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But my favorite Joe Sullivan moment is this one:
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It wasn’t a record.
Plus, Tom was several years past retirement. He was NOT near his biggest and strongest.
Also, Platz’ reps are deeper.
This fella is extremely impressive, and his form very good, but he’s still a long way from the performance capabilities of a prime Eagle.
Just facts.
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It wasn’t a record.
Plus, Tom was several years past retirement. He was NOT near his biggest and strongest.
Also, Platz’ reps are deeper.
This fella is extremely impressive, and his form very good, but he’s still a long way from the performance capabilities of a prime Eagle.
Just facts.
Yup, agreed.
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Yup, agreed.
Platz told me that four weeks prior to the … 1985, I think? … Mr. Olympia, he squatted 635 for a set of 12.
Completely insane.
He told me, at his peak, he could nail a set of 10 with 600 on even a bad day.
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another bloated nerd with fatty liver who cant see on steroids
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It wasn’t a record.
Plus, Tom was several years past retirement. He was NOT near his biggest and strongest.
Also, Platz’ reps are deeper.
This fella is extremely impressive, and his form very good, but he’s still a long way from the performance capabilities of a prime Eagle.
Just facts.
Don't want to go look at Platz again but Joe had a bit of an excuse. Said if he had knee wraps on like Platz and a suit (?) he would have done at least 30 reps. If Tom had knee wraps that's a huge confounder and the two performances can't be compared at all. Joe should've just used wraps then, not come with excuses afterwards. However, and this is kinda hilarious and pathetic, they cut the sleeves off Joe with scissors lol. That can't be called using sleeves as they were meant to be used, especially if you act like they don't help at all.
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dash of the downs
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dash of the downs
LOL ;D
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Platz's record for comparison -
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Edit - not sure on the knee wraps, there's scant mention of him ever using using them online.
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Platz on knee wraps (bottom) -
"EXTRA HINTS
These hints can make your squatting more productive:
1) Wear tight sweat pants.
2) Wear high socks and use a lifting belt.
3) Use a lifting suit or tight fitting tank top over your jersey. This, along with items one and two enhances the tight, secure feeling that you must have in order to squat properly and successfully.
4) When training for power, have a high carbohydrate meal the night before heavy squats -- example, spaghetti.
5) When training for cuts, allow no rest between the reps and try to develop a rhythm.
6) Always approach the bar with confidence when training to absolute failure -- MEAN IT.
Do not think that you have to do all of the above. They are merely hints that you might want to consider.
I do not recommend wraps as I feel they create a dependency and promote injury. Strengthen your muscles, ligaments and joints without wraps."
Taken from - https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2022/01/tom-platz-leg-training-manual.html .
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My nikka
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Platz on knee wraps (bottom) -
"EXTRA HINTS
These hints can make your squatting more productive:
1) Wear tight sweat pants.
2) Wear high socks and use a lifting belt.
3) Use a lifting suit or tight fitting tank top over your jersey. This, along with items one and two enhances the tight, secure feeling that you must have in order to squat properly and successfully.
4) When training for power, have a high carbohydrate meal the night before heavy squats -- example, spaghetti.
5) When training for cuts, allow no rest between the reps and try to develop a rhythm.
6) Always approach the bar with confidence when training to absolute failure -- MEAN IT.
Do not think that you have to do all of the above. They are merely hints that you might want to consider.
I do not recommend wraps as I feel they create a dependency and promote injury. Strengthen your muscles, ligaments and joints without wraps."
Taken from - https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2022/01/tom-platz-leg-training-manual.html .
you should never try and go to absolute failure on squats, you will end up blowing your back out
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What is the purpose of this for a bodybuilder or a powerlifter?
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Platz's record for comparison -
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Edit - not sure on the knee wraps, there's scant mention of him ever using using them online.
Onion Head Kaz came out recently saying Tom used fake plates.
Kaz is like BHanks in that manner, never gives others credit, always patting himself on the back.
Dudes a retard.
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Onion Head Kaz came out recently saying Tom used fake plates.
Kaz is like BHanks in that manner, never gives others credit, always patting himself on the back.
Dudes a retard.
Kaz is a fcking psycho egomaniac. Just listen to any of his ramblings and you'll know. Platz squats where legit. It was a squatoff with Hatfield. Hatfield won for 1rm and Platz won for 525 for reps. Pretty sure Hatfield would have done better if it was fake plates.
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What is the purpose of this for a bodybuilder or a powerlifter?
There’s value in this type of thing for both. You know this. I know you do.
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you should never try and go to absolute failure on squats, you will end up blowing your back out
Over the span of 35 years I’ve gone to absolute failure more times than I can count.
Not once have I “(blown) my back out”.
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Kaz is a fcking psycho egomaniac. Just listen to any of his ramblings and you'll know. Platz squats where legit. It was a squatoff with Hatfield. Hatfield won for 1rm and Platz won for 525 for reps. Pretty sure Hatfield would have done better if it was fake plates.
Both men were shadows of their former selves. Size-/strength-wise.
I’m amazed Fred did as well as he did, truthfully.
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Over the span of 35 years I’ve gone to absolute failure more times than I can count.
Not once have I “(blown) my back out”.
you mean you maxed out at the bottom or did you finish the rep?
If you finished the rep thats not failure
The thing with squats is that your legs can lift way more than your low back, just look how much you can leg press compared to squat
You cant take your leg muscles to failure without risking losing form and as such your spine is the weak link
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so this guy got under a already bent bar
to make it look impressive?
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you mean you maxed out at the bottom or did you finish the rep?
If you finished the rep thats not failure
The thing with squats is that your legs can lift way more than your low back, just look how much you can leg press compared to squat
You cant take your leg muscles to failure without risking losing form and as such your spine is the weak link
Thanks. But I’ve completed 35 years of weekly squat sessions. I think I’m pretty OK in knowledge of the movement.
I’ve dumped, bailed and been saved in the deepest-knee-bend position with poundages ranging from 315 to 635.
Total, absolute and extreme failure.
Failure at reps ranging from one to 32 (315).
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But my favorite Joe Sullivan moment is this one:
Saw him training at Dragons Lair last year..dude is a beast
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There’s value in this type of thing for both. You know this. I know you do.
How? It doesn't do anything to make a powerlifter stronger on his 1 rep max and it doesn't build anymore muscle for a bodybuilder than conventional training. All this does is increase the chance of serious injury.
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Saw him training at Dragons Lair last year..dude is a beast
He's hysterical also. Ive heard him on a few lifting Podcasts. Great sense of humor.
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Platz told me that four weeks prior to the … 1985, I think? … Mr. Olympia, he squatted 635 for a set of 12.
Completely insane.
He told me, at his peak, he could nail a set of 10 with 600 on even a bad day.
Christ those poundages and reps are up there in the Hanky range...............insa ne.
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How? It doesn't do anything to make a powerlifter stronger on his 1 rep max and it doesn't build anymore muscle for a bodybuilder than conventional training. All this does is increase the chance of serious injury.
Please understand I’m not attacking you …
Wrong and wrong.
For the powerlifter, pushed rep/volume sets can very much improve tensile strength in supporting structures, dramatically improve trunk stability and toughen knee mechanics. Also, there is major psychological benefits, as well. And “capacity” betterment will serve its weight in gold come a peaking period.
For a bodybuilder, striving into uncharted time-under-tension/stress in the squat exercise with a heavy (relative) poundage adds MOUNTAINS of lean tissue, everywhere. This concept has been spoken about, by experts, to death, over the decades. And a great many champions will attest to this. Platz among them. For me, my muscular bodyweight has ALWAYS increased as a result of several weeks of concentrated effort to increase accumulated repetitions (well beyond standard 8, 10, 12 tradition) on a singular work set/session. My poundage for this has almost always been 315, 365 and 405.
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Looks a bit like bhanks in the face
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Please understand I’m not attacking you …
Wrong and wrong.
For the powerlifter, pushed rep/volume sets can very much improve tensile strength in supporting structures, dramatically improve trunk stability and toughen knee mechanics. Also, there is major psychological benefits, as well. And “capacity” betterment will serve its weight in gold come a peaking period.
For a bodybuilder, striving into uncharted time-under-tension/stress in the squat exercise with a heavy (relative) poundage adds MOUNTAINS of lean tissue, everywhere. This concept has been spoken about, by experts, to death, over the decades. And a great many champions will attest to this. Platz among them. For me, my muscular bodyweight has ALWAYS increased as a result of several weeks of concentrated effort to increase accumulated repetitions (well beyond standard 8, 10, 12 tradition) on a singular work set/session. My poundage for this has almost always been 315, 365 and 405.
I guess it's risk vs reward. The injury potential is very high and can end careers. Fux blew out both legs and Platz his bicep training in these extreme ways.
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Platz was such a weirdo, schmoe material posing and bending over for the schmoes to see his hamstrings in great detail
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Platz was such a weirdo, schmoe material posing and bending over for the schmoes to see his hamstrings in great detail
So what was the weird part?
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So what was the weird part?
The story about the Tom Platz wig
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The story about the Tom Platz wig
Those stories were schomerrific!
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I guess it's risk vs reward. The injury potential is very high and can end careers. Fux blew out both legs and Platz his bicep training in these extreme ways.
Fux never earned his strength (like all steroid users), and thus, his injury was entirely predictable. The overwhelming majority of such catastrophic injuries happen to gearheads. The reasons for this are several and very obvious.
Platz is one of my biggest early inspirations, and I love the guy, but, truthfully, a lot of his training tactics are simply stupid.
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Platz is one of my biggest early inspirations, and I love the guy, but, truthfully, a lot of his training tactics are simply stupid.
The exercise form is downright immature. A regular guy training like that would be thrown out a gym, or at least used to. I love the mental intensity though. The squat was text book though, beautiful.
Regarding reps, I read one of his training programs. It started at high reps then reduced the reps as the weeks went by and ended with a single. Then he would take a month off and just do high intensity bike rides, "this is when my legs would come out."
Current situation
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(His) exercise form is downright immature … The squat is text book, though. Beautiful.
Agreed.
I’ve worked out with the guy.
Tom’s fundamental squatting technique and execution is awesome.
But on a variety of other exercises? Oftentimes it borders on the absurd. It’s little wonder he tore his biceps.
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Fux never earned his strength (like all steroid users), and thus, his injury was entirely predictable. The overwhelming majority of such catastrophic injuries happen to gearheads. The reasons for this are several and very obvious.
Platz is one of my biggest early inspirations, and I love the guy, but, truthfully, a lot of his training tactics are simply stupid.
Almost all extreme lifters get hurt whether they be powerlifters or bodybuilders. How many surgeries did Louie Simmons have?
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Sub-200-lb powerlifter John Haack, squatting 507x14:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CekVfXItEs4/
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still not 525 for 23 with perfect form. Nobody else has done yet
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still not 525 for 23 with perfect form. Nobody else has done yet
According to Onion-Head Kaz, neither has Tom.
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still not 525 for 23 with perfect form. Nobody else has done yet
nobody has even approached his leg development either. Pro bodybuilding peaked decades ago
(https://i.redd.it/4y30vljdnc531.jpg)
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nobody has even approached his leg development either. Pro bodybuilding peaked decades ago
(https://i.redd.it/4y30vljdnc531.jpg)
The second photo is called “schmoe pose”.
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These guys must have horrendous hemorrhoids.
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These guys must have horrendous hemorrhoids.
I urge you to watch this video. ;D
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I've seen Holy muscle Ben Ogboke do 260kg for 12 on the squat
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I've seen Holy muscle Ben Ogboke do 260kg for 12 on the squat
What do you suppose Big Marty Ford does for squats?