their job properly
Do you know how much mail they deliver every day.
Do you know how much mail they deliver during the two week before Christmas
It's many many times larger than the approximately 70 million TOTAL votes in a typical election (and of course not all of those are mailed in)
The USPS can do their job just fine....just like they have for 100+ years
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yeah, I see what you mean about the quote thing
not sure what is going on there
Question - Why wouldn't the USPS do their job properly
Do you know how much mail they deliver every day.
Do you know how much mail they deliver during the two week before Christmas
It's many many times larger than the approximately 70 million TOTAL votes in a typical election (and of course not all of those are mailed in)
The USPS can do their job just fine....just like they have for 100+ years
I’m not sure why they didn’t, but in the article were bantering back and forth about it said USPS did not post mark 20% of the mail in votes. That’s a pretty big portion, and unless they can bring those numbers down quite a bit, it’s not a better system for voting.
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Dr.Fake, just another depressive episode in your life :P :-[ :-\
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And what’s the big problem in voting in person with ID.
For all those that can.
No ID no Vote. Is that something you also disagree with if so Why. ?
In Oregon, ballots are only mailed to registered voters. Each registered voter get one ballot. If you've never voted before, when you register, you have to show your ID.
Here's a guide for first time voters:
When you register to vote or vote for the first time in a federal election in your state, you must prove who you are:
* If you register to vote in person, you must show a driver’s license, state ID, or provide the last 4 digits of your social security number (SSN), if you have one.
* If you registered by mail and did not include your state’s driver’s license number or the last 4 digits of your SSN, you must show an acceptable form of ID (see below) at your polling place.
*If you apply for an absentee/vote by mail ballot and did not include your state’s driver’s license number or the last 4 digits of your SSN when you registered by mail, you must include a copy of an acceptable ID.
https://www.voteriders.org/ufaqs/oregon-voter-id-information/
I suppose that it is possible that someone could vote using someone else's ballot and forge their signature. County elections officials trained
in signature verification match the signature on every ballot to the signature on file for the voter.
There are a number of safe guards in place to insure everyone who gets a ballot is entitled to one. When someone dies, their death records are sent to the state and their name is removed. If they've moved and not re-registered, no ballot will be sent out. If someone has not voted for a specified time period, no ballot will be sent out.
Considering all of the above, the likelihood of voter fraud is almost nil. I suppose a husband could vote for his wife as long as she signs the ballot or he is adept at forging her signature. If a ballot is sent to an address where the person no longer resides and the recipient decides to mark the ballot. However, there is almost zero chance a stranger can forge someone signature if they've never seen it.
One can still vote at the polls on election day if they've failed to get their ballot mailed in on time. However, you must have turned in your registration 21 days before the election. Oregon does not allow same day registering.
One way there can be fraud is in counting the vote. The former Clackamas County elections employee who was caught marking at least two ballots cast in last fall’s election will spend 90 days in jail after pleading guilty to official misconduct and unlawfully altering a cast ballot. She was also fined $13,000. She was marking the Republican candidate if the voter hadn't voted for either candidate.
https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2013/04/25/clackamas-election-worker-gets.html
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Dan Clifton, a strategist with Strategas Research said Democrats could end up hurting themselves if they choose to vote through mail-in ballots, as that dramatically increases chances of error and delays the process.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sp-500-predicted-us-election-winner-nearly-100-years-2020-9-1029564774#
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Ask Trump. Since he is encouraging people to vote more than once he should know.
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Dan Clifton, a strategist with Strategas Research said Democrats could end up hurting themselves if they choose to vote through mail-in ballots, as that dramatically increases chances of error and delays the process.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sp-500-predicted-us-election-winner-nearly-100-years-2020-9-1029564774#
In battlegrounds, absentee ballot rejections could triple
Thousands of absentee ballots get rejected in every presidential election. This year, that problem could be much worse and potentially pivotal in hotly contested battleground states.
With the coronavirus creating a surge in mail-in balloting and postal delays reported across the country, the number of rejected ballots in November is projected to be significantly higher than previous elections.
If ballots are rejected at the same rate as during this year's primaries, up to three times as many voters in November could be disenfranchised in key battleground states when compared to the last presidential election, according to an Associated Press analysis of rejected ballots. It could be even more pronounced in some urban areas where Democratic votes are concentrated and ballot rejection rates trended higher during this year’s primaries.
Ballot rejections occur even under the best of circumstances. They go uncounted because they arrived too late in the mail, voters forgot to sign them or signatures didn't match the one on file at local election offices.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/battlegrounds-absentee-ballot-rejections-could-133648141.html