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So I've been on trt for a few years and my numbers have been high end of normal, like 800-900 range, chatting with my doc about trying to increase it even more, obviously he could only prescribe me 200mg test a week, but he said to break up the shots, instead of 1cc weekly shot, do half cc twice a week and break up the arimidex half tab twice a week days after injection. Been doing this strategy for 5 months and just got my labs back and test levels dramatically increased. Thought I'd share this with fellow Getbiggers who are on trt. Only downside is more needles/2 shots a week.
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Brutal if true
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So I've been on trt for a few years and my numbers have been high end of normal, like 800-900 range, chatting with my doc about trying to increase it even more, obviously he could only prescribe me 200mg test a week, but he said to break up the shots, instead of 1cc weekly shot, do half cc twice a week and break up the arimidex half tab twice a week days after injection. Been doing this strategy for 5 months and just got my labs back and test levels dramatically increased. Thought I'd share this with fellow Getbiggers who are on trt. Only downside is more needles/2 shots a week.
How do you feel? I suspect you could lower the arimidex dose since you are breaking up the test dosage. You estradiol is pretty low although still technically in range.
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actually its a very old well-known way to do trt
but glad you got it figured out
is the AI really needed though? have you gotten bloods done without it?
most on real trt wont need an AI
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Since your test level is now out of range, will your doc lower the test dose to bring you back within range?
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How do you feel? I suspect you could lower the arimidex dose since you are breaking up the test dosage. You estradiol is pretty low although still technically in range.
I feel good, strong, great energy, great libido, I was shocked at the estrogen level, going to keep it at half a tab for awhile.
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actually its a very old well-known way to do trt
but glad you got it figured out
is the AI really needed though? have you gotten bloods done without it?
most on real trt wont need an AI
I'm on prescription trt under doctors supervision, my estrogen has always been in mid range prior to this experiment, so I'm going to cut the dose to half a tab for a few months and wait till my next set of lab work.
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Since your test level is now out of range, will your doc lower the test dose to bring you back within range?
he actually hasn't said anything so I guess I'm ok, if anything I'll tell him I took a shot a day prior to the labs, because he recommends getting labs done 4 days after last injection.
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Drop the AI. HTH
Your labs are probably different because you tested closer to the injection time with the bi weekly injection. Bi weekly injections is the minimum frequency norm in TRT for those in the know
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Some are claiming high normal levels from just 10mg per day. Many forumites claim daily shots just feels better, in a good way.
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Drop the AI. HTH
Your labs are probably different because you tested closer to the injection time with the bi weekly injection. Bi weekly injections is the minimum frequency norm in TRT for those in the know
I actually waited 4 days to see how this protocol worked out.
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Some are claiming high normal levels from just 10mg per day. Many forumites claim daily shots just feels better, in a good way.
I heard that as well, my doc won't prescribe me test prop.
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I actually waited 4 days to see how this protocol worked out.
Really? Interesting. I wouldn’t think it would affect your levels that much. You were doing 100mg/week and then went to 50mg/twice a week, right?
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Why not use another compound?
Trt Enth I am looking for another shot by day 5-6. I always felt behind.
Trt sust I can go 2 weeks without a shot and be ok then catch-up at home.
1ml sust once every fortnight works great if I am over pinning weekly.
Sust was used for trt decades ago and people loved it. Today people use 5 day esters and complain they don’t feel good.
I think that’s how all this BS about trt being 250-400/wk started. Dudes are using a short life compound with the wrong pinning schedule. It’s super simple, short ester = more frequency.
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I will actually take time off when I need legs and glutes to work. Ideally you want to go at least twice a week. However sometimes I will go a week if not lifting and doing other stuff. I really can’t feel a difference. I actually feel best if I take a week off.
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So I've been on trt for a few years and my numbers have been high end of normal, like 800-900 range, chatting with my doc about trying to increase it even more, obviously he could only prescribe me 200mg test a week, but he said to break up the shots, instead of 1cc weekly shot, do half cc twice a week and break up the arimidex half tab twice a week days after injection. Been doing this strategy for 5 months and just got my labs back and test levels dramatically increased. Thought I'd share this with fellow Getbiggers who are on trt. Only downside is more needles/2 shots a week.
Are your levels really higher or did you just take a shot closer to the testing date. You don’t need any armidex just an expensive ancillary they are selling you. You are actually better off without it.
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I heard that as well, my doc won't prescribe me test prop.
No, they only use Test E like this. Test E is much "quicker" than internet charts say. Levels supposedly peak within a day, maybe it was even 12 hours, forgot. Subq shots too for maximum ease.
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No, they only use Test E like this. Test E is much "quicker" than internet charts say. Levels supposedly peak within a day, maybe it was even 12 hours, forgot. Subq shots too for maximum ease.
i have gotten bloods done many times a year
ive used sub-q and inter-muscular
never saw a difference in my test-levels
so yup, sub-q is fine as well
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I use 500mg of TE weekly and only a .5mg of a-dex and my estradiol is always in the 30’s which is good. You’re using too much a-dex.
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Still haven`t started my TRT but that`s the exactly way I plan on doing it minus the Arimidex.....fifty mgs. twice per week and adjust if I feel the need.
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Really? Interesting. I wouldn’t think it would affect your levels that much. You were doing 100mg/week and then went to 50mg/twice a week, right?
200mg a week, test e, just broke up the shots 2 shots of 100mg a week, 1mg armidex broken to half a tab twice a week.
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Are your levels really higher or did you just take a shot closer to the testing date. You don’t need any armidex just an expensive ancillary they are selling you. You are actually better off without it.
they are higher, like I said I wanted to see the difference so I waited 4 days from my last pin to get tested. The arimidex was needed at 1mg at least due to my previous labs the last few years, but now I'm definitely cutting the dose to half a tab, or go a few weeks without it.
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200mg a week, test e, just broke up the shots 2 shots of 100mg a week, 1mg armidex broken to half a tab twice a week.
Hmmm I don’t see how it’s possible to be in the 800-900 range when injecting 200mg and doing labs a few days later. That’s a whopping dose for TRT. The conversion is nearly double the natural testosterone of a naturally elite producer
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Hmmm I don’t see how it’s possible to be in the 800-900 range when injecting 200mg and doing labs a few days later. That’s a whopping dose for TRT. The conversion is nearly double the natural testosterone of a naturally elite producer
Everyone metabolizes differently I think. For me 120mgs put me at 1215 day after inj. On day 7 I was at 706.
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Everyone metabolizes differently I think. For me 120mgs put me at 1215 day after inj. On day 7 I was at 706.
yup
ive seen tons of bloods from different trt and anabolic users
a very normal rule for many is the 5x rule.
5x 200 mg = 1000 total test
of course like abe says, everyone is a bit different
but the 5x rule always applies to me when I test at least (and many others)
been doing 150 milligrams a week (1/2 a cc split, as I have some 300 mg test right now).
always between 700-800 total for me (5x 150 mg = 750 total)
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You should stop TRT when you past 50.
Anabolism is accelerating aging process by
increasing cellular renewal and.therefore many
forms of Cancers.
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Everyone metabolizes differently I think. For me 120mgs put me at 1215 day after inj. On day 7 I was at 706.
True. I wonder what his SHBG is
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You should stop TRT when you past 50.
Anabolism is accelerating aging process by
increasing cellular renewal and.therefore many
forms of Cancers.
nah, not legit trt
will get just as sick having zero testosterone and withering away as well
so there's that
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How about your lipid profile? Is it within range?
Isn't blood thickening a long term side effect of "high end" level of TRT?
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I’ve been doing it this way for years. Half Monday, half Sunday .. or thereabouts. I’ve tried pinning everyday but it was just too much of a hassle and I wouldn’t stay consistent for longer than a week or two. I can believe that it works better but I’m just not willing to put in the effort ;D
Also get a large gauge insulin pin and do it subq, harpooning your muscles every week for years on end is just barbaric. 27-28ga insulin pin works a treat
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How about your lipid profile? Is it within range?
Isn't blood thickening a long term side effect of "high end" level of TRT?
Blood thickening doesn't seem to happen to the same degree in everone. I know when I used to do high juice my hematocrit was still normal range. Then others get to alarming levels at 100mg a week. I haven't researched it but there are various schools of thought on what should be done about high HCT and what numbers are acceptable. Some say bloodletting should never be done.
Lipid skewing is kind of the same thing. Testosterone does something to cholesterol transport that may be protective even with "bad" numbers so the numbers don't tell the whole story. I haven't really researched this deeply either.
Also get a large gauge insulin pin and do it subq, harpooning your muscles every week for years on end is just barbaric. 27-28ga insulin pin works a treat
When I tried subq I used that gauge. Used detachable needles and syringes so it was easier to load with a big pin, instead of backloading which is a bitch.
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How about your lipid profile? Is it within range?
Isn't blood thickening a long term side effect of "high end" level of TRT?
it could be for many
many it does not affect at
blood-work a few times a year is a must
at 1/2 a cc a week for the last 5 years, I have some of the best blood-work ive ever had.
everything in perfect range
calcium score, stress-test, stress-echo, etc
had it all done
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How about your lipid profile? Is it within range?
Isn't blood thickening a long term side effect of "high end" level of TRT?
Your doctor will Rx you monthly blood donations if your hematocrit gets too high. Nothing to worry about. AAS users should be donating anyway.
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Your doctor will Rx you monthly blood donations if your hematocrit gets too high. Nothing to worry about. AAS users should be donating anyway.
In my country hormonized blood from bodybuilders is not accepted.
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In my country hormonized blood from bodybuilders is not accepted.
In my country, blood from gays, HIV+, or incarceration for more than 72 consecutive hours during the previous 12 months is not accepted. But if they (and you) get a Rx from your doctor the blood clinics can still perform phlebotomy on you. They just have to destroy the blood afterwards. They can not use it or sell it.
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I’m prescribed 200mg of cyp a week.
I give my self daily shots of a little less that 15 units..when doing this I have never needed an AI, there are no peaks and valleys. And my numbers are always at least a thousand.
I also do my hcg this way.
Check out this thread…
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/10-mg.142864/
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Your doctor will Rx you monthly blood donations if your hematocrit gets too high. Nothing to worry about. AAS users should be donating anyway.
There are some experts who claim donating does more harm than good. I spoke to a top endocrinologist who admitted there's little evidence donating reduces the risk of whatever, "but we do it anyway because we just don't like to see high numbers."
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In my country, blood from gays, HIV+, or incarceration for more than 72 consecutive hours during the previous 12 months is not accepted. But if they (and you) get a Rx from your doctor the blood clinics can still perform phlebotomy on you. They just have to destroy the blood afterwards. They can not use it or sell it.
I'm sure the answer is blindingly obvious, but for the life of me I can't figure out the reason for that third category of exclusion? ???
Can someone please put a stupid man out of his misery and explain why that one is in there?
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I'm sure the answer is blindingly obvious, but for the life of me I can't figure out the reason for that third category of exclusion? ???
Can someone please put a stupid man out of his misery and explain why that one is in there?
They are at high risk for infectious diseases.
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There are some experts who claim donating does more harm than good. I spoke to a top endocrinologist who admitted there's little evidence donating reduces the risk of whatever, "but we do it anyway because we just don't like to see high numbers."
Thick blood is never ok.
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How about your lipid profile? Is it within range?
Isn't blood thickening a long term side effect of "high end" level of TRT?
It’s why you pop some baby aspirin every night..lifters should be doing it anyways
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My Endo always told me to shoot my Test C every 3-4 days. Says it's more stable in your system.
Also, he asks me to do my blood work 3-4 days post injection.
Never used AI's.
I've donated blood twice a year for almost two decades. Not for health reasons but just because it's a good thing to do.
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I’m prescribed 200mg of cyp a week.
I give my self daily shots of a little less that 15 units..when doing this I have never needed an AI, there are no peaks and valleys. And my numbers are always at least a thousand.
I also do my hcg this way.
Check out this thread…
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/10-mg.142864/
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Minor ed doses is the way to go, blood serum levels are more stable/consistent and the same for estro levels.
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How about your lipid profile? Is it within range?
Isn't blood thickening a long term side effect of "high end" level of TRT?
my lipids are all fine, if my rbc gets too high then my doc would tell me to donate, but it came back fine.
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Hmmm I don’t see how it’s possible to be in the 800-900 range when injecting 200mg and doing labs a few days later. That’s a whopping dose for TRT. The conversion is nearly double the natural testosterone of a naturally elite producer
previous lab work
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I’m prescribed 200mg of cyp a week.
I give my self daily shots of a little less that 15 units..when doing this I have never needed an AI, there are no peaks and valleys. And my numbers are always at least a thousand.
I also do my hcg this way.
Check out this thread…
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/10-mg.142864/
Bench
Emeric Delczeg approach.
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Emeric Delczeg approach.
The man is right..I just double the dose using the same principles
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