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Title: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Body-Buildah on September 20, 2020, 05:43:04 AM
Any of you Getbiggers ever try one of these? I have a normal Safety SQ bar. (Great for bad shoulders).

The video Tate uses on the page, not a good one (horrible set).

https://www.elitefts.com/rackable-cambered-spider-bar.html
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Marty Champions on September 20, 2020, 06:22:48 AM
No and dave tate looks like he have trouble walking upstairs
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Grape Ape on September 20, 2020, 06:24:42 AM
Have a cambered bar and a SS bar, but never saw one combined.  Cambered bar is my favorite.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Body-Buildah on September 20, 2020, 09:31:38 AM
No and dave tate looks like he have trouble walking upstairs

Tate got into good shape at one point, nowadays he's got the chipmunk cheeks going, and has trouble breathing properly.
Has a decent podcast, but his heavy breathing is off-putting.

(https://muscleandbrawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/dave-tate.jpg)

(https://twobrainbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/elementor/thumbs/EPISODE-87-2-orgghikupidawieav8ejuq4cmjmik82qykbe965j8u.png)
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: IroNat on September 20, 2020, 12:52:19 PM
It's no wonder these guys are having hip replacements.  That wide stance squatting will mess you up.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: JAGO on September 20, 2020, 12:57:16 PM
If it had pullies and lasers I’d have thought basiile designed it.

J

Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Grape Ape on September 20, 2020, 02:15:45 PM
It's no wonder these guys are having hip replacements.  That wide stance squatting will mess you up.

Is this proven?
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: IroNat on September 20, 2020, 03:50:08 PM
Is this proven?

Nothing in weight lifting, powerlifting, or bodybuilding is proven.

Feel your own hips after doing heavy wide squats.

(https://42sjvy150ii33x2zi918e729-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/hip-arthritis-_labeled.jpg)
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Grape Ape on September 20, 2020, 04:41:15 PM
Nothing in weight lifting, powerlifting, or bodybuilding is proven.

Feel your own hips after doing heavy wide squats.

(https://42sjvy150ii33x2zi918e729-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/hip-arthritis-_labeled.jpg)

I do super wide box squats all the time.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: IroNat on September 21, 2020, 05:11:13 AM
I do super wide box squats all the time.

Uh oh, you're in for it.

Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: wes on September 21, 2020, 05:15:22 AM
Save a few hundred bucks and just fucking do squats !!
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Grape Ape on September 21, 2020, 05:23:48 AM
Uh oh, you're in for it.

I don't think so.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Body-Buildah on September 21, 2020, 09:56:15 AM
Save a few hundred bucks and just fucking do squats !!

Moneys nothing (I need to spens it on something once in a while), and w/ torn shoulders hard to hold SQ bar.
However the SSB is working fine. Working on repair/range of motion now to SQ with bar again.
(Tore front-delt 1-year ago AUG, took over a damn year to heal, and still not fully).

Im old
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Grape Ape on September 21, 2020, 09:59:40 AM
Moneys nothing (I need to spens it on something once in a while), and w/ torn shoulders hard to hold SQ bar.
However the SSB is working fine. Working on repair/range of motion now to SQ with bar again.
(Tore front-delt 1-year ago AUG, took over a damn year to heal, and still not fully).

Im old

That's why I got my cambered bar originally.  Had each shoulder fixed, and this made it more comfortable.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: ThisisOverload on September 21, 2020, 10:07:43 AM
We had something similar to this when in high school 20+ years ago, it was just a modified bar with pads and handles to hold out front.  All the football kids used it a lot.  I always thought it was awkward to use.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Dave D on September 21, 2020, 10:10:08 AM
It's no wonder these guys are having hip replacements.  That wide stance squatting will mess you up.

It seems hip and knee replacement is common once you hit certain thresholds regardless of lifestyle
:(
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 21, 2020, 10:39:45 AM
Bar looks like it would be awkward to use.  Is Tate in competition with Louie Simmons now?
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 21, 2020, 12:00:19 PM
It seems hip and knee replacement is common once you hit certain thresholds regardless of lifestyle
:(

It seems people who do no athletic activity have their joints deteriorate from not having strong bones and connective tissue.  Then you have the other extreme of over use by people like bodybuilders. How many pros have had shoulder operations?  It’s a huge amount. I personally think grinding away decade after decade with heavy weights is bad for for the joints. I started lifting at 13 and now in my sixties I’m still at it.  A doctor pointed out that both my forearm bones are slightly curved.  He said decades of lifting bent the bones. Hard to find a lifter my age that doesn’t have some issue like shoulders, knees, hips or something else.   
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: ThisisOverload on September 21, 2020, 12:04:41 PM
All the powerlifters i used to train with 10-15 years ago are having serious issues with their hips and knees once they hit around 45 years old.  I think you can wear out your joints pretty easily with extremely heavy lifting over a long period of time.

My shoulders and elbows are trashed, but my hips and knees are pretty healthy.  I haven't lifted heavy in 5-6 years though.  Also i don't use a barbell for pressing movements anymore, it bothers my shoulders and elbows like crazy.  Just focus on DB's and machines that have adjustable handles.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Body-Buildah on September 21, 2020, 12:06:47 PM
It seems people who do no athletic activity have their joints deteriorate from not having strong bones and connective tissue.  Then you have the other extreme of over use by people like bodybuilders. How many pros have had shoulder operations?  It’s a huge amount. I personally think grinding away decade after decade with heavy weights is bad for for the joints. I started lifting at 13 and now in my sixties I’m still at it.  A doctor pointed out that both my forearm bones are slightly curved.  He said decades of lifting bent the bones. Hard to find a lifter my age that doesn’t have some issue like shoulders, knees, hips or something else.

Yup, lifting heavy weights for a lifetime of training is not good for the skeleton, and connective soft tissue. Light pumpers might be able to get away injury free.
But those who like to lift heavy, be prepared for issues/surgeries as you age. Every older Powerlifter I'm around has had numerous surgeries, joint replacements, etc.
In our time 'rehab/prehab' wasnt a thing unfortunately. Today, many do it, and it makes sense. Im starting to pay attention to it more these days and it does help, just need to be busness-like w/ it.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 21, 2020, 12:08:19 PM
Yep, I quit lifting heavy weights over a decade ago.  All pumping dumbbells now and no problems.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Hypertrophy on September 21, 2020, 12:28:02 PM
Nothing in weight lifting, powerlifting, or bodybuilding is proven.

Feel your own hips after doing heavy wide squats.

(https://42sjvy150ii33x2zi918e729-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/hip-arthritis-_labeled.jpg)

Yep - do the vector (directional force) analysis on the movement and you will find the downward force on the hip joint is attempting to shear it from the socket.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Hypertrophy on September 21, 2020, 12:32:38 PM
Because of my gym closing down as a result of Fauxvid-19, I started using dumbbells only for my workouts at home. What a difference. I will never go back to using barbells, or a gym.
 
I lift for fitness and appearance and have retained if not improved my muscle size as a result of these dumbbell workouts. As for legs, I sprint on my bicycle a few times a week. Works far better than squats with zero back compression or joint pain. Plus it's better being outside.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: IroNat on September 21, 2020, 01:00:11 PM
Yep - do the vector (directional force) analysis on the movement and you will find the downward force on the hip joint is attempting to shear it from the socket.

I was just about to say all that...the vector thing.

 ;)
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Body-Buildah on September 21, 2020, 01:12:01 PM
I was just about to say all that...the vector thing.

 ;)

LMAO  ;D
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 22, 2020, 07:00:54 AM
Because of my gym closing down as a result of Fauxvid-19, I started using dumbbells only for my workouts at home. What a difference. I will never go back to using barbells, or a gym.
 
I lift for fitness and appearance and have retained if not improved my muscle size as a result of these dumbbell workouts. As for legs, I sprint on my bicycle a few times a week. Works far better than squats with zero back compression or joint pain. Plus it's better being outside.
Dumbbells are the best.  Any exercise you can do with a barbell you can do with dumbbells plus you can change the angle easier to hit different parts of the muscle in the same set.  Also, no one ever died from dumbbell benches.
Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: Hypertrophy on September 22, 2020, 08:05:00 AM
I was just about to say all that...the vector thing.

 ;)

lol It's one of the few things I remember with passion from my physics classes.

They had to figure all this out because of hip replacement surgery. The farther out you place your leg away from the hip, the higher the force acting on your hip socket. Your hip abductor muscles try to keep the joint in place but aren't all that strong in relation to your quads. It's no surprise that long time lifters have bad joints.

Title: Re: Spider bar - SQ Bar
Post by: IroNat on September 22, 2020, 12:15:42 PM
lol It's one of the few things I remember with passion from my physics classes.

They had to figure all this out because of hip replacement surgery. The farther out you place your leg away from the hip, the higher the force acting on your hip socket. Your hip abductor muscles try to keep the joint in place but aren't all that strong in relation to your quads. It's no surprise that long time lifters have bad joints.



Interesting.