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Title: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Hypertrophy on June 05, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
Sorry if this is bodybuilding related. I hate to disrupt the board vibe, lol


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15438627.2020.1853546


https://www.t-nation.com/training/how-to-build-muscle-strength-training/


"At the end of 8 weeks, the group that started with a 3-week strength block had gained more strength AND size than the group that did hypertrophy-only training."
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 05, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
Nobody here is gaining much of either at this point.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Hypertrophy on June 05, 2021, 10:55:08 AM
Nobody here is gaining much of either at this point.


lol - probably not  ;D
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: bhank on June 05, 2021, 10:56:56 AM
Nobody here is gaining much of either at this point.

Declining at a slower rate is the same thing as making gains we would all be worse if we didn't train at all
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Body-Buildah on June 05, 2021, 11:09:18 AM
I prefer the method some call "powerbuilding".
Powerlifting training methods on the main lifts (SQ, B, DL, OHP), with BB/Hypertrophy type sets on the accessories.
Of course anything over 12 reps is considered cardio.  :P

Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: IroNat on June 05, 2021, 11:21:00 AM
Good to know.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Taffin on June 05, 2021, 07:17:39 PM
I prefer the method some call "powerbuilding".
Powerlifting training methods on the main lifts (SQ, B, DL, OHP), with BB/Hypertrophy type sets on the accessories.
Of course anything over 12 reps is considered cardio.  :P

This is what Mike O'Hearn does, isn't it?

Takes balls to train like that...
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 05, 2021, 07:20:05 PM
Sorry if this is bodybuilding related. I hate to disrupt the board vibe, lol


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15438627.2020.1853546


https://www.t-nation.com/training/how-to-build-muscle-strength-training/


"At the end of 8 weeks, the group that started with a 3-week strength block had gained more strength AND size than the group that did hypertrophy-only training."

Agree with this
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: GigantorX on June 05, 2021, 08:31:16 PM
This is what Mike O'Hearn does, isn't it?

Takes balls to train like that...

Nice.

Jerked off twice to this post.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Matt on June 06, 2021, 01:09:03 AM
This is what Mike O'Hearn does, isn't it?

Takes balls to train like that...

Nothing Mike does takes balls.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Body-Buildah on June 06, 2021, 04:09:35 AM
This is what Mike O'Hearn does, isn't it?

Takes balls to train like that...

Not sure what ole "nutless one" does.
Once I saw pics of his home-gym, setup like a shrine to himself, I never watched.
Bizarre.  :(
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: pamith on June 06, 2021, 04:16:52 AM
Yes, I've said it time and time again, you ain't building any muscle if your strength levels are not going up, idc how much ''pump'' you got in your workout or how you ''confused'' your muscles by doing different, unusual things
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Taffin on June 06, 2021, 10:15:20 AM
This is what Mike O'Hearn does, isn't it?

Takes balls to train like that...


Nice.

Jerked off twice to this post.


Nice.

Wonder how he got his butter-face pregnant with that sperm-count....



Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: monsterman500 on June 06, 2021, 10:17:19 AM
Yes, I've said it time and time again, you ain't building any muscle if your strength levels are not going up, idc how much ''pump'' you got in your workout or how you ''confused'' your muscles by doing different, unusual things
you sound like a confused guy  ::)
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 07, 2021, 05:15:08 AM
Yes, I've said it time and time again, you ain't building any muscle if your strength levels are not going up, idc how much ''pump'' you got in your workout or how you ''confused'' your muscles by doing different, unusual things
Why are male gymnasts so jacked?  They do not use progressive resistance.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: IroNat on June 07, 2021, 06:10:02 AM
Why are male gymnasts so jacked?  They do not use progressive resistance.

Same reason the playground dips/pullups guys are so jacked.

Lots of reps.  Low intensity.  Low bodyfat levels.  Genetics.  Drugs help too.

If the top level gymnasts didn't have superior genetics for the sport you would not see them period.

Both have no legs also.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Hypertrophy on June 07, 2021, 07:38:57 AM
Why are male gymnasts so jacked?  They do not use progressive resistance.


Sure they do. Lots of gymnasts weight train.


Start at 3:00





Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: TheGrinch on June 07, 2021, 08:45:34 AM
Why are male gymnasts so jacked?  They do not use progressive resistance.

They keep beating their DC' log books...LOL j/k


:-)
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: bhank on June 07, 2021, 10:03:40 AM
You have to fatten the cow before you can carve up a steak
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Body-Buildah on June 07, 2021, 01:54:39 PM
You have to fatten the cow before you can carve up a steak

LOL oh brother Bhank-a-dank   :D..       ::)
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: funk51 on June 07, 2021, 04:35:02 PM
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: ThisisOverload on June 07, 2021, 05:19:43 PM
It's true, that's why you should do both.

I've always believed in changing your training between pure strength overload training and higher rep training.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Marty Champions on June 08, 2021, 03:03:04 PM
You can develop long strength by working15 hours a day
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Bevo on June 08, 2021, 03:09:11 PM
Same reason the playground dips/pullups guys are so jacked.

Lots of reps.  Low intensity.  Low bodyfat levels.  Genetics.  Drugs help too.

If the top level gymnasts didn't have superior genetics for the sport you would not see them period.

Both have no legs also.

Where are all these guys? Must be millions upon millions of them running around
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Primemuscle on June 08, 2021, 03:20:21 PM
You can develop long strength by working15 hours a day

You will also be very tired and likely have no trouble falling asleep after a 15 hour work day. A thousand years ago, I briefly worked as a grip on the Big Valley set. According you union rules they had to give you 8 hours off between shifts. Depending on how long your shift was, you could work up to 16 out of every 24 hours for as long as they needed you. I was still a kid, but it was exhausting. BTW, the pay was excellent. It was not a steady job though. Not until you'd amassed a fair amount of hours which put you higher on the roister,  Folks with the most hours on the books were called to work first.

I bet being a grip is a job you'd have been good at when you were younger. It was too physical for me....all grunt labor. I wanted to be a set decorator, but when I was a kid I was too impatient to work my way up to that position. 
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: IroNat on June 08, 2021, 04:45:09 PM
Where are all these guys? Must be millions upon millions of them running around

They're all in prison.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Marty Champions on June 08, 2021, 07:06:16 PM

Sick build fake natty but his advice is correct on slow is building and fast is burning
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: TheGrinch on June 12, 2021, 09:01:05 AM
Sick build fake natty but his advice is correct on slow is building and fast is burning

Genetics for the win
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Hypertrophy on June 12, 2021, 11:44:42 AM
Why do these ghetto guys who train on chins and dips only look like this?


(https://s1.qwant.com/thumbr/0x380/0/d/14ad9400639a8e08b818f32006c1c0900060d05a981ec6f60c90dc0df9dc99/482.jpg?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F001%2F014%2F016%2F482.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=0)
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 13, 2021, 01:36:24 AM
Why do these ghetto guys who train on chins and dips only look like this?


(https://s1.qwant.com/thumbr/0x380/0/d/14ad9400639a8e08b818f32006c1c0900060d05a981ec6f60c90dc0df9dc99/482.jpg?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F001%2F014%2F016%2F482.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=0)
Dips and chins are great exercises.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Hypertrophy on June 13, 2021, 06:25:00 AM
Dips and chins are great exercises.


They are- I do them routinely. But  if you don't do anything else you get a wildly unbalanced physique.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: IroNat on June 13, 2021, 06:50:13 AM

They are- I do them routinely. But they if you don't do anything else you get a wildly unbalanced physique.

Yes, you have to train legs too.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 13, 2021, 11:52:24 AM

They are- I do them routinely. But  if you don't do anything else you get a wildly unbalanced physique.
Dips (or pushups), chins and bodyweight squats are all a person needs.  Everything else is a bonus.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Hypertrophy on June 13, 2021, 03:15:25 PM
Dips (or pushups), chins and bodyweight squats are all a person needs.  Everything else is a bonus.


I'd love to see real life proof of that. Not giving you are hard time- just want to see what is achieved by someone who who had done  just those three exercises.


And don't say gymnasts- because a lot of guys in my high school who were gymnasts also weight trained.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: pamith on June 13, 2021, 05:29:31 PM
you sound like a confused guy  ::)
Nope, quite the opposite. Most guys don't know how to build muscle, I do
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: pamith on June 13, 2021, 05:30:58 PM
Why are male gymnasts so jacked?  They do not use progressive resistance.
Try doing what they do and you'll understand why
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: TheGrinch on June 13, 2021, 05:59:08 PM
Nope, quite the opposite. Most guys don't know how to build muscle, I do

which is how?
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: pamith on June 13, 2021, 06:39:37 PM
which is how?
Progressive overload
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 14, 2021, 03:43:39 AM

I'd love to see real life proof of that. Not giving you are hard time- just want to see what is achieved by someone who who had done  just those three exercises.


And don't say gymnasts- because a lot of guys in my high school who were gymnasts also weight trained.
There's a whole industry designed just for guys who only train bodyweight exercises.  Pushups work all the pushing muscles of the upper body and pullups work all of the pulling muscles.  Bodyweight squats work the legs.  Go to Youtube and look up videos of 30 day, 60 day and 90 day pushup transformations.

Many wrestlers, boxers and other athletes did only bodyweight exercises.  The Great Gamma did bodyweight exercises and swung a club.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gama

Dragon Door Publishing prints many books that deal with just bodyweight exercises.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: wes on June 14, 2021, 03:50:14 AM
Progressive overload
Sooner or later you will not get any stronger............what then?

If we kept always getting stronger we`d all be benching 1000 pounds so you sir are incorrect.

You have great genetics though.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: IroNat on June 14, 2021, 04:12:27 AM
Sooner or later you will not get any stronger............what then?

If we kept always getting stronger we`d all be benching 1000 pounds so you sir are incorrect.

You have great genetics though.

You carry a baby giraffe every day and gradually it grows into an adult giraffe.

No equipment necessary.
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: pamith on June 19, 2021, 05:24:49 PM
Sooner or later you will not get any stronger............what then?

If we kept always getting stronger we`d all be benching 1000 pounds so you sir are incorrect.

You have great genetics though.
Ty sir my genetics are alright I guess, but yes we do get stronger but I see what you are saying, I don't see any human ever bench pressing 1000 lbs raw
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: pamith on June 19, 2021, 05:33:10 PM
Look, I'm not saying we have to train like powerlifters, but I'd be fooling myself is now as a natty I could just go to the gym and ''pump up'' and make gains, it's not gonna happen, for me to make gains I need to improve my bench, my squat and my deadlift, there's no way around, and yes we can all do this with 10+ reps, no need to do singles, doubles or triples. Gaining weight is important, if you haven't gained any weight in a year chances are you didn't gain any muscle
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: TheGrinch on June 19, 2021, 05:59:16 PM
Progressive overload

so..... explain gymnasts muscle growth as they do the exact opposite
Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Hypertrophy on June 19, 2021, 06:40:40 PM
so..... explain gymnasts muscle growth as they do the exact opposite


Let's put this gymnasts myth to bed- Almost all male Olympic gymnasts over the past 60 years weighed in at a whopping 150 pounds or less- and most averaged 130 pounds. Not exactly earth shattering muscle mass, lol. And yet they still do weight training...


https://www.topendsports.com/events/summer/science/gymnastics-all-round.htm

Title: Re: Strength first then hypertrophy training
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 20, 2021, 03:04:18 AM

Let's put this gymnasts myth to bed- Almost all male Olympic gymnasts over the past 60 years weighed in at a whopping 150 pounds or less- and most averaged 130 pounds. Not exactly earth shattering muscle mass, lol. And yet they still do weight training...


https://www.topendsports.com/events/summer/science/gymnastics-all-round.htm
Most are short and have very little bodyfat so of course they aren't going to weigh a lot.  How many natural trainers that you know weigh 200 pounds with low bodyfat?

The gymnasts that lift weights usually just do a couple exercises to supplement there shoulder strength.  They do not train their whole body with weights and many don't lift weights at all.