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Highest placing at the Olympia was 15th, while he was probably better than a Levrone physique wise...lol
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Looked phenomenal for a short while. Then caught a case of Palumboism. Abnormal genes for building muscle for sure and his facial features were like a black man/gorilla. I mean even his face was similar to Palumbo in a way, ape-like.
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Link us to the pro ratings list so we can adequately judge.
In the absence of data, and from a purely subjective criteria at the contests I saw, I'd say Pavol Jablonsky.
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Aaron baker
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Highest placing at the Olympia was 15th, while he was probably better than a Levrone physique wise...lol
Yes - definitely underrated. As well as a bodybuilder who should've been a pro, Jeff King.
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JJ Marsh should have done better (during his era)
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Phil Hill would crush him.
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Just a little too smooth.
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Just a little too smooth.
That's harsh. His glutes were peeled.
Maybe a little too smooth when compared to the best in his era, but he'd be a very decent pro if he competed now.
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is he still in prison ?
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Just a little too smooth.
Smooth? :D
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S1tdQVJmPSI/AAAAAAAAF2I/ImU4_bnTCYU/s400/1996_arnold_classic_62_20090827_1008963403.jpg)
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Aaron Baker; highest Olympia placing 9th in 1995 (punished for his stint in Vince McMahon's WBF).
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Hill competed in a different era so he is not as shredded as Roland, but he was a beast and I`m sure he could get shrinkwrapped if that was his goal.
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Pavol jablonicky. Maybe not underrated in terms of placings he's had a couple good show results but seems alot of people don't remember him
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Pavol jablonicky. Maybe not underrated in terms of placings he's had a couple good show results but seems alot of people don't remember him
In the absence of data, and from a purely subjective criteria at the contests I saw, I'd say Pavol Jablonsky.
Yup.
He was always in shape, at least every NOC I attended.
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Yup.
He was always in shape, at least every NOC I attended.
As you said always in shape consistently over his career.
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Guestposing at 55 years old or so
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Guestposing at 55 years old or so
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From what I remember Pavol Jablonicky was the worst poser ever, worse than Paul Dillet. Maybe I misremember but I thought that back then.
Great relaxed pose, relaxed for real, not like today's "relaxed."
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Pavol jablonicky. Maybe not underrated in terms of placings he's had a couple good show results but seems alot of people don't remember him
I always thought Pavol and Baker got robbed in almost every contest they were in.
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I always thought Pavol and Baker got robbed in almost every contest they were in.
Thread officially closed.
Pavol is the clear winner.
I will put this into the official get big records, so the next moron who starts this thread for the 500th time will have the answer.
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Thread officially closed.
Pavol is the clear winner.
I will put this into the official get big records, so the next moron who starts this thread for the 500th time will have the answer.
Could you put here some good comparison pictures and perhaps video of shows where he was robbed?
I think he placed about where he deserved but I'll be looking at some pics.
We complain about judging a lot and sometimes there are bad calls but what do we expect of a beauty pageant where things are somewhat subjective? I can't think of many competitors who were consistently and criminally poorly placed. I'm actually amazed how good the judging has been all things considered.
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Aron baker is guy looked great was similar to flex wheeler
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Tom Prince showing Pavol what’s what
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Could you put here some good comparison pictures and perhaps video of shows where he was robbed?
I think he placed about where he deserved but I'll be looking at some pics.
We complain about judging a lot and sometimes there are bad calls but what do we expect of a beauty pageant where things are somewhat subjective? I can't think of many competitors who were consistently and criminally poorly placed. I'm actually amazed how good the judging has been all things considered.
I am a straight male, so I don't have archived pictures of oiled up men from 2nd tier 1990s bodybuilding contests readily available.
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I tried looking for pics of Pavol and I can't find any clear pics of his whole body from contests! Quite amazing, a guy who competed as much as he did and it's like there is almost no record of him as far as good pics. I mean he placed maybe his best in 02-03 and there is shit for pics, there are better pics of Arnold circa 1960-65.
Royalty probably went looking for pics and that's the best he could do :D
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I tried looking for pics of Pavol and I can't find any clear pics of his whole body from contests! Quite amazing, a guy who competed as much as he did and it's like there is almost no record of him as far as good pics. I mean he placed maybe his best in 02-03 and there is shit for pics, there are better pics of Arnold circa 1960-65.
Royalty probably went looking for pics and that's the best he could do :D
There aren't too many pics from the old NoCs.........likely have to get old magazines or something.
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I am a straight male, so I don't have archived pictures of oiled up men from 2nd tier 1990s bodybuilding contests readily available.
I'm sorry but that's a pathetic response, and I have no problem with you :D
Who cares if you did have saved pics, he is already burned into your brain and memory! His name immediately popped into your mind as "underrated bb" :D
There aren't too many pics from the old NoCs.........likely have to get old magazines or something.
That's true but I had problems finding any good pics of the dude.
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I'm sorry but that's a pathetic response, and I have no problem with you :D
Who cares if you did have saved pics, he is already burned into your brain and memory! His name immediately popped into your mind as "underrated bb" :D
That's true but I had problems finding any good pics of the dude.
As you said, it's all subjective. But I do remember him being a consistently good at all the NoCs - Munzer too. They were both always the fan favorites there.
"Underrated" is kind of a dumb criteria anyway. There are no ratings to look at to see who is rated under where they should be.
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In the mid 90s walking around golds venice, Aaron baker was as much of a freak as Dillet was, he was officially the Mr Tank Top Mr Olympia, he looked better than Flex who grew on stage, and Cormier who whilst big just didn't stand out back in the 90s. But like Flex got appreciated and better when on stage , Aaron walking around with his super thickness looked one another level, on stage he looked a little narrow was the only thing that held him back plus his WBF history he wasn't established enough in the IFBB prior to command respect after his escapade like some others, but none of the WBF guys went well upon their return.
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Some think he was overrated.
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Paco started out with tons of potential but then started getting blocky at the end. He could dial it in hard as nails and vascular.
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Pavol jablonicky. Maybe not underrated in terms of placings he's had a couple good show results but seems alot of people don't remember him
My vote as well.
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I tried looking for pics of Pavol and I can't find any clear pics of his whole body from contests! Quite amazing, a guy who competed as much as he did and it's like there is almost no record of him as far as good pics. I mean he placed maybe his best in 02-03 and there is shit for pics, there are better pics of Arnold circa 1960-65.
Royalty probably went looking for pics and that's the best he could do :D
No I actually didn’t try.
I’ve seen Pavol in person in 1996. I’m not sure why everyone now is on his jock LOL.
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Some think he was overrated.
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Could you have found a worse photo or at least one from when he was bodybuilding not pursuing his failed acting career. :)
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Paco started out with tons of potential but then started getting blocky at the end. He could dial it in hard as nails and vascular.
His structure was absolute disaster from the start. Not necessarily affected much by his bb practices. Long, wide waist, short arms and legs. All genetics. Without the mass he wouldn't have gone anywhere, no way to make that structure aesthetic. Freakiness was all he had going for him.
I'm thinking about one show in Europe where he looked absolutely nuts with the conditioning, mass and vascularity.
Could you have found a worse photo or at least one from when he was bodybuilding not pursuing his failed acting career. :)
Baker was legit, looked crazy at his best. :)
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Could you have found a worse photo or at least one from when he was bodybuilding not pursuing his failed acting career. :)
1995
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I'm thinking about one show in Europe where he looked absolutely nuts with the conditioning, mass and vascularity.
Here.
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Is that Apollo Creed? ???
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Savolainen
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Paco started out with tons of potential but then started getting blocky at the end. He could dial it in hard as nails and vascular.
The marriage with Ky-homo destroyed him.
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I bet Narcissistic Deity has some pics of Pavol....when he see this thread hopefully he can post some good clear contest shots.
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Savolainen
Hardly underrated with those oilbag balloons...
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Some think he was overrated.
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haha i always wondered the story behind this pic
the most underrated pro ever is chris cormier
should've gotten 2nd at the olympia at least once or twice, and should have at least 2 arnold's
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No I actually didn’t try.
I’ve seen Pavol in person in 1996. I’m not sure why everyone now is on his jock LOL.
Pavol started out in another bodybuilding organization and that could be why he never got better placings. I remember first seeing him in the mags in the late 80's or early 90's and thinking "who the Hell is that!" He looked awesome but placed pretty low. I figured it was because he was a Slav, or Pollock, or whatever he was.
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I believe it was Pavol who suggested to Heath that Phil should compete.
That alone undoes any and all underrating.
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I remember originally seeing pavol from 1988 Ifbb amateur worlds in australia, he was stand out along with Munzer and Renel Janvier, first time i had ever seen striated glutes. Javier conditioning was unbelievable, Pavel was thick as but was basically a blown up light heavy competing as a heavy at this stage. I think he placed well over the years, I can't ever remember him getting robbed overly, structurally he was always going to struggle at the very top olympia level. But great physique and good to see him still at it in his 50s
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I remember originally seeing pavol from 1988 Ifbb amateur worlds in australia, he was stand out along with Munzer and Renel Janvier, first time i had ever seen striated glutes. Javier conditioning was unbelievable, Pavel was thick as but was basically a blown up light heavy competing as a heavy at this stage. I think he placed well over the years, I can't ever remember him getting robbed overly, structurally he was always going to struggle at the very top olympia level. But great physique and good to see him still at it in his 50s
Great point he was never even close top tier unlike baker and Cormier
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That's a great everyday look, easy to maintain without a ton of gear.
Pavol and Roland are both good choices.
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I believe it was Pavol who suggested to Heath that Phil should compete.
That alone undoes any and all underrating.
That was Claude Groulx, IIRC.
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Could you have found a worse photo or at least one from when he was bodybuilding not pursuing his failed acting career. :)
He heard your call...
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Is that Apollo Creed? ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672134.0;attach=1302573;image)
Well spotted - he was on a date with Christopher Moltisanti (Soprano)
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The marriage with Ky-homo destroyed him.
Sorry, I know this is my 3rd post in a row, but this is too interdasting to ignore so I have to ask - what does this mean?
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That was Claude Groulx, IIRC.
Common mistake.
All white European bodybuilders look alike to me.
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Sorry, I know this is my 3rd post in a row, but this is too interdasting to ignore so I have to ask - what does this mean?
Kyomo was some tag along asian guy that seemed to know Paco and might have been part of his training crew.
Imagine if Darren Avey knew Martin Ford in real life and posted about it on here. That was Kyomo
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=281144.0;attach=1141180;image)
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Dareem Charles. I always believed he could do it
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Is that Apollo Creed? ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672134.0;attach=1302572;image)
Well spotted - he was on a date with Christopher Moltisanti (Soprano)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672134.0;attach=1302687;image)
They were there to meet Rihanna
(https://i.ibb.co/x1s7ZQm/Rihanna.jpg)
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Sorry, I know this is my 3rd post in a row, but this is too interdasting to ignore so I have to ask - what does this mean?
Paco had a fan here. His nickname was Kyomu.
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They were there to meet Rihanna
(https://i.ibb.co/x1s7ZQm/Rihanna.jpg)
Hahahahaha! Don't you mean the ginger offspring of Drew Barrymore and Jamie Lee Curtis?!?!
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haha i always wondered the story behind this pic
the most underrated pro ever is chris cormier
should've gotten 2nd at the olympia at least once or twice, and should have at least 2 arnold's
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And flex wheeler was a bit overrated, aside from a few showings, suspect calves, arms, shoulders
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Pavol and Roland are both good choices.
Good choices for schmoeing?
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Certain bodybuilders are underrated at the beginning of their pro career, gain some notoriety and then become overrated towards the end of their career.
Dennis Wolf and Branch Warren are perfect examples.
(https://i.redd.it/pgu2itbe1et31.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5b/c2/bc/5bc2bc3d631e2a7dc0046034a7f6fe16.jpg)
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Aaron Baker and Savolainen
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I tried looking for pics of Pavol and I can't find any clear pics of his whole body from contests! Quite amazing, a guy who competed as much as he did and it's like there is almost no record of him as far as good pics. I mean he placed maybe his best in 02-03 and there is shit for pics, there are better pics of Arnold circa 1960-65.
Royalty probably went looking for pics and that's the best he could do :D
Against Sarcev -
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Bunch of photos here, including contests - https://www.facebook.com/pavoljablonickycom/ .
2002 Olympia alone -
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Bad posing - https://www.facebook.com/mrofansite/videos/mr-olympia-1999-pavol-jablonicky/913207662080968/ .
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Against Sarcev -
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Bunch of photos here, including contests - https://www.facebook.com/pavoljablonickycom/ .
2002 Olympia alone -
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Bad posing - https://www.facebook.com/mrofansite/videos/mr-olympia-1999-pavol-jablonicky/913207662080968/ .
I saw those. The posing routine is shot very poorly. I mean I can get a good idea of what he's lacking from seeing half a second of a pose from a bad angle but it's hard to show to others with these shit quality pics.
His conditioning was there say on his delts and pecs but his backside and quads quite a bit off, enough to knock him down a few spots. This is a type of physique where absolutely nothing pops as he poses. Terrible posing in general.
He did beat Cutler by one spot at a Mr O, I think they were like 15 and 16 :D Even got a 2nd place at the NOC.
But in general he wasn't overlooked or underrated at all.
What he had was this great relaxed shot, that's half the hits as you search for pics.
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A name that always comes up in these types of threads is Mendenhall. He was hardly underrated, everyone has been prasing him nonstop for decades on end :D
He just never put it together to decively win that card. He is judged on his potential, not what he was.
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But in general he wasn't overlooked or underrated at all.
What he had was this great relaxed shot, that's half the hits as you search for pics.
He looked fantastic onstage in person. Saw him a bunch of times.
Constant boos at his placings each year.
As for finding quality videos of posing routines, they may not exist. Not because they can't be found, but because BB video guys suck. Look how they botched the 1993 olympia - close ups that show nothing, odd angles, constant zoom in.....awful.
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Pavol Jablonicky, Mr.Olympia 2004,
TOP Video-Quality, his best Olympia placing (11th), in his prime..
In 2003-2004 he got his best placings..
2003 Grand Prix Hungary, 1st
2003 Night of Champions, 2nd
2004 Hungarian Pro Invitational, 1st
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xt7hbx
Maybe it's different in person, or something went wrong in this contest, but he does not look anything special.
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The fact remains all these guys are great role models for us and our children to look up to.
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The fact remains all these guys are great role models for us and our children to look up to.
And they are very good at fighting because of the muscles - don't forget that
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Tom Prince showing Pavol what’s what
Didn't Price escort and pose nude in gay mags?
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Pavol Jablonicky, Mr.Olympia 2004,
TOP Video-Quality, his best Olympia placing (11th), in his prime..
In 2003-2004 he got his best placings..
2003 Grand Prix Hungary, 1st
2003 Night of Champions, 2nd
2004 Hungarian Pro Invitational, 1st
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xt7hbx
Maybe it's different in person, or something went wrong in this contest, but he does not look anything special.
He looks like what he was, an upper mid tier pro. When you see him against other top tier guys, you can see he was placed fairly. Here's the 2004 Olympia results -
1 Ronnie Coleman
2 Jay Cutler
3 Gustavo Badell
4 Dexter Jackson
5 Markus Ruhl
6 Gunter Schlierkamp
7 Chris Cormier
8 Dennis James
9 Victor Martinez
10 Darrem Charles
11 Pavol Jablonicky
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When some looks at that line up can we really say Pavol wasn't getting his fair shake?
He maybe was unfairly forgotten, but he was pretty fairly placed, give or take a position or two.
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He looks like what he was, an upper mid tier pro.
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When some looks at that line up can we really say Pavol wasn't getting his fair shake?
He maybe was unfairly forgotten, but he was pretty fairly placed, give or take a position or two.
Yes, he has too many flaws:
very bad calves, thin legs, wide midsection, extendet belly, soft lower body.
"upper mid tier pro" is a good description.
He looks best in the relaxed pose..
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d5/f8/f7/d5f8f7fe2c542cfde5fbcab2f056d667.jpg)
What i can see in the pictures is that he has wide shoulders in relation to his height,
which looks impressive in person or with the right lighting. (from behind or above)
He has an impressive frame, wide upper body, almost like a square.
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In the mid 90s walking around golds venice, Aaron baker was as much of a freak as Dillet was, he was officially the Mr Tank Top Mr Olympia, he looked better than Flex who grew on stage, and Cormier who whilst big just didn't stand out back in the 90s. But like Flex got appreciated and better when on stage , Aaron walking around with his super thickness looked one another level, on stage he looked a little narrow was the only thing that held him back plus his WBF history he wasn't established enough in the IFBB prior to command respect after his escapade like some others, but none of the WBF guys went well upon their return.
I was training at Golds from 1989-94 and I remember Baker. I stopped following competitive bbing after the 1981 fiasco. Actually, I was pretty disillusioned after 1980 but '81 was the final straw so I wasn't familiar with the names but did take note of the world class physiques at that gym. I would come to know their names much later. So my impression wasn't influenced by reputation and popularity. The one who stood out the most I person was Paul
Dillet. Just absolutely mind-blowing in person. Then there was Lou Ferrigno. Again, enormous beyond belief. As far as sheer perfection, it was Flex Wheeler that I would have most wanted to look like. For some reason Aaron Baker never impressed me. I definitely looked like an advance BBer but I didn't think he was a pro competing on the same stage as Dillet, Flex, and Cormier. He wasn't freaky huge nor did he seem to have the crazy conditioning so many nobodies at that gym had. What struck me most about him was he still wore that greasy Jheri-curl type hair style and always wore those super skin tight lycra-type pants.
Just goes to show how subjective this sport is. Some think he was Olympia caliber whereas I thought he was just a good amateur.
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He looks like what he was, an upper mid tier pro. When you see him against other top tier guys, you can see he was placed fairly. Here's the 2004 Olympia results -
1 Ronnie Coleman
2 Jay Cutler
3 Gustavo Badell
4 Dexter Jackson
5 Markus Ruhl
6 Gunter Schlierkamp
7 Chris Cormier
8 Dennis James
9 Victor Martinez
10 Darrem Charles
11 Pavol Jablonicky
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When some looks at that line up can we really say Pavol wasn't getting his fair shake?
He maybe was unfairly forgotten, but he was pretty fairly placed, give or take a position or two.
Pavol was far from underrated, a mid tier pro like some mentioned, nothing more, nothing less
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Aaron Baker; highest Olympia placing 9th in 1995 (punished for his stint in Vince McMahon's WBF).
Aaron Baker by farmers
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Craig Titus
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I was training at Golds from 1989-94 and I remember Baker. I stopped following competitive bbing after the 1981 fiasco. Actually, I was pretty disillusioned after 1980 but '81 was the final straw so I wasn't familiar with the names but did take note of the world class physiques at that gym. I would come to know their names much later. So my impression wasn't influenced by reputation and popularity. The one who stood out the most I person was Paul Dillet. Just absolutely mind-blowing in person. Then there was Lou Ferrigno. Again, enormous beyond belief. As far as sheer perfection, it was Flex Wheeler that I would have most wanted to look like
I'm rarely envious of other people, but this is an exception - very very cool 8)
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Too late to throw this guy in the mix? I know he was hardly underrated in NABBA terms, but IFBB?
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Too late to throw this guy in the mix? I know he was hardly underrated in NABBA terms, but IFBB?
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This is Milos Sarcev's favorite. He was rated pretty high I think, by both judges and fellow competitors. Everyone seems to speak highly of his physique. I don't remember thinking he was especially fucked over but it was a long time ago... he competed in a very competitive era.
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Charles Clairmonte's best Olympia appearances -
1993 -
1 Dorian Yates
2 Ken Wheeler
3 Shawn Ray
4 Lee Labrada
5 Kevin Levrone
6 Paul Dillett
7 Charles Clairmonte
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1994 -
1 Dorian Yates
2 Shawn Ray
3 Kevin Levrone
4 Paul Dillett
5 Porter Cottrell
6 Chris Cormier
7 Nasser El Sonbaty
8 Charles Clairmonte
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This seems to be one of those unfairly forgotten rather than unfairly placed moments.
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This video might prove that Clairmonte actually beat Flex at the 1993 Olympia (Clairmonte did officially beat Wheeler a week after the 1993 Olympia on the Grand Prix Tour)
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This is Milos Sarcev's favorite. He was rated pretty high I think, by both judges and fellow competitors. Everyone seems to speak highly of his physique. I don't remember thinking he was especially fucked over but it was a long time ago... he competed in a very competitive era.
Charles Clairmonte's best Olympia appearances -
1993 -
7 Charles Clairmonte
1994 -
8 Charles Clairmonte
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This seems to be one of those unfairly forgotten rather than unfairly placed moments.
Yeah, they're both pretty fair points - and yes, it was over a quarter of a century ago LOL
He's aged pretty well too - it looks that like Dorian he's cut right back on his weight, etc.
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This video might prove that Clairmonte actually beat Flex at the 1993 Olympia (Clairmonte did officially beat Wheeler a week after the 1993 Olympia on the Grand Prix Tour)
Interdasting. He does mention the NABBA thing, and that maybe it might have influenced the IFBB judges
Same thing with the WBF guys - I remember people wondering if that got them treated differently
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Interdasting. He does mention the NABBA thing, and that maybe it might have influenced the IFBB judges
Same thing with the WBF guys - I remember people wondering if that got them treated differently
Of course in mattered. Weider had a long memory. There is a reason why Jeff King was never convinced to move over to the IFBB.
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Tom Prince showing Pavol what’s what
pavol still has his kidneys though
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Flex Wheeler had amazing arms
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Flex Wheeler had amazing arms
And still has a great leg
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And still has a great leg
:D
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Flex Wheeler had amazing arms
He still does - they're just a different kind of amazing now...
(http://i.postimg.cc/3xntxw67/Flex-shoulder-press.gif)
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And still has a great leg
Bro...
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Too late to throw this guy in the mix? I know he was hardly underrated in NABBA terms, but IFBB?
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Charles Clairmonte and Eduardo Kawak were punished by the Weiders because they were champions in other organizations.
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He still does - they're just a different kind of amazing now...
(http://i.postimg.cc/3xntxw67/Flex-shoulder-press.gif)
Just the finishing 5%. :-\