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He's still a mess... But as long as he keeps improving he will slowly get there...
I've endured a long illness in the past myself, I think in another year he will be getting closer. In the meantime now that he can get some work done it will be much easier for him.
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For how long was he on benzos and what was his dosage at peak? I don't know if this long a recovery is the rule or if he fared particularly badly. Maybe a 2 year taper, or whatever, might have been better, hard to say.
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For how long was he on benzos and what was his dosage at peak? I don't know if this long a recovery is the rule or if he fared particularly badly. Maybe a 2 year taper, or whatever, might have been better, hard to say.
The withdrawal to the reaction he's had apparently can take one to two years.
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He jumped on gear in the joint?
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WHO ???
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A smart guy like him turns out to be not so smart. Why take that shit in the first place?
Big pharma drugs are just as dangerous as street drugs... and they want you addicted. People are nothing more than a cash cows for these fuckers... all they want to do is treat symptoms, never a cure.
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banging on about "how to be the man who can hold it together for everyone at your fathers funeral"
Cant hold it together when his wife is diagnosed with cancer, checks himself into rehab..
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I was taking valium in large doses for 10 months, buying it off the black market and taking it every day no less than 30mg per day. When my contacts ran dry and I ran out I didn't sleep a wink for 13 days. Just sat up all night watching crime shows praying to fall asleep but totally unable. Was also hit with random spasms and what felt like electrical jolts going through my body, and heightened feelings of anxiety and unhappiness. My body was super sensitive and when having sex I would be rock hard just seeing the chick take off her clothes and as soon as I felt her wet pussy on my dick BAM blew my load straight away. Never had problem with coming too soon but when this withdrawal was taking place I would come three on four times in the space of ten minutes just after a few pumps in and out. Guess the nerves were super sensitive or something? Once the two weeks was up I was back to normal and sleeping again and not blowing my load so easily! Was horrible but don't know why Peterson making such a fuss over it?
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Some of the most thoughtful people I've known had drug issues they couldn't outrun. Tentatively he's going on the 2021 deadpool list.
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I was taking valium in large doses for 10 months, buying it off the black market and taking it every day no less than 30mg per day. When my contacts ran dry and I ran out I didn't sleep a wink for 13 days. Just sat up all night watching crime shows praying to fall asleep but totally unable. Was also hit with random spasms and what felt like electrical jolts going through my body, and heightened feelings of anxiety and unhappiness. My body was super sensitive and when having sex I would be rock hard just seeing the chick take off her clothes and as soon as I felt her wet pussy on my dick BAM blew my load straight away. Never had problem with coming too soon but when this withdrawal was taking place I would come three on four times in the space of ten minutes just after a few pumps in and out. Guess the nerves were super sensitive or something? Once the two weeks was up I was back to normal and sleeping again and not blowing my load so easily! Was horrible but don't know why Peterson making such a fuss over it?
Sounds horrific. :(
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Sounds horrific. :(
Not something I am keen to do again but Peterson should man up especially as that was what he used to tell everyone else.
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A smart guy like him turns out to be not so smart. Why take that shit in the first place?
Big pharma drugs are just as dangerous as street drugs... and they want you addicted. People are nothing more than a cash cows for these fuckers... all they want to do is treat symptoms, never a cure.
He was prescribed it, and threw them down his throat blindly trusting the doctor.
This is one situation where wearing a layer of tinfoil and being a google search doctor could have saved him.
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The withdrawal to the reaction he's had apparently can take one to two years.
Some of the damage can be permanent. Withdrawals can last for years, or what is called PAWS, post acute wiithdrawal syndrome. There are some videos on youtube of people who have permanent tremors and ticks and jerks 10 years after they quit. For whatever reason some don't get extreme withdrawals. A couple of years back I was prescribed Valium for 8 weeks and was worried that it would be rough going cold turkey but luckily it was a breeze. Knock on wood. A friend of mine was doing like 120mg of Valium for years but claims he was able to quit but you can see the damage done.
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He jumped on gear in the joint?
(https://lepfitness.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/9852459474c52bea4aa75d6170ae02af.jpg)
Jordan looks way healthier there but still had trouble digesting all that men meat.
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I feel that most all drugs effect your mineral balance wich are your foundation of all chemical reactions
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I was taking valium in large doses for 10 months, buying it off the black market and taking it every day no less than 30mg per day. When my contacts ran dry and I ran out I didn't sleep a wink for 13 days. Just sat up all night watching crime shows praying to fall asleep but totally unable. Was also hit with random spasms and what felt like electrical jolts going through my body, and heightened feelings of anxiety and unhappiness. My body was super sensitive and when having sex I would be rock hard just seeing the chick take off her clothes and as soon as I felt her wet pussy on my dick BAM blew my load straight away. Never had problem with coming too soon but when this withdrawal was taking place I would come three on four times in the space of ten minutes just after a few pumps in and out. Guess the nerves were super sensitive or something? Once the two weeks was up I was back to normal and sleeping again and not blowing my load so easily! Was horrible but don't know why Peterson making such a fuss over it?
You were on Valium
Valium has a half life of 180-200hrs
That’s why you came off nice n steady
Klonopin & Xanax have far shorter half life’s
Coming off them is literally impossible without using a long half life benzo to taper off
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banging on about "how to be the man who can hold it together for everyone at your fathers funeral"
Cant hold it together when his wife is diagnosed with cancer, checks himself into rehab..
Brutal.
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Psyche drugs are the worst.
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I was taking valium in large doses for 10 months, buying it off the black market and taking it every day no less than 30mg per day. When my contacts ran dry and I ran out I didn't sleep a wink for 13 days. Just sat up all night watching crime shows praying to fall asleep but totally unable. Was also hit with random spasms and what felt like electrical jolts going through my body, and heightened feelings of anxiety and unhappiness. My body was super sensitive and when having sex I would be rock hard just seeing the chick take off her clothes and as soon as I felt her wet pussy on my dick BAM blew my load straight away. Never had problem with coming too soon but when this withdrawal was taking place I would come three on four times in the space of ten minutes just after a few pumps in and out. Guess the nerves were super sensitive or something? Once the two weeks was up I was back to normal and sleeping again and not blowing my load so easily! Was horrible but don't know why Peterson making such a fuss over it?
That alone must've been horrible. Did you have hallucinations?
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That alone must've been horrible. Did you have hallucinations?
I started hearing things in my mind like mobile phones ringing that were not real. They sounded real to me and I would say 'Whose phone is ringing?' and people would say no phone ringing and look at me strangely. When I cottoned on to this I just accepted it was in my mind and told myself to ignore it. I started to see tracers in the air, like little stars in the air that would evaporate within seconds. They were quite cool but by this point I just wanted it to end and was conscious of having a stroke or something. The worst things were the shooting electric shocks that would come out of nowhere and move my body involuntarily with these huge jolts. One morning after no sleep I was holding a cup of coffee and out of nowhere I just shook my arm and slung the lot across the floor. This bird I was with must have thought I was bonkers.
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I was taking valium in large doses for 10 months, buying it off the black market and taking it every day no less than 30mg per day. When my contacts ran dry and I ran out I didn't sleep a wink for 13 days. Just sat up all night watching crime shows praying to fall asleep but totally unable. Was also hit with random spasms and what felt like electrical jolts going through my body, and heightened feelings of anxiety and unhappiness. My body was super sensitive and when having sex I would be rock hard just seeing the chick take off her clothes and as soon as I felt her wet pussy on my dick BAM blew my load straight away. Never had problem with coming too soon but when this withdrawal was taking place I would come three on four times in the space of ten minutes just after a few pumps in and out. Guess the nerves were super sensitive or something? Once the two weeks was up I was back to normal and sleeping again and not blowing my load so easily! Was horrible but don't know why Peterson making such a fuss over it?
I take a sertraline 50mgs and 5mgs valium every night
sometimes feel ropey in the am if I take it too late, 30mgs must be a head fuck
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He jumped on gear in the joint?
(https://lepfitness.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/9852459474c52bea4aa75d6170ae02af.jpg)
holy chest
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I started hearing things in my mind like mobile phones ringing that were not real. They sounded real to me and I would say 'Whose phone is ringing?' and people would say no phone ringing and look at me strangely. When I cottoned on to this I just accepted it was in my mind and told myself to ignore it. I started to see tracers in the air, like little stars in the air that would evaporate within seconds. They were quite cool but by this point I just wanted it to end and was conscious of having a stroke or something. The worst things were the shooting electric shocks that would come out of nowhere and move my body involuntarily with these huge jolts. One morning after no sleep I was holding a cup of coffee and out of nowhere I just shook my arm and slung the lot across the floor. This bird I was with must have thought I was bonkers.
I had a close friend years ago that was taking 40-50mg of Valium a day for around 2 years. When he stopped taking them he was fine for a couple days and then started having seizures. One time we were standing in his backyard watching football about 3-4 months after he got clean, all the sudden he collapses and smacks his head on the concrete patio, the sound his head made hitting the concrete is something i can still hear in my mind today, it was terrible. I thought he was dead but he was just having a seizure. His wife had to be with him everywhere he went for almost a year, he would randomly blackout. That's why i'll never take that stuff again, i had a script for it years ago for general anxiety, but i only took it at night to help me sleep off and on.
I dated this girl a long time ago who was on Klonopin for a long time, over 2 years. She had been in a bad relationship with this guy and he was literally stalking her all over town. She was having anxiety attacks because she was scared of him; he'd just show up places where she was and cause trouble and he was violent. He ended up getting thrown in jail for drinking and driving, so she approached me about stopping the drugs; to be honest i dated her for 3 months and didn't know she was taking anything. Well, she tapered down slowly over a 5-6 week period and suddenly had a freaking emotional meltdown. Like she would cry ALL the time about everything. It was insane, you could barely talk to her about anything and she would get emotional as hell. I don't know how much of the stuff she was taking, but it messed her up badly. We stopped talking for a while because she was just nutty. She ended up living with her aunt for like 6 months in order to get help. After 2-3 months she was fine and we started dating again, but damn she was like an emotional rollercoaster for months.
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I had a close friend years ago that was taking 40-50mg of Valium a day for around 2 years. When he stopped taking them he was fine for a couple days and then started having seizures. One time we were standing in his backyard watching football about 3-4 months after he got clean, all the sudden he collapses and smacks his head on the concrete patio, the sound his head made hitting the concrete is something i can still hear in my mind today, it was terrible. I thought he was dead but he was just having a seizure. His wife had to be with him everywhere he went for almost a year, he would randomly blackout. That's why i'll never take that stuff again, i had a script for it years ago for general anxiety, but i only took it at night to help me sleep off and on.
I dated this girl a long time ago who was on Klonopin for a long time, over 2 years. She had been in a bad relationship with this guy and he was literally stalking her all over town. She was having anxiety attacks because she was scared of him; he'd just show up places where she was and cause trouble and he was violent. He ended up getting thrown in jail for drinking and driving, so she approached me about stopping the drugs; to be honest i dated her for 3 months and didn't know she was taking anything. Well, she tapered down slowly over a 5-6 week period and suddenly had a freaking emotional meltdown. Like she would cry ALL the time about everything. It was insane, you could barely talk to her about anything and she would get emotional as hell. I don't know how much of the stuff she was taking, but it messed her up badly. We stopped talking for a while because she was just nutty. She ended up living with her aunt for like 6 months in order to get help. After 2-3 months she was fine and we started dating again, but damn she was like an emotional rollercoaster for months.
It would be fair to say that you were not "her rock"
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How does Valium compare to Ativan/lorazepam on a milligram basis? I've known folks prescribed the latter, 1-2 mg/daily for years; when they went completely off, they had withdrawal for a week or so. After that, they said they felt normal.
I have been prescribed Ativan before. Coming off wasn't easy but it didn't take all that long. What is Peterson doing that I didn't?
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For how long was he on benzos and what was his dosage at peak? I don't know if this long a recovery is the rule or if he fared particularly badly. Maybe a 2 year taper, or whatever, might have been better, hard to say.
I think he went into rehab for Clonazepam around March of 2019, having claimed in his longer video with his daughter [when he was fresh out of the being placed into a medically-induced coma in Russia] that he started using benzodiazepines in December of 2016.
My brother thinks he was actually using for much longer than that, and was in fact on benzos in his TVO special appearance videos from as far back as 2011.
Allegedly, the quantity would have been equivalent to around 4mg of Xanax daily for the 2.5 years before he sought out treatment.
It took 14 days of a medically-induced coma in Russia, then 14 days of being a zombie that he said felt like one day before he finally got back to himself.
Benzodiazepine withdrawal seems to be one giant mess. I strongly advice anyone on here to only take benzos as needed and to NEVER go 14 days in a row using them, and if you do, to ABSOLUTELY NEVER go 28 days in a row. I don't even want to suggest what sort of schedule a person could get away with because of what a nightmare withdrawal seems to be, after having heard what Jordan Peterson reported.
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How does Valium compare to Ativan/lorazepam on a milligram basis? I've known folks prescribed the latter, 1-2 mg/daily for years; when they went completely off, they had withdrawal for a week or so. After that, they said they felt normal.
I have been prescribed Ativan before. Coming off wasn't easy but it didn't take all that long. What is Peterson doing that I didn't?
I love that you used capital letters for the brand name, but lower case for the chemical name - I'm a big fan of proper form in writing. :)
I think lorazepam [Ativan] is 50% the strength of alprazolam [Xanax].
Valium...that's a benzodiazepine that was in fashion a long time ago, and I think is considerably low on the strength scale, compared to other benzos. It wouldn't surprise me if Valium was something like 10% of the strength of Xanax [making it 20% the strength of Ativan].
A friend of mine has told me that you can just use another benzo for withdrawal of a benzo [as in, Ativan can be used for Xanax withdrawal]. I don't know if that is exactly accurate...it seems too easy to me...but there may be some partial truth to that.
The way I put it is like this:
Benzodiazepines are the hot dogs of pharmaceutical drugs.
Opiates are the sirloin steaks of pharmaceutical drugs.
And benzos increase the risk of dementia, according to Jordan Peterson. I really hope to never become dependent on them.
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I dated this girl a long time ago who was on Klonopin for a long time, over 2 years. She had been in a bad relationship with this guy and he was literally stalking her all over town. She was having anxiety attacks because she was scared of him; he'd just show up places where she was and cause trouble and he was violent. He ended up getting thrown in jail for drinking and driving, so she approached me about stopping the drugs; to be honest i dated her for 3 months and didn't know she was taking anything. Well, she tapered down slowly over a 5-6 week period and suddenly had a freaking emotional meltdown. Like she would cry ALL the time about everything. It was insane, you could barely talk to her about anything and she would get emotional as hell. I don't know how much of the stuff she was taking, but it messed her up badly. We stopped talking for a while because she was just nutty. She ended up living with her aunt for like 6 months in order to get help. After 2-3 months she was fine and we started dating again, but damn she was like an emotional rollercoaster for months.
Pfft! A true GetBigger would have kept banging her regardless...
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Peterson is a liberal but became a "conservative" voice when he spoke out against 40 different genders. Kind of like Mike Pence becoming a liberal leader if he said it's wrong to urinate on liberals.
He became part of the self-named, so-called conservative "intellectual darkweb" who people that don't know better fall for.
Someone that frail shouldn't be shaping minds.
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Peterson is a liberal but became a "conservative" voice when he spoke out against 40 different genders. Kind of like Mike Pence becoming a liberal leader if he said it's wrong to urinate on liberals.
He became part of the self-named, so-called conservative "intellectual darkweb" who people that don't know better fall for.
Someone that frail shouldn't be shaping minds.
most are frail past 40 except trump
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Pfft! A true GetBigger would have kept banging her regardless...
Her aunt no less!
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I'm not one bit surprised to hear of so many horror stories related to the use of these drugs, the useless Drs that blindly prescribe them would be the first to say "oh thats too bad" and do nothing when your stuck in a long term withdrawal..... That's why I would never take any of these meds.
As for Peterson there are obviously degrees for which individuals experience this withdrawal effect, he seems to be on the extreme end of the spectrum.
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I'm not one bit surprised to hear of so many horror stories related to the use of these drugs, the useless Drs that blindly prescribe them would be the first to say "oh thats too bad" and do nothing when your stuck in a long term withdrawal..... That's why I would never take any of these meds.
As for Peterson there are obviously degrees for which individuals experience this withdrawal effect, he seems to be on the extreme end of the spectrum.
He just had to be didnt he, couldnt be just regular withdrawal, had to be worse than everyone else's..
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We wuz kangs
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As a doc the thing I hate the most of my job is to fight with people with the addiction to benzos. They will go extreme length to secure a source to the drugs. No one wants to stop and they will get really manipulative. "The last doctor was way more smart than you." Sure, yeah I'm a dumb fuck but you're still addicted. "No I'm not. I can quit anytime"
Most of my colleagues don't want to fight so many will just do what the patient wants.
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I love that you used capital letters for the brand name, but lower case for the chemical name - I'm a big fan of proper form in writing. :)
Why, thank you kindly, sir :) I was a copy/line editor by trade :)
I think lorazepam [Ativan] is 50% the strength of alprazolam [Xanax].
Valium...that's a benzodiazepine that was in fashion a long time ago, and I think is considerably low on the strength scale, compared to other benzos. It wouldn't surprise me if Valium was something like 10% of the strength of Xanax [making it 20% the strength of Ativan].
A friend of mine has told me that you can just use another benzo for withdrawal of a benzo [as in, Ativan can be used for Xanax withdrawal]. I don't know if that is exactly accurate...it seems too easy to me...but there may be some partial truth to that.
The way I put it is like this:
Benzodiazepines are the hot dogs of pharmaceutical drugs.
Opiates are the sirloin steaks of pharmaceutical drugs.
And benzos increase the risk of dementia, according to Jordan Peterson. I really hope to never become dependent on them.
Possibly.
Benzodiazepines in general fuzz the user's memory, demented or no; but coupled with a genetic propensity for dementia, long-term use is almost guaranteed to frig with memory, long-term and short. Couple that with alcohol use, and ... Oh, boy. Bad things ensue.