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“The Outlaw”
Oh, brother. ::)
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“The Outlaw”
Oh, brother. ::)
Yeah, that guy didn't last long but I did think it was cool when he went and trained with the Shaolin monks at their temple in China. Some of the clips were brutal. Dan went full on Kwai Chang Cain. It must have been quite an experience. I'd have a go if I was 30 years younger but nowadays I wouldn't last two hours.
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“The Outlaw”
Oh, brother. ::)
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Times? ;D
Spoilers for anyone who didn't watch UFC 111 [I suggest Fight Pass for MMA fans], but I remember GSP was disappointed that he didn't finish The Outlaw [Dan Hardy], even though he did finish him twice in the fight, LOL. I think at the end of the fight, GSP asked him if his arms were made of rubber, or something like that.
If I recall correctly, GSP didn't execute the submissions correctly, although I never heard the reasons for that elaborated on.
Speaking of Ironage news, this is becoming concerning to me:
https://www.instagram.com/britneyspears/
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Times? ;D
Spoilers for anyone who didn't watch UFC 111 [I suggest Fight Pass for MMA fans], but I remember GSP was disappointed that he didn't finish The Outlaw [Dan Hardy], even though he did finish him twice in the fight, LOL. I think at the end of the fight, GSP asked him if his arms were made of rubber, or something like that.
If I recall correctly, GSP didn't execute the submissions correctly, although I never heard the reasons for that elaborated on.
Speaking of Ironage news, this is becoming concerning to me:
https://www.instagram.com/britneyspears/
Outlaw managed to get himself out of GSP's what-he-thought-was-perfect armbar with British Stout and Sturdyness! :D
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Outlaw managed to get himself out of GSP's what-he-thought-was-perfect armbar with British Stout and Sturdyness! :D
It was a very sloppy arm bar. When I saw GSP compete in Abu Dhabi in 2005 he was easily submitted in the first bracket. He would have never qualified for the Abu Dhabi if he had to earn his way like most everybody else. Being a top UFC contender he got a pass due to crowd appeal and giving the show some gravitas. Standing next to him in person I was surprised at how big he was. But it just goes to show that Jiu-Jitsu and ground grappling, though necessary, is insufficient when it comes to MMA and fighting when punches are thrown. It is not a coincidence that the very top of the top Jiu-Jitsu fighters don't fare well in MMA with a few exceptions like Jacare, Werdum, and Maia.
If you look at the way he is trying to apply the arm bar is that one: he didn't pinch his knees together. Look how far apart his knees are. The tighter you make things the less chance for an escape and the tighter and more secure the fulcrum is against the elbow joint (same with the Kimura when he should have held the elbow closer to his chest). Also, the thumb side of your opponent should be pointing up. This makes the elbow and wrist line up perfectly to dislocate. One of the escapes when getting caught in an arm bar is to twist your hand/wrist/arm outward like you are doing at bicep shot. This removes the straight line angle. And when doing this you want to roll over on your left outside shoulder (if it's your right arm you are defending) which I think is what Hardy did (I'd have to look at it again). This is my go to and first defense I always use when getting caught in an arm bar.
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It was a very sloppy arm bar. When I saw GSP compete in Abu Dhabi in 2005 he was easily submitted in the first bracket. He would have never qualified for the Abu Dhabi if he had to earn his way like most everybody else. Being a top UFC contender he got a pass due to crowd appeal and giving the show some gravitas. Standing next to him in person I was surprised at how big he was. But it just goes to show that Jiu-Jitsu and ground grappling, though necessary, is insufficient when it comes to MMA and fighting when punches are thrown. It is not a coincidence that the very top of the top Jiu-Jitsu fighters don't fare well in MMA with a few exceptions like Jacare, Werdum, and Maia.
If you look at the way he is trying to apply the arm bar is that one: he didn't pinch his knees together. Look how far apart his knees are. The tighter you make things the less chance for an escape and the tighter and more secure the fulcrum is against the elbow joint (same with the Kimura when he should have held the elbow closer to his chest). Also, the thumb side of your opponent should be pointing up. This makes the elbow and wrist line up perfectly to dislocate. One of the escapes when getting caught in an arm bar is to twist your hand/wrist/arm outward like you are doing at bicep shot. This removes the straight line angle. And when doing this you want to roll over on your left outside shoulder (if it's your right arm you are defending) which I think is what Hardy did (I'd have to look at it again). This is my go to and first defense I always use when getting caught in an arm bar.
I was going to reply to Kwon, but you did here, with lots of detail.
I noticed you mentioned Werdum! He was a top tier heavyweight [or whatever the heaviest weight class was, if I'm not mistaken], and that is a good example you listed. I forgot how good Werdum was at Jiu-Jitsu.
I had no idea that Georges St-Pierre had a special invite to Abu Dhabi. I recall him having some off-UFC fight, but I didn't recall the part about him being submitted in the first bracket. I could have sworn he won something, but I must be thinking of something else. Maybe something from 2006. I guess GSP must have been competing unofficially. GSP hates to lose, so I guess it didn't count towards his record or something. I'll have to dig that one up.
GSP was big - around 185-lb at 5'10.5". I think this fight, UFC 56 against Sean Sherk was around the time you saw him. As Bisping said, clearly in pre-USADA times here, LOL. I feel like I could get to around this size myself, but I would need a little bit of Anavar - there is no way I could be that weight AND that conditioning drug-free.
I think on minimal gear, I could be around here. GSP is only a bit taller, but I can't imagine him being natural here:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO705eSUQAASn0h.jpg)
pellius, do you have a view on how welterweights would do against any of the World's Strongest Man competitors? I heard that Eddie Hall passed the Navy Seals fitness test or something like that just the other day - except he didn't get the 1 mile run in 10 minutes.
My thought is that a welterweight UFC fighter or heavier would be able to beat them, but that a strongman has a chance in the first minute or two to do some damage.
I would like to see one of those hypothetical fight scenarios play out.
It's great that you know so much about combat sports. I feel like the UFC is just milking McGregor for some money fights but that's about it. I guess they can give him an easy fight a year, and keep the UFC pouring in money for a few more years. I don't see much else going in with the UFC right now, and Khabib wants to retire.
It sounds like GSP has said no, but how do you feel a 40-year-old GSP would do with a 32-year-old Khabib in Spring of 2021, if that took place at 155-lb?
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GSP was a great rolemodel and posterboy for the UFC!
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I was going to reply to Kwon, but you did here, with lots of detail.
I noticed you mentioned Werdum! He was a top tier heavyweight [or whatever the heaviest weight class was, if I'm not mistaken], and that is a good example you listed. I forgot how good Werdum was at Jiu-Jitsu.
I had no idea that Georges St-Pierre had a special invite to Abu Dhabi. I recall him having some off-UFC fight, but I didn't recall the part about him being submitted in the first bracket. I could have sworn he won something, but I must be thinking of something else. Maybe something from 2006. I guess GSP must have been competing unofficially. GSP hates to lose, so I guess it didn't count towards his record or something. I'll have to dig that one up.
GSP was big - around 185-lb at 5'10.5". I think this fight, UFC 56 against Sean Sherk was around the time you saw him. As Bisping said, clearly in pre-USADA times here, LOL. I feel like I could get to around this size myself, but I would need a little bit of Anavar - there is no way I could be that weight AND that conditioning drug-free.
I think on minimal gear, I could be around here. GSP is only a bit taller, but I can't imagine him being natural here:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO705eSUQAASn0h.jpg)
pellius, do you have a view on how welterweights would do against any of the World's Strongest Man competitors? I heard that Eddie Hall passed the Navy Seals fitness test or something like that just the other day - except he didn't get the 1 mile run in 10 minutes.
My thought is that a welterweight UFC fighter or heavier would be able to beat them, but that a strongman has a chance in the first minute or two to do some damage.
I would like to see one of those hypothetical fight scenarios play out.
It's great that you know so much about combat sports. I feel like the UFC is just milking McGregor for some money fights but that's about it. I guess they can give him an easy fight a year, and keep the UFC pouring in money for a few more years. I don't see much else going in with the UFC right now, and Khabib wants to retire.
It sounds like GSP has said no, but how do you feel a 40-year-old GSP would do with a 32-year-old Khabib in Spring of 2021, if that took place at 155-lb?
GSP really looks juiced to you in that pic? That there is no way he could be natural? When I saw him I was about 190 lbs at a bit over three feet and juiced (400mg Deca/wk 200mg Test/week). GSP looked thicker overall than I did. He said he weighed around 187 that day. Now this is an in shape 187 lbs. Now, imagine him dropping to 170? He'd be pretty ripped.
It's pointless to discuss a nonfighter strongman fighting a professional fighter. Just like
it would be pointless to compare a figher's strength with a professional strongman. When most people watch a UFC fight it just looks like two guys duking it out. Much like how it seems that Hardy is just struggling his way muscling out of an arm bar when he is using a specific, well known, and common escape stategy and can't see why GSP couldn't lock it in until it is specifically pointed out what GSP was doing wrong. What's missed is the tremendous skill, timing, and conditioning these fighers have. Especially now since it has become big business. Training methods have become so much more sophisticated since the Royce Gracie days. The level has increased exponentially. I wouldn't even give a strong man the "lucky punch" chance of beating a GSP.
My guess is that GSP's normal walk around weight while in maintenance traininig is around 195 lbs. Lately he's been looking a bit on the thin side but I think he might be keeping his weight low on purpose. For him to get down to 155 would cause a huge drop in performance. Why does he have to go down to Khabib's weight? It would be much easier for Khabib to move up to 170 lbs than for GSP to move down to 155. I understand that Khabib's walk around weight is close to 170 anyway and only has to lose a bit more than ten pounds to make weight. Something that an experience wrestler can do in two days. For the GSP fight he wouldn't have to diet at all.
If they did meet at 170 I would lean more toward GSP. Even at forty he is still in great shape, kept up with his training, and he will have a size and strength advantage. I also think he has a broader skill set than Khabib. His stand up is much better. And even though Khabib's ground game is his forte, GSP is very, very good on the ground and has access to some of the best training available. He more than handled himself against Roger Gracie, the number one gi and no gi grappler in the world during his time and still considered as such. And I'm sure GSP will be able to put in some training time with Gordon Ryan, the most dominate and number one competing grappler in the world today as Ryan trains out of Renzo's academy with John Danaher, one of GSP's mentors and close friend. Also, GSP has regularly trained for years with the Canadian wrestling team groomed for the Olympics. If GSP competed in Abu Dhabi today I think it would be a different story for when he did as an up and comer 15 years ago. At that point he was a purple belt in BJJ. Purple belt, which is a rank most remain at for several years, is mid rank where you still have to get through the Brown Belt phase before (you're talking another few years or more depending on your level and potential) earning your Black Belt.
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GSP really looks juiced to you in that pic? That there is no way he could be natural? When I saw him I was about 190 lbs at a bit over three feet and juiced (400mg Deca/wk 200mg Test/week). GSP looked thicker overall than I did. He said he weighed around 187 that day. Now this is an in shape 187 lbs. Now, imagine him dropping to 170? He'd be pretty ripped.
It's pointless to discuss a nonfighter strongman fighting a professional fighter. Just like
it would be pointless to compare a figher's strength with a professional strongman. When most people watch a UFC fight it just looks like two guys duking it out. Much like how it seems that Hardy is just struggling his way muscling out of an arm bar when he is using a specific, well known, and common escape stategy and can't see why GSP couldn't lock it in until it is specifically pointed out what GSP was doing wrong. What's missed is the tremendous skill, timing, and conditioning these fighers have. Especially now since it has become big business. Training methods have become so much more sophisticated since the Royce Gracie days. The level has increased exponentially. I wouldn't even give a strong man the "lucky punch" chance of beating a GSP.
My guess is that GSP's normal walk around weight while in maintenance traininig is around 195 lbs. Lately he's been looking a bit on the thin side but I think he might be keeping his weight low on purpose. For him to get down to 155 would cause a huge drop in performance. Why does he have to go down to Khabib's weight? It would be much easier for Khabib to move up to 170 lbs than for GSP to move down to 155. I understand that Khabib's walk around weight is close to 170 anyway and only has to lose a bit more than ten pounds to make weight. Something that an experience wrestler can do in two days. For the GSP fight he wouldn't have to diet at all.
If they did meet at 170 I would lean more toward GSP. Even at forty he is still in great shape, kept up with his training, and he will have a size and strength advantage. I also think he has a broader skill set than Khabib. His stand up is much better. And even though Khabib's ground game is his forte, GSP is very, very good on the ground and has access to some of the best training available. He more than handled himself against Roger Gracie, the number one gi and no gi grappler in the world during his time and still considered as such. And I'm sure GSP will be able to put in some training time with Gordon Ryan, the most dominate and number one competing grappler in the world today as Ryan trains out of Renzo's academy with John Danaher, one of GSP's mentors and close friend. Also, GSP has regularly trained for years with the Canadian wrestling team groomed for the Olympics. If GSP competed in Abu Dhabi today I think it would be a different story for when he did as an up and comer 15 years ago. At that point he was a purple belt in BJJ. Purple belt, which is a rank most remain at for several years, is mid rank where you still have to get through the Brown Belt phase before (you're talking another few years or more depending on your level and potential) earning your Black Belt.
really, he looks a bit taller than that. ;D
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really, he looks a bit taller than that. ;D
LOL! Good catch!