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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Shakh on November 19, 2021, 08:11:54 AM
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These livestream updates are great!
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I don't know anything about his personal medical history. But judging off the fact that he needs to wear a LifeVest, something tells me this guy isn't doing well at all. That LifeVest (wearable defibrillator) literally shocks your heart back into proper rhythm when certain markers go off (If you heart goes into Ventricular Tachycardia, Ventricular Fibrillation or Supraventricular Tachycardia). If this guy is already at the point of wearing a LifeVest, there's a high likelihood that he might need what's called an Automatic Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator (AICD).
I am guessing that this guy has had a few heart attacks during these most recent years, suffers from some degree of congestive heart failure and likely has coronary arterial disease. Any of these individually or in combination with each other can lead to cardiac arrhythmias that can result in sudden cardiac arrest.
If I were him, I would walk away from this lifestyle, start a damn vegan diet, exercise moderately and undergo whatever interventional cardiology procedures (coronary artery bypass grafting, angioplasty w/ stenting or even a rotational Atherectomy) can be had to give my heart a fighting chance.
I know of a number of IFBB pros from the northeastern circuit that are right this moment having to question their past decisions in undertaking this "sport" as a career.
READ THIS CLEARLY: THIS LIFESTYLE ISN'T WORTH DYING FOR.
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Interesting he starts by showing us his cars - presumably to show us what it was all for... :-\
Did anyone have Kali in this years dead pool?
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I don't know anything about his personal medical history. But judging off the fact that he needs to wear a LifeVest, something tells me this guy isn't doing well at all. That LifeVest (wearable defibrillator) literally shocks your heart back into proper rhythm when certain markers go off (If you heart goes into Ventricular Tachycardia, Ventricular Fibrillation or Supraventricular Tachycardia). If this guy is already at the point of wearing a LifeVest, there's a high likelihood that he might need what's called an Automatic Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator (AICD).
I am guessing that this guy has had a few heart attacks during these most recent years, suffers from some degree of congestive heart failure and likely has coronary arterial disease. Any of these individually or in combination with each other can lead to cardiac arrhythmias that can result in sudden cardiac arrest.
If I were him, I would walk away from this lifestyle, start a damn vegan diet, exercise moderately and undergo whatever interventional cardiology procedures (coronary artery bypass grafting, angioplasty w/ stenting or even a rotational Atherectomy) can be had to give my heart a fighting chance.
I know of a number of IFBB pros from the northeastern circuit that are right this moment having to question their past decisions in undertaking this "sport" as a career.
READ THIS CLEARLY: THIS LIFESTYLE ISN'T WORTH DYING FOR.
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He used to claim natural. Now he's crying about steroids.
He had a 100% blocked artery.
Blames steroids and Top Ramen in prison.
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Interesting he starts by showing us his cars - presumably to show us what it was all for... :-\
Did anyone have Kali in this years dead pool?
Cars are very important in SoCal. People can only afford to rent a room but own 2 cars and a ninja.
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I don't know anything about his personal medical history. But judging off the fact that he needs to wear a LifeVest, something tells me this guy isn't doing well at all. That LifeVest (wearable defibrillator) literally shocks your heart back into proper rhythm when certain markers go off (If you heart goes into Ventricular Tachycardia, Ventricular Fibrillation or Supraventricular Tachycardia). If this guy is already at the point of wearing a LifeVest, there's a high likelihood that he might need what's called an Automatic Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator (AICD).
I am guessing that this guy has had a few heart attacks during these most recent years, suffers from some degree of congestive heart failure and likely has coronary arterial disease. Any of these individually or in combination with each other can lead to cardiac arrhythmias that can result in sudden cardiac arrest.
If I were him, I would walk away from this lifestyle, start a damn vegan diet, exercise moderately and undergo whatever interventional cardiology procedures (coronary artery bypass grafting, angioplasty w/ stenting or even a rotational Atherectomy) can be had to give my heart a fighting chance.
I know of a number of IFBB pros from the northeastern circuit that are right this moment having to question their past decisions in undertaking this "sport" as a career.
READ THIS CLEARLY: THIS LIFESTYLE ISN'T WORTH DYING FOR.
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Its ridiculous that these guys, because of instagram, etc - are blasting all this crap all year, all the time. They are freaking insane and retarded.
We all get the same feed on the gram, FB, etc. That dude Nick Walker? WTF - and then you have Dave or others defending him? Or Nick's S&P who I generally like? They are all promoting this stupidity 24/7.
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Its ridiculous that these guys, because of instagram, etc - are blasting all this crap all year, all the time. They are freaking insane and retarded.
We all get the same feed on the gram, FB, etc. That dude Nick Walker? WTF - and then you have Dave or others defending him? Or Nick's S&P who I generally like? They are all promoting this stupidity 24/7.
its sadly the culture we are in.. i genuinely think people get the dopamine release from seeing likes and follows.
Because everyone is so readily available doing YT and podcast you have to be in shape year round otherwise the view and $ go down the toilet
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Cars are very important in SoCal. People can only afford to rent a room but own 2 cars and a ninja.
I hadn't realised. Apparently you need good taste in jewellery too...
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By the end of the year there aren't going to be any bodybuilders left.
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LOOKING AT THIS VIDEO AND FREAKING LARGE HE WAS ,PRO CARD DIDNT MATTER,,,LIVING THE LIFE LARGER THAN LIFE AND NOW HE HAS A BURNT OUT HEART.NOW WHAT???
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Skinny people live longer- just a fact.
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He used to claim natural. Now he's crying about steroids.
He had a 100% blocked artery.
Blames steroids and Top Ramen in prison.
He doesn't blame steroids in this video for his heart condition. He claims it's all because of the years of poor eating. When they're preaching how to get big they all (mostly all) say that you have to eat big to get big. They never admit that it's the steroids that gave them their huge muscles nor do they blame the steroids for their poor health afterwards. DENIAL is not a river in Egypt!!
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By the end of the year there aren't going to be any bodybuilders left.
hope so, I might win a show next year...
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Skinny people live longer- just a fact.
Bodybuilders have inverted beliefs to reality. They (we) say a person has great genetics when really they have terrible genetics for longevity and bad genetics for people who will live to 100.
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He doesn't blame steroids in this video for his heart condition. He claims it's all because of the years of poor eating. When they're preaching how to get big they all (mostly all) say that you have to eat big to get big. They never admit that it's the steroids that gave them their huge muscles nor do they blame the steroids for their poor health afterwards. DENIAL is not a river in Egypt!!
And not specifically the eating for BB - he's clearly trying to steer the blame for this on what he was 'forced' to eat to get big when he was 'forced' to go to prison 5 times
So in a way, it's society's fault for imprisoning armed robbers - gotcha ;)
And unrelated, but there's a load of dick-lickers in his comment section - I have never been more tempted to set up a burner YouTube account to sling some shit in all my life!!! ;D
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And not specifically the eating for BB - he's clearly trying to steer the blame for this on what he was 'forced' to eat to get big when he was 'forced' to go to prison 5 times
So in a way, it's society's fault for imprisoning armed robbers - gotcha ;)
And unrelated, but there's a load of dick-lickers in his comment section - I have never been more tempted to set up a burner YouTube account to sling some shit in all my life!!! ;D
I do this on Youtube, Twitter and Quora everyday.
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he seems like a nice dude on camera but putting it into perspective,,
too much bodyweight/even though its muscle he was still huge
eating and eating to get there
steroids
other drugs to get in shape as well diuretics,fat burners
then supps which didnt he go on camera and basically put water into the preworkout can and drink it like a mega dose how many yrs did he do that on top of it all.
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Worth it, bros...totally worth it.
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hope so, I might win a show next year...
You won't even have to diet. Just show up.
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Bodybuilders have inverted beliefs to reality. They (we) say a person has great genetics when really they have terrible genetics for longevity and bad genetics for people who will live to 100.
So true- I had a great grandmother who lived to 97- 5 feet tall and weighted probably 90 pounds her whole life. Great genetics, haha.
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So true- I had a great grandmother who lived to 97- 5 feet tall and weighted probably 90 pounds her whole life. Great genetics, haha.
My grandfather was fat, ate meat at every meal and sweets at night. Drank like a fish until age 40 and smoked cigs until 50. Lived to 104.
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Who cares. Guys a loser.
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The modern, low saturated fat, highly refined carb diet is a killer.
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He could have done it the healthier way and took steroids, but Kali, the armed robbin, crack slangin, gang bangin, white wife havin guy, was too principled and did it the hard way: pounding down kilos of hyphy cake and hyphy mud made from prison commissary junk food.
If the prison gave him access to grass-fed sources of protein, clean carbs and healthy fats, he'd still be healthy.
So you believe that as long as you eat healthy foods that you can take all the steroids gh etc you want and no matter how big you get from them you will still remain healthy?
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I don't know anything about his personal medical history. But judging off the fact that he needs to wear a LifeVest, something tells me this guy isn't doing well at all. That LifeVest (wearable defibrillator) literally shocks your heart back into proper rhythm when certain markers go off (If you heart goes into Ventricular Tachycardia, Ventricular Fibrillation or Supraventricular Tachycardia). If this guy is already at the point of wearing a LifeVest, there's a high likelihood that he might need what's called an Automatic Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator (AICD).
I am guessing that this guy has had a few heart attacks during these most recent years, suffers from some degree of congestive heart failure and likely has coronary arterial disease. Any of these individually or in combination with each other can lead to cardiac arrhythmias that can result in sudden cardiac arrest.
If I were him, I would walk away from this lifestyle, start a damn vegan diet, exercise moderately and undergo whatever interventional cardiology procedures (coronary artery bypass grafting, angioplasty w/ stenting or even a rotational Atherectomy) can be had to give my heart a fighting chance.
I know of a number of IFBB pros from the northeastern circuit that are right this moment having to question their past decisions in undertaking this "sport" as a career.
READ THIS CLEARLY: THIS LIFESTYLE ISN'T WORTH DYING FOR.
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This is usually used as a bridge to ICD. With a 100% blocked left main he needs some recovery time to see if the stent will hold or bypass will be necessary. If he is also in heart failure a biventricular pacemaker will be implanted. One may assume he had left ventricular hypertrophy which puts him at risk for an arrhythmia of some kind.
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This is usually used as a bridge to ICD. With a 100% blocked left main he needs some recovery time to see if the stent will hold or bypass will be necessary. If he is also in heart failure a biventricular pacemaker will be implanted. One may assume he had left ventricular hypertrophy which puts him at risk for an arrhythmia of some kind.
It's just not worth it.
When I look at the extremes these guys will place their bodies in for the social media benefits/sponsorships, it's just not worth it.
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So true- I had a great grandmother who lived to 97- 5 feet tall and weighted probably 90 pounds her whole life. Great genetics, haha.
Yeah but she probably never spent a decade in prison eating garbage.
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So true- I had a great grandmother who lived to 97- 5 feet tall and weighted probably 90 pounds her whole life. Great genetics, haha.
Did she even lift?
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My grandfather was fat, ate meat at every meal and sweets at night. Drank like a fish until age 40 and smoked cigs until 50. Lived to 104.
Did he even lift?
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He doesn't blame steroids in this video for his heart condition. He claims it's all because of the years of poor eating. When they're preaching how to get big they all (mostly all) say that you have to eat big to get big. They never admit that it's the steroids that gave them their huge muscles nor do they blame the steroids for their poor health afterwards. DENIAL is not a river in Egypt!!
He did talk about "dat juice, winnies, vars all dat" in his first video.
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Skinny people live longer- just a fact.
Being "overweight" be it fat of muscle, shortens your lifespan.
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Yeah but she probably never spent a decade in prison eating garbage.
No- she never spent a day in the Big House, lol. She did live through the Great Depression and the food shortages of WWII, if that counts.
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Did she even lift?
She was a world ranked powerlifter.
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Living an unhealthy life style increases the risk of health problems drastically. Will it effect all? Hell no. We have smokers that live past 80. Is smoking a risk for cancer and heart disease? Hell yes.
Bodybuilding could be the healthiest hobby anyone could do but it's now an activity based on drug use. No drugs and I bet the Olympia would be held in a high school auditorium for an audience of 150 people. Imaging lifting, doing cardio and eating right how it would benefits your health minus drugs?
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I don't know anything about his personal medical history. But judging off the fact that he needs to wear a LifeVest, something tells me this guy isn't doing well at all. That LifeVest (wearable defibrillator) literally shocks your heart back into proper rhythm when certain markers go off (If you heart goes into Ventricular Tachycardia, Ventricular Fibrillation or Supraventricular Tachycardia). If this guy is already at the point of wearing a LifeVest, there's a high likelihood that he might need what's called an Automatic Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator (AICD).
I am guessing that this guy has had a few heart attacks during these most recent years, suffers from some degree of congestive heart failure and likely has coronary arterial disease. Any of these individually or in combination with each other can lead to cardiac arrhythmias that can result in sudden cardiac arrest.
If I were him, I would walk away from this lifestyle, start a damn vegan diet, exercise moderately and undergo whatever interventional cardiology procedures (coronary artery bypass grafting, angioplasty w/ stenting or even a rotational Atherectomy) can be had to give my heart a fighting chance.
The first obvious step would be a cardioversion, it's the procedure we've all seen in movies where they put the pads on the heart and shock the hearts sinus rhythm back into order. A more permanent solution would be an ablation, which is effective for arrhythmias most of the time. The vest thing would probably be if Kali did not want to go through those procedures for some reason, or if it was to buy time while an ablation or cardioversion is being scheduled. But congestive heart failure AND multiple heart attacks WITH arrhythmia, which I went over in a different post are different things, and all three means his heart is in BAD shape. A pacemaker might be implanted. The vest thing is a bit gimmicky and really not a first line treatment. To wear it means he is at high risk for sudden cardiac arrest or a stroke. The lifestyle HAS to end if he is to live.
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I don't know anything about his personal medical history. But judging off the fact that he needs to wear a LifeVest, something tells me this guy isn't doing well at all. That LifeVest (wearable defibrillator) literally shocks your heart back into proper rhythm when certain markers go off (If you heart goes into Ventricular Tachycardia, Ventricular Fibrillation or Supraventricular Tachycardia). If this guy is already at the point of wearing a LifeVest, there's a high likelihood that he might need what's called an Automatic Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator (AICD).
I am guessing that this guy has had a few heart attacks during these most recent years, suffers from some degree of congestive heart failure and likely has coronary arterial disease. Any of these individually or in combination with each other can lead to cardiac arrhythmias that can result in sudden cardiac arrest.
If I were him, I would walk away from this lifestyle, start a damn vegan diet, exercise moderately and undergo whatever interventional cardiology procedures (coronary artery bypass grafting, angioplasty w/ stenting or even a rotational Atherectomy) can be had to give my heart a fighting chance.
I know of a number of IFBB pros from the northeastern circuit that are right this moment having to question their past decisions in undertaking this "sport" as a career.
READ THIS CLEARLY: THIS LIFESTYLE ISN'T WORTH DYING FOR.
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It's too late at this point. Most of the damage is done. Plus, eating all that crappy food when he was younger (particularly while incarcerated) certainly didn't help matters. He was from the school of thinking that the only way to get big without anabolics (especially when low on cash) was to eat mega-calories any way possible. Kali credits that to how he got fairly large before he started using pharmaceuticals.
On another note, there's a difference between being a professional bodybuilder in general and an IFBB pro. A number of guys have (and still do) make a good living in the bodybuilding world, without ever stepping foot on an IFBB stage or getting that supposedly coveted IFBB pro card.
And it isn't because of the internet. This was happening in the 80s and early/mid 90s, when the internet was in its infancy. How many folks here remember guys like Frank Sepe, Joe Bucci, Gerard Dente, Rick Valente, etc. They made their living in bodybuilding without ever getting that precious IFBB pro card. Kali Muscle is in a similar boat.
Then there are guys who were more famous chasing their pro cards and coming up the ranks than they ever were, once they actually turned pro. Dennis Newman, Paul Demayo, Greg Kovacs, Mat Duvall, Mike Platz, etc. All those guys got supplement deals (Parillo Performance, MET-Rx, MuscleTech, etc) and plenty of press en route to turning pro....only to do ZILCH once they got them cards.
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Living an unhealthy life style increases the risk of health problems drastically. Will it effect all? Hell no. We have smokers that live past 80. Is smoking a risk for cancer and heart disease? Hell yes.
Bodybuilding could be the healthiest hobby anyone could do but it's now an activity based on drug use. No drugs and I bet the Olympia would be held in a high school auditorium for an audience of 150 people. Imaging lifting, doing cardio and eating right how it would benefits your health minus drugs?
You're not that far off. Here's the Natural Mr. Universe being held in a hotel conference room, probably in front of TENS of people, all for $1000-winner-take-all prize money (which is what Schwarzenegger got for winning the Mr. Olympia 40 years ago).
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You're not that far off. Here's the Natural Mr. Universe being held in a hotel conference room, probably in front of TENS of people, all for $1000-winner-take-all prize money (which is what Schwarzenegger got for winning the Mr. Olympia 40 years ago).
And that’s not even natural.
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On the positive side his youtube channel is getting some views again. Almost dying or faking your death is always a smart move if your goal is to get attention ;D
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And that’s not even natural.
LOL
Not even close.
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This is usually used as a bridge to ICD. With a 100% blocked left main he needs some recovery time to see if the stent will hold or bypass will be necessary. If he is also in heart failure a biventricular pacemaker will be implanted. One may assume he had left ventricular hypertrophy which puts him at risk for an arrhythmia of some kind.
I almost never see stenting for left main disease, wonder why they didn't go for emergent grafting from the jump
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The first obvious step would be a cardioversion, it's the procedure we've all seen in movies where they put the pads on the heart and shock the hearts sinus rhythm back into order. A more permanent solution would be an ablation, which is effective for arrhythmias most of the time. The vest thing would probably be if Kali did not want to go through those procedures for some reason, or if it was to buy time while an ablation or cardioversion is being scheduled. But congestive heart failure AND multiple heart attacks WITH arrhythmia, which I went over in a different post are different things, and all three means his heart is in BAD shape. A pacemaker might be implanted. The vest thing is a bit gimmicky and really not a first line treatment. To wear it means he is at high risk for sudden cardiac arrest or a stroke. The lifestyle HAS to end if he is to live.
what is cardioversion and/or ablation gonna do for an occluded vessel?
Life vest is not 'gimmicky', its life saving bridge therapy
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I only watched a tiny part of one of this clowns videos in my life....couldn`t bear to sit through the whole thing.
I don`t ever wish death on anyone that doesn`t deserve it.....and a lot of scum out there do deserve to die that`s for sure and I`m still not wishing any harm to him in this case...I just dont give two fucks about this cat....not one fucking iota of sympathatic feelings stir inside me.
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I almost never see stenting for left main disease, wonder why they didn't go for emergent grafting from the jump
I think it was probably not really a left main occlusion. If someone had a heart attack from an occluded left main (not the same thing as the left anterior descending) then they probably wouldn't even make it to the hospital. I think it is more likely that there is some confusion in communication about which artery it really was.
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He could have done it the healthier way and took steroids, but Kali, the armed robbin, crack slangin, gang bangin, white wife havin guy, was too principled and did it the hard way: pounding down kilos of hyphy cake and hyphy mud made from prison commissary junk food.
If the prison gave him access to grass-fed sources of protein, clean carbs and healthy fats, he'd still be healthy.
So you believe that as long as you eat healthy foods that you can take all the steroids gh etc you want and no matter how big you get from them you will still remain healthy?
Dude - you might want to check the batteries in your sarcasm-detector... ;D
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I think it was probably not really a left main occlusion. If someone had a heart attack from an occluded left main (not the same thing as the left anterior descending) then they probably wouldn't even make it to the hospital. I think it is more likely that there is some confusion in communication about which artery it really was.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. Now I admit the only other Kali video I recall watching before these was the one where he threatened the MMA guy with a knife after he was thrown out of Golds Gym, but unless this is an act, he comes across as a bit of a moron not really getting the science-y side if things. Cultural considerations aside, he uses words like 'vasio-isolater' and 'equatiquated'
Like I say, it may be an act - if that's so then fair play to him - but if it's not, then confusion over the cardiovascular system is hardly surprising
In terms of why they may not be operating on him immediately, he's got another video up - which, granted I haven't watched - where he's selling all his supercars. So perhaps he just needs time to raise the money? I can't imagine that sort of intervention is cheap - anyone care to enlighten me on this please?
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what is cardioversion and/or ablation gonna do for an occluded vessel?
Life vest is not 'gimmicky', its life saving bridge therapy
What's a life vest going to do for an occluded vessel? It's not a procedure for an occluded vessel. Its for an arrhythmia, a possible sign of heart failure. Heart failure is a whole separate issue from a heart attack, which comes from blocked vessels. And yes, a life vest is generally worn until a more permanent solution such as an ablation and/or cardioversion or pacemaker is decided upon. It monitors the heart rhythm, and tries to regulate it, and will go off if tachycardia occurs, again, NOTHING to do with blocked vessels.
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Living an unhealthy life style increases the risk of health problems drastically. Will it effect all? Hell no. We have smokers that live past 80. Is smoking a risk for cancer and heart disease? Hell yes.
Bodybuilding could be the healthiest hobby anyone could do but it's now an activity based on drug use. No drugs and I bet the Olympia would be held in a high school auditorium for an audience of 150 people. Imaging lifting, doing cardio and eating right how it would benefits your health minus drugs?
And that’s not even natural.
That would be a lousy ROI (return of investment), using anabolics for a cash prize of $1000 (if you win) and virtually no press. I was a big a collector of muscle magazines and viewer of American Muscle as one could be back in the 90s. And I don't recall this show being covered at all.
IFBB pro Josh Lenartowicz mentioned that when he competed in a natural world championship show, it was in a half-empty auditorium. He said it was deflating for him, seeing such little interest in the event.
And didn't he almost kick the bucket a couple of years ago?
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That would be a lousy ROI (return of investment), using anabolics for a cash prize of $1000 (if you win) and virtually no press. I was a big a collector of muscle magazines and viewer of American Muscle as one could be back in the 90s. And I don't recall this show being covered at all.
IFBB pro Josh Lenartowicz mentioned that when he competed in a natural world championship show, it was in a half-empty auditorium. He said it was deflating for him, seeing such little interest in the event.
And didn't he almost kick the bucket a couple of years ago?
He did indeed - IIRC - while undergoing surgery for a tumour somewhere on his head (that had nothing to do with GH accelerating it) I believe he had some sort of incident problem on the operating table while he was under (that was nothing to do with his size or heart function)
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I should be careful what I say though, there's a GetBigger that always springs to his defence when I poke fun in the direction of Mr Lenartowicz...
3,2,1...
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What's a life vest going to do for an occluded vessel? It's not a procedure for an occluded vessel. Its for an arrhythmia, a possible sign of heart failure. Heart failure is a whole separate issue from a heart attack, which comes from blocked vessels. And yes, a life vest is generally worn until a more permanent solution such as an ablation and/or cardioversion or pacemaker is decided upon. It monitors the heart rhythm, and tries to regulate it, and will go off if tachycardia occurs, again, NOTHING to do with blocked vessels.
In terms of why they may not be operating on him immediately, he's got another video up - which, granted I haven't watched - where he's selling all his supercars. So perhaps he just needs time to raise the money? I can't imagine that sort of intervention is cheap - anyone care to enlighten me on this please?
Sometimes the heart can be weakened from the blockage but improve after the stent is placed. It may take weeks for that to happen. If the heart recovers he may not need the defibrillator. The lifevest is worn until it is known if recovery will take place. Most insurances will not cover the defibrillator until a few weeks have passed after a heart attack or a bypass.
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That would be a lousy ROI (return of investment), using anabolics for a cash prize of $1000 (if you win) and virtually no press. I was a big a collector of muscle magazines and viewer of American Muscle as one could be back in the 90s. And I don't recall this show being covered at all.
IFBB pro Josh Lenartowicz mentioned that when he competed in a natural world championship show, it was in a half-empty auditorium. He said it was deflating for him, seeing such little interest in the event.
And didn't he almost kick the bucket a couple of years ago?
He was also the one who found Dallas McCarver dead. The guy just can't catch a break
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What's a life vest going to do for an occluded vessel? It's not a procedure for an occluded vessel. Its for an arrhythmia, a possible sign of heart failure. Heart failure is a whole separate issue from a heart attack, which comes from blocked vessels. And yes, a life vest is generally worn until a more permanent solution such as an ablation and/or cardioversion or pacemaker is decided upon. It monitors the heart rhythm, and tries to regulate it, and will go off if tachycardia occurs, again, NOTHING to do with blocked vessels.
Kali has atherosclerosis which can lead to a stroke or arteriosclerosis if he doesn't wake the fk up!
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That would be a lousy ROI (return of investment), using anabolics for a cash prize of $1000 (if you win) and virtually no press. I was a big a collector of muscle magazines and viewer of American Muscle as one could be back in the 90s. And I don't recall this show being covered at all.
Yeah, but that John Hansen guy used the "Natural Mr O" title to heavily promote himself for years. You can monetize the credibility of competing. And competing in "natural" shows is a great cover for people who are trying to present themselves as natural to people who don't know any better.
Also, 5th place in classic and physique olympia is $2000, so clearly not about the money for gearheads either.
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He was also the one who found Dallas McCarver dead. The guy just can't catch a break
He’s getting ready to compete or packing on the size again.
As per His IG
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWSXYF3AiA0/?utm_medium=copy_link
He should be dead soon
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LOOKING AT THIS VIDEO AND FREAKING LARGE HE WAS ,PRO CARD DIDNT MATTER,,,LIVING THE LIFE LARGER THAN LIFE AND NOW HE HAS A BURNT OUT HEART.NOW WHAT???
didnt you hear the man? we all gonna die
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What I don't understand is if one of his main arteries was 100% blocked why didn't they perform a by pass on him
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What I don't understand is if one of his main arteries was 100% blocked why didn't they perform a by pass on him
He may have been in systolic heart failure, hence the edema, and if he had an ejection fraction in the 10% area, the risk of surgery might be greater than the benefits. People with systolic heart failure don't live long, and there is no cure. It's a completely separate issue from the heart attack. Stroke is a major risk. They probably gave him some beta blockers, told him to drop weight, cut sodium, and see if the medications and lifestyle changes will make his heart stronger, perhaps strong enough to risk an invasive surgery. But if you COMBINE a heart attack with heart failure, and then the tachycardia, as he kept mentioning "my heart goin fast again", this is a very deadly combination. Heart patients often die within months of surgery. There is only so much the heart can take. The best possible scenario is that he had heart failure secondary to anabolic steroids, which doctors are debating whether that can be reversible as there are cases of people recovering. But he HAS to go off gear to have a slim chance. It's not just LVH and cholesterol, there are all sorts of androgen receptors in the heart that cause cardiac remodeling they are still learning about. Guys over 40, please be careful with gear. I speak from experience I may share sometime to help. But I don't ever want to hate on steroids and believe they can be done responsibly.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25335124/
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Yeah, but that John Hansen guy used the "Natural Mr O" title to heavily promote himself for years. You can monetize the credibility of competing. And competing in "natural" shows is a great cover for people who are trying to present themselves as natural to people who don't know any better.
Also, 5th place in classic and physique olympia is $2000, so clearly not about the money for gearheads either.
That's 5th place, not first place. But, even that is at the Olympia.
For that Natural Universe win in 1996, Hansen got $1000 and virtually no press in a conference room that had hundreds of people (maybe).
I don't even know what Hansen got for his "Natural Olympia" win in 1998. Aside from a brief, and I stress....BRIEF, stint with MuscleTech, Hansen wasn't exactly raking in the dough. He won $50,000 in a before/after promotion (gotta look into the archives for that one ;D ).
The last time I checked anything about money or prizes at show, it was when Kiyoshi Moody won that funky little green car that looks like a juice box for my son's lunch. That was in the late 2000s, I think.
It makes my point. People whine about how unhealthy bodybuilders and that they're all drugs on one hand. On the other, they don't even attempt to support drug-tested/natural shows and push the mindset of not even bothering to touch a weight without syringes in tow.
So, you either have to look like garbage or an emaciated twig with abs, to have some folks believe you are a natural bodybuilder.
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didnt you hear the man? we all gonna die
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Inherintly small black dude eating and training like a Scandinavian Viking lol. Thinks he has the constitution of a horse but he doesn't. Dead pool.
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But if you COMBINE a heart attack with heart failure, and then the tachycardia, as he kept mentioning "my heart goin fast again", this is a very deadly combination. Heart patients often die within months of surgery. There is only so much the heart can take. The best possible scenario is that he had heart failure secondary to anabolic steroids, which doctors are debating whether that can be reversible as there are cases of people recovering. But he HAS to go off gear to have a slim chance.
Bottom line
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My grandfather was fat, ate meat at every meal and sweets at night. Drank like a fish until age 40 and smoked cigs until 50. Lived to 104.
Yep, genetics.
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That's 5th place, not first place. But, even that is at the Olympia.
For that Natural Universe win in 1996, Hansen got $1000 and virtually no press in a conference room that had hundreds of people (maybe).
I don't even know what Hansen got for his "Natural Olympia" win in 1998. Aside from a brief, and I stress....BRIEF, stint with MuscleTech, Hansen wasn't exactly raking in the dough. He won $50,000 in a before/after promotion (gotta look into the archives for that one ;D ).
The last time I checked anything about money or prizes at show, it was when Kiyoshi Moody won that funky little green car that looks like a juice box for my son's lunch. That was in the late 2000s, I think.
It makes my point. People whine about how unhealthy bodybuilders and that they're all drugs on one hand. On the other, they don't even attempt to support drug-tested/natural shows and push the mindset of not even bothering to touch a weight without syringes in tow.
So, you either have to look like garbage or an emaciated twig with abs, to have some folks believe you are a natural bodybuilder.
Dude didnt you defend Mike OHearns natural status?
And now your argument is guys competing in natural contests are using because the prize money isnt worth it?
Mcway people use drugs and never step on stage or enter a powerlifting meet. Your local gym can have a bench press contest with zeor prize money and juiced up dudes will enter just to say they are one of the best benches in the area.
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Dude didnt you defend Mike OHearns natural status?
And now your argument is guys competing in natural contests are using because the prize money isnt worth it?
Mcway people use drugs and never step on stage or enter a powerlifting meet. Your local gym can have a bench press contest with zeor prize money and juiced up dudes will enter just to say they are one of the best benches in the area.
My argument/point was agreeing with Oldtimer, who made the comment that the Mr. Olympia would be held in half-filled high school auditoriums if the competitiors weren’t taking anabolics.
Exhibit A was the 1996 Natural Mr. Universe (ABA, I think), held in a hotel conference room in front of a few dozen people, for $1000....only for the winner.
I’m fully aware that people use steroids and never step onstage. Very few do so at a natural show, especially knowing they will even less press than the guys you mentioned at a local bench press contest.
A handful do; there is that INBA “Wall of Shame” of guys who get popped and banned for life from that organization’s shows.
If you want healthy (or at least, healthier) bodybuilding, this notion that you can’t take a Zumba class without a steroid stack needs to cease.
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My argument/point was agreeing with Oldtimer, who made the comment that the Mr. Olympia would be held in half-filled high school auditoriums if the competitiors weren’t taking anabolics.
Exhibit A was the 1996 Natural Mr. Universe (ABA, I think), held in a hotel conference room in front of a few dozen people, for $1000....only for the winner.
I’m fully aware that people use steroids and never step onstage. Very few do so at a natural show, especially knowing they will even less press than the guys you mentioned at a local bench press contest.
A handful do; there is that INBA “Wall of Shame” of guys who get popped and banned for life from that organization’s shows.
If you healthy (or at least, healthier) bodybuilding, this notion that you can’t take a Zumba class without a steroid stack needs to cease.
I apologize. I misunderstood your point.
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My argument/point was agreeing with Oldtimer, who made the comment that the Mr. Olympia would be held in half-filled high school auditoriums if the competitiors weren’t taking anabolics.
If you want healthy (or at least, healthier) bodybuilding, this notion that you can’t take a Zumba class without a steroid stack needs to cease.
I don't know, man... I think return on investment in a bodybuilding show is a different issue than there being a public interest in natural fitness. My point with the classic olympia prize money is that the return on investment as a professional fitness competitor is not great for the vast majority and that's always been the case. 90% of the guys who compete in non-tested shows are spending way more during prep than naturals, have no realistic shot at placing above 4th or 5th and most people on this bodybuilding board probably couldn't name a competitor out of the top 5 by sight.
I also don't think drug-free fitness begins and ends with stage competitions. Kali- the person this thread is about- was known most for being a social media figure and there are tons of other successful social media fitness personalities who are drug free (or, at least, limit their drug use enough that claiming natty status is not completely laughable.) Will Tenyson, Athlean-X , Jeff Nippard (debatable?), Zac Perna, Sean Nalawany are incredibly popular.
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That's 5th place, not first place. But, even that is at the Olympia.
For that Natural Universe win in 1996, Hansen got $1000 and virtually no press in a conference room that had hundreds of people (maybe).
I don't even know what Hansen got for his "Natural Olympia" win in 1998. Aside from a brief, and I stress....BRIEF, stint with MuscleTech, Hansen wasn't exactly raking in the dough. He won $50,000 in a before/after promotion (gotta look into the archives for that one ;D ).
The last time I checked anything about money or prizes at show, it was when Kiyoshi Moody won that funky little green car that looks like a juice box for my son's lunch. That was in the late 2000s, I think.
It makes my point. People whine about how unhealthy bodybuilders and that they're all drugs on one hand. On the other, they don't even attempt to support drug-tested/natural shows and push the mindset of not even bothering to touch a weight without syringes in tow.
So, you either have to look like garbage or an emaciated twig with abs, to have some folks believe you are a natural bodybuilder.
John also had a monthly magazine column for Iron Man Magazine that I would bet paid fairly well,because I got $400.00 just for a random article that I submitted some year back.....just saying.
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John also had a monthly magazine column for Iron Man Magazine that I would bet paid fairly well,because I got $400.00 just for a random article that I submitted some year back.....just saying.
Bhank said he got $700.00 for his article. Not trying to start shit or anything. ;D
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Bhank said he got $700.00 for his article. Not trying to start shit or anything. ;D
Can you post Bhanky's article? I want to learn.
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My nikka
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That's 5th place, not first place. But, even that is at the Olympia.
For that Natural Universe win in 1996, Hansen got $1000 and virtually no press in a conference room that had hundreds of people (maybe).
I don't even know what Hansen got for his "Natural Olympia" win in 1998. Aside from a brief, and I stress....BRIEF, stint with MuscleTech, Hansen wasn't exactly raking in the dough. He won $50,000 in a before/after promotion (gotta look into the archives for that one ;D ).
The last time I checked anything about money or prizes at show, it was when Kiyoshi Moody won that funky little green car that looks like a juice box for my son's lunch. That was in the late 2000s, I think.
It makes my point. People whine about how unhealthy bodybuilders and that they're all drugs on one hand. On the other, they don't even attempt to support drug-tested/natural shows and push the mindset of not even bothering to touch a weight without syringes in tow.
So, you either have to look like garbage or an emaciated twig with abs, to have some folks believe you are a natural bodybuilder.
Haven’t heard that name for awhile, kiyoshi moody was in the hospital last year fighting for his life according to him. Not sure bbing related
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Haven’t heard that name for awhile, kiyoshi moody was in the hospital last year fighting for his life according to him. Not sure bbing related
I think he was diagnosed with cancer. If I remember correctly, his mother died of cancer before he won one of his titles and he dedicated his win to her.
Speaking of the man I called "Kevin Levrone on crack"....
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Interesting find here, the 1992 ABA Natural Mr. Universe.
If I'm not mistaken, that's future NPC national lightweight champion and IFBB pro, Kris Dim, posing against Hansen for the overall.
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Yep! Just like this.. :D