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I read some scientific studies and journals that most men are able to restore fertility within 1 year after cessation of exogenous testosterone usage, but I am always skeptical about this. In your experience, have any of you or any of your friends struggled with fertility after 5+ years straight of using gear? My wife and I want to have kids some day and sometimes I debate with myself whether I should just cut cold turkey and do a hardcore PCT because the longer I use, the harder it might be to have kids in a few years
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You're risking screwing up your ability to have kids for what? Bodybuilding trophies? Looking good on the beach?
It's a meaningless journey you're on.
Bodybuilding was originally about strength and health. It went off the tracks in the 1960s when drug use became common.
Is it now about ruining your health?
When a 'roided bodybuilder walks around today all people think is "that guy is on drugs".
Nobody but schmoes are impressed.
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10yrs on. Went off used hcg my son is now 4.
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You should have your sperm counted. And if your count is low look into your options.
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You're risking screwing up your ability to have kids for what? Bodybuilding trophies? Looking good on the beach?
It's a meaningless journey you're on.
Bodybuilding was originally about strength and health. It went off the tracks in the 1960s when drug use became common.
Is it now about ruining your health?
When a 'roided bodybuilder walks around today all people think is "that guy is on drugs".
Nobody but schmoes are impressed.
That could be said for all sports as they all use some form of PEDs The higher the level of competition
The PEDs - It’s part of sports & has been for a long time, it’s not likely to change any time soon.
The bigger the money at stake the bigger the chemical warfare.
Often the man/ team with the Best Chemistry Set wins.
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That could be said for all sports as they all use some form of PEDs The higher the level of competition
The PEDs - It’s part of sports & has been for a long time, it’s not likely to change any time soon.
The bigger the money at stake the bigger the chemical warfare.
Often the man/ team with the Best Chemistry Set wins.
Is bodybuilding a sport? It's a beauty pageant.
I'm not doubting what you said about pro athletes but is this guy a pro athlete making hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars?
Or is he just a guy who wants to look buff in the gym and on the beach or win a plastic Mr. Nowhere trophy?
Maybe he is a highly paid pro athlete in the NFL. If he is I doubt he'd be asking the question.
I'm not sure how many other sport athletes stay on for many years without a break until their nuts fall off.
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Nick have you considered just having a sperm count done? It’s covered by most insurances.
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Nick have you considered just having a sperm count done? It’s covered by most insurances.
Getbig gurus don't need sperm counts to give the correct answer. Labwork is for those of less expertise.
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I had no issue...but I was off for 10 years...and I had a daughter which is common for people on gear and former gear users.
Bench
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Is bodybuilding a sport? It's a beauty pageant.
I'm not doubting what you said about pro athletes but is this guy a pro athlete making hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars?
Or is he just a guy who wants to look buff in the gym and on the beach or win a plastic Mr. Nowhere trophy?
Maybe he is a highly paid pro athlete in the NFL. If he is I doubt he'd be asking the question.
I'm not sure how many other sport athletes stay on for many years without a break until their nuts fall off.
Sport or not it’s not the Point is it.
You were Bashing Bodybuilders for using PEDs
And I merely pointed out the same was happening in most likely all other sporting endeavours
That’s the reality- How does earning lots of money alter anything? If you dislike Drugs in sport.
I’m not here to argue for or against. Man all throughout history has sought out herbs/ elixirs / animals Balls Etc Etc & Now Drugs to improve their physical performance so Nowt has changed.
As to how long others stay on for is a different subject.
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Sport or not it’s not the Point is it.
You were Bashing Bodybuilders for using PEDs
And I merely pointed out the same was happening in most likely all other sporting endeavours
That’s the reality- How does earning lots of money alter anything? If you dislike Drugs in sport.
I’m not here to argue for or against. Man all throughout history has sought out herbs/ elixirs / animals Balls Etc Etc & Now Drugs to improve their physical performance so Nowt has changed.
As to how long others stay on for is a different subject.
No, what I'm saying is it's foolish to risk your fertility or your health unless there is some outsized reward like big money.
Being a local gym hero is not enough. That's my opinion. You makes your choice, you takes your chances.
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No, what I'm saying is it's foolish to risk your health unless there is some outsized reward like big money.
Okay- Only very many Risk their Health by Smoking & Drinking excessive amounts
or Driving thousands of miles each year for work, - Look I get your point, only there are huge
Risks in many many things we all do without there being any large monetary reward.
Life is short & there are no guarantees plus we all take out just as much as we brought
In to this life - Nothing.
I’m not into many many party drugs or drinks or other potions Many are & That’s their
Outlook & problem. As long as they’re damaging themselves what’s the issue.
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On longer than that, got a sperm count before trying to conceive. Results came back 0, ran hcg 1500iu eod and mrs was pregnant within 3 months. I have 2 kids now.
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Okay- Only very many Risk their Health by Smoking & Drinking excessive amounts
or Driving thousands of miles each year for work, - Look I get your point, only there are huge
Risks in many many things we all do without there being any large monetary reward.
Life is short & there are no guarantees plus we all take out just as much as we brought
In to this life - Nothing.
I’m not into many many party drugs or drinks or other potions Many are & That’s their
Outlook & problem. As long as they’re damaging themselves what’s the issue.
I believe everyone has the right to wreck themselves but that doesn't mean I think it's smart.
If you want to smoke or drink or go rock climbing go ahead.
If this guy thinks it's worth risking his nuts then that's his decision.
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I believe everyone has the right to wreck themselves but that doesn't mean I think it's smart.
If you want to smoke or drink or go rock climbing go ahead.
If this guy thinks it's worth risking his nuts then that's his decision.
X2 - That’s my philosophy also.
Though I’m aware of the risks of things I do that perhaps others wouldn’t
Probably more so at my Age.
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You're risking screwing up your ability to have kids for what? Bodybuilding trophies? Looking good on the beach?
It's a meaningless journey you're on.
Bodybuilding was originally about strength and health. It went off the tracks in the 1960s when drug use became common.
Is it now about ruining your health?
When a 'roided bodybuilder walks around today all people think is "that guy is on drugs".
Nobody but schmoes are impressed.
All true.
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How do these juiced up black nfl players manage to have a dozen children. I think you’ll be fine.
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What was the question?
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its not alway the man who is at fault
women fuck up their bodies by being on birth control to long
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It's very likely you'll be able to become fertile unless there was a problem unrelated to roids. It's not absolutely necessary to get off roids either, you just do HCG and HMG every other day and give it a few months as it takes a couple of months to produce viable sperm.
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its not alway the man who is at fault
women fuck up their bodies by being on birth control to long gaining weight and very few men want to intercourse them.
Fixed
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I can't believe so many dullard's still think there's any real link with steroids and long term male infertility.... There isn't!
As pointed out above Ronnie coleman has 8 kids....
Personally I knocked up my ex girlfriend WHILE using 2500 mgs anabolics a week. That's not a typo 2.5 grams and got her pregnant and I wasn't using hcg either.
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I can't believe so many dullard's still think there's any real link with steroids and long term male infertility.... There isn't!
As pointed out above Ronnie coleman has 8 kids....
Personally I knocked up my ex girlfriend WHILE using 2500 mgs anabolics a week. That's not a typo 2.5 grams and got her pregnant and I wasn't using hcg either.
Or she lied to you and it's another mans kid ;D
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what would you know about it twinkle toes
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I read some scientific studies and journals that most men are able to restore fertility within 1 year after cessation of exogenous testosterone usage, but I am always skeptical about this. In your experience, have any of you or any of your friends struggled with fertility after 5+ years straight of using gear? My wife and I want to have kids some day and sometimes I debate with myself whether I should just cut cold turkey and do a hardcore PCT because the longer I use, the harder it might be to have kids in a few years
taper to a trt dose of test 100mg a week and take 2 shots 500mcg Hcg each Mon/Thur if shes not pregnant in 6 months do 1000mcg Hcg twice a week. If you could have kids b4 gear you will be able to after don’t worry about it. I’ve known a ton of guys who knocked up their gf/wife just adding Hcg to their cycle and even more doing Hcg for post cycle therapy. Tell your wife to decorate the nursery pink because 80 or 90 % of these guys had girls even the 2nd kid. It be smart to get your test/Hcg from a trt clinic so u know what your getting any of them will give u that dose. Hcg can go in the freezer so mix 10cc of bac. Water in A 10,000
Mcg bottle of Hcg and draw 20 1cc slin Pins to 50(1/2 cc) so you know each shot is 500mcg Hcg. And stick them in the freezer till it time to use. Enjoy smelling shitty diapers the next 3 years and your wife being too busy with the baby to want to service your little solider when ever you want like she use to :D
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How do these juiced up black nfl players manage to have a dozen children. I think you’ll be fine.
;D
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Or she lied to you and it's another mans kid ;D
Hehe yes there's always that ;D
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What was the question?
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:D
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What was the question?
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All girls...common with gear usage
Bench
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You're risking screwing up your ability to have kids for what? Bodybuilding trophies? Looking good on the beach?
It's a meaningless journey you're on.
Bodybuilding was originally about strength and health. It went off the tracks in the 1960s when drug use became common.
Is it now about ruining your health?
When a 'roided bodybuilder walks around today all people think is "that guy is on drugs".
Nobody but schmoes are impressed.
Screw kids. (no pedo)
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I can't believe so many dullard's still think there's any real link with steroids and long term male infertility.... There isn't!
As pointed out above Ronnie coleman has 8 kids....
Personally I knocked up my ex girlfriend WHILE using 2500 mgs anabolics a week. That's not a typo 2.5 grams and got her pregnant and I wasn't using hcg either.
Correct,many have fathered on cycle. And it's their kids.
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All girls...common with gear usage
Bench
Why is that?
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I believe everyone has the right to wreck themselves but that doesn't mean I think it's smart.
If you want to smoke or drink or go rock climbing go ahead.
If this guy thinks it's worth risking his nuts then that's his decision.
I agree
Not just steroids can cause problems. Medicines you think are harmless from your Doctor can have side effects
most people do not look into all the possible side effect of anything they are given
They just trust their Doctors
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I agree
Not just steroids can cause problems. Medicines you think are harmless from your Doctor can have side effects
most people do not look into all the possible side effect of anything they are given
They just trust their Doctors
Even wearing tighty whities can lower your sperm count (too hot for the swimmers).
Go for the boxers if you are shooting blanks.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/718c32716f97cd17bc28ca146f5981ab80353215/r=x1803&c=3200x1800/http/videos.usatoday.net/Brightcove2/29906170001/2016/06/29906170001_4938989515001_4938957265001-vs.jpg?pubId=29906170001)
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Even wearing tighty whities can lower your sperm count (too hot for the swimmers).
Go for the boxers if you are shooting blanks.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/718c32716f97cd17bc28ca146f5981ab80353215/r=x1803&c=3200x1800/http/videos.usatoday.net/Brightcove2/29906170001/2016/06/29906170001_4938989515001_4938957265001-vs.jpg?pubId=29906170001)
I have found trunks and boxer briefs to be best.
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I started HRT 180mg a week after my first son. Never went off or took HCG and got my wife pregnant the first month we were trying. I actually went and got the fertility test done and found out she wS pregnant two days before the results came back. Swimmer count was good. I was 33 at the time.
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I have found trunks and boxer briefs to be best.
yes i like boxers
if wearing training pants i wear nothing
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Why do steroid users have girls usually? What is the biological reasoning for that?
Im curious if there is a science behind this as well. You can have either a boy or a girl, if you lack the x chromosome as a man you're having a girl. This happens to many non steroid users.
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Im curious if there is a science behind this as well. You can have either a boy or a girl, if you lack the x chromosome as a man you're having a girl. This happens to many non steroid users.
I saw a book that claimed doing it doggy style was more likely to produce boys while doing it missionary was more likely to produce girls.
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Who's the poor guy that has to count five million sperm?
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Who's the poor guy that has to count five million sperm?
That job would be as bad as being the guy who has to pick through the Cologuard shits.
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I saw a book that claimed doing it doggy style was more likely to produce boys while doing it missionary was more likely to produce girls.
Ive read the same thing.
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Ive read the same thing.
The theory, is the deeper the penetration, the more likely it is to be a boy. There are supposedly a lot more sperm with the X chromosome. The shorter distance means the Y chromosome sperm don't have to make it as far. Ronnie needs to start banging doggy style.
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The theory, is the deeper the penetration, the more likely it is to be a boy. There are supposedly a lot more sperm with the X chromosome. The shorter distance means the Y chromosome sperm don't have to make it as far. Ronnie needs to start banging doggy style.
or find a woman with a shallow vagina..
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i think ronnie has a son in his 20's now
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or find a woman with a shallow vagina..
I don't know any midgets.
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Male sperm are lighter than female sperm and can swim faster but female sperm have more endurance and can swim farther.
Males are sprinters but females are marathon runners. So deeper penetration gives male sperms a headstart.
Plus if the egg isn't available the female sperm can hang around longer till it arrives.
As to why big druggers have girls it must have something to do with the effects of super high test levels on sperm motility.
Test levels in the womb are theorized to affect post-birth sexual orientation as well.
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Male sperm are lighter than female sperm and can swim faster but female sperm have more endurance and can swim farther.
Males are sprinters but females are marathon runners. So deeper penetration gives male sperms a headstart.
Plus if the egg isn't available the female sperm can hang around longer till it arrives.
As to why big druggers have girls it must have something to do with the effects of super high test levels on sperm motility.
Test levels in the womb are theorized to affect post-birth sexual orientation as well.
Maybe female sperm can swim further but what can they bench?
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Infertility after FIVE years of gear?
LOL!!!! Totally impossible unless the douche bag was infertile to start.
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Friend was on gear for a while, thought he was unable to have kids He was able to have 1 kid by accident. After the first one, he been trying for 6 years to have another. Not happening.
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Maybe female sperm can swim further but what can they bench?
They divorce the male sperm and take the bench and the house.
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Friend was on gear for a while, thought he was unable to have kids He was able to have 1 kid by accident. After the first one, he been trying for 6 years to have another. Not happening.
Is he sure the first kid was his?
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Is he sure the first kid was his?
Yup, dude had dna test done
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Almost 10 years on, only a few weeks off here and there.
Got off
Took hcg, clomid and hmg.
3 months later wife was pregnant.
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Is he sure the first kid was his?
Looks like him too!
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:D
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I've been using off and on for about 15 years, sometimes going years at a time without doing nothing other than cruising a few months a year. Back in 2009 when I was on a few grams of gear (test/deca/drol) I got my girlfriend at the time pregnant, she lost the child in a miscarriage a few months in. I only take TRT now and two years ago I had a sperm count done and it was fine, I'm in my late 30's. My health is great, but i have to watch my blood pressure closely, it may be genetic, but once I hit 35 I had to stay under 220 pounds or my BP got crazy high. So i focus on staying lean year round and don't care about gaining size.
I'm not sure the science behind gear users having girls, but i know 10 years ago or so a forum member on a lot of the private gear forums started polls on the subject and it was almost 70% girls. There has to be something behind it.
The biggest fear you should have of coming off after many years is the emotional rollercoaster. Some guys get it worse than others, but when i came off with PCT after blasting and cruising for about 8 years i was in a very deep depression for about 8 months. It was crazy, i had zero energy, no ambition and no sex drive. I've never had depression before that time and it was a shit show, i lost a job, left my girlfriend and started drinking heavily; just be aware of that as it happens quite often.
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It's called hypogonadism. It happens to steroid users who stay on too long. They mess themselves up.
The real question is why would you ever want to mess yourself up like that? To have muscles that will only disappear if you ever go off?
In the old days before steroid users became idiots, guys only took steroids leading up to a show for 6-8 weeks. After the show they went off and recovered. They only did a show or two a year so plenty of time to recover. They also didn't use insane amounts of steroids.
Now you have Joe-Nobody-Gym-Dude who is on 24/7/365 so he can have gym muscles and a beach body. For this he screws up his body's hormone system and has to take more drugs to restart it. Then he goes right back to screwing himself up. Then he has to take hormone shots for the rest of his life because his testes are dead. Idiotic.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/male-hypogonadism/symptoms-causes/syc-20354881
"Male hypogonadism is a condition in which the body doesn't produce enough of the hormone that plays a key role in masculine growth and development during puberty (testosterone) or enough sperm or both."
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With all the depression coming off gear, I'm surprised there aren't more suicides.
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With all the depression coming off gear, I'm surprised there aren't more suicides.
Yeah for sure, but I think this is why you see so many former users turn to drugs/alcohol. Look at all the BB'ers male and female that went into a downward spiral.
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well, you can pop out babies even while still on gear (heavy gear, 3+g test plus grams of other stuff, tren included) just by doing a couple blasts of HCG.. like 5000iu a week for a couple weeks. always worked for me... and yes, the kids are all mine. DNA tests to show for it lol
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well, you can pop out babies even while still on gear (heavy gear, 3+g test plus grams of other stuff, tren included) just by doing a couple blasts of HCG.. like 5000iu a week for a couple weeks. always worked for me... and yes, the kids are all mine. DNA tests to show for it lol
That is smart getting DNA tests.
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The real question is why would you ever want to mess yourself up like that? To have muscles that will only disappear if you ever go off?
In the old days before steroid users became idiots, guys only took steroids leading up to a show for 6-8 weeks. After the show they went off and recovered. They only did a show or two a year so plenty of time to recover. They also didn't use insane amounts of steroids.
That's not quite how it is or was. You can cycle and come off but if you did any steroids worth speaking of you can count on being permanently hypogonadal. Every old school bb is either on HRT or has levels way lower than they would have been otherwise. And that pattern of use was not how it was, more like 6 months on for a show, 4 months off. No champion did just 6 weeks of roids, that's hardly enough time to really grow. Things are just starting to get good at 8 weeks. Sure you grow from the minute you start but 6 or 8 weeks is just not enough time to build. Sure, if some pro didn't get too far out of shape they may do a rushed prep of 8 weeks but to think anyone only did 6-8 weeks for shows is not how it was.
Robbie Robinson claims have been clean for years and that his test is high. It's complete bullshit, he is on and has been on for decades. Robbie is one of those guys who claimed tiny doses for a few weeks precontest.
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Almost 10 years on, only a few weeks off here and there.
Got off
Took hcg, clomid and hmg.
3 months later wife was pregnant.
Did natural test levels recover?
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What was the question?
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Ronnie has like 7 or 8 girls and 1 boy. What's the catch with gear and girls? It's also kind of freaky they all have his face but the boy.
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Ronnie has like 7 or 8 girls and 1 boy. What's the catch with gear and girls? It's also kind of freaky they all have his face but the boy.
Maybe Ronnie's daughters will produce lots of grandsons for him. When I was young there was a married couple at church that had 6 girls. When they grew up one of the girls had 8 boys.
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I want to give an update on this thread. I was on gear for 5 years straight and had never come off. I cut everything, and 2 weeks later, I started a PCT of 1500iu HCG every other day and 100mg clomid a day and 20mg nolvadex a day. Still on PCT currently, and I definitely feel WAY better. I was expecting to feel depressed, but not at all. My mood is much better, I have way more energy, I'm happier too. I think high doses of test were bogging me down and making me lethargic. I feel like a new person, and my libido is sky high and I haven't lost any weight or strength in the gym. Hoping to get the wife pregnant
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I want to give an update on this thread. I was on gear for 5 years straight and had never come off. I cut everything, and 2 weeks later, I started a PCT of 1500iu HCG every other day and 100mg clomid a day and 20mg nolvadex a day. Still on PCT currently, and I definitely feel WAY better. I was expecting to feel depressed, but not at all. My mood is much better, I have way more energy, I'm happier too. I think high doses of test were bogging me down and making me lethargic. I feel like a new person, and my libido is sky high and I haven't lost any weight or strength in the gym. Hoping to get the wife pregnant
Hey, you feel great, which is good, but your still using. Will you have to use for the rest of your life now?
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That's not quite how it is or was. You can cycle and come off but if you did any steroids worth speaking of you can count on being permanently hypogonadal. Every old school bb is either on HRT or has levels way lower than they would have been otherwise. And that pattern of use was not how it was, more like 6 months on for a show, 4 months off. No champion did just 6 weeks of roids, that's hardly enough time to really grow. Things are just starting to get good at 8 weeks. Sure you grow from the minute you start but 6 or 8 weeks is just not enough time to build. Sure, if some pro didn't get too far out of shape they may do a rushed prep of 8 weeks but to think anyone only did 6-8 weeks for shows is not how it was.
Robbie Robinson claims have been clean for years and that his test is high. It's complete bullshit, he is on and has been on for decades. Robbie is one of those guys who claimed tiny doses for a few weeks precontest.
Of course the guys at the top used large amounts for long periods and messed themselves up. You are making my point.
There are plenty of guys who competed and used lower amounts and/or shorter cycles or competed for a short time and are fine.
But this also raises the question as to why someone who is not a top level competitor, who only is a gym-bro, would use steroids, etc. to the point of messing himself up? There appears to be many on this board in that situation. For what?
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i knew when i did my first injection on my 17th bday that i'd be 'on' for the rest of my life... also 'knew', or at least thought, i wouldn't have to worry about getting anyone pregnant (hence me NEVER wrapping it up, ever, nor pulling out, ever... ;D ), and my kids for the most part are all from doing shots of HCG (5000iu once a week for 2wks usually), but fuck me had a 'pregnancy scare' (not really a 'scare', since i was cool with it) with the gf couple months ago. Me being 38 and being on HRT for the past like 8months (& OFF-off for like 2yrs prior) after being pretty much 'on' nonstop since 17 (with a 5-6yr period of just HRT in between), and her being 22 and prolly getting pregnant the 1st time we f'd... so it happens, i suppose. But my natural test levels without HRT are sub-100 and with HRT they'll move 1,200/1,400ng/dl-700/750ng/dl...
all that being said, it depends. you'll hear dave palumbo talk about working with Bostin and his fertility stuff and telling bostin all the dudes you hear about getting gf/wifes pregnant while on cycle were all black or 'latino', maybe that has something to do with it (the gf above is black/mex/spanish so who knows?), but generally big blasts of HCG and possibly clomid should be enough in the short term to get someone pregnant. keep in mind that if you give hER clomid, the chances of her having twins/trips etc ijcreases (or so i believe?).
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Those of us that have taken & or using PEDs
We all have different opinions & experiences
Other than the individual & wife / immediate family
Who Really gives a Damn who takes what & how much & for how long?
Will my muscles disappear if I stop using likely reduce in size yes
Just as if I stopped going to the gym - So muscle mass wether “Natural” 🙄
Or PED enhanced are all Temporary.
Sorry I don’t get the whole fascination of he did / didn’t use.
It don’t affect me 1 iota.