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Title: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 26, 2020, 11:06:43 AM
VINCE'S CORNER:
STYLES OF TRAINING EFFORT.
The Iron Guru, Vince Gironda, has incorporated different styles of training throughout his career. Lights weights with high reps, Heavy weights with Low reps, Heavy weights with high reps and so on. He came to the conclusion that ultimately using Heavy weights with High reps was the most beneficial for making progress in the Gym.
This conclusion, in my estimation, has two benefits:
1) The feel of heavy weights, besides encouraging muscle growth, makes the bodybuilder feel like he is accomplishing something in his training. The heavy poundages makes the muscle become stronger and stronger as the poundage is increased over time.
The increases in poundage also causes what Vince called Hyper-trophy to the muscles which is something we all strive for in every training session we go through..
2) The Heavy weights with High reps tear down tissues at a faster rate which is needed for muscular size.
With all the different styles of training, the bodybuilder needed to use heavier and heavier weights in order to use progressive resistance training in his workouts, this according to Vince.
I believe Vince was the originator of the phase, Progressive Resistance training.
The other part of the equation is the repetition phase. Higher reps in your training are essential to cause the muscles to pump in order to increase its blood supply to the tissues. The higher the reps the more capillaries are build which in turn feeds the muscle and increases its size. According to Gironda, the added capillaries can increase the muscle beyond its genetic potential.
Another of Vince's particular style of training in his Gym dealt with the Intensity Factor. Less rest between sets, increase in Tempo when working out, pushing yourself to do your workouts faster and faster, and progressive increases in weights was very important to the Iron Guru too.
All of these styles of training had one trait in common: To increase one's Pump, build capillaries to feed the muscles and increase its size.
There were other variables in training that Vince also considered, such as the idea that certain exercises required Maximum Intensity like the Hack squat, Neck Presses, body drag curls etc. While other movements required less intensity like chinning, dipping, Flys etc.
In conclusion, there are many styles of training that Vince Gironda advocated in his Gym. Heavy with low reps, Light with High reps and finally Heavy weights with Heavy reps. Try any one of these to find what works best for you and give Gironda's different training methods a try.
Credits
Vince Gironda.   which works best in your opinion ?
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: The Scott on November 26, 2020, 11:31:13 AM
To me, it was no longer a "heavy" weight if I could do "high reps" until about half way  or so through a high rep set.  I used to tell people that if it is heavy for you, then it is heavy.  For example, I have done a set of 225 lbs. for 100 reps on the squat and another time I did 50 reps with 300 lbs.  The same is true for example, with leg extensions.  I have done 100 non-stop reps with 225 lbs but I broke a leg extension machine after 10 or so reps with 750+ pounds.   I kinda got chewed out for that one by the gym owner. ;D

High rep weights were initially "light" for me but believe me, they got "heavy" about half way or so through the respective sets.  Your strength is, unfortunately, directly related to how strong you are for YOU.  By that I mean what is light for you may be heavy for someone else and vice versa.  I also found that for bench press, anything I could do for at least 20 reps I could do 100 pounds more for a single. My best bench press was only 350 lbs.  and nope, I never did a single max rep on the squat.  It didn't interest me at the time although my power lifting friends would occasionally try to get me to try.

Of course those weights were decades ago.  Getting old and falling off a roof took the wind out of my sails, LOL!
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on November 26, 2020, 11:42:41 AM
Without a doubt heavy weight for reps builds muscle the fastest. I alternate now, each major muscle (quads chest back) gets hit twice a week with an A and B workout. Workout A focuses on strength with reps between 6-8 and sometimes down to 2-4 (squats and deadlifts only) workout B reps are 10-15 but NEVER less than 10 on any set and not really anything over 15. I got the idea from Ronnie and he mentions doing this in his video the older one. Works fantastic. The catch 22 is that you have to train to failure on the high rep days and most cant stomach that. Trust me, its much tougher to truly go to failure with the most you can lift for 12 reps. Its tough. It works but you wont get stronger thus the alternating workouts. I do not go to failure on low rep days.
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Post by: The Scott on November 26, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
Without a doubt heavy weight for reps builds muscle the fastest. I alternate now, each major muscle (quads chest back) gets hit twice a week with an A and B workout. Workout A focuses on strength with reps between 6-8 and sometimes down to 2-4 (squats and deadlifts only) workout B reps are 10-15 but NEVER less than 10 on any set and not really anything over 15. I got the idea from Ronnie and he mentions doing this in his video the older one. Works fantastic. The catch 22 is that you have to train to failure on the high rep days and most cant stomach that. Trust me, its much tougher to truly go to failure with the most you can lift for 12 reps. Its tough. It works but you wont get stronger thus the alternating workouts. I do not go to failure on low rep days.

Excellent routine, sir!  Years ago when I trained with someone we would do something similar every so often. Well done, indeed!
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Post by: Mr Anabolic on November 26, 2020, 12:06:36 PM
To me, it was no longer a "heavy" weight if I could do "high reps" until about half way  or so through a high rep set.  I used to tell people that if it is heavy for you, then it is heavy.  For example, I have done a set of 225 lbs. for 100 reps on the squat and another time I did 50 reps with 300 lbs.  The same is true for example, with leg extensions.  I have done 100 non-stop reps with 225 lbs but I broke a leg extension machine after 10 or so reps with 750+ pounds.   I kinda got chewed out for that one by the gym owner. ;D

Damn impressive Scott.  23 years ago I squatted 225 for 55 reps (at 180lbs) and thought was going to die.
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Post by: wes on November 26, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
I have always used a weight that was as heavy as possible for the reps I was shooting for.........either 3 reps or 15 reps,they made me bust ass to squeeze them out.

Also I have always tried to train with as little rest as possible.

If you and I weighed the same amount and were equally as strong as each other,and it took me 45 minutes to do my workout but it took 2 + 1/2 hours for you to complete the same routine,I trained harder than you since I did the same amount of work in a  much shorter time.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 26, 2020, 12:07:41 PM
To me, it was no longer a "heavy" weight if I could do "high reps" until about half way  or so through a high rep set.  I used to tell people that if it is heavy for you, then it is heavy.  For example, I have done a set of 225 lbs. for 100 reps on the squat and another time I did 50 reps with 300 lbs.  The same is true for example, with leg extensions.  I have done 100 non-stop reps with 225 lbs but I broke a leg extension machine after 10 or so reps with 750+ pounds.   I kinda got chewed out for that one by the gym owner. ;D

High rep weights were initially "light" for me but believe me, they got "heavy" about half way or so through the respective sets.  Your strength is, unfortunately, directly related to how strong you are for YOU.  By that I mean what is light for you may be heavy for someone else and vice versa.  I also found that for bench press, anything I could do for at least 20 reps I could do 100 pounds more for a single. My best bench press was only 350 lbs.  and nope, I never did a single max rep on the squat.  It didn't interest me at the time although my power lifting friends would occasionally try to get me to try.

Of course those weights were decades ago.  Getting old and falling off a roof took the wind out of my sails, LOL!
   wow, I'll bet you didn't walk right for a week after those high rep squats. the most I ever did was 315 for 27 reps and that destroyed my legs for a good while. I use to do 5 sets of 5 with 275 in the bench press but never did more than 305 for a single.
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on November 26, 2020, 12:10:11 PM
I have always used a weight that was as heavy as possible for the reps I was shooting for.........either 3 reps or 15 reps,they made me bust as to squeeze them out.

Also I have always tried to train with as little rest as possible.

If you and I weighed the same amount and were equally as strong as each other,and it took me 45 minutes to do my workout but it took 2 + 1/2 hours for you to complete the same routine,I trained harder than you since I did the same amount of work in a  much shorter time.

You could argue that you trained harder but does that directly equate to more muscle gained?
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 26, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
I have always used a weight that was as heavy as possible for the reps I was shooting for.........either 3 reps or 15 reps,they made me bust as to squeeze them out.

Also I have always tried to train with as little rest as possible.

If you and I weighed the same amount and were equally as strong as each other,and it took me 45 minutes to do my workout but it took 2 + 1/2 hours for you to complete the same routine, I trained harder than you since I did the same amount of work in a  much shorter time.
                  sort of time under tension and duration of workout = intensity.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 26, 2020, 12:11:44 PM
You could argue that you trained harder but does that directly equate to more muscle gained?
   another variable would be exercise form. strict or more cheating.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 26, 2020, 12:56:47 PM
You could argue that you trained harder but does that directly equate to more muscle gained?
Good question.  The answer is no.
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Post by: oldtimer1 on November 26, 2020, 01:19:21 PM
No one can continue to get stronger by adding weight. If we did we would all be doing 250lbs curls. Heavy weights and training to failure is not the magic bullet. If it was Olympic lifters would have enormous thighs. No one can  keep adding weight to their exercises.  If you started at 18 and are now 30 I think you have a pretty good idea of what weight you can lift.

I think muscular growth for lack of a better definition is through gaining in muscular endurance which shouldn't be confused with cardio endurance.  The old argument that started with Arthur Jones of the two training protocols. What is better for bicep growth. One set to failure of bicep curls done once a week or even every 9 days or doing 5 sets of 10 reps of barbell curls?  If getting stronger was the magic bullet of muscle growth we would all be doing sets of one rep because that's the most intense training you could do.

Truth be told if you were in a gym with so many of these historical champs from the 60's, 70's and early  80's you would think the weights were very light. I know a guy that thought that about Steve Davis. Then he trained with him with the short rests between sets and exercises.  Suddenly the light weight was very heavy.  I heard the same about Chris Dickerson and Danny.  What looked easy wasn't if you tried to keep up especially day after day.  Yes, you can make a light weight heavy by slowing the negative and doing a full range of motion. Tired of guys doing half reps with a huge rep strutting around the gym like they are a tough guy.  Doing half reps with shoulder dumbbell presses with the 80lbs dumbbells isn't that impressive if you are doing half reps. Same with all the exercises. Bodybuilder as a lot are insecure and have to prove their manhood by stroking their ego through half reps and huge weights.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 26, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
No one can continue to get stronger by adding weight. If we did we would all be doing 250lbs curls. Heavy weights and training to failure is not the magic bullet. If it was Olympic lifters would have enormous thighs. No one can  keep adding weight to their exercises.  If you started at 18 and are now 30 I think you have a pretty good idea of what weight you can lift.

I think muscular growth for lack of a better definition is through gaining in muscular endurance which shouldn't be confused with cardio endurance.  The old argument that started with Arthur Jones of the two training protocols. What is better for bicep growth. One set to failure of bicep curls done once a week or even every 9 days or doing 5 sets of 10 reps of barbell curls?  If getting stronger was the magic bullet of muscle growth we would all be doing sets of one rep because that's the most intense training you could do.
Yes, we would all be benching Jupiter.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 26, 2020, 01:30:46 PM
No one can continue to get stronger by adding weight. If we did we would all be doing 250lbs curls. Heavy weights and training to failure is not the magic bullet. If it was Olympic lifters would have enormous thighs. No one can  keep adding weight to their exercises.  If you started at 18 and are now 30 I think you have a pretty good idea of what weight you can lift.

I think muscular growth for lack of a better definition is through gaining in muscular endurance which shouldn't be confused with cardio endurance.  The old argument that started with Arthur Jones of the two training protocols. What is better for bicep growth. One set to failure of bicep curls done once a week or even every 9 days or doing 5 sets of 10 reps of barbell curls?  If getting stronger was the magic bullet of muscle growth we would all be doing sets of one rep because that's the most intense training you could do.
   that reminds me of the isometric craze at the advent of the steroid era. Hoffman tried to say it was isometrics that was responsible for the York lifters strength gains. dr john ziegler knew better. It sold more racks for him.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 26, 2020, 01:45:07 PM
When I was a teenager I found Bob Hoffman's isometrics book at the library and faithfully trained just like he said for a month or two.  When I went back to lifting I was weaker in every lift. :-[  Bob never told me to take Dianabol in the book.
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Post by: oldtimer1 on November 26, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
What would bodybuilding look like without the drug assist?  I  bet it wouldn't exist except for tiny shows in rented VFW halls. It's all bull shit. Even recreational steroid users know how they look without the assist. It's an addictive drug on two fronts. One is ego that they love the praise they get for their temporary  physique, "work" ethic and knowledge. The other addiction is they love the psychological effect of feeling aggressive, confidence and the feeling of well being.  When they go off they feel timid, depressed and nervous. A very big incentive to get back on the horse as soon as possible. Like every drug addiction it ruins lives.  Want to know how much BS the sport is?  Look at the top champs when they retire and quit drugs. It's not  a pretty sight. Some never go off and always take something till they have an enlarged prostate or heart issues.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 26, 2020, 01:48:10 PM
What would bodybuilding look like without the drug assist?  I  bet it wouldn't exist except for tiny shows in rented VFW halls. It's all bull shit. Even recreational steroid users know how they look without the assist. It's an addictive drug on two fronts. One is ego that they love the praise they get for their temporary  physique, "work" ethic and knowledge. The other addiction is they love the psychological effect of feeling aggressive, confidence and the feeling of well being.  When they go off they feel timid, depressed and nervous. A very big incentive to get back on the horse as soon as possible. Like every drug addiction it ruins lives.  Want to know how much BS the sport is?  Look at the top champs when they retire and quit drugs. It's not  a pretty sight. Some never go off and always take something till they have an enlarged prostate or heart issues.
Ever been to a natural show?  The contestants are the smallest people in the building.
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Post by: wes on November 26, 2020, 01:56:08 PM
You could argue that you trained harder but does that directly equate to more muscle gained?
No idea but my intensity level would have been higher.

Gaining ,more muscle would consist of a lot of variables such as genetics,metabolism,nutrition,rest/sleep,etc.

I was just making a point that I have always believed in that intensity means a lot when training.
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Post by: Walter Sobchak on November 26, 2020, 02:00:16 PM
No idea but my intensity level would have been higher.

But you started training before protein was invented, you old ballbag!

Happy Thanksgiving Wes, stay safe and healthy.
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Post by: wes on November 26, 2020, 02:06:16 PM
But you started training before protein was invented, you old ballbag!

Happy Thanksgiving Wes, stay safe and healthy.
LOL   ;D :D

Enjoy the day brother !!
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Post by: Walter Sobchak on November 26, 2020, 02:45:16 PM
LOL   ;D :D

Enjoy the day brother !!

No.

🤣
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Post by: robcguns on November 26, 2020, 02:51:31 PM
High reps with heavy weight for me.

Best my shoulders ever got is when doing dB seated shoulder presses with 70s for 70,60,50,40,30.granted I have done 140lb shoulder presses for a few reps but all that did was fuck my lower back and shoulders.so 70s while not that heavy is heavy for the reps I was doing.I believe the same for bis,tris,forearms and traps.

Chest and back for me is a different story reps of 10-20 work best for me.
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Post by: Teutonic Knight 1 on November 26, 2020, 03:44:48 PM
   wow, I'll bet you didn't walk right for a week after those high rep squats. the most I ever did was 315 for 27 reps and that destroyed my legs for a good while. I use to do 5 sets of 5 with 275 in the bench press but never did more than 305 for a single.


When was that in 1967 ?.
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Post by: The Scott on November 26, 2020, 06:48:43 PM
   wow, I'll bet you didn't walk right for a week after those high rep squats. the most I ever did was 315 for 27 reps and that destroyed my legs for a good while. I use to do 5 sets of 5 with 275 in the bench press but never did more than 305 for a single.

Two days later was always tough, LOL! 
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Post by: The Scott on November 26, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
Damn impressive Scott.  23 years ago I squatted 225 for 55 reps (at 180lbs) and thought was going to die.

Thank you.  Your weights and reps are equally impressive.  I weighed between 240 and 250 lbs.  My family rceently found some photos of me at approximately 200,  230 and 250 lbs.  I like to think I was big but compared to competitive bodybuilders I was large but not as big as the really good ones.  It took around ten years  of training to reach those numbers and weights.
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Post by: funk51 on November 27, 2020, 04:54:07 AM

When was that in 1967 ?.
   mostly early 70's to mid eighties. that's a long time ago. I weighed around 180 at the time. now at 69 I still way 180. so 40-50 years zero net gains. :D
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Post by: epic is back on November 27, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
Funk

Tell us about how you deadlifted over 500 lbs

The workout structure
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Post by: IroNat on November 27, 2020, 12:47:45 PM
I don't know...I don't know...
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Post by: funk51 on November 27, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
Funk

Tell us about how you deadlifted over 500 lbs

The workout structure
one workout every other week on deadlifts. would start with 135 and  do 20 reps than jump to 225 12 reps, 315 8 reps, 405 4 reps than do single reps adding 50lbs per set 2X25 lb plates till failure. this was when I was in college. there was one guy who I used to lift with , he could do 405 at 198 lbs bdwt, I weighed 180 at the time. He told me that when he comes back after summer vacation that he would do 600 lbs plus. he did it using just d-bol in 3 months. I don't think deadlifting over 500 lbs is no big deal. when I was in high school a 125 lb girl I knew did 315 lbs the first time she ever tried lifting. my best lift was using an olympic bar and pressing for several reps my two younger twin cousins who weighed in the low 100 range at the time. that one was on film 8mm . ;D  I should try it now they are both over 200 lbs now. ::)
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Post by: epic is back on November 27, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
You mentioned in another post 545 lbs x2

So tell us about that
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Post by: funk51 on November 28, 2020, 06:59:29 AM
You mentioned in another post 545 lbs x2

So tell us about that
     pretty much same as above which quite frankly is rather pedestrian. I think members on here would be much more interested in learning how you became a champion, kind of like a blueprint for success. give us your exact routines exercises, sets and reps weights used, diet and drug cycles. some of the younger members would probably like to emulate you and achieve your greatness.
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Post by: funk51 on November 28, 2020, 07:00:24 AM
     pretty much same as above which quite frankly is rather pedestrian. I think members on here would be much more interested in learning how you became a champion, kind of like a blueprint for success. give us your exact routines exercises, sets and reps weights used, diet and drug cycles. some of the younger members would probably like to emulate you and achieve your greatness.
   oh, almost forgot have a rice day.
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Post by: Hypertrophy on November 28, 2020, 07:15:25 AM
one workout every other week on deadlifts. would start with 135 and  do 20 reps than jump to 225 12 reps, 315 8 reps, 405 4 reps than do single reps adding 50lbs per set 2X25 lb plates till failure. this was when I was in college. there was one guy who I used to lift with , he could do 405 at 198 lbs bdwt, I weighed 180 at the time. He told me that when he comes back after summer vacation that he would do 600 lbs plus. he did it using just d-bol in 3 months. I don't think deadlifting over 500 lbs is no big deal. when I was in high school a 125 lb girl I knew did 315 lbs the first time she ever tried lifting. my best lift was using an olympic bar and pressing for several reps my two younger twin cousins who weighed in the low 100 range at the time. that one was on film 8mm . ;D  I should try it now they are both over 200 lbs now. ::)

Not too different from my experiences. I got into dead lifting in my 20s and came up with a simple routine based on how I recovered. I found I was not able to max out each week - it was too hard on my spine. I had a very simple workout of once a week doubles and singles, working up to a single max every two weeks. On the off weeks I would only go to roughly 60-75% of my max for 1 or 2 reps.

I eventually reached 450 and called it quits. I didn't like how it made my back feel and I felt the dead lift really didn't do anything for me, physique wise. I weighed in the mid 180s and it was all drug free.
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Post by: epic is back on November 28, 2020, 09:30:45 AM
Used to stop at 405 and hit 12-15 reps on dead’s

weeks after the 2005 Arizona open I deadlifted 495 for 3

Then fucked a 18 year old several hours later same day

Also in this time period I benched 405 for 2

The post contest rebound is a nice thing

I was weighing 205-210 at this time a few weeks after my contest weight of 191

And eventually got back to 238

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Post by: funk51 on November 28, 2020, 09:43:19 AM
Used to stop at 405 and hit 12-15 reps on dead’s

weeks after the 2005 Arizona open I deadlifted 495 for 3

Then fucked a 18 year old several hours later same day

Also in this time period I benched 405 for 2

The post contest rebound is a nice thing

I was weighing 205-210 at this time a few weeks after my contest weight of 191

And eventually got back to 238
    do you think the deadlifts actually helped you body wise? or looking back in retrospect do you think you would be better served subbing another exercise. I later subbed hack squat like reverse dead lifts inside a power rack and felt it gave me better results in my nobody, nothing workouts.
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Post by: epic is back on November 28, 2020, 09:49:37 AM
I only deadlifted because of king Ronnie inspired me

I do think it helped me yes

But pure bodybuilding wise no

I’d had been better off concentrating on width

I had plenty of depth

Width was all I lacked in comparison to a top 5 USA guy cause they were usually shorter

And I didn’t want to be a heavyweight and ruin my lines and condition

I would have just gotten wider instead of stronger in retrospect to answer your question

But I still met my goal so I’m happy
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Post by: funk51 on November 28, 2020, 10:37:48 AM
I only deadlifted because of king Ronnie inspired me

I do think it helped me yes

But pure bodybuilding wise no

I’d had been better off concentrating on width

I had plenty of depth

Width was all I lacked in comparison to a top 5 USA guy cause they were usually shorter

And I didn’t want to be a heavyweight and ruin my lines and condition

I would have just gotten wider instead of stronger in retrospect to answer your question

But I still met my goal so I’m happy
     What got you started lifting weights, I remember you saying you started very young? most old timers on here were inspired by steve reeves and the old hercules movies.
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Post by: The Scott on November 28, 2020, 11:52:43 AM
Used to stop at 405 and hit 12-15 reps on dead’s

weeks after the 2005 Arizona open I deadlifted 495 for 3

Then fucked a 18 year old several hours later same day

Also in this time period I benched 405 for 2

The post contest rebound is a nice thing

I was weighing 205-210 at this time a few weeks after my contest weight of 191

And eventually got back to 238

Wow...Excellent lifting!  My best DL was an impromptu one at the gym with 505 lbs. The guys (all powerlifters) took the weights I was going to use for squatting and said I could have it if I could deadlift the thing.   I did it (kinda barely, LOL!) then walked with it to the squat rack (maybe 8 or so feet) and set it in the lower tier, got under it and did a bottom position squat with it then racked it on the top and took off enough to begin my 20 rep routine.  That nearly killed me. ;D

I miss those lads.  They were all much older than me at the time and are now all gone.  They were the gentlemen that taught me about J.C. Hise and the milk and 20 rep breathing squat routine that changed my physique. 
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Post by: funk51 on November 28, 2020, 12:31:09 PM
Wow...Excellent lifting!  My best DL was an impromptu one at the gym with 505 lbs. The guys (all powerlifters) took the weights I was going to use for squatting and said I could have it if I could deadlift the thing.   I did it (kinda barely, LOL!) then walked with it to the squat rack (maybe 8 or so feet) and set it in the lower tier, got under it and did a bottom position squat with it then racked it on the top and took off enough to begin my 20 rep routine.  That nearly killed me. ;D

I miss those lads.  They were all much older than me at the time and are now all gone.  They were the gentlemen that taught me about J.C. Hise and the milk and 20 rep breathing squat routine that changed my physique.
  now we're getting into some iron history 20 rep squats followed by a set of pullovers to increase the ribcage.
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Post by: epic is back on November 28, 2020, 04:18:09 PM
I was inspired to start age 9

My dad brought home the movie commando from the video store

Back when you had to rent the vcr too cause it wasn’t common for everyone to have one at the time

I watched it and I was soon saving my paper route money to by a 110 set at a store in California called

BEST

The rest is history

I didn’t actually compete until several years after college sports at the age of 24

 I Won my first show as a middleweight and I was hooked after that

Then finally met my goal at 38 years old as a light heavyweight and overall winner

Since then I haven’t touched a weight seriously in 5 years

Now I have a golf goal

Life is very good
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Post by: IroNat on November 28, 2020, 04:30:23 PM


Then fucked a 18 year old several hours...


This we are impressed with.
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Post by: epic is back on November 28, 2020, 05:10:43 PM
Several hours later

Not for several hours

I blew my load and it flew up over her head I was so into it

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Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 29, 2020, 09:31:31 AM
Several hours later

Not for several hours

I blew my load and it flew up over her head I was so into it
:D  On a side note, what do you find inspiring about golf?
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Post by: epic is back on November 29, 2020, 11:01:21 AM
Well golf is something that just fell into my lap

After moving to Florida

I went out to many places and met great groups of people

They invited me to come play golf

That turned into the director of golf training me

Now all the old men “ sharks “ love me and like my new blood and enthusiasm

Then I watched the club championship a few weeks ago

Literally stood there watching them finish on 18 and looked at the leader board scores as they wrote them down and I shook the hands of the top 3


Manifesting myself into their position

My coach saw this

He knows I want to win

And if I win he wins

This is why I like it

I can be the student not the teacher

And I’m very much wanting to succeed for him and myself

My currency is athleticism and confidence

It opens any door and pays any tab

Life is good
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Post by: funk51 on November 29, 2020, 11:55:04 AM
Well golf is something that just fell into my lap

After moving to Florida

I went out to many places and met great groups of people

They invited me to come play golf

That turned into the director of golf training me

Now all the old men “ sharks “ love me and like my new blood and enthusiasm

Then I watched the club championship a few weeks ago

Literally stood there watching them finish on 18 and looked at the leader board scores as they wrote them down and I shook the hands of the top 3


Manifesting myself into their position

My coach saw this

He knows I want to win

And if I win he wins

This is why I like it

I can be the student not the teacher

And I’m very much wanting to succeed for him and myself

My currency is athleticism and confidence

It opens any door and pays any tab

Life is good
    I never got into golf but my twin cousins see story above were both golf pros. they used to design golf courses and such, and my cousins kid is one of the top high school golfers in pa shoots in the low 70's. 
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 29, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
Nice thing about golf

Great clothes

Great atmosphere

Being out in nature

Don’t need weights

Don’t need a diet

Just stretching

And repetition

And did I mention great atmosphere?

Affluence and power and intelligent people

Unlike the basement dwellers here

Not including mayday

Maybe the only intelligent person here
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 29, 2020, 12:30:51 PM
I like bowling much more.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 29, 2020, 12:32:07 PM
I was inspired to start age 9

My dad brought home the movie commando from the video store

Back when you had to rent the vcr too cause it wasn’t common for everyone to have one at the time

I watched it and I was soon saving my paper route money to by a 110 set at a store in California called

BEST

The rest is history

I didn’t actually compete until several years after college sports at the age of 24

 I Won my first show as a middleweight and I was hooked after that

Then finally met my goal at 38 years old as a light heavyweight and overall winner

Since then I haven’t touched a weight seriously in 5 years

Now I have a golf goal

Life is very good
    that's funny because the golfer kid I mentioned above whose father is my younger cousin was at the theatre the same day that I saw commando as it had just come out, he went to see top gun at the same multiplex. now he's an airline pilot and i post on getbig, go figure. ;D
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 29, 2020, 12:34:22 PM
I like bowling much more.

Indoors ?

Wearing a mask ?

No thanks
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 29, 2020, 12:36:06 PM
    that's funny because the golfer kid I mentioned above whose father is my younger cousin was at the theatre the same day that I saw commando as it had just come out, he went to see top gun at the same multiplex. now he's an airline pilot and i post on getbig, go figure. ;D

You post on getbig

Because your g ay and you worship men in thongs

Why not just be honest dude ?
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 29, 2020, 12:44:31 PM
You post on getbig

Because your g ay and you worship men in thongs

Why not just be honest dude ?
;D ;D ;D ;D   not gay but I'm getting the feeling you are. have a rice day mister G4P
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 29, 2020, 12:47:52 PM
Indoors ?

Wearing a mask ?

No thanks
I haven't bowled since before the Covid.  I don't wear a mask.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 29, 2020, 02:27:10 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D   not gay but I'm getting the feeling you are. have a rice day mister G4P

Lol

Anything but gay bro

Never did g4p either

I never mixed with the bodybuilding community

I did it all alone

With some help from dr j
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: IroNat on November 29, 2020, 06:19:51 PM
This man loves golf.

(https://refuge-cdn.nolayingup.dev/original/3X/6/e/6e67700b9e0101c206d41b02de01604811aef89a.gif)
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 29, 2020, 06:24:34 PM
He is very good at it as well

Tell us what your good at sir
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: IroNat on November 30, 2020, 04:39:20 AM
He is very good at it as well

Tell us what your good at sir

Like all true Getbiggers, I am good at managing money.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 30, 2020, 04:58:40 AM
Like all true Getbiggers, I am good at managing money.
   watch yourself IronNat , eprick will ask for naked pictures of you and call you gay if you anger him, you don't want to see him when he's angry or gay.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: IroNat on November 30, 2020, 05:20:26 AM
Gay used to mean happy.

In the old days they were called "fags" or "light in the loafers".

Where did it all go wrong?

(https://img.discogs.com/QBm81yh2vsWmcwZiD6AqO9Ktf5Q=/fit-in/600x661/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-7862915-1450409591-7894.jpeg.jpg)
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 30, 2020, 05:30:51 AM
Gay used to mean happy.

In the old days they were called "fags" or "light in the loafers".

Where did it all go wrong?

(https://img.discogs.com/QBm81yh2vsWmcwZiD6AqO9Ktf5Q=/fit-in/600x661/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-7862915-1450409591-7894.jpeg.jpg)
                   because of delusional idiots like eprick our resident rambling retard. triple R
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 30, 2020, 08:56:10 AM
you mad funk? i dont want to see you angry

got caught telling stories and  dilutions of you deadlifting 545 for reps?

I don't get why you guys lie so much

have a rice day!!


cmon man!!


Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 30, 2020, 09:33:52 AM
Gay used to mean happy.

In the old days they were called "fags" or "light in the loafers".

Where did it all go wrong?

(https://img.discogs.com/QBm81yh2vsWmcwZiD6AqO9Ktf5Q=/fit-in/600x661/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-7862915-1450409591-7894.jpeg.jpg)
Acceptance and then glorifying.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 30, 2020, 12:11:16 PM
you mad funk? i dont want to see you angry

got caught telling stories and  dilutions of you deadlifting 545 for reps?

I don't get why you guys lie so much

have a rice day!!


   There was a snake that crawled over a sharp saw and was cut. In anger the snaked wrapped the saw with its thick body and proceeded to squeeze the life out of the saw.
With each angry squeeze it felt more pain but continued because it wasn’t going to let the saw get away with the pain it caused it. The snake, refusing to let go of the saw, eventually died; not knowing the whole time,  he needed to let go of the initial pain and focus on its future and where it was going. Instead, the snake, unfortunately,  lost its life and didn’t even see it coming.
Control your anger, forgive those that hurt you, and don’t give people or things power over you. It can ultimately kill you.  words to live by.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 30, 2020, 12:16:01 PM
I'm no snake cumbribble

I'm the man you could not be

I'm the champ you wanted to be but never followed through on

don't blame me cause I don't have to  lie

you asked me questions about competition history , goals ect

I answered

you know my name who I am what I won

snake?

id say the snake is you

no one knows your name

your the one who is deceptive

don't even bother trying to win a battle of truth mr 545lbs deadlifter

just let it go.

but from here on try and be honest

embellishment is fine but just be honest overall

it will serve you better

Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Hypertrophy on November 30, 2020, 12:20:32 PM
I see this thread has devolved to  the "you're gay" level. There has to be a name for that, like Godwin's Law where you eventually  get called a Nazi in a political argument.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 30, 2020, 12:31:15 PM
ill take it bro

better than talking about politics and communism
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 30, 2020, 12:34:42 PM
I'm no snake cumbribble

I'm the man you could not be

I'm the champ you wanted to be but never followed through on

don't blame me cause I don't have to  lie

you asked me questions about competition history , goals ect

I answered

you know my name who I am what I won

snake?

id say the snake is you

no one knows your name

your the one who is deceptive

don't even bother trying to win a battle of truth mr 545lbs deadlifter

just let it go.

but from here on try and be honest

embellishment is fine but just be honest overall

it will serve you better
  why are you so angry?  is roid rage really a thing? 545 lbs in the deadlift is no big deal. is it because I could do it without roiding that has you so upset. I guess at 69 years old I should train up and try to do it again  just to gain your approval.  I got to give you credit though I like that insult cumdribble, pretty imaginative on your part.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on November 30, 2020, 12:36:24 PM
ill take it bro

better than talking about politics and communism
  on that we can agree. well it's time to go look for some fellow yellows. and as always have a rice day.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 30, 2020, 03:45:20 PM
  why are you so angry?  is roid rage really a thing? 545 lbs in the deadlift is no big deal. is it because I could do it without roiding that has you so upset. I guess at 69 years old I should train up and try to do it again  just to gain your approval.  I got to give you credit though I like that insult cumdribble, pretty imaginative on your part.

tell us about the time you deadlifted 545 bro

what was your diet like, your weight? were you into powerlifting or bodybuilding only?

straps or no straps?  if so what kind? in the gym or at home? over under grip or double over? sumo or narrow?

what was your favorite gym you trained at?

did you wear shoes when deadlifting or squatting?

did you believe in a belt?

what kind of shampoo you use now?

what was your goal in competitive bodybuilding?

tell us about it
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: IroNat on November 30, 2020, 03:47:03 PM
Epic,

You got to make it rhyme, bro.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 30, 2020, 03:51:59 PM
but if I  rhyme

I got to drop dimes

and for that I don't have time,

so please go whine

about how you lost faith in  donny

and how your a secret commie

Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: IroNat on November 30, 2020, 05:05:40 PM
but if I  rhyme

I got to drop dimes

and for that I don't have time,

so please go whine

about how you lost faith in  donny

and how your a secret commie



Started well but ended badly.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on November 30, 2020, 05:10:33 PM
I know

Why did you give up and bend over to communism?
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Methyl m1ke on November 30, 2020, 07:41:20 PM
Epic,

You got to make it rhyme, bro.

Awful
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 09:55:27 AM
tell us about the time you deadlifted 545 bro

what was your diet like, your weight? were you into powerlifting or bodybuilding only?

straps or no straps?  if so what kind? in the gym or at home? over under grip or double over? sumo or narrow?

what was your favorite gym you trained at?

did you wear shoes when deadlifting or squatting?

did you believe in a belt?

what kind of shampoo you use now?

what was your goal in competitive bodybuilding?

tell us about it
   some of my favorite gyms.in no particular order. gold's gym allentown, bethelem, whitehall, serge's gym, eskimo's gym, fitness america, olympus gym, olympic training center, phoenix fitness, spillane's gym, jimmy's gym,community fitness, and many more. sumo style and aidas sneakers.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 09:56:50 AM
 :(
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 09:58:15 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 09:59:57 AM
 :o
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 10:02:23 AM
 ;)   i used to do rack pulls at the different heights building up to a max. to be truthful i wish i never did deadlifts ever.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on December 01, 2020, 10:07:32 AM
but rack pulls and sumo are for powerlifters?

were you interested in power or muscle growth?
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 01, 2020, 10:23:18 AM
:o
My York course didn't come with pics of naked men. :-[
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 12:18:57 PM
but rack pulls and sumo are for powerlifters?

were you interested in power or muscle growth?
  both.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Teutonic Knight 1 on December 01, 2020, 12:31:11 PM
My York course didn't come with pics of naked men. :-[

Poor old grandpa , when was that in 1950 ............. ;D
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on December 01, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
  both.
\
only Coleman and a select few could do both, your not the select few funkster

white rhino

jj jackson ect
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 01:03:49 PM
\
only Coleman and a select few could do both, your not the select few funkster

white rhino

jj jackson ect
  I never claimed to be, just enjoyed lifting just for the fun of it. never said or thought I was anything special.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on December 01, 2020, 01:25:10 PM
but you deadlifted 545 x 2

all natty under 200lbs

that would put you way up there  well above average
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 04:57:45 PM
but you deadlifted 545 x 2

all natty under 200lbs

that would put you way up there  well above average
    not really. I always thought I was kind of weak compared to most guys. my best bench ever was only 305 at 180 lbs. after I dislocated a shoulder I've only benched on machines since then. i did 270 lbs of weight on my powertec bench a couple of years ago. some little guy I knew did a  triple body weight dead lift  for 21 reps he  weighed 123 in bunny slippers and guy was in his 50's to boot. .
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on December 01, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
So there was no 545 x2

I’ll have to just wait for yahoo to confirm

If you won’t
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: epic is back on December 01, 2020, 09:06:07 PM
Breaking news


Yahoo news just confirms it found a 38 year old “ video tape “

In a Pennsylvania pawn shop that appears to show a diminutive Asian man hoisting what looks to be

Hundreds of pounds off the ground to waist level ,

Junior corespondent Mack levin , said he was a former weightlifter and saw this movement before and called it a “deadlift “ in gymnasium circles

Sources confirm even after the massive “deadlift “

The man in the video tape is  confirmed to be alive and well in a mid century modern  home just outside of philly

Internet service providers confirm the man is Asian like in appearance  routinely talks about these “ deadlifts” on a internet message board for better part of the last decade

Yahoo news corespondent Mack levin reporting
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: honest on December 01, 2020, 09:46:00 PM
I subscribed to Fred Hatfields Dr Squats holistic training principle back in the day, you couldn't miss combining both heavy and light weights and reps still feel it would be the best base for anyone, but you need anabolic steroid type recovery to benefit from this type of training naturally your just killing your nervous system. IMO
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 02, 2020, 04:50:44 AM
Poor old grandpa , when was that in 1950 ............. ;D
It was the 80's but the York course was from the 50's.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: IroNat on December 02, 2020, 05:40:37 AM
Rickey Dale Crain was natty.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Methyl m1ke on December 02, 2020, 06:28:59 AM
:o

His left arm kinda looks like a giant cock
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 02, 2020, 07:15:15 AM
;)   i used to do rack pulls at the different heights building up to a max. to be truthful i wish i never did deadlifts ever.

I agree. Power cleans would have given me a better physique. And they are truly functional strength.
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: funk51 on December 02, 2020, 09:15:34 AM
Rickey Dale Crain was natty.
   of course he was along with larry pacifico, ed coan, mike bridges, john kuc, and bill kazmaier. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: expert opinions needed.
Post by: IroNat on December 02, 2020, 10:51:11 AM
   of course he was along with larry pacifico, ed coan, mike bridges, john kuc, and bill kazmaier. ::) ::) ::) ::)

Truth.