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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Gym-Rat on January 18, 2022, 08:36:29 AM
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theres a weird guy running around the web, promoting his books "vinces secret fart-locker"
some routines are decent enough
his 'bench-press to the neck' is flat-out dumb though
as is "barbell drag curls" "dumbbell kickbacks" (can be replaced)
workout structure seems ok
https://liftvault.com/programs/bodybuilding/vince-gironda-8x8-6x6-workout-routine-spreadsheets/
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theres a weird guy running around the web, promoting his books "vinces secret fart-locker"
some routines are decent enough
his 'bench-press to the neck' is flat-out dumb though
as is "barbell drag curls" "dumbbell kickbacks" (can be replaced)
workout structure seems ok
https://liftvault.com/programs/bodybuilding/vince-gironda-8x8-6x6-workout-routine-spreadsheets/
he was a character..db kick backs were probably a staple he used for the ladies or actresses he trained lol...i tried bench to neck on the smith on and off for yrs its tough on shoulders and if you go to heavy your fukked...if you stay light on it say a 45 per side on a smith backend of workout it might be worth the try..
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Dumbbell kickbacks are not a bad exercise for the triceps after you've done your heavy pressing.
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Dumbbell kickbacks are not a bad exercise for the triceps after you've done your heavy pressing.
Heterosexuals beg to differ.
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Bench to neck will crush your upper chest . If you have shoulder problems its not for you . Also need to keep the reps in the 10 to 12 range .
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=158432.0
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Heterosexuals beg to differ.
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Dumbbell kickbacks are not a bad exercise for the triceps after you've done your heavy pressing.
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We had a Gym Rat before on GB. But I think this one should be ignored...... >:(
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We had a Gym Rat before on GB. But I think this one should be ignored...... >:(
i had to reset my acct good dr.
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Gironda had a lot of great programs and ideas. Hollywood actors trained with him for a reason.
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Gironda had a lot of great programs and ideas. Hollywood actors trained with him for a reason.
He did
just like all people he also had a few bonehead ones
no squats, bench to neck, etc
a jm press to the neck is ok maybe thats what he meant
but with flared elbows, not good for shoulders
vince was off his rocker but so are most bodybuilders
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He did
just like all people he also had a few bonehead ones
no squats, bench to neck, etc
a jm press to the neck is ok maybe thats what he meant
but with flared elbows, not good for shoulders
vince was off his rocker but so are most bodybuilders
No weighted back squats so that his bodybuilders didn't build a big ass.
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I have to say band kickbacks feel absolutely amazing and and give a massive pump at end of workout. I love them. Dumbbell kickbacks not so much, gotta have constant tension.
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I have to say band kickbacks feel absolutely amazing and and give a massive pump at end of workout. I love them. Dumbbell kickbacks not so much, gotta have constant tension.
Wouldn’t mind giving those a try. Did db kickbacks for the first time in a while at the end of my triceps workout and hate that lack of tension during the negative. Cables feel good, but I’ll try the band. Thanks, iron brother
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No weighted back squats so that his bodybuilders didn't build a big ass.
I get it
he didnt take kindly to fat-asses (like arnold)
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I get it
he didnt take kindly to fat-asses (like arnold)
Arnold's maid:
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I get it
he didnt take kindly to fat-asses (like arnold)
Do you work?
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Don’t knock tricep kickbacks >:( >:(
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We had a Gym Rat before on GB. But I think this one should be ignored...... >:(
Definitely do not confuse the original (me) with any of the other knock-offs. ;D
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Look at those grins...They can't keep a straight face.
Sorry, brother. I could not resist because that picture video clip was just too freakin' funny! Thanks!
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The guy was way ahead of his time, specifically in regards to nutrition.
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I've used 6x6, 8x8 and 10x10 over the years that Gironda suggested. Though 10x10 may not be an original concept by him, it had been used before by others. I call that Square Root training. Some Olympic/PL'er use 3x3, though not Vince related. Most always gotten good results.
All pretty much one exercise per body part, same weight the whole time. Remembering that it's the amount of rep's preforms in a total exercise period, not the sets. 8x8=64 reps, 6x6=36 reps, etc. Also a good pace is important. 60 seconds or less between sets. Can be SS'ed (opposite muscle groups), in some cases.
If new to 8x8 & 10 x 10 it may take a lot of mental adjustments when going through that kind of training, it can be demanding mentally as well as physically. . Not so much the 6x6 or even 5x5 (Bill Star)
Gironda favored "V" bar dips over BB benches. Testing with different hand positions, even the knee position. .. That bench to the upper chest/neck was a lighter bar movement, with almost a collar to collar grip. This is when a good spotter is of prime importance. Gironda was going for that pec delt tie in. Larry Scott a good example.
Good Luck
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Just my view only
May not want to do any serious benching on a Smith Machine. That fixed straight line of motion can take away from the natural pressing path. Causing undo tension on the joints and muscle inserts. More so when trying benches to the upper chest/neck. Not against the Smith Machine, but it can have it's design flaws when certain heavier exercise are preformed on it, including squats.
When using a 105lb DB, you may discover the benefits of triceps kickback's. Can also do the laying version.
Good Luck.
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Crazy how every different set and rep and range is treated like some kind of advanced new training theory around here
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Crazy how every different set and rep and range is treated like some kind of advanced new training theory around here
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Like you said, its all been done a million times over. It boils down to intensity & dedication and the love of training (sticking with it for decades).
Properly structured routines, rest, food, sleep, patience.
Most write out a fancy routine, enter the gym, sit right down on a bench with their phone, and fake their way thru a "workout".
Most girls out-work the "men" these days.
Again, social-media created a new breed of gym-idiots.
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Like you said, its all been done a million times over. It boils down to intensity & dedication and the love of training (sticking with it for decades).
Properly structured routines, rest, food, sleep, patience.
Most write out a fancy routine, enter the gym, sit right down on a bench with their phone, and fake their way thru a "workout".
Most girls out-work the "men" these days.
Again, social-media created a new breed of gym-idiots.
There are entire books written on the 5X5 powerlifting theory like it's a completely different theory to do 5 sets of 5 instead of any other arbitrary number of sets and reps and exercises
https://www.t-nation.com/training/the-new-5x5/
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Crazy how every different set and rep and range is treated like some kind of advanced new training theory around here
Why not 7 X 7 or 9 X 9?
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Why not 7 X 7 or 9 X 9?
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:D
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Bench to neck will crush your upper chest . If you have shoulder problems its not for you . Also need to keep the reps in the 10 to 12 range .
The bench to neck 90 degree elbow is a bodybuilder style press powerlifters will do a belly bounce arms 45 degrees. I agree it is a shoulder killer was all I did for years and why I wound up with overdeveloped shoulders that needed surgery and underdeveloped chest. But Cutler still does these high neck presses you can't use as much weight. You just need to be aware it is a different movement and not try and match your powerlifting buddy bouncing the weight of his sternum. If I could start over I would have found a happy medium between the two which is what I try and do now.
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8) 8)
Like you said, its all been done a million times over. It boils down to intensity & dedication and the love of training (sticking with it for decades).
Properly structured routines, rest, food, sleep, patience.
Most write out a fancy routine, enter the gym, sit right down on a bench with their phone, and fake their way thru a "workout".
Most girls out-work the "men" these days.
Again, social-media created a new breed of gym-idiots.
Haha I noticed this exact thing at gym I go to. It’s full of scrawny little fags wandering around doing half arsed sets of shit in between talking and playing on their phone yet Almost all the lasses there who aren’t old and/or fat train hard and seriously, harder than 95% of the blokes there. Maybe more
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The most improvements I ever saw with my legs was doing a set/rep scheme of 10 sets of 20 reps (full depth squats)
Using the same weight (2 min rest)
The most I used was 100kg (Total workout time 30min)
Brutal :-X