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Title: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Gym-Rat on May 01, 2022, 01:43:06 AM

Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Marty Champions on May 01, 2022, 06:14:49 AM

falling asleep listening to that liberal
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2022, 08:01:04 AM
falling asleep listening to that liberal

He's not a liberal but he is a proven liar

He's a right wing con man that used to be on Fox News until he was forced to flee the country due to the collapse of his Ponzi scheme.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/fox-news-clayton-morris-lawsuits-fox-friends-fraud-real-estate-20190716.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Morris
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 01, 2022, 08:02:48 AM
He's not a liberal but he is a proven liar

He's a right wing con man that used to be on Fox News until he was forced to flee the country due to the collapse of his Ponzi scheme.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/fox-news-clayton-morris-lawsuits-fox-friends-fraud-real-estate-20190716.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Morris

And there you have it.  A simple Google search would have exposed this for anyone who cared enough to verify it.
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2022, 08:10:28 AM


Why are you sharing Russian propaganda on this board

If you want to tell us how much you love Putin then just say that rather than trying to be coy by promoting his lies

If you actually believe this then you've been fooled

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/

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The Azov battalion, which has about 1,000 members, represents a small minority of the overall Ukrainian military. As the BBC reported, the Ukrainian armed forces number some 250,000, and the National Guard — of which Azov is a part — has around 50,000 members.

And some say the ultra-nationalist, neo-Nazi leanings of the Azov regiment have become less prevalent. In 2015, a spokesman for the Azov brigade told USA Today that 10% to 20% of the group’s members are Nazis. The leader of the Azov regiment, Biletsky, has since left to start a political party. And while there are still some far-right ties remaining in the unit, there have also been a flow of new recruits “who mostly are not there because of the regiment’s ideology, but because of its reputation as a particularly tough fighting unit,” Andreas Umland, an analyst at the Stockholm Centre for Eastern European Studies at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs, told us in a Skype interview.

American officials, however, remain wary of the group. For several years, U.S. appropriations bills have specifically prohibited military aid from going to Azov. For example, on March 10, the Senate finalized a spending bill that provides $13.6 billion in new aid for Ukraine but specifically states, “None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide arms, training, or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.”

Russian claims about neo-Nazi influence in Ukraine did not begin just prior to the invasion of Ukraine this year. Putin and other Russian officials have been characterizing Ukrainians as neo-Nazi fascists since Russia invaded Crimea eight years ago, Tabarovsky said.

“There has been an intensive campaign of demonization,” Tabarovsky told us. And, she said, referencing Nazism has “a certain resonance for Putin’s core supporters in Russia” because “there is a national historical memory formed around World War II and the victory over Nazis. It is a strong part of the [Russian] national identity.”

Umland, an expert in Ukrainian nationalism who until recently was based in Kyiv, agreed.

“The primary reason that the Kremlin is doing this is because the defeat of the Nazis is the high point of modern Russian history,” Umland said. “It is a major reference point for the Russian national identity. ‘We secured the victory over Hitler’ — is a principal source of Russian pride.”

Putin’s propaganda cherry-picks the problematic parts of Ukrainian civil society and government, Umland said.

“Far right extremists do exist in Ukraine,” he said. “The Ukrainians are not a nation of angels.” But Russian propaganda “gives the altogether minor Ukrainian right-wing extremist groups a disproportionate political relevance as an allegedly dominant phenomenon. In principle, you can do something like that with any country, make minor problematic aspects look salient and demonize every country of the world.”

“It’s a fairly obvious and rather successful political-psychological trick to justify the war among ordinary Russians,” Umland said.
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 01, 2022, 09:51:44 AM
How embarrassed do you think Putin is to lose his flagship during a land war with a country that doesn't even have a Navy?
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2022, 10:24:00 AM
How embarrassed do you think Putin is to lose his flagship during a land war with a country that doesn't even have a Navy?

Russia has lost ~ 500+ tanks

Russian have spent the majority of this war committing war crimes (attacking civilian targets, raping, pillaging, etc..)



Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Rusty Trombone on May 01, 2022, 10:26:32 AM

Russian have spent the majority of this war committing war crimes (attacking civilian targets, raping, pillaging, etc..)


Good times!
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: tommywishbone on May 01, 2022, 12:53:12 PM
Party in Ukraine!🎈🎈🎈🎈
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: epic is back on May 01, 2022, 12:55:40 PM
And there you have it.  A simple Google search would have exposed this for anyone who cared enough to verify it.

simple google search

truth!!

facts!!

because google isnt biased


millenials will sink this country
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Dave D on May 01, 2022, 02:51:54 PM
Russia has lost ~ 500+ tanks

Russian have spent the majority of this war committing war crimes (attacking civilian targets, raping, pillaging, etc..)



The same soldiers who were calling home saying they thought they were on a military training session and telling their parents they were afraid of war are now raping civilians?
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: epic is back on May 01, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
i would love for the draft to come back

or if letting illegals in they must serve to get citizenship

85 percent of the armed forces under age 25 are the bottom of thr barrel people

they are either dumb as a rock or want to kill


but it aint a video game

you have to actually carry the weapons snd ammo

Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: pamith on May 01, 2022, 05:36:54 PM
Brutal if true
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Marty Champions on May 01, 2022, 05:50:24 PM
He's not a liberal but he is a proven liar

He's a right wing con man that used to be on Fox News until he was forced to flee the country due to the collapse of his Ponzi scheme.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/fox-news-clayton-morris-lawsuits-fox-friends-fraud-real-estate-20190716.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Morris
read that wiki link seems complicated but not sure what the scamming part was
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Marty Champions on May 01, 2022, 05:52:32 PM
And there you have it.  A simple Google search would have exposed this for anyone who cared enough to verify it.
i actually clicked it fegg
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Matt on May 01, 2022, 05:59:55 PM
And some say the ultra-nationalist, neo-Nazi leanings of the Azov regiment have become less prevalent. In 2015, a spokesman for the Azov brigade told USA Today that 10% to 20% of the group’s members are Nazis.

This is hilarious to me..."only" 10-20% are literal neo-Nazis.

Here in the West, we get called neo-Nazis for literally factually pointing to disproportionately high levels of Black crime, but Ukraine has actual neo-Nazis.

Can you blame them though?

One Jewish Bolshevik - Lazar Kaganovich - starved six million Ukrainians in the Holodomor. Ukraine spent decades under the boot of communism, and unbeknownst to Western leftists, Jews were massively overrepresented in communism [at least early on - this switched in the 1960's, as many Jews made the exodus from the USSR].

This little fact about the ethnic overrepresentation among Jews in communism wasn't exactly a secret in Europe in the early to mid 20th century.

After the Holodomor, can we really be shocked that some Ukrainians are neo-Nazis?

If there are Jews who are Stalinists, would anyone blame them? WWII wasn't some conflict of Germany versus the world. It wouldn't have happened at all if not for communism creeping into Europe like it did.

It's amazing to me that Americans sent their children to be killed by Germans fighting in WWII, only to send their children to be killed fighting communists in the Vietnam War which wouldn't have even existed if Germany had been allowed to wipe them out.

But hey, it's not like global communist forces murdered 100+ million people in the 20th century, and entrapped a BILLION people in its ideology during its peak.  ::)

“None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide arms, training, or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.”

And how do we know this?

Out of curiosity, is it the new liberal/Democrat thing to warmonger for WWIII?

How much money has been sent to Ukraine? I read one source that said $31B. I've seen different figures pop up. Not to be used for weapons - lol.
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Marty Champions on May 01, 2022, 06:08:06 PM
do most jews avoid paying taxes to the federal government?
This is hilarious to me..."only" 10-20% are literal neo-Nazis.

Here in the West, we get called neo-Nazis for literally factually pointing to disproportionately high levels of Black crime, but Ukraine has also neo-Nazis.

Can you blame them though?

One Jewish Bolshevik - Lazar Kaganovich - starved six million Ukrainians in the Holodomor. Ukraine spent decades under the boot of communism, and unbeknownst to Western leftists, Jews were massively overrepresented in communism [at least early on - this switched in the 1960's, as many Jews made the exodus from the USSR].

This little fact about the ethnic overrepresentation among Jews I communism wasn't exactly a secret in Europe in the early to mid 20th century.

After the Holodomor, can we really be shocked that some Ukrainians are neo-Nazis?

If there are Jews who are Stalinists, would anyone blame them? WWII wasn't some conflict of Germany versus the world. It wouldn't have happened at all if not for communism creeping into Europe like it did.

It's amazing to me that Americans sent their children to be killed by Germans fighting in WWII, only to send their children to be killed fighting communists in the Vietnam War which wouldn't have even existed if Germany had been allowed to wipe them out.

But hey, it's not like global communist forces murdered 100+ million people in the 20th century, and entrapped a BILLION people in its ideology during its peak.  ::)

And how do we know this?

Out of curiosity, is it the new liberal/Democrat thing to warmonger for WWIII?
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Matt on May 01, 2022, 06:14:55 PM
do most jews avoid paying taxes to the federal government?

Not that I'm aware of - I would assume any group with an above average IQ is better at finding tax loopholes, etc, but I don't know of any trend like that.

Something like 87% of Jews voted Democrat in 2008, but took a turn against Obama in 2012 [likely for throwing Israel under the bus], and I read that the number of Jews voting for Obama 2 dropped to 71%.

So it would seem to me that Jews disproportionately vote for Democrat, in contrast to their immediate economic interests.

That's contrary to Jews in Israel, who are much more nationalistic. But that's how it goes for everyone - people vote in favour of their immediate political interests.

What I don't understand is how people can KEEP voting Democrat, in light of the absolute batshit insane policies they currently support.

How can any Getbigger see no problem with voting for a party which can't comprehend the KINDERGARTEN [COP] statement "Boys have a penis, girls have a [fishy] vagina"?  ??? ??? ???

I just don't understand this. We have an [almost] 80-year-old dementia patient as president, and this is the rational choice?  ???

Enjoy your $10 gallons of gas, and upcoming food scarcity issues, I guess.  :-\

I don't take biology lessons from anyone with a freckled, shit-stained knot:
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2022, 06:22:13 PM
This is hilarious to me..."only" 10-20% are literal neo-Nazis.

Here in the West, we get called neo-Nazis for literally factually pointing to disproportionately high levels of Black crime, but Ukraine has also neo-Nazis.

Can you blame them though?

One Jewish Bolshevik - Lazar Kaganovich - starved six million Ukrainians in the Holodomor. Ukraine spent decades under the boot of communism, and unbeknownst to Western leftists, Jews were massively overrepresented in communism [at least early on - this switched in the 1960's, as many Jews made the exodus from the USSR].

This little fact about the ethnic overrepresentation among Jews I communism wasn't exactly a secret in Europe in the early to mid 20th century.

After the Holodomor, can we really be shocked that some Ukrainians are neo-Nazis?

If there are Jews who are Stalinists, would anyone blame them? WWII wasn't some conflict of Germany versus the world. It wouldn't have happened at all if not for communism creeping into Europe like it did.

It's amazing to me that Americans sent their children to be killed by Germans fighting in WWII, only to send their children to be killed fighting communists in the Vietnam War which wouldn't have even existed if Germany had been allowed to wipe them out.

But hey, it's not like global communist forces murdered 100+ million people in the 20th century, and entrapped a BILLION people in its ideology during its peak.  ::)

And how do we know this?

Out of curiosity, is it the new liberal/Democrat thing to warmonger for WWIII?

How much money has been sent to Ukraine? I read one source that said $31B. I've seen different figures pop up. Not to be used for weapons - lol.

I guess maybe you've forgotten the Cold War

Russia is our adversary likely even our enemy (by "our" I'm referring to the United States and NATO).
Ukraine is our ally.

Russia has no legitimate claim to attack Ukraine
 
In fact Russia is violating an agreement that they (and the US) signed with Ukraine in 1994 at the time that Ukraine gave up their nukes:   ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

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The memorandum prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons

And the fact is that Russia's so called war is nothing more than an ongoing terrorist attack on mostly civilians and civilian targets.



Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2022, 06:26:29 PM
Good times!

Party in Ukraine!🎈🎈🎈🎈

I'm sure you two will enjoy these photos

Hopefully someone you care about is there in Ukraine to enjoy the "party" and the "good times"

Sorry I don't have any rape photos for you but you two seem like the kind of guys that probably already have  those kinds of photos in your own personal library

Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: epic is back on May 01, 2022, 06:57:18 PM
Are you proud of joe straw?
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2022, 07:53:00 PM
Are you proud of joe straw?

Am I supposed to be able to read your mind ?

Do you have something specific to which you are referring?

BTW - this thread was started with a video by a con-man passing along Russian propaganda

Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 01, 2022, 08:04:54 PM
Why are you sharing Russian propaganda on this board

If you want to tell us how much you love Putin then just say that rather than trying to be coy by promoting his lies

If you actually believe this then you've been fooled

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/

Quit with your “factcheck.org” bullshit. No wonder why you’re an idiot and wrong 99.99% of the time
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 01, 2022, 08:07:51 PM
I guess maybe you've forgotten the Cold War

Russia is our adversary likely even our enemy (by "our" I'm referring to the United States and NATO).
Ukraine is our ally.

Russia has no legitimate claim to attack Ukraine
 
In fact Russia is violating an agreement that they (and the US) signed with Ukraine in 1994 at the time that Ukraine gave up their nukes:   ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

And the fact is that Russia's so called war is nothing more than an ongoing terrorist attack on mostly civilians and civilian targets.

Fuckin one bullshit source after another. Do you ever get tired of getting kicked in the….balls?

Bottom line, if it wasn’t for the fake Biden administration and the installed “President” (Obama) himself, we wouldn’t even be talking about this. This guy is sending billions in military aid to cover his own ass so he wont be outted anymore than him and his crackhead son have already been
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Earl1972 on May 01, 2022, 08:25:14 PM
He's not a liberal but he is a proven liar

He's a right wing con man that used to be on Fox News until he was forced to flee the country due to the collapse of his Ponzi scheme.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/fox-news-clayton-morris-lawsuits-fox-friends-fraud-real-estate-20190716.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Morris

you are right but you forgot one thing, he voted for joe biden and told his viewers to vote joe biden

E
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Super Natural on May 02, 2022, 01:40:47 AM
Strawman's first day on the front line with the Ukrainian militia in Mariupol  :D

Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Super Natural on May 02, 2022, 02:15:58 AM
I guess maybe you've forgotten the Cold War

Russia is our adversary likely even our enemy (by "our" I'm referring to the United States and NATO).
Ukraine is our ally.

Russia has no legitimate claim to attack Ukraine
 
In fact Russia is violating an agreement that they (and the US) signed with Ukraine in 1994 at the time that Ukraine gave up their nukes:   ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

And the fact is that Russia's so called war is nothing more than an ongoing terrorist attack on mostly civilians and civilian targets.

*Putting on my black hat here*  

Speaking of the Cold War ( the United States and NATO)

Russia: "The US is our adversary likely even our enemy"
"Cuba is our ally"

"Cuba is a sovereign country, it should be allowed to arm itself with our help"

"The US had no legitimate claim to attack Cuba" 

Can you see how Russia would view the US as being hypocritical? Esp. after they blocked the 2015 Russia/Ukraine Minsk II agreement that could have prevented this war in Ukraine..Plus ignored the plight of the Ukrainian/Russian speaking people being persecuted for 8 years in the Donbas by their own government.
There is more history to this than just a random "Unprovoked terrorist attack" the media is spinning...

There has been a long proxy war between the US and RUSSIA (many parallels with the build up to the Vietnam war) except the roles are reversed as far as troops going in...

* Vietnam was a French colony, there was an independence war led by Ho Chi Minh (allied with Soviets and Chinese) which he won. There was a peace agreement dividing Vietnam into North and South, North under the Soviets, South Under France. Then there was an election. It was expected Ho Chi Minh would win. The USA and other western powers would not accept this.

Speaking of " ignoring Agreements" The US ignored the Geneva agreement then just like the Minsk agreement was ignored by them in Ukraine. Both of these agreements could have prevented these two wars.
 
The US set up a government in Vietnam (Zehme was installed) Zehme like the western puppet Zelensky became corrupt. The parallels are there. Both these US backed government took action to brutally crush their opposition in their own country (Ho Chi Minh supporters in the South Of Vietnam) and Zelensky regime has been working hard for 8 years to extinguish pro-Russian sentiment in the east, persecuting them, banning their language etc.
Eventually it became difficult to cope with this pressure so both appealed for help. (pro Russian in the Donbas appealed for help to Russia) like the South in Vietnam appealed for help to Ho Chi Minh in the North.
What we see is the same response from the West in both cases.

* Weapon system sent in vast numbers to Vietnam/Ukraine
* The advisers being sent to both countries
* When this doesn't work - increasing calls for intervention from the media, escalation, calls for action.

Realize the Hawks then and Neocons now DO NOT want peace...they actively mobilize to block negotiation.

Let’s hope sense prevails and there won’t be the same dynamic in Ukraine as there was in Vietnam (i.e. sending 500 000 troops) doesn't happen. The stakes this time are WAY bigger.
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 02, 2022, 02:39:37 AM
Not that I'm aware of - I would assume any group with an above average IQ is better at finding tax loopholes, etc, but I don't know of any trend like that.

Something like 87% of Jews voted Democrat in 2008, but took a turn against Obama in 2012 [likely for throwing Israel under the bus], and I read that the number of Jews voting for Obama 2 dropped to 71%.

So it would seem to me that Jews disproportionately vote for Democrat, in contrast to their immediate economic interests.

That's contrary to Jews in Israel, who are much more nationalistic. But that's how it goes for everyone - people vote in favour of their immediate political interests.

What I don't understand is how people can KEEP voting Democrat, in light of the absolute batshit insane policies they currently support.

How can any Getbigger see no problem with voting for a party which can't comprehend the KINDERGARTEN [COP] statement "Boys have a penis, girls have a [fishy] vagina"?  ??? ??? ???

I just don't understand this. We have an [almost] 80-year-old dementia patient as president, and this is the rational choice?  ???

Enjoy your $10 gallons of gas, and upcoming food scarcity issues, I guess.  :-\

I don't take biology lessons from anyone with a freckled, shit-stained knot:
LMAO!
Title: Re: The cover-up in Ukraine is getting worse
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 02, 2022, 04:23:34 AM
Not that I'm aware of - I would assume any group with an above average IQ is better at finding tax loopholes, etc, but I don't know of any trend like that.

Something like 87% of Jews voted Democrat in 2008, but took a turn against Obama in 2012 [likely for throwing Israel under the bus], and I read that the number of Jews voting for Obama 2 dropped to 71%.

So it would seem to me that Jews disproportionately vote for Democrat, in contrast to their immediate economic interests.

That's contrary to Jews in Israel, who are much more nationalistic. But that's how it goes for everyone - people vote in favour of their immediate political interests.

What I don't understand is how people can KEEP voting Democrat, in light of the absolute batshit insane policies they currently support.

How can any Getbigger see no problem with voting for a party which can't comprehend the KINDERGARTEN [COP] statement "Boys have a penis, girls have a [fishy] vagina"?  ??? ??? ???

I just don't understand this. We have an [almost] 80-year-old dementia patient as president, and this is the rational choice?  ???

Enjoy your $10 gallons of gas, and upcoming food scarcity issues, I guess.  :-\

I don't take biology lessons from anyone with a freckled, shit-stained knot:

What I don't understand is why people in other shit hole countries worry about how and who Americans vote for.  You can't fulfill the bare minimum parental duties to your multiple children or their mother(s) and yet you are worrying about what goes on in another country?