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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
Congratulations! That pciture looksgreat! All the best, sir!
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
Be careful Coach. Just because I think your politics suck doesn't mean I want to see you unwell.
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
Just win North American 2o21 !.
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Glad to hear the good news, Coach!
Sometimes, though, I think certain biomarkers are “mis-emphasized.”
For example, creatinine levels are often elevated in people who exercise because that kind of physical activity increases the breakdown of creatine into creatinine.
Of course, I’m not dismissing any of these markers - particularly for anyone with demonstrated health concerns.
And, I wish you the best of luck getting back to your routine safely and intelligently!
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You can do it safely and intelligently as much as you can but you are nearing 60. The thought of you even considering giving it one last go next year is mind boggling
Bbers are truly sick in the head, won’t quit until 6 ft under
Just work out, stay in shape, and enjoy your life
I really do fear for your health coach
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Just maintain your current jacked condition and you'll be fine.
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=669153.0;attach=1279935;image)
Looking better than ever Joe!
Lean and Mean!
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Great news Joe,congrats and stay on point !!
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Glad to hear it.look great in that pic.
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Glad your still injecting you are a bb hero
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
great news, keep breathing defiance joe. keep us apprised with video updates on your current condition and routines.
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
looking great!
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Glad to hear the good news, Coach!
Sometimes, though, I think certain biomarkers are “mis-emphasized.”
For example, creatinine levels are often elevated in people who exercise because that kind of physical activity increases the breakdown of creatine into creatinine.
Of course, I’m not dismissing any of these markers - particularly for anyone with demonstrated health concerns.
And, I wish you the best of luck getting back to your routine safely and intelligently!
Although creatinine numbers will be higher in individuals partaking in more than average exercise/weight training, one cannot dismiss the higher # of creatinine, BUN, with simultaneous drop in GFR. (especially if there are symptomatic issues signaling drop in renal function) Very high correlation to Renal function!!! BUN will self regulate over time--just your body's way of maintaining proper pH levels.
It is great news to hear that your renal GFR is getting better... Just always remember the functioning of your kidneys far outweighs the potential musculature achieved through excessive amounts of byproducts that your kidney needs to filtrate at this point... Once your renal system goes down... everything else follows-- liver...cardiovascular.. .etc. Thus leading to more systemic complications... This is ALWAYS the same story.. Although it sucks to be extra cautious, it is good news that you have the ability to now see it from this perspective and can make adjustments.. but that is up to you brother... keep your head up
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What was the problem Coach?
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
You look f'n jacked and ripped in that posted pic! Very Impressive! 100% serious.
Now, bro to bro, it might be a good idea to switch gears and evolve into a more overall fitness program.
God's speed my friend in finding some inner peace as you make this tough decision .
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You look fantastic here Joe..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=669153.0;attach=1279935;image)
As someone that really likes you, my suggestion is to walk away from the steroids. Want to continue working out and competing? Sure, why not, but do it all natural. The results won't be as impressive, but we need you alive man.
If you can keep that weight and overall shape as displayed in the picture above, you're all set buddy. There's nothing left to prove Joe.
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Keeping that shape naturally? ???
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You look fantastic here Joe..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=669153.0;attach=1279935;image)
As someone that really likes you, my suggestion is to walk away from the steroids. Want to continue working out and competing? Sure, why not, but do it all natural. The results won't be as impressive, but we need you alive man.
If you can keep that weight and overall shape as displayed in the picture above, you're all set buddy. There's nothing left to prove Joe.
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TRUTH
WE NEED YOU ALIVE JOE!
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Coach,
Don't listen to these pussies.
Now that the docs cleared you get back in there and push your body to its limit and beyond.
Life is short so why not make it shorter.
Red line it, baby!
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Coach,
Don't listen to these pussies.
Now that the docs cleared you get back in there and push your body to its limit and beyond.
Life is short so why not make it shorter.
Red line it, baby!
Yes, he could do that , but is it in his best interest? I don't think so.
Will these getbig cheerleaders be there if he ruins a kidney ? Fuk No!
His body and blood work are the messengers and he needs to listen and make his peace with it.
I'm really sorry Coach, but, It's TIME to move on bro.
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Looking great Coach
Give it a go next year , if you dont you might regret it
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Coach, did you consider astragalus as a kidney supplement? Not saying it's a panacea but it's interesting how it seems to help kidney markers in juicers.
You look fantastic here Joe..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=669153.0;attach=1279935;image)
As someone that really likes you, my suggestion is to walk away from the steroids. Want to continue working out and competing? Sure, why not, but do it all natural. The results won't be as impressive, but we need you alive man.
If you can keep that weight and overall shape as displayed in the picture above, you're all set buddy. There's nothing left to prove Joe.
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Come on, man. There's no walking away from steroids completely, at least HRT is a must for old juiceheads. Most would rather die than go clean, just the way it is. Competing and maintaining natural? There is no maintaining off everything and absolutely no competing, unless you want to weigh 50lbs less with 10lbs more fat.
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Coach is like Dark Knight Returns Batman:
(http://www.wired.com/geekdad/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/greatbatman03.jpg)
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
Great news - more power to you 8)
Just please go easy on the anti-inflammatories this time round (was it naproxen?)
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Coach,
Don't listen to these pussies.
Now that the docs cleared you get back in there and push your body to its limit and beyond.
Life is short so why not make it shorter.
Red line it, baby!
Live by the thong, die by the thong
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Coach, did you consider astragalus as a kidney supplement? Not saying it's a panacea but it's interesting how it seems to help kidney markers in juicers.
Come on, man. There's no walking away from steroids completely, at least HRT is a must for old juiceheads. Most would rather die than go clean, just the way it is. Competing and maintaining natural? There is no maintaining off everything and absolutely no competing, unless you want to weigh 50lbs less with 10lbs more fat.
If you mean by way of them shutting down their pituitary glands to the point of needing some testosterone to counteract the excessive amounts of estrogen that will be produced leading to psychological and physical abnormalities, sure, I guess I can see what you mean by the idea of juiceheads being incapable of turning back from steroids completely.
Losing muscle mass and carrying a thin layer of fat isn't great, but it's good enough to have while staying healthy well into your 50s. The guy looks good enough if he just keeps lower body fat levels, why not adapt to that look?
Either way, nothing but respect for a guy like Coach for still getting serious and dieting down to shredded levels.
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
just ask yourself, what would President Trump do?
anyway, great news!
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If you mean by way of them shutting down their pituitary glands to the point of needing some testosterone to counteract the excessive amounts of estrogen that will be produced leading to psychological and physical abnormalities, sure, I guess I can see what you mean by the idea of juiceheads being incapable of turning back from steroids completely.
Losing muscle mass and carrying a thin layer of fat isn't great, but it's good enough to have while staying healthy well into your 50s. The guy looks good enough if he just keeps lower body fat levels, why not adapt to that look?
Either way, nothing but respect for a guy like Coach for still getting serious and dieting down to shredded levels.
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Simply put, death is preferable to accepting a life with zero testosterone, which is essentially what would happen. 99% of long time juicers make this call even if they risk death if continuing with any amount of steroids. It's not just losing muscle and putting on fat, some would accept even this, but test is like the life force, without it you aren't a man. A few might be able to adapt to this state but it would be like changing religions I guess.
A small technical detail: going off steroids crashes your estrogen as well since basically all estrogen in males comes from conversion from testosterone. Estrogen is very important for males too, both psychologically and physically e.g. important for the cardiovascular system.
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Simply put, death is preferable to accepting a life with zero testosterone, which is essentially what would happen. 99% of long time juicers make this call even if they risk death if continuing with any amount of steroids. It's not just losing muscle and putting on fat, some would accept even this, but test is like the life force, without it you aren't a man. A few might be able to adapt to this state but it would be like changing religions I guess.
A small technical detail: going off steroids crashes your estrogen as well since basically all estrogen in males comes from conversion from testosterone. Estrogen is very important for males too, both psychologically and physically e.g. important for the cardiovascular system.
Looking at Shawn Ray these days I believe he’s completely off and enjoying life, he stated he’s not even on TRT, he’s 55 years old
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year
of course you're stupid enough
just that statement alone is proof that you're dumber than a box of rocks
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Risk vs reward?
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Risk vs reward?
CONSIDER THIS !
1 -2 more years of riding into the sunset (abusing your renal system to no longer being able to function properly) =
Dramatic shift to endless dark days.. and here are the consequences just to name a FEW..I HIGHLY DOUBT ANY OF YOU WOULD THINK IT'S WORTH IT ONCE YOU HAVE GONE PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN and have to wake up every day feeling like this:
Kidney Failure:
* No longer able to filtrate electrolytes properly such as sodium, potassium, etc. = rebound effect of HIGH levels angiotensin production = bad bad days of severe water retention.. uncontrollable hypertension/BP (anti-hypertensive medication may no longer be effective at this point when kidneys are shutdown). THUS --> Impending CARDIOVASCULAR doom! more strain on your heart
* Now dialysis dependent! = Extremely weaker immune system--opportunistic infections that normally won't do shit to you will now have a better shot at taking you out.... quality of life- you will live at a Dialysis center practically for hours on end!! seeing the look on patients' faces is really depressing...
* Kidneys are also a key component of EPO production.. yeah not anymore.. so Red blood cell production out of whack..and I cannot tell you the complications of uncontrolled blood production...
This is not a lifestyle that is worth the risk when you have already been warned.. many physicians do not have a clear picture of the true abuse a patient is putting their body's through.. and I'll be honest.. yes, steroids play a key factor.. BUT the lifestyle of breaking down consistent excessive pounds of red meat/protein to the extreme levels of retaining a certain level of lean body mass.. a younger person with fully functioning kidneys would be fine .. but once you went down south with it's functioning (medical history of declining renal function)... really consider changing diet plans.. a physician will give green light to encourage brighter insight for the patient.. but as a physician..I will be brutally honest... I know the lifestyle is probably the most difficult piece of you to change.. but the timing of change IS the key to ensuring longevity.. going balls to walls will shut your body back down in NO TIME... the consequences are NOT worth it if you have family, loved ones, etc. that would like to see you around being able to walk on your own two feet without feeling sick 24-7
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larger than Phil..
In 3-4 years, you will have the size of Tom Prince + medical bills for the end of your life. Smart decision.
you are a warrior, you are an american, so push all beyond the limits
there is no american dream, time to grow up, man
best
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CONSIDER THIS !
1 -2 more years of riding into the sunset (abusing your renal system to no longer being able to function properly) =
Dramatic shift to endless dark days.. and here are the consequences just to name a FEW..I HIGHLY DOUBT ANY OF YOU WOULD THINK IT'S WORTH IT ONCE YOU HAVE GONE PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN and have to wake up every day feeling like this:
Kidney Failure:
* No longer able to filtrate electrolytes properly such as sodium, potassium, etc. = rebound effect of HIGH levels angiotensin production = bad bad days of severe water retention.. uncontrollable hypertension/BP (anti-hypertensive medication may no longer be effective at this point when kidneys are shutdown). THUS --> Impending CARDIOVASCULAR doom! more strain on your heart
* Now dialysis dependent! = Extremely weaker immune system--opportunistic infections that normally won't do shit to you will now have a better shot at taking you out.... quality of life- you will live at a Dialysis center practically for hours on end!! seeing the look on patients' faces is really depressing...
* Kidneys are also a key component of EPO production.. yeah not anymore.. so Red blood cell production out of whack..and I cannot tell you the complications of uncontrolled blood production...
This is not a lifestyle that is worth the risk when you have already been warned.. many physicians do not have a clear picture of the true abuse a patient is putting their body's through.. and I'll be honest.. yes, steroids play a key factor.. BUT the lifestyle of breaking down consistent excessive pounds of red meat/protein to the extreme levels of retaining a certain level of lean body mass.. a younger person with fully functioning kidneys would be fine .. but once you went down south with it's functioning (medical history of declining renal function)... really consider changing diet plans.. a physician will give green light to encourage brighter insight for the patient.. but as a physician..I will be brutally honest... I know the lifestyle is probably the most difficult piece of you to change.. but the timing of change IS the key to ensuring longevity.. going balls to walls will shut your body back down in NO TIME... the consequences are NOT worth it if you have family, loved ones, etc. that would like to see you around being able to walk on your own two feet without feeling sick 24-7
THIS x 100 !
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CONSIDER THIS !
1 -2 more years of riding into the sunset (abusing your renal system to no longer being able to function properly) =
Dramatic shift to endless dark days.. and here are the consequences just to name a FEW..I HIGHLY DOUBT ANY OF YOU WOULD THINK IT'S WORTH IT ONCE YOU HAVE GONE PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN and have to wake up every day feeling like this:
Kidney Failure:
* No longer able to filtrate electrolytes properly such as sodium, potassium, etc. = rebound effect of HIGH levels angiotensin production = bad bad days of severe water retention.. uncontrollable hypertension/BP (anti-hypertensive medication may no longer be effective at this point when kidneys are shutdown). THUS --> Impending CARDIOVASCULAR doom! more strain on your heart
* Now dialysis dependent! = Extremely weaker immune system--opportunistic infections that normally won't do shit to you will now have a better shot at taking you out.... quality of life- you will live at a Dialysis center practically for hours on end!! seeing the look on patients' faces is really depressing...
* Kidneys are also a key component of EPO production.. yeah not anymore.. so Red blood cell production out of whack..and I cannot tell you the complications of uncontrolled blood production...
This is not a lifestyle that is worth the risk when you have already been warned.. many physicians do not have a clear picture of the true abuse a patient is putting their body's through.. and I'll be honest.. yes, steroids play a key factor.. BUT the lifestyle of breaking down consistent excessive pounds of red meat/protein to the extreme levels of retaining a certain level of lean body mass.. a younger person with fully functioning kidneys would be fine .. but once you went down south with it's functioning (medical history of declining renal function)... really consider changing diet plans.. a physician will give green light to encourage brighter insight for the patient.. but as a physician..I will be brutally honest... I know the lifestyle is probably the most difficult piece of you to change.. but the timing of change IS the key to ensuring longevity.. going balls to walls will shut your body back down in NO TIME... the consequences are NOT worth it if you have family, loved ones, etc. that would like to see you around being able to walk on your own two feet without feeling sick 24-7
or stop doing the things he loves and living an extra 20 years 10 of them spent in a nursing home getting slapped about by some shit head nurse, left lying in his own shit because he cant get out of bed, never seeing anyone because no one gives a fuck about elderly relatives after a few months of them being in a care home
Doing drugs may knock ten years off your life, but one things for certain, they are the worst ten
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Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).
We’ll see if Itstupid enough to give this one more go next year
I was not aware you were on a restricted regime. Glad to read that you are good to go now and that you've apparently been following your doctor's recommendations. Smart man. Looking good in that photo as well. Enjoy your 60's (28). Before you know it, you will be 76 like me.....well not exactly, since you'll undoubtedly be in better physical condition, from a bodybuilding standpoint, than I am.
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Brain is gone, kidneys close behind.
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Ultimately, it doesn't matter what any one of us has to say.
Joe will pick his own destiny. His wife and children will certainly have an impact on the amount of risk he is willing to take in the name of competition. He knows there's nothing left to prove, but certainly years of his life to literally leave on the stage.
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or stop doing the things he loves and living an extra 20 years 10 of them spent in a nursing home getting slapped about by some shit head nurse, left lying in his own shit because he cant get out of bed, never seeing anyone because no one gives a fuck about elderly relatives after a few months of them being in a care home
Doing drugs may knock ten years off your life, but one things for certain, they are the worst ten
So keep doing the things he loves but don’t give a fuck about his wife, kids, when health issues and medical bills start piling up. Good mindset
No one said give up on working out or living a healthy lifestyle, but if you already have health issues and approaching 60, it makes more sense to really think it through and revaluate your priorities
But I get it, live by the thong, die by the thong
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Although creatinine numbers will be higher in individuals partaking in more than average exercise/weight training, one cannot dismiss the higher # of creatinine, BUN, with simultaneous drop in GFR. (especially if there are symptomatic issues signaling drop in renal function) Very high correlation to Renal function!!! BUN will self regulate over time--just your body's way of maintaining proper pH levels.
It is great news to hear that your renal GFR is getting better... Just always remember the functioning of your kidneys far outweighs the potential musculature achieved through excessive amounts of byproducts that your kidney needs to filtrate at this point... Once your renal system goes down... everything else follows-- liver...cardiovascular.. .etc. Thus leading to more systemic complications... This is ALWAYS the same story.. Although it sucks to be extra cautious, it is good news that you have the ability to now see it from this perspective and can make adjustments.. but that is up to you brother... keep your head up
It is amazing how little protein the body needs to be healthy. The idea that 1 gm of protein for each pound of body-weight is the ideal amount is wrong. Also, vegetable based protein is good protein too.
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It is amazing how little protein the body needs to be healthy. The idea that 1 gm of protein for each pound of body-weight is the ideal amount is wrong. Also, vegetable based protein is good protein too.
that was made up by Weiders to sell fart powder, its easier to drink your protein than eat it.
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It is amazing how little protein the body needs to be healthy. The idea that 1 gm of protein for each pound of body-weight is the ideal amount is wrong. Also, vegetable based protein is good protein too.
Complete nonsense.
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Ultimately, it doesn't matter what any one of us has to say.
Joe will pick his own destiny. His wife and children will certainly have an impact on the amount of risk he is willing to take in the name of competition. He knows there's nothing left to prove, but certainly years of his life to literally leave on the stage.
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Maybe his wife will put his Roids on the top shelf so he can’t reach them ???
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Maybe his wife will put his Roids on the top shelf so he can’t reach them ???
She's a Getbigger, I wouldn't be surprised if she had a touch of troll in her heart.
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Joe, it’s time to take the foot off the gas pedal. You have to stop living this lie. Trying to make up for your short stature and tiny penis all of your life but think of your family. Joe, you are an intelligent and learned man and you can make up for your diminutive height not by building fake muscles but by using your brain and charm. Hang up the thong, Joe.
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Joe, it’s time to take the foot off the gas pedal. You have to stop living this lie. Trying to make up for your short stature and tiny penis all of your life but think of your family. Joe, you are an intelligent and learned man and you can make up for your diminutive height not by building fake muscles but by using your brain and charm. Hang up the thong, Joe.
irish coach is nothing but a self absorded attention whore, he creates more topics about himself than anyone on getbig. constantly posts old pics of himself, coach would have a hard time out smarting a rock.
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irish coach is nothing but a self absorded attention whore, he creates more topics about himself than anyone on getbig. constantly posts old pics of himself, coach would have a hard time out smarting a rock.
Why the hate dude? He's a body builder posting on a body building site. You have some deep seated issues, just like strawman.
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Why the hate dude? He's a body builder posting on a body building site. You have some deep seated issues, just like strawman.
Just pointing out a self absorbed asshole who needs attention all the time 58 and killing himself for a
5 dollar plastic trophy that is a rocket scientist for you.
Coach is so desperate for attention he had to start a thread on his used f-150 that’s pathetic no one
Gives a fuck about a f-150. The three cars sitting in walter whites garage are worth more than coach
Is. You don’t see him on here every day starting topics about himself
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Just pointing out a self absorbed asshole who needs attention all the time 58 and killing himself for a
5 dollar plastic trophy that is a rocket scientist for you.
Coach is so desperate for attention he had to start a thread on his used f-150 that’s pathetic no one
Gives a fuck about a f-150. The three cars sitting in walter whites garage are worth more than coach
Is. You don’t see him on here every day starting topics about himself
Interesting, video was over 2 years ago, first post about this was about 4 months ago, truck was posted about 3 months ago now this. Not exactly topics about me EVERYDAY. Not sure why you’re bringing WW into this, glad he lives a nice life. I prefer trucks and a home on the beach I’ve had for 17 years but thanks for your concern.
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Not that you won't, but just be careful sir.
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Not that you won't, but just be careful sir.
Appreciate it. My chances of competing again at this point are slim to none. Not because I don’t want to but rather it’s just not a good idea.
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She's a Getbigger, I wouldn't be surprised if she had a touch of troll in her heart.
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Nah, my wife hasn’t been on here or even trolled since we got married in 2008. She’s much smarter and disciplined than I am.
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Come on, man. There's no walking away from steroids completely, at least HRT is a must for old juiceheads. Most would rather die than go clean, just the way it is. Competing and maintaining natural? There is no maintaining off everything and absolutely no competing, unless you want to weigh 50lbs less with 10lbs more fat.
Every word of this is 100% true. I will never go back to heavy off season cycles and especially pre-contest cycles. No need to. I’m good with TRT
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You look fantastic here Joe..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=669153.0;attach=1279935;image)
As someone that really likes you, my suggestion is to walk away from the steroids. Want to continue working out and competing? Sure, why not, but do it all natural. The results won't be as impressive, but we need you alive man.
If you can keep that weight and overall shape as displayed in the picture above, you're all set buddy. There's nothing left to prove Joe.
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That is a great pic of him. Coach, when was that pic taken?
I don't think he has to go natural. There's use and abuse. He should definitely be on TRT. What's wrong with bringing your levels up to high normal? Why put in all that effort when your hormone level is below the optimal levels. Also, Deca is very helpful for those with joint stiffness and even a nephrologist my neighbor goes to is treated with Deca to prevent muscle wasting as he is in stage 4 CKD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17522475/
If there are medicines, hormones, peptides ... anything that can help you improve your quality of life you might as well take advantage of all the advancements in science. I look at someone like Sylvestor Stallone and no way would he have had the quality of life and been able to do all the things in life that he did without the judicious use of steroids and HGH. He could drop dead tomorrow and it still would have been worth it. At least, it would have been worth it to me. Life to me isn't about just trying to exist as long as you can.
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I don't think he has to go natural. There's use and abuse. He should definitely be on TRT. What's wrong with bringing your levels up to high normal? Why put in all that effort when your hormone level is below the optimal levels. Also, Deca is very helpful for those with joint stiffness and even a nephrologist my neighbor goes to is treated with Deca to prevent muscle wasting as he is in stage 4 CKD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17522475/
If there are medicines, hormones, peptides ... anything that can help you improve your quality of life you might as well take advantage of all the advancements in science. I look at someone like Sylvestor Stallone and no way would he have had the quality of life and been able to do all the things in life that he did without the judicious use of steroids and HGH. He could drop dead tomorrow and it still would have been worth it. At least, it would have been worth it to me. Life to me isn't about just trying to exist as long as you can.
Women have been using hormones forever and its now replacement is becoming more commonplace for older men. Men become more sensitive to androgens as they age so dose adjustment is key. Keep an eye on CBC (especially hematocrit) and lipids which are directly impacted by androgens.
I think we are the same age and I'm with you regarding quality of life.
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Good news, Joe!
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Just pointing out a self absorbed asshole who needs attention all the time 58 and killing himself for a
5 dollar plastic trophy that is a rocket scientist for you.
Coach is so desperate for attention he had to start a thread on his used f-150 that’s pathetic no one
Gives a fuck about a f-150. The three cars sitting in walter whites garage are worth more than coach
Is. You don’t see him on here every day starting topics about himself
The ONLY purpose for this kind of hyper negative, insulting post is to ridicule the person.
I dunno, maybe you got a brief laugh or feel you got some weird triumph of "internet revenge".
Granted, Coach has given his fair share of insults and mean spirited banter on getbig.com
BUT, to me Coach ( Joe) seems like a decent man that is dealing with a serious potential illness.
Sadly. there is no "decency or consideration" by the social media "peanut gallery".
He's a trainer and that business often requires a lot of social media interaction.
Having to finally "give up" on serious BB contests , after decades in the game ,is emotionally tough.
I personally applaud Coach for having the balls to be honest about his personal health .
Now , he's faced with the reality of doing the right thing for his health and longevity.
I can relate to his inner struggle with this and wish him a long, healthy life going fwd.
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Fuck these homos Joe train your guts out and go for it.
I feel like a lotta cats in this thread are jealous that they cant make the comittment,and you look better than them by lighht years at your advanced age.
Anyone wanna argue about it...................... .....................scr ew you! LOL ;D
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Fuck these homos Joe train your guts out and go for it.
I feel like a lotta cats in this thread are jealous that they cant make the comittment,and you look better than them by lighht years at your advanced age.
Anyone wanna argue about it...................... .....................scr ew you! LOL ;D
You tell 'em, Wes.
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The ONLY purpose for this kind of hyper negative, insulting post is to ridicule the person.
I dunno, maybe you got a brief laugh or feel you got some weird triumph of "internet revenge".
Granted, Coach has given his fair share of insults and mean spirited banter on getbig.com
BUT, to me Coach ( Joe) seems like a decent man that is dealing with a serious potential illness.
Sadly. there is no "decency or consideration" by the social media "peanut gallery".
He's a trainer and that business often requires a lot of social media interaction.
Having to finally "give up" on serious BB contests , after decades in the game ,is emotionally tough.
I personally applaud Coach for having the balls to be honest about his personal health .
Now , he's faced with the reality of doing the right thing for his health and longevity.
I can relate to his inner struggle with this and wish him a long, healthy life going fwd.
Howard, what BS.
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Howard, what BS.
Huh? ???
Feel free to disagree with me BUT, I was being totally honest and sincere.
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Every word of this is 100% true. I will never go back to heavy off season cycles and especially pre-contest cycles. No need to. I’m good with TRT
I'm good with TRT as well. -Never felt better. Be sure to keep up with your labs, including PSA and hematocrit. As far as your testosterone levels, IMO many doctors want them to be too low which they base on age. Are you using HCG and Arimidex?
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Nah, my wife hasn’t been on here or even trolled since we got married in 2008. She’s much smarter and disciplined than I am.
Sounds like you're married to a great lady ;)
Now that hardcore contest prep regime is behind you, a whole new world will open up.
Trust me , there are more things to spend your time and effort on then you previously considered.
For example, Kal Skalak ( '76 Mr America, '82 Mr U ), got into competitive cycling after he left pro bodybuilding.
https://whywetrain.com/kalman-szkalak/
When one door closes, another one opens.
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I'm good with TRT as well. -Never felt better. Be sure to keep up with your labs, including PSA and hematocrit. As far as your testosterone levels, IMO many doctors want them to be too low which they base on age. Are you using HCG and Arimidex?
What exactly is a doctors prescribed trt? 100/150mg a wk?
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What exactly is a doctors prescribed trt? 100/150mg a wk?
Wouldn't this depend on the doctor, their patient and and what their labs indicate? My doctor currently prescribes me 150 mg a week once a week.
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Wouldn't this depend on the doctor, their patient and and what their labs indicate? My doctor currently prescribes me 150 mg a week once a week.
That’s true. I was just wondering what the general dosages that most likely fall into. I know some bbers would say 400+ mg is trt haha
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That’s true. I was just wondering what the general dosages that most likely fall into. I know some bbers would say 400+ mg is trt haha
For the most part people, bodybuilders or other not, those who think 400 mg or more of test is a usual proper dosage are dead wrong. Their test levels are likely through the roof. On my conservative dose, my free test has occasionally hit or gone over 1,000. The range of total testosterone for people in my age group is anywhere from 156 - 819 At this point, I only do labs twice a year.
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For the most part people, bodybuilders or other not, those who think 400 mg or more of test is a usual proper dosage are dead wrong. Their test levels are likely through the roof. On my conservative dose, my free test has occasionally hit or gone over 1,000. The range of total testosterone for people in my age group is anywhere from 156 - 819 At this point, I only do labs twice a year.
WOw. THe last time i was checked I was at the low end of 140. I cannot have HRT right now as my physicians have said so. They explained it to me but I can't think of exactly what they said. I know. I've made mistakes in the post but I am too tire =d to correct them right now. Tired.
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Sounds like you're married to a great lady ;)
Now that hardcore contest prep regime is behind you, a whole new world will open up.
Trust me , there are more things to spend your time and effort on then you previously considered.
For example, Kal Skalak ( '76 Mr America, '82 Mr U ), got into competitive cycling after he left pro bodybuilding.
https://whywetrain.com/kalman-szkalak/
When one door closes, another one opens.
When is your door going to open, Howard? When are you going to find some purpose to your life besides trolling GetBig telling fart jokes
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For the most part people, bodybuilders or other not, those who think 400 mg or more of test is a usual proper dosage are dead wrong. Their test levels are likely through the roof. On my conservative dose, my free test has occasionally hit or gone over 1,000. The range of total testosterone for people in my age group is anywhere from 156 - 819 At this point, I only do labs twice a year.
I think you need to take another look at your blood test. Free Test is the unbounded testosterone and it is what really counts and is a completely different reading than your total Test, which is just how much testosterone you have in your body most of it which is bounded by SHBG.
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Life's too short to either go hard at your age or go natural. TRT and HGH at HRT levels will give you a good quality of life and enough recovery to train as you age, you can't compete but as we age we have nothing left to prove. Leave that for young guys with time to recover on their side.
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When is your door going to open, Howard? When are you going to find some purpose to your life besides trolling GetBig telling fart jokes
After my lackluster , pathetic bodybuilding days , I found an even more useless activity .
If you guys feel dumb after reading my posts, imagine how retarded I feel for writing them.
My final request will be for any remaining get-biggers to line up and piss on my grave.
Then someone can post a video of the piss line with the thread title of :"Howard; pissed off in life, pissed on in death"
My tombstone inscription will say :
"Going to heaven sucks, because Howard went there." :o
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WOw. THe last time i was checked I was at the low end of 140. I cannot have HRT right now as my physicians have said so. They explained it to me but I can't think of exactly what they said. I know. I've made mistakes in the post but I am too tire =d to correct them right now. Tired.
I am interested to know what your doctor's reasoning is. 140 is ridiculously low. It's no wonder you're tired. Low T, is diagnosed when levels fall below 300 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). A normal range is typically 300 to 1,000 ng/dL. Even for someone of my advanced age 140 is off the chart low. The range for males 70-79 is 156–819.
The American Urology Association (AUA) identifies low blood testosterone (Low-T) as less than 300 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL) on two tests obtained in the morning. Several symptoms or conditions may accompany TD:
Low sex drive
Fatigue
Reduced lean muscle mass
Irritability
Erectile dysfunction
Depression
There are other health issues which can also cause these symptoms. There also serious health conditions which may be caused because of low testosterone.
Low T levels in men may increase their risk of developing coronary artery disease (CAD), metabolic syndrome, and type 2 diabetes. Reduced T levels in men with congestive heart failure (CHF) portends a poor prognosis and is associated with increased mortality.
Decreases in testosterone can lead to physical changes including the following:
increased body fat.
decreased strength/mass of muscles.
fragile bones.
decreased body hair.
swelling/tenderness in the breast tissue.
hot flashes.
increased fatigue.
effects on cholesterol metabolism.
Over the past several years since the use of Testosterone Therapy has increased in men, there have been studies that have shown that men who take Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) are more likely to have an increased risk of Heart Attack. However, this is false.
If you haven't seen an endocrinologist yet, I highly recommend you do. My Urologist knows a little about HRT as does my primary care physician, but that's not what they specialize in.
Because I consistently had high PSA numbers, there was a concern about TRT and prostate cancer. For that reason my doctor checked my PSA several times a year. TRT does not cause prostate cancer, but once you have cancer it may accelerate it's advancement. Prostate cancer is usually slow growing. It is also very common, especially in older men.
Had I not been on TRT and had I not had frequent lab work, my prostate cancer would likely not have been been detected in a very early stage. The bottom line is that being on TRT may have saved my life. My PSA remains undetectable a decade after the prostatectomy. Many of the men in the prostate cancer group I joined, didn't find out they had it until it was too late to eradicate it because it had metastasized. Honestly, I felt very lucky to have made the choices I did.
Doctors practice medicine...this means they don't know everything. Your health should be something you are in control of. There's nothing wrong with getting more than one medical opinion.
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WOw. THe last time i was checked I was at the low end of 140. I cannot have HRT right now as my physicians have said so. They explained it to me but I can't think of exactly what they said. I know. I've made mistakes in the post but I am too tire =d to correct them right now. Tired.
At this point you may as well, get on the estrogen, grow your hair out, buy a bra and snip your tally-wacker
Change your ID name to Scarlett and post a thong pic on get big with a WYHI poll.
Hope this helps.
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WOw. THe last time i was checked I was at the low end of 140. I cannot have HRT right now as my physicians have said so. They explained it to me but I can't think of exactly what they said. I know. I've made mistakes in the post but I am too tire =d to correct them right now. Tired.
If I were you I'd look into HRT more and get clarification from your doctors. I don't know what health issues you have but chances are there's nothing that would absolutely disqualify you from treatment, at least a moderate dose of transdermal gel.
A friend of mine had levels pretty much identical to yours at age 50 and docs said he needed immediate intervention, they wondered how on earth he even had the energy to go to work :D So they double dosed the gel immediately, he later went on the Test Undecanoate shots that you only take every couple of months.
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If I were you I'd look into HRT more and get clarification from your doctors. I don't know what health issues you have but chances are there's nothing that would absolutely disqualify you from treatment, at least a moderate dose of transdermal gel.
A friend of mine had levels pretty much identical to yours at age 50 and docs said he needed immediate intervention, they wondered how on earth he even had the energy to go to work :D So they double dosed the gel immediately, he later went on the Test Undecanoate shots that you only take every couple of months.
Ok? But how does a dog with snipped nuts function so well without TRT?
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About 50% of total testosterones is bound to SHBG, most of the rest is bound to albumin, leaving about 1 to 3% free.
Albumin bound testosterone is weakly bound and is thought to be bioavailable to an extent. Some blood tests will show bioavailable as well as total and free.
Ok, but how does a dog with snipped nuts live a long, healthy life?
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About 50% of total testosterones is bound to SHBG, most of the rest is bound to albumin, leaving about 1 to 3% free.
Albumin bound testosterone is weakly bound and is thought to be bioavailable to an extent. Some blood tests will show bioavailable as well as total and free.
SHBG itself might be beneficial and may enhance androgen action too. Too lazy to find the paper I saw a while back discussing this.
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Too lazy to find the paper I saw a while back discussing this.
My dog seems pretty lazy, but he got his nuts snipped.
What's my excuse?
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About 50% of total testosterones is bound to SHBG, most of the rest is bound to albumin, leaving about 1 to 3% free.
Albumin bound testosterone is weakly bound and is thought to be bioavailable to an extent. Some blood tests will show bioavailable as well as total and free.
Yes, that is more accurate. When I get tested I always get both my Total and Free test measured.
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Ok? But how does a dog with snipped nuts function so well without TRT?
Snipped nuts is all the more reason to be taking testosterone....unless they were snipped because you believe you were born with the wrong gender.
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Ok, but how does a dog with snipped nuts live a long, healthy life?
Spaying and neutering dogs can increase health and lifespan. This is probably because they stay in their own yards where it is safer.
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My dog seems pretty lazy, but he got his nuts snipped.
What's my excuse?
You are just plain lazy....no excuse. ;)
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Yes, that is more accurate. When I get tested I always get both my Total and Free test measured.
As many times as I've asked him to, my urologist never includes free test in my labs. Pisses me off.
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Spaying and neutering dogs can increase health and lifespan. This is probably because they stay in their own yards where it is safer.
THIS is why I'll outlive every getbigger...except Wes ;D
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As many times as I've asked him to, my urologist never includes free test in my labs. Pisses me off.
Go to privatemdlabs.com. You can get your own tests done for 50-75 usually.
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As many times as I've asked him to, my urologist never includes free test in my labs. Pisses me off.
No free test test. Costs money.
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THIS is why I'll outlive every getbigger...except Wes ;D
My oldest sister once said that I'm not going to outlive everyone, it just seems that way because I'm such a boring individual.
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Ok, but how does a dog with snipped nuts live a long, healthy life?
Because a dog’s physical and cognitive demands are far less than those of a human’s - except for yours.
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As many times as I've asked him to, my urologist never includes free test in my labs. Pisses me off.
You're the boss. He works for you. When I asked my doctor that I wanted an igf test included in my blood test he said that it was not necessary. I said that I wanted it done and he again said he didn't see the purpose and it seems like a needless expense. I just told him that he's not paying for it, I want it, it's no skin off his nose, just do it. I then explained to him that I got my igf tested using an online service and it was way low. I am trying a SARM that is supposed to stimulate igf production and I what to see if it works.
My doctor initially didn't do a free Test but just the total Test. When I asked him that isn't the Free Test the important reading as it is the Test that counts he did agree and included it in.
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Because a dog’s physical and cognitive demands are far less than those of a human’s - except for yours.
We now have a viable explanation for my retarded posts and numerous failed marriages. :D
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We now have a viable explanation for my retarded posts and numerous failed marriages. :D
You’re awfully polite and submissive in threads in which you CANNOT alter or delete posts you don’t like from people you don’t like.
How genuinely transparent…
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You're the boss. He works for you. When I asked my doctor that I wanted an igf test included in my blood test he said that it was not necessary. I said that I wanted it done and he again said he didn't see the purpose and it seems like a needless expense. I just told him that he's not paying for it, I want it, it's no skin off his nose, just do it. I then explained to him that I got my igf tested using an online service and it was way low. I am trying a SARM that is supposed to stimulate igf production and I what to see if it works.
My doctor initially didn't do a free Test but just the total Test. When I asked him that isn't the Free Test the important reading as it is the Test that counts he did agree and included it in.
Good for you, Pellius. You are the customer and should get what you want.
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irish coach is nothing but a self absorded attention whore, he creates more topics about himself than anyone on getbig. constantly posts old pics of himself, coach would have a hard time out smarting a rock.
This guy had a stroke and refused to go to the ER because he's "stubborn"??
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This guy had a stroke and refused to go to the ER because he's downsy.
Yes.
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You're the boss. He works for you. When I asked my doctor that I wanted an igf test included in my blood test he said that it was not necessary. I said that I wanted it done and he again said he didn't see the purpose and it seems like a needless expense. I just told him that he's not paying for it, I want it, it's no skin off his nose, just do it. I then explained to him that I got my igf tested using an online service and it was way low. I am trying a SARM that is supposed to stimulate igf production and I what to see if it works.
My doctor initially didn't do a free Test but just the total Test. When I asked him that isn't the Free Test the important reading as it is the Test that counts he did agree and included it in.
I've been pleasantly surprised at my PCP's openness to testing anything I ask for. I've been with him a long time so he knows how long I've worked in the medical industry and respects my knowledge. I even sent him a sample hormone panel and he found codes to get each test reimbursed. I do have to remind him at times to include things like e2 vs just total e and to add bio free. These poor guys see tons of patients and forget sometime. I now use the portal to send lists of tests I feel I "need".
Is your doc prescribing you trt?
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Because a dog’s physical and cognitive demands are far less than those of a human’s - except for yours.
LMAO!
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I've been pleasantly surprised at my PCP's openness to testing anything I ask for. I've been with him a long time so he knows how long I've worked in the medical industry and respects my knowledge. I even sent him a sample hormone panel and he found codes to get each test reimbursed. I do have to remind him at times to include things like e2 vs just total e and to add bio free. These poor guys see tons of patients and forget sometime. I now use the portal to send lists of tests I feel I "need".
Is your doc prescribing you trt?
Yes.
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This guy had a stroke and refused to go to the ER because he's "stubborn"??
Coach was reducing medical costs for America.
Selfless behavior all Getbiggers can learn from.
Greater than Tony Huge.
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This guy had a stroke and refused to go to the ER because he's "stubborn"??
He's doing it for us.
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He's doing it for us.
In no way, shape or form do I or would I ever wish harm on Coach or anyone else here save for TK1. That being said, Coach would go down as the get big GOAT if he had "died for you bitches" engraved on his tombstone. Let's hope it's decades down the road.
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Because a dog’s physical and cognitive demands are far less than those of a human’s - except for yours.
Great reply
He’s one stupid fuck
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Ok? But how does a dog with snipped nuts function so well without TRT?
Yeah, a dog is not a Human..dogs build testosteron without balls. They can build Testosteron in there Kidneys. So even after 6 beers i am still smarter than you.. maybe youre 6. wife wasn't wrong and you are just stupid.
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You’re awfully polite and submissive in threads in which you CANNOT alter or delete posts you don’t like from people you don’t like.
How genuinely transparent…
My mom raised me to always be polite...even to assholes ;)
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My mom raised me to always be polite...even to assholes ;)
You have no choice, that is what i think..
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Yeah, a dog is not a Human..dogs build testosteron without balls. They can build Testosteron in there Kidneys. So even after 6 beers i am still smarter than you.. maybe youre 6. wife wasn't wrong and you are just stupid.
I'm not too "book smart" and may not know much.
But I know when someone is trying to make fun of me. :'(
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In no way, shape or form do I or would I ever wish harm on Coach or anyone else here save for TK1. That being said, Coach would go down as the get big GOAT if he had "died for you bitches" engraved on his tombstone. Let's hope it's decades down the road.
With all due modesty, I think a posted video of (Howard) me sawing a tree that falls and kills me would be the greatest thing ever posted on getbig.com. Imagine the virtual party and cheers that would result.
Ron and Kown could sell T-shirts with : Get Big Oct 2020 ( front) , Howard's tree falling video ( back)
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With all due modesty, I think a posted video of (Howard) me sawing a tree that falls and kills me would be the greatest thing ever posted on getbig.com. Imagine the virtual party and cheers that would result.
Ron and Kown could sell T-shirts with : Get Big Oct 2020 ( front) , Howard's tree falling video ( back)
Howard: Taking Self Deprecation To A Whole New Level
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My mom raised me to always be polite...even to assholes ;)
By your own pathetic admission, she also "told you" to vote for Hillary.
How'd that brilliant advice work out?