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Title: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: IroNat on September 08, 2020, 07:30:05 AM
 
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: joswift on September 08, 2020, 08:42:58 AM
cliffs?
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: SOMEPARTS on September 08, 2020, 08:44:29 AM
This was the first thing that came to mind. Looks just like the thumbnail.


(https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1478/21/1478216531005.jpg)
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 08, 2020, 09:04:05 AM
I'm sure it was genetic, whatever it was.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Hypertrophy on September 08, 2020, 09:13:29 AM
He'll be dead in a week then, right? Whenever these guys give health reports it means they aren't doing well.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 08, 2020, 09:17:20 AM
He'll be dead in a week then, right? Whenever these guys give health reports it means they aren't doing well.
Reminds me of when Rich Piana went to the doctor and had him tell the camera how healthy Rich was.  The next video was Rich telling about the new rice diet he was on and soon after he was dead.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Hypertrophy on September 08, 2020, 09:23:52 AM
Reminds me of when Rich Piana went to the doctor and had him tell the camera how healthy Rich was.  The next video was Rich telling about the new rice diet he was on and soon after he was dead.

Exactly. The last vid of Ric Draisin had him saying how his kidneys were getting better too.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: titusisback on September 08, 2020, 09:53:32 AM
Bodybuilding is basically about having body dysmorphic disorder and being in denial about side effects, so nothing surprises me at this point.  :-\
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Body-Buildah on September 08, 2020, 10:02:14 AM
John used a LOT of gear in his day. Does damage to heart. A 35% ejection fraction is not good. My recent tests have me at 65% which is outstanding for my age group.
I never used gear, but have been doing Dr. supervised TRT for a couple of years now, my bloods have never changed (only test marker went up, other numbers stayed put).

sometimes its too late when one finds out. John will just need to stay on the 100 Mg TRT and become a cardio nut. (Not overdone extreme cardio, just a good 1 hour walk a day to strengthen heart). I do a walk outside (hilly area) for 45 mins each day, great for cardiac muscle.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: BB on September 08, 2020, 10:03:11 AM
Notes -

Testosterone is 852 ng/dl on 100mg/week. Claims he was on 200mg/wk pre-heart attack. Went cold turkey post HA, levels dropped to 53 ng/dl. Cholesterol levels fine, all numbers looked healthy mid-range. C reactive protein levels very low, credits leanness.

Pause it at 11:38 to see long blood panel. Looks good to normalish.

Pause at 14:37 to see the rest.

Pause 19:07 - C . Artery Blood Flow test good / normal.

Pause 24:00, this is the nasty part, thought he was going to die - Ejection fraction bad - 30-35%, blood clot found apex of left ventricle.

Rest of the video is discussing that part, and treatment.

Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 08, 2020, 10:09:50 AM
John used a LOT of gear in his day. Does damage to heart. A 35% ejection fraction is not good. My recent tests have me at 65% which is outstanding for my age group.
I never used gear, but have been doing Dr. supervised TRT for a couple of years now, my bloods have never changed (only test marker went up, other numbers stayed put).

sometimes its too late when one finds out. John will just need to stay on the 100 Mg TRT and become a cardio nut. (Not overdone extreme cardio, just a good 1 hour walk a day to strengthen heart). I do a walk outside (hilly area) for 45 mins each day, great for cardiac muscle.
Not only are walks good for the body but the mind as well.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Taffin on September 08, 2020, 10:26:18 AM
Notes -

Testosterone is 852 ng/dl on 100mg/week. Claims he was on 200mg/wk pre-heart attack. Went cold turkey post HA, levels dropped to 53 ng/dl. Cholesterol levels fine, all numbers looked healthy mid-range. C reactive protein levels very low, credits leanness.

Pause it at 11:38 to see long blood panel. Looks good to normalish.

Pause at 14:37 to see the rest.

Pause 19:07 - C . Artery Blood Flow test good / normal.

Pause 24:00, this is the nasty part, thought he was going to die - Ejection fraction bad - 30-35%, blood clot found apex of left ventricle.

Rest of the video is discussing that part, and treatment.


We need to organise some sort of award for you dude  8)


ps - The Doc explains things really really well all the way through
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: joswift on September 08, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
Notes -

Testosterone is 852 ng/dl on 100mg/week. Claims he was on 200mg/wk pre-heart attack. Went cold turkey post HA, levels dropped to 53 ng/dl. Cholesterol levels fine, all numbers looked healthy mid-range. C reactive protein levels very low, credits leanness.

Pause it at 11:38 to see long blood panel. Looks good to normalish.

Pause at 14:37 to see the rest.

Pause 19:07 - C . Artery Blood Flow test good / normal.

Pause 24:00, this is the nasty part, thought he was going to die - Ejection fraction bad - 30-35%, blood clot found apex of left ventricle.

Rest of the video is discussing that part, and treatment.

I admire your tenacity..
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: a_pupil on September 08, 2020, 10:47:47 AM
Was it worth it  ???

He should have realised that he wasn't made for the thong when he still looked like shit after his first heavy cycle.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 08, 2020, 10:55:46 AM
You can see the anxiety in him when discussing the bad part. It's tough hearing the lower part of your heart is not moving, basically dead. Said he was feeling great so very shocked at the news. This other doc said there is a chance it might come back alive, to a degree. So now the question is for John to decide if he wants the pacemaker implant. I think I read somewhere that Palumbo has this device in his chest?
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 08, 2020, 01:14:05 PM
You can see the anxiety in him when discussing the bad part. It's tough hearing the lower part of your heart is not moving, basically dead. Said he was feeling great so very shocked at the news. This other doc said there is a chance it might come back alive, to a degree. So now the question is for John to decide if he wants the pacemaker implant. I think I read somewhere that Palumbo has this device in his chest?
These bodybuilders with health problems should go on a crusade to educate others about how unhealthy the lifestyle is instead of living in denial, like Morton Downey, Jr and others did with smoking.  They could save a lot of young people from future harm.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 08, 2020, 01:57:07 PM
These bodybuilders with health problems should go on a crusade to educate others about how unhealthy the lifestyle is instead of living in denial, like Morton Downey, Jr and others did with smoking.  They could save a lot of young people from future harm.

I'm sure he has mixed feelings about that. John knows, as does everyone, that it doesn't matter if some drop dead, it won't stop use in most cases. You can maybe teach risk management, like catching problems earlier, monitoring BP and perhaps more extensive checkups every now and then, what practises are the most dangerous, what to avoid and so on. The lifestyle is very addictive which I know from experience, and potentially dying early won't stop many. There are lots of guys who continue on despite severe issues. For example, an aquaintance of mine developed some acute kidney issues a few years back, ended up in the ER with sky high BP, multiple organ failure etc. He came out alive but docs said he now had 50% kidney function. He was off for maybe a year but then started again, by the looks of him doing less steroids. But a year later he was back in the ER, only now it was worse, he was put in a coma for weeks. Now he is on dialysis and hoping for a transplant.

Now we kid about bodybuilders blaming issues on genes but John's both parents died early from heart attacks, so he probably had a predisposition. When John had his heart attack the docs said his heart was normal size, but he now developed LVH and the dead tissue. From what I've seen he has preached moderation for years, about doing health checkups and using supps and meds proactively to avoid issues. Not that long ago he warned about doing tren constantly and predicting a lot of kidney issues in the near future.

Sure he could say doing any steroids is not worth like Matarazzo did but would it have any effect?
John did say he had doubts about talking about this at all, since people would be talking shit.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Taffin on September 08, 2020, 02:03:27 PM
You can see the anxiety in him when discussing the bad part. It's tough hearing the lower part of your heart is not moving, basically dead. Said he was feeling great so very shocked at the news. This other doc said there is a chance it might come back alive, to a degree. So now the question is for John to decide if he wants the pacemaker implant. I think I read somewhere that Palumbo has this device in his chest?

He said he's getting a MUGA in 2 months time.  If his EF is 35 or over the Doc in the video says he won't need the procedure

What's the betting we see the first vegetarian Mountain Dog between now and then?  (too soon?  ;D)
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 08, 2020, 02:21:35 PM
He said he's getting a MUGA in 2 months time.  If his EF is 35 or over the Doc in the video says he won't need the procedure

What's the betting we see the first vegetarian Mountain Dog between now and then?  (too soon?  ;D)

I doubt he is going to do anything drastic wrt to diet, though it's understandable when people go a bit insane from fear of death. Some become very religious nothing wrong with spirituality but people can't think straight when afraid.
One nutrition and training expert here in Sweden developed some kind of cancer with tumors in his legs. I had thought he was a very sharp dude but then I saw where he started extreme fasting, going weeks without eating, even having days with "dry fasting", where you can't drink or even brush your teeth, all to stimulate autophagy, hoping the cancerous cells will be eaten up. And when he does eat it's just organ meats, vegetables are outright dangerous full if toxic substances. He claimed it was working.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 08, 2020, 02:36:17 PM
I'm sure he has mixed feelings about that. John knows, as does everyone, that it doesn't matter if some drop dead, it won't stop use in most cases. You can maybe teach risk management, like catching problems earlier, monitoring BP and perhaps more extensive checkups every now and then, what practises are the most dangerous, what to avoid and so on. The lifestyle is very addictive which I know from experience, and potentially dying early won't stop many. There are lots of guys who continue on despite severe issues. For example, an aquaintance of mine developed some acute kidney issues a few years back, ended up in the ER with sky high BP, multiple organ failure etc. He came out alive but docs said he now had 50% kidney function. He was off for maybe a year but then started again, by the looks of him doing less steroids. But a year later he was back in the ER, only now it was worse, he was put in a coma for weeks. Now he is on dialysis and hoping for a transplant.

Now we kid about bodybuilders blaming issues on genes but John's both parents died early from heart attacks, so he probably had a predisposition. When John had his heart attack the docs said his heart was normal size, but he now developed LVH and the dead tissue. From what I've seen he has preached moderation for years, about doing health checkups and using supps and meds proactively to avoid issues. Not that long ago he warned about doing tren constantly and predicting a lot of kidney issues in the near future.

Sure he could say doing any steroids is not worth like Matarazzo did but would it have any effect?
John did say he had doubts about talking about this at all, since people would be talking shit.
They probably should see a therapist first for body dysmorphia.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Taffin on September 08, 2020, 03:25:52 PM
They probably should see a therapist first for body dysmorphia.

I wonder if that's even a thing?  I mean, the anorexia angle is well established, but has anyone ever hear of the reverse being treated in mainstream medicine - the 'Bigorexia' side of things - intredasting... off for a Google  ;D
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 08, 2020, 03:45:20 PM
I don't think it's just the physique part that's addicting about steroids. Many juicers don't mind downsizing a bit but the idea of never again feeling that strength, wellbeing, positive aggression, high sex drive etc from high androgen levels doesn't sound very attractive for many of us. Going off completely would make longtime juicers feel like a ghost, a shell of a person. So they would rather die than go off.

John said he got off for a while and felt terrible and docs didn't seem to have a problem with test replacement, it's not good for the heart to have low test but it's even worse for the mind.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Mr Anabolic on September 08, 2020, 04:50:20 PM
Do gear for most of your adult life and you're most likely going to pay for it at some point later on.   I did a few short cycles in my earlier days, but I haven't touched the stuff in 20 years.  I'm going to put off TRT for as long as possible.

I've always liked John and his vids.  I hope his heart condition improves.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Taffin on September 08, 2020, 04:59:49 PM
I wonder if that's even a thing?  I mean, the anorexia angle is well established, but has anyone ever hear of the reverse being treated in mainstream medicine - the 'Bigorexia' side of things - intredasting... off for a Google  ;D

Wow - so it is a thing - who knew?  Probably all of you LOL...

(emphasis mine)

Muscle dysmorphia is a subtype of the obsessive mental disorder body dysmorphic disorder, but is often also grouped with eating disorders.[1][2] In muscle dysmorphia, which is sometimes called "bigorexia", "megarexia", or "reverse anorexia", the delusional or exaggerated belief is that one's own body is too small, too skinny, insufficiently muscular, or insufficiently lean, although in most cases, the individual's build is normal or even exceptionally large and muscular already.[1][3]

Muscle dysmorphia affects mostly males, particularly those involved in sports where body size or weight are competitive factors, becoming rationales to gain muscle or become leaner.[3] The quest to seemingly fix one's body consumes inordinate time, attention, and resources, as on exercise routines, dietary regimens, and nutritional supplementation, while use of anabolic steroids is also common.[1][3] Other body-dysmorphic preoccupations that are not muscle-dysmorphic are usually present as well.[1]

Although likened to anorexia nervosa,[2][4] muscle dysmorphia is especially difficult to recognize, since awareness of it is scarce and persons experiencing muscle dysmorphia typically remain healthy looking.[3] The distress and distraction of muscle dysmorphia provoke absences from school, work, and social settings.[1][5] Compared to other body dysmorphic disorders, rates of suicide attempts are especially high with muscle dysmorphia.[1] Researchers believe that muscle dysmorphia's incidence is rising, partly due to the recent cultural emphasis on muscular male bodies.[3][6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia)


Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: youandme on September 08, 2020, 05:14:41 PM
So did the stroke cause the lower Ejection Fraction?

Or did he have an impaired one before the stroke?

Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: BB on September 08, 2020, 05:25:28 PM
Wow - so it is a thing - who knew?  Probably all of you LOL...

(emphasis mine)

Muscle dysmorphia is a subtype of the obsessive mental disorder body dysmorphic disorder, but is often also grouped with eating disorders.[1][2] In muscle dysmorphia, which is sometimes called "bigorexia", "megarexia", or "reverse anorexia", the delusional or exaggerated belief is that one's own body is too small, too skinny, insufficiently muscular, or insufficiently lean, although in most cases, the individual's build is normal or even exceptionally large and muscular already.[1][3]



There were two big books done on it and male bodybuilding populations in the 90's. One was called "Little Big Men" by Alan Klein, the other, "The Adonis Complex" by Harrison Pope. As of a few years ago, they were still well thought of, and widely quoted in academic circles. The "Little Big Men" is a little more bodybuilding centric.

Here's a fun paper by Pope on male body image and children's toys -

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.3004&rep=rep1&type=pdf .
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: mphgrove on September 08, 2020, 05:50:26 PM
Most doctors barely think about bigorexia (unlike anorexia). They might have heard the term but that’s about it. But if you consider “interfering with social relationships“, etc. as stated above, and then look at all the underemployment, mooching off girlfriends, g4pay, etc, etc. that goes on in segments of the bodybuilding community, all of a sudden maybe the doctors should get themselves more aware of it, beyond just heart, kidneys, the usual physical aspects.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Flexacon on September 08, 2020, 06:38:16 PM
That Doc seemed very switched on, but also a bit of schome.

I would lean towards his advice to wait to see if Ejection Fraction improves. I recently saw a 75 yearolds ejection fraction improve post heart failure from high teens to back over 50!
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 08, 2020, 07:00:52 PM
Casey Viator said on a thread all his blood test came back great. Soon after he was dead from a heart attack. More to health than blood tests. The heart is a muscle and it needs to be strong. What is your resting heart rate? The slower the heart rate the stronger the heart. How quick does your heart rate come down after exertion? What's your blood pressure? What's your vo2 max? How much visceral fat do you have?

Someone gave great advice on a previous post on this thread. Start walking for an hour a day. Your heart muscle will thank you. One of the first things they do after a heart attack is to put you on a treadmill walking program to strengthen the heart. Of course if you're cleared by the cardiologist for that physical therapy.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: pellius on September 08, 2020, 07:05:49 PM
Casey Viator said on a thread all his blood test came back great. Soon after he was dead from a heart attack. More to health than blood tests. The heart is a muscle and it needs to be strong. What is your resting heart rate? The slower the heart rate the stronger the heart. How quick does your heart rate come down after exertion? What's your blood pressure? What's your vo2 max? How much visceral fat do you have?

Someone gave great advice on a previous post on this thread. Start walking for an hour a day. Your heart muscle will thank you. One of the first things they do after a heart attack is to put you on a treadmill walking program to strengthen the heart. Of course if you're cleared by the cardiologist for that physical therapy.

I didn't realize until much later in life how important this aspect is to heart conditioning.
That it's not so much how much your heart rate rises upon exertion (though this is important too) as you need that additional blood flow and supply but how fast it goes back to normal.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: IroNat on September 09, 2020, 05:08:09 AM
If you've been on trt or using gear for extended periods you can't stop using because your testes have shut down.  You are now forced to get trt for the rest of your life.  The doctor talked about this.  Meadows stopped completely and his level was 53 which is like zero.  He castrated himself.  He's a eunuch.  The doc said it might come back over the course of a couple years, a couple years of feeling lousy.  Unless you really need trt stay away from it.  Likewise using steroids for extended periods.  Do short cycles and take long breaks or even better skip it completely.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: IroNat on September 09, 2020, 05:10:13 AM
I didn't realize until much later in life how important this aspect is to heart conditioning.
That it's not so much how much your heart rate rises upon exertion (though this is important too) as you need that additional blood flow and supply but how fast it goes back to normal.
You can have a low heart rate and be cardio fit and still have a heart attack or stroke.  Jim Fixx proved that.  It's mostly genetic.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: pellius on September 09, 2020, 05:12:48 AM
You can have a low heart rate and be cardio fit and still have a heart attack or stroke.  Jim Fixx proved that.  It's mostly genetic.

True. Genetics. It's amazing how much of your life is determined on the day you are born in just about every aspect of life.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: IroNat on September 09, 2020, 05:31:57 AM
True. Genetics. It's amazing how much of your life is determined on the day you are born in just about every aspect of life.
Truth.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Taffin on September 09, 2020, 05:34:28 AM
Truth.

Word.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: IroNat on September 09, 2020, 05:35:34 AM
Word.
Gospel.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 09, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
If you've been on trt or using gear for extended periods you can't stop using because your testes have shut down.  You are now forced to get trt for the rest of your life.  The doctor talked about this.  Meadows stopped completely and his level was 53 which is like zero.  He castrated himself.  He's a eunuch.  The doc said it might come back over the course of a couple years, a couple years of feeling lousy.  Unless you really need trt stay away from it.  Likewise using steroids for extended periods.  Do short cycles and take long breaks or even better skip it completely.
This is why I will never go on trt.
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Taffin on September 09, 2020, 12:24:47 PM
If you've been on trt or using gear for extended periods you can't stop using because your testes have shut down.  You are now forced to get trt for the rest of your life.  The doctor talked about this.  Meadows stopped completely and his level was 53 which is like zero.  He castrated himself.  He's a eunuch.  The doc said it might come back over the course of a couple years, a couple years of feeling lousy.  Unless you really need trt stay away from it.  Likewise using steroids for extended periods.  Do short cycles and take long breaks or even better skip it completely.

What about a different approach?  Quick burst of HCG now and again instead of regular test shots


Edit: for an older guy who would have considered TRT but doesn't like the sound of the 'eunuch' part  ;D  (asking for a friend)
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: Taffin on September 09, 2020, 12:33:26 PM
There were two big books done on it and male bodybuilding populations in the 90's. One was called "Little Big Men" by Alan Klein, the other, "The Adonis Complex" by Harrison Pope. As of a few years ago, they were still well thought of, and widely quoted in academic circles. The "Little Big Men" is a little more bodybuilding centric.

Here's a fun paper by Pope on male body image and children's toys -

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.3004&rep=rep1&type=pdf .

Thanks - that paper is a great read

I remember the first set of He-Man toys and how they made my Action Man (the UK version of GI Joe) look slim - perhaps that was one of my triggers LOL  ;D

(Skeletor - sorry to bring up your arch-enemy  ;D)


(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vaultsofgrayskull.co.uk%2Feightback.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)



Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: IroNat on September 09, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
So did the stroke cause the lower Ejection Fraction?

Or did he have an impaired one before the stroke?


When you have a stroke or heart attack the blood supply to the heart can get shut off so some of the heart muscle is without oxygen and "dies".
Title: Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
Post by: IroNat on September 09, 2020, 12:39:30 PM
What about a different approach?  Quick burst of HCG now and again instead of regular test shots


Edit: for an older guy who would have considered TRT but doesn't like the sound of the 'eunuch' part  ;D  (asking for a friend)
I don't know.  The human body is really a carefully balanced system. It can take abuse up to a point like a car but if you want it to last you take care of it. When our cars run good we take them for granted but if we don't change the oil or do regular maintenance eventually you have problems.  You only have one body, you can't trade it in every few years.