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A full keto super strict unlimited fat dont really work for me for energy
High fat high protien works much and lowish carbs work better for energy
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The anabolic diet. Carb up 2 days a week.
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The anabolic diet. Carb up 2 days a week.
Chips and dip twice a week.
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Keto is yet another dietary fad to mask the concept that if you burn more calories than you eat you'll lose weight. We are omnivorous and can stay alive eating fats/proteins or carbs.
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Daddy Waddy hasn't been doing keto.
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Sprinkle some meth on some kale chips, beer and baking soda, don't forget the beans for energy, Jethro Tull fruit punches and ice cream. ::)
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The anabolic diet. Carb up 2 days a week.
Did my carb up on the weekends. It was fun to stuff pancakes at IHOP or eat an entire box of Lucky Charms. Could barely function because of the insulin crash.
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after decades of eating grilled protein, eggs, tuna cans......
I swear I can't stomach anything but fats/carbs together anymore...
way too many decades of chewing on grilled chicken breasts and egg farts :-(
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Did my carb up on the weekends. It was fun to stuff pancakes at IHOP or eat an entire box of Lucky Charms. Could barely function because of the insulin crash.
I hated that diet. I thought I was going to go insane at the end of the no carb days and lived to refuel with carbs. Pizza, beer, ice cream....yummy.
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after decades of eating grilled protein, eggs, tuna cans......
I swear I can't stomach anything but fats/carbs together anymore...
way too many decades of chewing on grilled chicken breasts and egg farts :-(
Tuna cans = too much iron in diet.
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Tuna cans = too much iron in diet.
LOL
Hemme Iron
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Coffee black one to two cups
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I hated that diet. I thought I was going to go insane at the end of the no carb days and lived to refuel with carbs. Pizza, beer, ice cream....yummy.
The concept of high carb days seems to escape you. Carb up does not mean pizza and ice cream. Whoever told you that lied to you.
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I like the way I feel on keto. Focused, measured, no energy for people's BS...I feel like a predator. then I slip up and eat carb shit...then go back to keto and remember how much I like it.....
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The concept of high carb days seems to escape you. Carb up does not mean pizza and ice cream. Whoever told you that lied to you.
I was joking. Diets are stupid anyway.
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A calorie is a calorie.
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A calorie is a calorie.
idk if you were being sarcastic, but.... im down 25lbs in two months, strong as ever, leaner by the week blah blah blah... and im eating ice cream every day, fast food couple times per week, waffles, doritos, fruit, cereal, gummie bears, the rest is clean food... ill either eat 1-2 meals per day or eat 4... always end up in a deficit for the week... im doing my calories weekly not daily this time... seems to be working great so far... first time ever that i dont crave a cheat day.
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Sadly I eat what every I want even beer. I'm lean because of my workouts but damn I would look a lot better 10lbs lighter.
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idk if you were being sarcastic, but.... im down 25lbs in two months, strong as ever, leaner by the week blah blah blah... and im eating ice cream every day, fast food couple times per week, waffles, doritos, fruit, cereal, gummie bears, the rest is clean food... ill either eat 1-2 meals per day or eat 4... always end up in a deficit for the week... im doing my calories weekly not daily this time... seems to be working great so far... first time ever that i dont crave a cheat day.
What do you define as "clean food"? A calorie is a calorie. Exercise is the key. You can have 2 slices of pizza instead of 4. You can have 10 chicken wings instead of 20. Activity is the key.
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What do you define as "clean food"? A calorie is a calorie. Exercise is the key. You can have 2 slices of pizza instead of 4. You can have 10 chicken wings instead of 20. Activity is the key.
^This. How hard can this be for people to understand? Always looking for that magic diet...
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Sadly I eat what every I want even beer. I'm lean because of my workouts but damn I would look a lot better 10lbs lighter.
We all get like that after a while oldtimer. It's not that we lack discipline (fuck- I work out 5 days a week and have been doing so for years). We just don't give a shit after a while if our abs are razor defined, haha. There is such a thing as a healthy weight and 10 pounds means nothing.
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The anabolic diet. Carb up 2 days a week.
This, this is what I do
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grass cuttings and lite beer
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^This. How hard can this be for people to understand? Always looking for that magic diet...
But you can 100% eat MORE clean food macros vs calories from twinkies and still lose weight
Eventually on a low cal diet metabolism crashes, hit a plateau and nothing you can do to get lean from that point vs eating clean, cycling calories
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idk if you were being sarcastic, but.... im down 25lbs in two months, strong as ever, leaner by the week blah blah blah... and im eating ice cream every day, fast food couple times per week, waffles, doritos, fruit, cereal, gummie bears, the rest is clean food... ill either eat 1-2 meals per day or eat 4... always end up in a deficit for the week... im doing my calories weekly not daily this time... seems to be working great so far... first time ever that i dont crave a cheat day.
Be careful tatoo. All that may work for you now, but you are well on your way to insulin resistance, fatty liver, pancreatic cancer, etc. Your body can take only so much excess glucose and excess insulin for only so long before it starts falling apart, no matter how much you exercise or how lean you might be.
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Eric Charles Westman, MD
Associate Professor of Medicine
Dr. Westman is an Associate Professor of Medicine at Duke University. He is Board Certified in Obesity Medicine and Internal Medicine, and founded the Duke Keto Medicine Clinic with Dr. William S. Yancy Jr. in 2006 after 8 years of clinical research regarding low carbohydrate ketogenic diets.
https://medicine.duke.edu/faculty/eric-charles-westman-md
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I did the 5/2 Anabolic Diet back in 1998.
It worked amazingly well. Started out fat, gained about 20lbs on the scale while getting very lean - in about 3 months. It was tough but the weekends were enjoyable.
Anyone remember what the Body Opus diet entailed?
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Anyone remember what the Body Opus diet entailed?
tons of roid's + ultimate orange?...lol
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But you can 100% eat MORE clean food macros vs calories from twinkies and still lose weight
Eventually on a low cal diet metabolism crashes, hit a plateau and nothing you can do to get lean from that point vs eating clean, cycling calories
I'm not sure where this phrase "clean food" comes from. If you mean not heavily processed and free from artificial ingredients then I suppose that is "clean". But lots of unprocessed natural foods have deadly ingredients as well. Green leafy vegetables can load your system up with oxalic acid- and that is not a good thing. Lots of lean red meat will overload your kidneys with decomposition waste products and your urine will become saturated with uric acid - and that is a very bad thing.
And I'm also not sure what you mean by eating "100%" more? You mean by volume? Sure- a ton of non starchy vegetables will fill you up with a much lower calorie load than a ton of high sugar, high fat food. But if you calculate calories, that's the only important thing.
Personally I can't stand eating lots of vegetables- it makes me sick. To lose weight I just calorie count.
Everything in moderation and you'll achieve a body weight that is surprisingly stable. We aren't talking paper thin skin - just no huge gut.
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tons of roid's + ultimate orange?...lol
The original ultimate orange felt like I was on adrenaline 24/7. The ephedrine in that concoction was the shit, lol
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The original ultimate orange felt like I was on adrenaline 24/7. The ephedrine in that concoction was the shit, lol
The Original Pre-Workout. I would drink down an U.O., and pop a ephedrine tab 30 mins before workout. Crazy energy/strength from it. (Contraction I guess).
(1990ish or so I'm guessing)
Buy a bottle of 25 mg ephedrine tabs (white cross) for 5 bucks at Cumberland Farms counter. Good ole days.
Meth-heads like Johnny ruined it for everyone else.
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The original ultimate orange felt like I was on adrenaline 24/7. The ephedrine in that concoction was the shit, lol
The best pre workout supplement ever!
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The original ultimate orange felt like I was on adrenaline 24/7. The ephedrine in that concoction was the shit, lol
LOL no doubt... God only knows what else was actually in there...
What I felt like taking that stuff..
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/f6/e9/31f6e9d6c9587fc03e40ee1b99e8e2a4.gif)
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I'm not sure where this phrase "clean food" comes from. If you mean not heavily processed and free from artificial ingredients then I suppose that is "clean". But lots of unprocessed natural foods have deadly ingredients as well. Green leafy vegetables can load your system up with oxalic acid- and that is not a good thing. Lots of lean red meat will overload your kidneys with decomposition waste products and your urine will become saturated with uric acid - and that is a very bad thing.
And I'm also not sure what you mean by eating "100%" more? You mean by volume? Sure- a ton of non starchy vegetables will fill you up with a much lower calorie load than a ton of high sugar, high fat food. But if you calculate calories, that's the only important thing.
Personally I can't stand eating lots of vegetables- it makes me sick. To lose weight I just calorie count.
Everything in moderation and you'll achieve a body weight that is surprisingly stable. We aren't talking paper thin skin - just no huge gut.
I absolutely get what you're saying and would agree this would apply to someone at 35% body fat looking to lose weight.
But to get lean..... super lean
heck even anywhere near 10% you are not doing IIFYM and counting calories.
There's a reason IFBB pro BB's aren't just "eating under maintenance" IIFYM style for 12-16 weeks and instead nauseously suck down boiled chicken and broccoli 6-8x a day endlessly
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82189.0;attach=88011;image)
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I absolutely get what you're saying and would agree this would apply to someone at 35% body fat looking to lose weight.
But to get lean..... super lean
heck even anywhere near 10% you are not doing IIFYM and counting calories.
There's a reason IFBB pro BB's aren't just "eating under maintenance" IIFYM style for 12-16 weeks and instead nauseously suck down boiled chicken and broccoli 6-8x a day endlessly
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82189.0;attach=88011;image)
It's called steroids. The finishing touch... ::) It's about being consistent. Take copious amount of steroids and burn more calories than you take in.
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Carb up days sound nice but i dont think they help.
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I did the 5/2 Anabolic Diet back in 1998.
It worked amazingly well. Started out fat, gained about 20lbs on the scale while getting very lean - in about 3 months. It was tough but the weekends were enjoyable.
Maybe for sedentary fat fucks it works well, but not if you're working out hard 5 days/wk and trying to gain muscle.
I was on this diet twice for 6 months each time... followed it to a T. The reason I tried it 2nd time it because I thought I was doing something wrong the 1st time.
Leg day was very difficult. Not enough energy to complete the workout. Felt like I was going to die towards the end of the workout and afterwards. Ppl in the gym told me I looked sick.
The brain, liver and muscles preferred source of fuel is glucose... period.
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Maybe for sedentary fat fucks it works well, but not if you're working out hard 5 days/wk and trying to gain muscle.
I was on this diet twice for 6 months each time... followed it to a T. The reason I tried it 2nd time it because I thought I was doing something wrong the 1st time.
Leg day was very difficult. Not enough energy to complete the workout. Felt like I was going to die towards the end of the workout and afterwards. Ppl in the gym told me I looked sick.
The brain, liver and muscles preferred source of fuel is glucose... period.
see that sounds nice but if ur 16 percent fat its hard to drop fat with 200 carbs a day and 80g fat
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I absolutely get what you're saying and would agree this would apply to someone at 35% body fat looking to lose weight.
But to get lean..... super lean
heck even anywhere near 10% you are not doing IIFYM and counting calories.
There's a reason IFBB pro BB's aren't just "eating under maintenance" IIFYM style for 12-16 weeks and instead nauseously suck down boiled chicken and broccoli 6-8x a day endlessly
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82189.0;attach=88011;image)
Nothing about normal diets applies when you are on steroids and/or HGH.
" The injectable 17 beta-esters, such as nandrolone phenylpropionate, nandrolone decanoate and methenolone oenanthate exert a strong anabolic action for several weeks, amounting to 2-2.50 g nitrogen/day, which corresponds to a daily gain of 12-15 g protein or 60-75 g lean body mass."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8256449/
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Maybe for sedentary fat fucks it works well, but not if you're working out hard 5 days/wk and trying to gain muscle.
I was on this diet twice for 6 months each time... followed it to a T. The reason I tried it 2nd time it because I thought I was doing something wrong the 1st time.
Leg day was very difficult. Not enough energy to complete the workout. Felt like I was going to die towards the end of the workout and afterwards. Ppl in the gym told me I looked sick.
The brain, liver and muscles preferred source of fuel is glucose... period.
My story was that I had been off cycle for a few months, only done Dianabol at that point. I was about 200lbs, maybe 15% bodyfat. I decided to do a bb show, got on Dianabol again and started the Anabolic Diet. Monday through friday I ate fat and protein without counting anything, an hour of cardio a day. Weekends I loaded up on carbs, would gain about 20lbs from saturday morning to sunday night. Two weeks out from the show I was 220lbs and lean. Last week I dehydrated a lot, weighed in at 202lbs, so a couple of pounds heavier than the starting point.
It worked very well. Strength was good but I was very hungry during the week and had some severe hypoglycemic episodes a few times. Had I been on a "real" cycle I think would've had even better results. By real cycle I mean plenty of test and tren and not just orals. GH during the week and some Lantus and Humalog on the carb-ups.
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My story was that I had been off cycle for a few months, only done Dianabol at that point. I was about 200lbs, maybe 15% bodyfat. I decided to do a bb show, got on Dianabol again and started the Anabolic Diet. Monday through friday I ate fat and protein without counting anything, an hour of cardio a day. Weekends I loaded up on carbs, would gain about 20lbs from saturday morning to sunday night. Two weeks out from the show I was 220lbs and lean. Last week I dehydrated a lot, weighed in at 202lbs, so a couple of pounds heavier than the starting point.
It worked very well. Strength was good but I was very hungry during the week and had some severe hypoglycemic episodes a few times. Had I been on a "real" cycle I think would've had even better results. By real cycle I mean plenty of test and tren and not just orals. GH during the week and some Lantus and Humalog on the carb-ups.
Is going up and down 20lbs like a yo-yo good for you?
When you're on d-bol and all that other stuff I'm sure the diet works pretty well. It's the way they dieted in the 70's and 80's, but without the drugs they would've looked like shit.
For a natty?... it sucks. Sure you can get leaner, but you'll be flat as hell during the week with little energy train hard. On carb up days you feel like sleeping all day.
This is a yo-yo diet that plays havoc with your insulin levels and your mood. No thanks.
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Is going up and down 20lbs like a yo-yo good for you?
When you're on d-bol and all that other stuff I'm sure the diet works pretty well. It's the way they dieted in the 70's and 80's, but without the drugs they would've looked like shit.
For a natty?... it sucks. Sure you can get leaner, but you'll be flat as hell during the week with little energy train hard. On carb up days you feel like sleeping all day.
This is a yo-yo diet that plays havoc with your insulin levels and your mood. No thanks.
Probably not the healthiest but there might be an anabolic effect to the "cell swelling" from the glycogen supercompensation. That was the whole premise behind the Anabolic Diet. GH boost from the low carbs which is muscle sparing and lipolytic. Anabolism from the insulin/glycogen rebound. Remember, this diet was supposed to help the WBF pros to preserve size as they were forced to stop the anabolics due to testing. The ones who got fat, like Mike Quinn, DiPasquale said were not following the diet as laid out.
Mauro DiPasquale actually advocated switching to a continuous fat/protein diet after doing the 5/2 diet for shows, except around each workout when you were supposed to pound the carbs. Kind of like a Milos Sarcev regimen.
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Is going up and down 20lbs like a yo-yo good for you?
When you're on d-bol and all that other stuff I'm sure the diet works pretty well. It's the way they dieted in the 70's and 80's, but without the drugs they would've looked like shit.
For a natty?... it sucks. Sure you can get leaner, but you'll be flat as hell during the week with little energy train hard. On carb up days you feel like sleeping all day.
This is a yo-yo diet that plays havoc with your insulin levels and your mood. No thanks.
So then what would you suggest as the right way for a natural or at least someone on HRT trying to diet down?
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So then what would you suggest as the right way for a natural or at least someone on HRT trying to diet down?
To have fuller muscles, be lean and still be able to train hard?... 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fats. It's not rocket science.
Trying to gain size?... keep same ratio, but increase total daily calorie intake to 300-500 above maintenance. What is maintenance?... you'll have to figure that out for yourself.
Been training for 35+ years and tried many different diets during that time, but I always go back to this ratio because it works the best.
For non-competitive lifters (which 99% of us are on here), cardio is really not necessary as long as you stay disciplined about what goes into your mouth.
People need to stop watching YT diet/training guru vids and stop listening to some skinny-fat MD/PhD tell you what to do. Lots of ppl today seems to need their hand held... sad.
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Probably not the healthiest but there might be an anabolic effect to the "cell swelling" from the glycogen supercompensation. That was the whole premise behind the Anabolic Diet. GH boost from the low carbs which is muscle sparing and lipolytic. Anabolism from the insulin/glycogen rebound. Remember, this diet was supposed to help the WBF pros to preserve size as they were forced to stop the anabolics due to testing. The ones who got fat, like Mike Quinn, DiPasquale said were not following the diet as laid out.
Those WBF guys came off drugs and their endocrine systems crashed. NO diet in the world could've helped them at that point.
I followed the diet exactly for 6 months. I was natty then. It did not deliver the results the good Dr. promised. What often looks great on paper or in theory does not always work in the real world.
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To have fuller muscles, be lean and still be able to train hard?... 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fats. It's not rocket science.
Trying to gain size?... keep same ratio, but increase total daily calorie intake to 300-500 above maintenance. What is maintenance?... you'll have to figure that out for yourself.
Been training for 35+ years and tried many different diets during that time, but I always go back to this ratio because it works the best.
For non-competitive lifters (which 99% of us are on here), cardio is really not necessary as long as you stay disciplined about what goes into your mouth.
People need to stop watching YT diet/training guru vids and stop listening to some skinny-fat MD/PhD tell you what to do. Lots of ppl today seems to need their hand held... sad.
Agreed but then the "watch what goes in your mouth" isnt IIFYM (a calorie is a calorie) that this thread states but strict 40/40/20 clean eating no?
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Agreed but then the "watch what goes in your mouth" isnt IIFYM (a calorie is a calorie) that this thread states but strict 40/40/20 clean eating no?
Semantics. However you want to interpret it. I do whatever works for me based on my past experience.
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Is going up and down 20lbs like a yo-yo good for you?
When you're on d-bol and all that other stuff I'm sure the diet works pretty well. It's the way they dieted in the 70's and 80's, but without the drugs they would've looked like shit.
For a natty?... it sucks. Sure you can get leaner, but you'll be flat as hell during the week with little energy train hard. On carb up days you feel like sleeping all day.
This is a yo-yo diet that plays havoc with your insulin levels and your mood. No thanks.
The 5/2 was horrible for me so I switched to 3/1. Night and day.
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The 5/2 was horrible for me so I switched to 3/1. Night and day.
Yes, def feels better, but Dr Mauro said you would never go into in ketosis on that schedule.
After a couple months I varied it a bit and tried a 6/1. I stayed in ketosis (urine strips), but I felt totally blitzed all week.
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The Original Pre-Workout. I would drink down an U.O., and pop a ephedrine tab 30 mins before workout. Crazy energy/strength from it. (Contraction I guess).
(1990ish or so I'm guessing)
Buy a bottle of 25 mg ephedrine tabs (white cross) for 5 bucks at Cumberland Farms counter. Good ole days.
Meth-heads like Johnny ruined it for everyone else.
But...is this healthy?
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The Original Pre-Workout. I would drink down an U.O., and pop a ephedrine tab 30 mins before workout. Crazy energy/strength from it. (Contraction I guess).
(1990ish or so I'm guessing)
Buy a bottle of 25 mg ephedrine tabs (white cross) for 5 bucks at Cumberland Farms counter. Good ole days.
Meth-heads like Johnny ruined it for everyone else.
Also Dymetradine 25. I think they were only $10 for 100 tabs. Practically everyone in gym was hooked on those in the early/mid 90's. My training partner abused it and he had heart problems later in life. I was always afraid of that stuff. I didn't even use caffeine for a pre-workout booster until around 2003.
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Also Dymetradine 25. I think they were only $10 for 100 tabs. Practically everyone in gym was hooked on those in the early/mid 90's. My training partner abused it and he had heart problems later in life. I was always afraid of that stuff. I didn't even use caffeine for a pre-workout booster until around 2003.
I had forgotten all about them. I used to take them pre-workout and my heart would be racing.
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You guys are taking all kinds of horrible supplements, they are bad for your health, smh
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You guys are taking all kinds of horrible supplements, they are bad for your health, smh
25 years ago.
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25 years ago.
Tbh, I was taking certain supplements too, but I had to stop (I'm not so young anymore, I'm 43)
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I did the 5/2 Anabolic Diet back in 1998.
It worked amazingly well. Started out fat, gained about 20lbs on the scale while getting very lean - in about 3 months. It was tough but the weekends were enjoyable.
Anyone remember what the Body Opus diet entailed?
I have the book and have read it a few times:
in summary the book primary focus is help someone maintain a sub 8% BF look year around
you are pretty much on keto (low carb) then blow out all your glycogen reserves (super deplete) then carb up. you would do a deplete workout etc etc
also a good portion of the book goes over different drugs
great read.
I love keto due to my body type.
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Also Dymetradine 25. I think they were only $10 for 100 tabs. Practically everyone in gym was hooked on those in the early/mid 90's. My training partner abused it and he had heart problems later in life. I was always afraid of that stuff. I didn't even use caffeine for a pre-workout booster until around 2003.
ECA stacks used to power my workouts like crazy. I used to get a huge bump in strength and stamina from taking it. But after a while i could tell it was taking a toll on me, i don't use any stimulants anymore, maybe drink a cup or two of coffee in the morning.
Ephedra and Ephedrine, man i've taken so much of that stuff. Ephedra was like tuning your heart into a speed bag, not very good for you. :D
I used to take Bronkaid and Caffeine 3 times a day for extended periods of time. No thanks anymore.
Provigil is good too, but mainly because it's an appetite suppressant and gives you insane focus. Just have to take small doses, it has a long half life. When i worked 16 hour shifts in the oil field, i took Provi every morning, gives you a good kick in the ass and doesn't drop you or make you feel cracked out like other stimulants.
Keto never was good for me, it made me feel like shit and my workouts suffered. There is absolutely no reason for the average lifter to suffer in order to get lean. Just decrease your calories slowly and you will get there. It is very effective at dropping fat, but unless you are a real bodybuilder, i'll pass.
Intermittent fasting is a great choice, but again you have to want to go through this lifestyle, not something i recommend.
A calorie is a calorie as far as a unit of measure, but you won't see me eating cupcakes and twinkies. I've learned to enjoy healthy food and would rather eat a nice ribeye steak than pizza. You can get lean eating junk food, as long as your calories are severely restricted. Just makes more sense to eat healthy food, lots of veggies, fruits, beans and lentils. Plus i don't want to be a diabetic, so i follow a strict diet; however if i want to go out to eat and chow on some Mexican food or Italian, i'll do it once a week or so.
Leanest i've ever been was after 4 months of intermittent fasting, even dropped my calories down to 1200 a day for 6 weeks. I was ripped as hell, had veins in my abs and looked chiseled. My face looked 10 years younger, i lost so much weight people thought i was sick. Once i upped to calories again and ate somewhat normally, i looked amazing, but i gained back 10 pounds very quickly.
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You guys have no clue what to put in your mouths
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You guys have no clue what to put in your mouths
Have you been introduced to Shizzo yet?
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Have you been introduced to Shizzo yet?
:D
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You guys have no clue what to put in your mouths
No one is interested in your dicksucking exploits, shitty gimmick.