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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt on December 26, 2020, 01:54:48 AM
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Nice video here, as the YouTuber took Ronnie's 2003 shots and compared them directly side-by-side to Big Ramy's shots in the same poses from the 2020 Mr. Olympia contest last weekend. I would love to hear some of Getbig's eminent bodybuilding historians weigh in on this one:
I'd give it to Ronnie...but it's not exactly like he's leaps and bounds ahead of Big Ramy in those comparisons.
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Pics and different footage don't mean shit, Ramys not even close...
Also ronnie 03 was drier at prejudge in the purple trunks, he wasn't as good in red trunks.
Ronnie kills ramy.
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Pics and different footage don't mean shit, Ramys not even close...
Also ronnie 03 was drier at prejudge in the purple trunks, he wasn't as good in red trunks.
Ronnie kills ramy.
I agree that Ronnie beats Ramy. I think to "kill" another bodybuilder would require being leaps and bounds ahead of him in multiple areas - for instance, in 2003, Ronnie not only outweighed Jay Cutler by 32-lb, but was also harder and leaner. So I think saying Ronnie killed Jay in 2003 is a fair statement, as harsh as that would be to say to Jay. What's so mind-boggling to me about that contest is that Ronnie was so clearly ahead of Jay that he almost made Jay look like an amateur, and yet at the same time, Jay was so clearly ahead of bodybuilders placing #3 and lower, that if you were to compare Ronnie to some of the other top bodybuilders in that lineup, you would think you were comparing a top pro bodybuilder with amateurs.
Darrem Charles [who is a great bodybuilder, and actually won a Classic Physique title in 2007, at around 49 years of age] claimed to weigh 235-lb in his Mr. Olympia days. Whether that contest weight claim was accurate, I don't know, but even if he did weigh 235-lb, Ronnie outweighed him by 52-lb! And that's what I mean about Ronnie making some of the Mr. Olympia lineup - yes, the Mr. Olympia lineup...the best bodybuilders in the world, and all champions in their own right - look like amateurs.
As for the claim that Ronnie in 2003 "kills" Big Ramy in 2020 - in terms of conditioning, I can accept that. But size-wise, Ronnie is by no means dwarfing Ramy.
It's sort of hard to compare the two given that Ronnie has a short torso and long legs, whereas Ramy has the opposite - a long torso and short legs.
But in terms of conditioning, Ronnie is definitely ahead of Ramy.
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Yeah matt but Ramys never been that tight as ronnie 03... How much would he suck down how much of "The size " you refer to would be gone?
Also ramy has glaring weaknesses, ronnie didn't.....
Ramys BDB is weak he's getting out classed in that shot by guys today! even a subpar Phil can beat ramy in that shot. You are talking about comparing that to the greates BDB presentation of all time in ronnie 03!
Also compare hamstrings and glutes... Ronnie destroys ramy here aswell.. The list goes on.
Sorry but that is exactly what getting killed refers to!
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Ronnie has more density. That comes from heavy weights instead of pumping.
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Ronnie kills ramy.
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Ronnie’s muscles looked real.
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Ronnie shits all over him.
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I guess I understand the comparison. They're both the biggest Mr. O's size wise. But comparing anyone to Ronnie they will look bad. He destroys anyone
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I guess I understand the comparison. They're both the biggest Mr. O's size wise. But comparing anyone to Ronnie they will look bad. He destroys anyone
(https://www.ironcompany.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BML21hxCcAAkNWB.jpg)
Disagree. Coleman had horrible shape and lacked density and granite hardness. Very strange shape to his muscles. Dorian here was carved out of stone and blows the doors off of the bloofy Coleman.
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(https://www.ironcompany.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BML21hxCcAAkNWB.jpg)
Disagree. Coleman had horrible shape and lacked density and granite hardness. Very strange shape to his muscles. Dorian here was carved out of stone and blows the doors off of the bloofy Coleman.
Literally the only front pose he was good in. Dorian sucked from the front. He was amazing in '92/93 and then was a blocky mess of torn bodyparts. Ronnie '98/98 is untouchable
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Literally the only front pose he was good in. Dorian sucked from the front. He was amazing in '92/93 and then was a blocky mess of torn bodyparts. Ronnie '98/98 is untouchable
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=327562.0;attach=369112;image)
Wrong
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Literally the only front pose he was good in. Dorian sucked from the front. He was amazing in '92/93 and then was a blocky mess of torn bodyparts. Ronnie '98/98 is untouchable
I agree, someone should make a thread on this topic.
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I agree, someone should make a thread on this topic.
Lmao. Naw
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The only pose I'd give Ramy in that video is the side chest but every other shot Coleman wins easily. Ramy may be the best currently, but he just isn't in the same league as a prime Coleman and I don't think he's capable of getting there due to his structure. Coleman's conditioning was quite a bit better in that video than Ramy too.
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You can't compare two bodybuilders at two different lighting.
You guys keep posting Dorian gym poses and in black and white... roelly gym pics are beating all of them does it mean he is better than Dorian? we will never know.
Anyway Ronnie is a way better than Ramy right now. What Ramy got on him is the quad and the abs/gut
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Regarding comparing conditioning. Ronnie was pretty sloppy and mushy in 2003, for Ronnie. They obviously pushed fullness to the max so that's what happens. The size was so overwhelming so the slight loss in hardness didn't matter.
Ronnie wasn't "obviously" much more conditioned. It has to do with skin tone, skin thickness, separation, sometimes vascularity, the "pop" to the muscle. Ramy's muscle doesn't quite come alive in the same manner due to some of those factors. Like his legs don't project the same even if they are fat free because he doesn't have the same separation and skin tone. The lights tend to wash him out. Not necessarily because of still having fat to lose.
I always said here that Ramy has competed in excellent shape many times and people just assume he isn't conditioned enough. This year he was absolutely not "obviously better conditioned" than previously. The stars just aligned perfectly this year, the competition was what it was, and he managed to win fairly.
If anyone cares to do so, just compare say back double bicep shots of Ramy through the years and see if he was more conditioned this year.
BTW, anyone have the exact original this "picture" is based on?
Looks like a painting to me but has been making the rounds past few days showing how Ronnie is the GOAT
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Nice video here, as the YouTuber took Ronnie's 2003 shots and compared them directly side-by-side to Big Ramy's shots in the same poses from the 2020 Mr. Olympia contest last weekend. I would love to hear some of Getbig's eminent bodybuilding historians weigh in on this one:
I'd give it to Ronnie...but it's not exactly like he's leaps and bounds ahead of Big Ramy in those comparisons.
Yes he is and the creator of the video has questionable bodybuilding acumen. It's pointless to compare the two anyway. Contests are not judged by watching replays on TV. Onstage in person is all that matters.
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Regarding comparing conditioning. Ronnie was pretty sloppy and mushy in 2003, for Ronnie. They obviously pushed fullness to the max so that's what happens. The size was so overwhelming so the slight loss in hardness didn't matter.
Ronnie wasn't "obviously" much more conditioned. It has to do with skin tone, skin thickness, separation, sometimes vascularity, the "pop" to the muscle. Ramy's muscle doesn't quite come alive in the same manner due to some of those factors. Like his legs don't project the same even if they are fat free because he doesn't have the same separation and skin tone. The lights tend to wash him out. Not necessarily because of still having fat to lose.
I always said here that Ramy has competed in excellent shape many times and people just assume he isn't conditioned enough. This year he was absolutely not "obviously better conditioned" than previously. The stars just aligned perfectly this year, the competition was what it was, and he managed to win fairly.
If anyone cares to do so, just compare say back double bicep shots of Ramy through the years and see if he was more conditioned this year.
BTW, anyone have the exact original this "picture" is based on?
Looks like a painting to me but has been making the rounds past few days showing how Ronnie is the GOAT
It's cgi or something. Left lat too big/full hamstrings weirdly thick calves too big etc. Left arm too big. The artist clearly wanted his body to be almost perfectly symmetrical for whatever reason. 2003 olympia
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(https://i.imgur.com/n4flVqx.jpg)
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Ramy Noodles = the best now, not ever.
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Imagine if they met......in da CAGE!!!!
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BTW, anyone have the exact original this "picture" is based on?
Looks like a painting to me but has been making the rounds past few days showing how Ronnie is the GOAT
Maybe a series by Per Bernal for Muscular Development -
https://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/12991-ronnie-coleman-s-best-exercises-plus-back-routine-muscular-development.html#.X-eMb9hKjIV .
(https://i.redd.it/9uxqqe767ao21.jpg).
Ronnie vs Phil.
Someone threw it into a modeling program maybe -
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/298293175333806173/ .
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Maybe a series by Per Bernal for Muscular Development -
https://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/12991-ronnie-coleman-s-best-exercises-plus-back-routine-muscular-development.html#.X-eMb9hKjIV .
(https://i.redd.it/9uxqqe767ao21.jpg).
Ronnie vs Phil.
Someone threw it into a modeling program maybe -
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/298293175333806173/ .
and Franco would be better than Arnold if you made him the same height like this
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Prime Ronnie had a better X taper (legs and body combo) than Ramy will ever have.
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Ronnie smokes ramy.
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Ronnies muscle was real
What else is there to say
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Ronnie won easily
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Maybe a series by Per Bernal for Muscular Development -
https://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/12991-ronnie-coleman-s-best-exercises-plus-back-routine-muscular-development.html#.X-eMb9hKjIV .
(https://i.redd.it/9uxqqe767ao21.jpg).
Ronnie vs Phil.
Someone threw it into a modeling program maybe -
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/298293175333806173/ .
The scaling on this pic is a joke, take three inches of ronnies height.... And he still wins.!
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Ronnie smokes ramy.
No.
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What could be interesting is how Ramy might change over the next year for the O. A win like this might remove some mental blocks and give him a push physique-wise. Mental limitations are not to be discounted even if chemistry is important.
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Ronnie wins
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I think Ronnie in 2003 beats Big Ramy in 2020. I just think it's an interesting comparison.
Out of curiosity...if any bodybuilder who competed from 1998 through to 2020 entered the 2003 Mr. Olympia contest, would any bodybuilder beat 2020 Ramy [EDIT: other than Ronnie]?
Is it safe to say that if Ramy had a time machine and entered the 2003 Mr. Olympia contest, and all other bodybuilders from 1998 through to 2020 could also enter, that Ramy would place 2nd?
Or was Jay Cutler in 2009 better, or Phil Heath in 2011?
Discuss.
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I think Ronnie in 2003 beats Big Ramy in 2020. I just think it's an interesting comparison.
Out of curiosity...if any bodybuilder who competed from 1998 through to 2020 entered the 2003 Mr. Olympia contest, would any bodybuilder beat 2020 Ramy?
Is it safe to say that if Ramy had a time machine and entered the 2003 Mr. Olympia contest, and all other bodybuilders from 1998 through to 2020 could also enter, that Ramy would place 2nd?
Or was Jay Cutler in 2009 better, or Phil Heath in 2011?
Discuss.
The only things that I find impressive about Ramy is his overall quad mass and his thigh detail when he turns to the side.
Other than that, he is not in Ronnie’s league.
PS: the 2007 Dennis Wolf May have beaten the 2020 Ramy
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No.
Yes
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Today, both have bigger wheels. Coleman’s are just attached to his chair.
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(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27654884_1011980865606995_6286023396194823378_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=11DDuHCnXNcAX9PNahq&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=c56e287b293d6557dd01c30e36816e87&oe=600D78FE)(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37869193_1137637626374651_1938194070669099008_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=cKYQDwyISRAAX_s1doj&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=0ce1897d4c1e128cc457669b4b974777&oe=600FBA67)
BAD LIGHTING IN 2003
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(https://i.redd.it/u1cjviul1zi01.jpg)
Big Ramy wins easily. More massive and better conditioned.
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Ronnie wins!
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Ramy has a better mid section, the king wins in almost every other way possible.
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Ramy has a better mid section, the king wins in almost every other way possible.
Coleman had that drooping look with the traps, and the pecs were too bottom heavy. No muscle maturity either. Just fluffy air filled mush. Dorian was cut out of granite and had that grainy conditioning that won Sandows. Big Ramy looks great and is on his way. We're going to see something spectacular out of Big Ramy for at least the next few Olympias.
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No contest Coleman by a landslide, side on Rami has the best quads hamstrings we have seen but outside of that the rest is ronnie and I'm a dorian 93 physique fan over everything else.
Ramy won but he couldn't beat Heath at his best and I'm no fan of Phil. Worse Mr olympia winner in modern times, it just shouldn't be about who can take the most mgs and Ius structure and shape should have stayed in the equation. Though i think this year he won it was a very poor olympia.
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Whoever wins. One thing s for sure. It would be a great battle between two of the greatest warriors ever
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Ronnie won
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The only one that can beat Ronnie is Arnold
(https://ironflexuk.weebly.com/uploads/2/4/9/5/24951789/7602122.jpg)
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Speaking about Ramy vs Ronnie
What are Ramy's big 3 lifts? Anywhere close to Ronnies?
Ronnie had strength to back up his size where as I'm not sure about Ramy
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Speaking about Ramy vs Ronnie
What are Ramy's big 3 lifts? Anywhere close to Ronnies?
Ronnie had strength to back up his size where as I'm not sure about Ramy
ramy is nothing but a walking chemical experiment, ronnie and dorian yates have taken shits that look better than rammy , the people on here who think ramy is better are closet homo's who fantasize about having this big brute taking them from behind while he makes camels noises
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Only the very best versions of Yates and Coleman could beat this version of Ramy. The rest of the 90' and 00's and 10's would take a backseat to this beautiful mountain of a man.
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Only the very best versions of Yates and Coleman could beat this version of Ramy. The rest of the 90' and 00's and 10's would take a backseat to this beautiful mountain of a man.
this guy looks 10 times better than that goat fucker
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ramy is nothing but a walking chemical experiment, ronnie and dorian yates have taken shits that look better than rammy , the people on here who think ramy is better are closet homo's who fantasize about having this big brute taking them from behind while he makes camels noises
Hey, Ramy has Ronnie's coach now and he promises next winter is going to be even colder :D Let's see if he can polish up this camel turd! Chad certainly hurled superlatives on Ramy, it's going to very special! :D
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Hey, Ramy has Ronnie's coach now and he promises next winter is going to be even colder :D Let's see if he can polish up this camel turd! Chad certainly hurled superlatives on Ramy, it's going to very special! :D
ha ha great van, what do you think the chad will do to ramy's kidneys, hell he killed dallas mccarver
van do you think chad will turn ramy into the "Pharaoh" and have ramy unleash a jihad on the olympia stage, along with his lil gay partner fadhi jihadi
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Only the very best versions of Yates and Coleman could beat this version of Ramy. The rest of the 90' and 00's and 10's would take a backseat to this beautiful mountain of a man.
In certain poses, Phil Heath looked thicker than Ramy. During prejudging especially. The rear double bicep, and side tricep pose.
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In certain poses, Phil Heath looked thicker than Ramy. During prejudging especially. The rear double bicep, and side tricep pose.
royalty i think phil is a dick , but a prime phil would smoke this oil glazed turd
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ha ha great van, what do you think the chad will do to ramy's kidneys, hell he killed dallas mccarver
van do you think chad will turn ramy into the "Pharaoh" and have ramy unleash a jihad on the olympia stage, along with his lil gay partner fadhi jihadi
LOL ;D
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this guy looks 10 times better than that goat fucker
That might be true. From a body beautiful standpoint. Not from a Mr. Olympia standpoint. He'd look like an amateur natty standing next to Ramy on stage.
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Great Arab genetics
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ronnie slaughters him, i don't know how anybody can think it's close
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royalty i think phil is a dick , but a prime phil would smoke this oil glazed turd
Agree Phil is a fucktard... But Phil, 2011 beats ramy 2020 easy also... So does 2009 Jay. So does 2012 2014 Kai etc etc... There are many that could beat this 2020 version of ramy..
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this guy looks 10 times better than that goat fucker
1 of the all time great bodybuilding photos about as close too perfection as possible in that particular shot
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1 of the all time great bodybuilding photos about as close too perfection as possible in that particular shot
Agreed I challenge any of these schmoes on here to find a pic of ramy goatfucker that looks better
Than this
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LOL, Ruhl 2.0 just barely edged Curry. Now, y'all are putting him in Ronnie's League. Bet Dex with his 1 Olympia could beat a prime Ronnie too.
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Agreed I challenge any of these schmoes on here to find a pic of ramy goatfucker that looks better
Than this
way too small, ramy would win
flex late 90's was better bodybuilder than 93 flex
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, Jay was so clearly ahead of bodybuilders placing #3 and lower, that if you were to compare Ronnie to some of the other top bodybuilders in that lineup, you would think you were comparing a top pro bodybuilder with amateurs.
jay lost to dexter a few weeks after this contest so he wasn't that far ahead
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Find mee a picture where flex wheeler is as ripped as this ::) Even only weighting 220lbs or so he never looked this ripped.
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⬆️ Filtered Picture. Post a real pic.
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⬆️ Filtered Picture. Post a real pic.
royatly i am convinced now alot of schmoes on this board love ramy's enomormous ass, and would love to spend a night with the pharoah of bodybuilding
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BTW, anyone have the exact original this "picture" is based on?
Looks like a painting to me but has been making the rounds past few days showing how Ronnie is the GOAT
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=670350.0;attach=1288348;image)
It is a "ZBrush" model, like Clay art modeling. + different Lighting + Filmgrain
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/023/254/925/large/carlos-jacinto-print-11.jpg?1578600805)
Real Coleman Mr. O 2003 He never looked like the pictures above.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410945.0;attach=968047;image)
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/e0weVP
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The detail isn’t there on ramy
He is great
Coleman was and never will be surpassed
Factors such as real gear
Real training
And jay pushed him hard
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this guy looks 10 times better than that goat fucker
He's only got one leg and no kidneys so he's disqualified forever.
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A dream battle between two great warriors