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Title: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on July 28, 2022, 06:50:34 AM
Did Matt already send you penis photos on facebook messenger, primemuscle?


Please do not give Matt any ideas. I would rather not get more penis photos on Facebook messenger. If he wants to convince people here of his virility, he should post those in the adult sex thread.   
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscles please clear this up?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on July 28, 2022, 06:51:38 AM
if you did this matt, then i need to bump the "most gay thing ever done on getbig" thread, because this is right up there...
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscles please clear this up?
Post by: Taffin on July 28, 2022, 06:57:23 AM
if you did this matt, then i need to bump the "most gay thing ever done on getbig" thread, because this is right up there...

Yeah I just posted my thoughts on this right here

I think the photo is pretty clear. However, I could take a video of me measuring it directly.

None of this shit matters on Getbig though. You can post video evidence of anything, and get called out by people posting video evidence of nothing.

Now what we're on this topic - tell Getbig I blast loads like Peter North. Fuck, I blast bigger loads than Peter North.

Please confirm.

Not sure if I'm the only one that thinks this request is AS BENT AS FUCK!?

Matt - step back for a second and think about what you've done, and what you're asking...  :-X
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: mphgrove on July 28, 2022, 07:34:44 AM
Same ol, same ol. Nothing new: “getting big”
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: wes on July 28, 2022, 07:42:26 AM
Matt North  ;D
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Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 28, 2022, 08:24:58 AM
And yet others on Getbig have PMed me and asked me to take it easy on “Matty” ( 🙄 ) because he is handicapped and struggling with Covid shutdowns and raising his kids.

The last fucking thing that creepy fuck should be doing is raising children. For fuck’s sake, he is so fucked in the head he’s a Hitler apologist.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 28, 2022, 08:27:31 AM
And yet others on Getbig have PMed me and asked me to take it easy on “Matty” ( 🙄 ) because he is handicapped and struggling with Covid shutdowns and raising his kids.

The last fucking thing that creepy fuck should be doing is raising children. For fuck’s sake, he is so fucked in the head he’s a Hitler apologist.

Raising his kids?  He ain't raising shit.  Except excuses. 
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 28, 2022, 08:28:40 AM
Raising his kids?  He ain't raising shit.  Except excuses.

Well apparently he’s raising his dick and Primehomosexual’s hopes…
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 28, 2022, 08:47:28 AM
Mods, delete this thread.  I clicked on it and no photos of penises were shown.  What kind of clickbait bullshit is this?
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: wes on July 28, 2022, 09:26:35 AM
 :o

Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscles please clear this up?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 28, 2022, 09:33:22 AM
if you did this matt, then i need to bump the "most gay thing ever done on getbig" thread, because this is right up there...

Would place second
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: robcguns on July 28, 2022, 09:41:23 AM
Mods, delete this thread.  I clicked on it and no photos of penises were shown.  What kind of clickbait bullshit is this?

Hahahaha
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Kahn.N.Singh on July 28, 2022, 10:24:06 AM
Matt's pathological feelings of inadequacy have reached the farthest tip of the cockhead without gaining even Prime's imprimatur. Oh, to what opprobrious depths of disesteem has a nutting Canuck sunk.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Hypertrophy on July 28, 2022, 10:24:12 AM
Matt is gay. I thought this was well known?  Anyways he is a good kid with all his stories on here.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Flexacon on July 28, 2022, 11:23:49 AM
Mattard is basically getbigs Jason Genova


Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: G_Thang on July 28, 2022, 11:43:14 AM
Mods delete penis picks but allow for butthole picks in a rabbit suit and the '6'6'' junkie post his penis.  guess they are trying to clean up getbig degeneracy. is ron trying to make the site Disney-friendly for ad revenues finally?
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscles please clear this up?
Post by: GymnJuice on July 28, 2022, 12:32:33 PM
Would place second

Bunny suit first?
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on July 28, 2022, 12:33:47 PM
Prime said the video showed small hands and a small penis, but I looked at other pics and Matt does not have small hands, so I am calling BS Matt. I dont believe you sent a video of your own penor to Prime.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Griffith on July 28, 2022, 12:41:20 PM
Primemuscle is still traumatized.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 02:26:26 PM
Well apparently he’s raising his dick and Primehomosexual’s hopes…

Pa-lease!

My 'hope' is Matt never again sends me shit like that - meaning, the photo, video, and most of all the idiotic request.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscles please clear this up?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 28, 2022, 02:30:01 PM
Bunny suit first?

No, someone actually blew a guy to get attention.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: BB on July 28, 2022, 02:31:20 PM
Waiting for Matt to clear up these questions like -

.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 28, 2022, 02:36:32 PM
Pa-lease!

My 'hope' is Matt never again sends me shit like that - meaning, the photo, video, and most of all the idiotic request.

Settle down….you soggy old queer.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 02:37:25 PM
Did Matt already send you penis photos on facebook messenger, primemuscle?

No new ones thank goodness. I deleted the message including the photos. If you want copies of them, you'll have to ask Matt for them. LOL!
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 02:42:34 PM
Primemuscle is still traumatized.

I'll get over it.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 28, 2022, 02:43:28 PM
No new ones thank goodness. I deleted the message including the photos. If you want copies of them, you'll have to ask Matt for them. LOL!

You’re actually being a pretty good sport about this.

I can’t imagine the shock when you opened that message and clicked the video link.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Henda on July 28, 2022, 02:47:16 PM
Haha Jesus Christ this can’t be fucking real?
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 28, 2022, 02:53:07 PM
Haha Jesus Christ this can’t be fucking real?

What’s wrong with that Henda?

Just a couple of bros waxing the dolphin and sharing the videos.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Henda on July 28, 2022, 02:55:53 PM
What’s wrong with that Henda?

Just a couple of bros waxing the dolphin and sharing the videos.

Haha aye nowt wrong with that at all haha

Think I’m Just hoping this is a joke that Matt and orime come up with and this shit didn’t actually happen
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 02:57:48 PM
You’re actually being a pretty good sport about this.

I can’t imagine the shock when you opened that message and clicked the video link.

Yup! -mighty shocking. His request was an even bigger shock. And when I declined, that he went ahead and posted all about it in his thread.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 03:04:28 PM
What’s wrong with that Henda?

Just a couple of bros waxing the dolphin and sharing the videos.

Trust me, nothing about the video or the photo was a turn on... so no "dolphin waxing" on my end. Just Matt furiously waxing his.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 03:08:31 PM
Haha aye nowt wrong with that at all haha

Think I’m Just hoping this is a joke that Matt and orime come up with and this shit didn’t actually happen

If it's a joke, the joke is on Matt. Nothing about this seems the least bit funny to me. Matt will never live it down in a thousand years... probably because he'll still be going on about it like he does about other stuff. 
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Dave D on July 28, 2022, 03:22:03 PM
Serious question Prime, we all know this is beyond insane BUT prior to this did Matt do send you anything else weird during your 20 year acquaintance?
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: BB on July 28, 2022, 03:26:40 PM
Prime asserting dominance by not grading Matt's 6.45"/163.8mm/16.3cm/.179 yd schmeckle.

Prime wears the (orange) drawers in that relationship ;D.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TYcyhKmr/Jay-2-5-7-2013.jpg).
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: AbrahamG on July 28, 2022, 03:49:31 PM
Yup! -mighty shocking. His request was an even bigger shock. And when I declined, that he went ahead and posted all about it in his thread.

What was his request?  I somehow missed it.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 04:04:33 PM
Serious question Prime, we all know this is beyond insane BUT prior to this did Matt do send you anything else weird during your 20 year acquaintance?

No, not this level of weird. What is strange about our friendship is Matt and I could not be more dissimilar. We are almost politically opposite in our thinking; he is about as far to the right as someone can go and me being left of center. We've had multiple discussions about his racism, being a Nazi sympathizer and anti-Semitic.

There was a time long before he was jilted that he said he wanted to 'sire' an untold number of children like maybe in the hundreds. Thank goodness that didn’t happen. Can you imagine all those little Matts running around? That is a scary thought.

My feeling is that Matt has had a rough time lately, what with COVID and the isolation it has caused. I’m not sure how much, but the AAS is affecting his personality in a negative way. He is even more aggressive than usual and depressed as well. Maybe the one good thing in his life lately is that he’s back working out in a gym.

I’m not angry with him for this recent stunt or that he ignored my advice which was to let go of what was bothering him and ignore those who are trolling him. I truly believe he is a good person at heart, just way off center and unhappy. His stubbornness does not serve him well either.  Not too long ago, he seemed dangerously suicidal. 
   
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: joswift on July 28, 2022, 04:10:41 PM
No, not this level of weird. What is strange about our friendship is Matt and I could not be more dissimilar. We are almost politically opposite in our thinking; he is about as far to the right as someone can go and me being left of center. We've had multiple discussions about his racism, being a Nazi sympathizer and anti-Semitic.

There was a time long before he was jilted that he said he wanted to 'sire' an untold number of children like maybe in the hundreds. Thank goodness that didn’t happen. Can you imagine all those little Matts running around? That is a scary thought.

My feeling is that Matt has had a rough time lately, what with COVID and the isolation it has caused. I’m not sure how much, but the AAS is affecting his personality in a negative way. He is even more aggressive than usual and depressed as well. Maybe the one good thing in his life lately is that he’s back working out in a gym.

I’m not angry with him for this recent stunt or that he ignored my advice which was to let go of what was bothering him and ignore those who are trolling him. I truly believe he is a good person at heart, just way off center and unhappy. His stubbornness does not serve him well either.  Not too long ago, he seemed dangerously suicidal. 
 

thats a pretty accurate and a well thought out considerate post
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 04:14:35 PM
Prime asserting dominance by not grading Matt's 6.45"/163.8mm/16.3cm/.179 yd schmeckle.

Prime wears the (orange) drawers in that relationship ;D.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TYcyhKmr/Jay-2-5-7-2013.jpg).

Do you have any idea how old that photo is? I took the selfie in 2013. That pair of Adidas is long gone to underwear hell. The photo was taken in the locker room at Nelson’s Nautilus. The gym closed this year. I had been a member since my late 30's. Some of my workout buddies have died. Life goes on... everywhere but here it seems where a lot of folks still live in the past.

Post script: I sure was fat back then probably close to Bhank's supposed weight of 230 lbs. or close at more like 200 lbs. 
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Flexacon on July 28, 2022, 04:21:57 PM
Do you have any idea how old that photo is? I am not sure of the exact date, but I took the selfie many years ago. That pair of Adidas is long gone to underwear hell. The photo was taken in the locker room at Nelson’s Nautilus. The gym closed this year. I had been a member since my late 30's. Some of my workout buddies have died. Life goes on... everywhere but here it seems where a lot of folks still live in the past.

Post script: I sure was fat back then probably close to Bhank's supposed weight of 230 lbs. or close at more like 200 lbs.

You should send Matt an updated picture of you just in your under so he can confirm for us that you're no longer as fat and closer to 200lbs
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Dave D on July 28, 2022, 04:29:29 PM
thats a pretty accurate and a well thought out considerate post

Yes
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 28, 2022, 04:47:56 PM
No, not this level of weird. What is strange about our friendship is Matt and I could not be more dissimilar. We are almost politically opposite in our thinking; he is about as far to the right as someone can go and me being left of center. We've had multiple discussions about his racism, being a Nazi sympathizer and anti-Semitic.

There was a time long before he was jilted that he said he wanted to 'sire' an untold number of children like maybe in the hundreds. Thank goodness that didn’t happen. Can you imagine all those little Matts running around? That is a scary thought.

My feeling is that Matt has had a rough time lately, what with COVID and the isolation it has caused. I’m not sure how much, but the AAS is affecting his personality in a negative way. He is even more aggressive than usual and depressed as well. Maybe the one good thing in his life lately is that he’s back working out in a gym.

I’m not angry with him for this recent stunt or that he ignored my advice which was to let go of what was bothering him and ignore those who are trolling him. I truly believe he is a good person at heart, just way off center and unhappy. His stubbornness does not serve him well either.  Not too long ago, he seemed dangerously suicidal. 
 

No.

Matt Canning is none of those things.

He is a psychopathic weirdo who is ultimately going to harm someone innocent.

He doesn’t get to shirk responsibility and accountability because he is retarded. Stop enabling the fucking weirdo. He obviously is not capable of acting like, or socializing with, other 40-something year old adults.

On another note….did the video give you a little bit of a chubby?

Soggy old phaggot.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 05:01:49 PM
You should send Matt an updated picture of you just in your under so he can confirm for us that you're no longer as fat and closer to 200lbs

Probably wasn't clear about my weight in that photo I was around 200lbs. I was drawing a sarcastic comparison between me an Bhank who says he's 230.

There will be no photos of me sent to Matt or posted on Getbig, especially not any of me in my underwear. I currently weigh 175lbs. which is about 10lbs more than the one I posted that inspired Pellius to label me soggy, which unfortunately stuck (May he rest in peace). At my age, bone structure, appetite, and exercise commitment (or lack thereof) 175lbs seems about right. Clothes fit well and I feel healthy most of the time.   
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Flexacon on July 28, 2022, 05:15:03 PM
Probably wasn't clear about my weight in that photo I was around 200lbs. I was drawing a sarcastic comparison between me an Bhank who says he's 230.

There will be no photos of me sent to Matt or posted on Getbig, especially not any of me in my underwear. I currently weigh 175lbs. which is about 10lbs more than the one I posted that inspired Pellius to label me soggy, which unfortunately stuck (May he rest in peace). At my age, bone structure, appetite, and exercise commitment (or lack thereof) 175lbs seems about right. Clothes fit well and I feel healthy most of the time.

I'll let Matt know he won't be getting that pic of you in underwear. Where do we stand on you sending him a pic of your cock? He seemed pretty excited by the "fact" you said you were bigger than him.

I don't think Prime would mind my saying this - but he said his dick is bigger than mine.

Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Flexacon on July 28, 2022, 05:22:24 PM

Matt Cuck just cucking



I once took a picture of my penis in the winter, where it was so small it turned into a vagina, basically. I showed the picture to a woman I was with after fucking her, and I laughed. She said "That's great that you have the confidence to laugh about that. Most men wouldn't."


Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2022, 05:23:46 PM
I'll let Matt know he won't be getting that pic of you in underwear. Where do we stand on you sending him a pic of your cock? He seemed pretty excited by the "fact" you said you were bigger than him.

What? Are you implying that I am a Cam whore or have a Just-for-fans account. I don't take or send photos my " like a baby's arm" size penis to folks. I don't want to scare them.  ;)
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: robcguns on July 28, 2022, 05:38:14 PM
Haha Jesus Christ this can’t be fucking real?

Right
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Flexacon on July 28, 2022, 05:44:56 PM
Haha Jesus Christ this can’t be fucking real?
Right

How the subject got bought up was even bizarre as it was completely unprompted. Matt and Prime were discussing noses and then Matt decides to us lets us know he's trying to get Prime to look at his cock.

It's utterly infuriating to read some of the phaggotry you post.
You say this literally one post from having a conversation about men's noses with prime.
And I'm sending Prime a dick pic today, and cumshot video, to confirm my dick is big enough, and that I drop loads like Peter North! Once he gets back to me on Facebook, and OK's it.

The Mark Dugdale thread encouraged me to do it.

Mark packs twice what I have, flaccid in my drawers. Yet my cock grows to a perfectly sufficient size [and is actual above average in size].

It made me wonder if Mark has this issue too.

I don't think the term "grower" means that it grows to a horse cock...just that it's a lot bigger than you'd expect, given it's flaccid size. My dick is basically barely bigger than my thumb when soft, but is not small at all when hard.

It would annoy the fuck out of me if I was being said to have a small penis when that's not the case! Makes me wonder if Mark Dugdale has this issue too.

Also, why does flaccid size matter?

Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 02, 2023, 10:55:58 AM
Pa-lease!

My 'hope' is Matt never again sends me shit like that - meaning, the photo, video, and most of all the idiotic request.

BUMP   
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
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Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 02, 2023, 12:46:09 PM
Prime asserting dominance by not grading Matt's 6.45"/163.8mm/16.3cm/.179 yd schmeckle.

Prime wears the (orange) drawers in that relationship ;D.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TYcyhKmr/Jay-2-5-7-2013.jpg).
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Gym Rat on November 02, 2023, 12:54:10 PM
Hilarious GetBig happenings...  This place, LMAO...  ::) ;D
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Matt on November 02, 2023, 12:55:14 PM
BUMP

Yes, I sent Primemuscle a video, as well as a photo, confirming the size of my GREAT BIG COCK.

OneMoreRep was unable to fulfill this request, as he in a relationship.

Primemuscle refused to confirm to Getbig the size of my GREAT BIG COCK, out of spite.

But I DID attempt to verify the size of my GREAT BIG COCK.

So...please no more jokes about my tiny, flaccid 1" cock. I attempted to confirm the size of the erect size of my GREAT BIG COCK, unsuccessfully.

But Primemuscle will confirm I confirmed this. He just refuses to acknowledge the size of my GREAT BIG COCK while erect, out of spite, as I said.

But yes, I have a giant cock, and I made all reasonable efforts to confirm this, by way of two gay Getbig members.
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on November 02, 2023, 01:05:26 PM
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Post by: mphgrove on November 02, 2023, 01:26:41 PM
Yes another one only on getbig that we should all keep handy in case questioned. “I send Penis photos to other males solely for measurement verification and confirmation”
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: rick doot on November 02, 2023, 01:35:45 PM
Yes, I sent Primemuscle a video, as well as a photo, confirming the size of my GREAT BIG COCK.

OneMoreRep was unable to fulfill this request, as he in a relationship.

Primemuscle refused to confirm to Getbig the size of my GREAT BIG COCK, out of spite.

But I DID attempt to verify the size of my GREAT BIG COCK.

So...please no more jokes about my tiny, flaccid 1" cock. I attempted to confirm the size of the erect size of my GREAT BIG COCK, unsuccessfully.

But Primemuscle will confirm I confirmed this. He just refuses to acknowledge the size of my GREAT BIG COCK while erect, out of spite, as I said.

But yes, I have a giant cock, and I made all reasonable efforts to confirm this, by way of two gay Getbig members.

Seek help. Call upon pastor Tbombz...
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Dave D on November 02, 2023, 02:03:44 PM
Seek help. Call upon pastor Tbombz...

God help us………

Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 02, 2023, 02:22:47 PM
God help us………

This site never fails to surprise
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Kwon on November 02, 2023, 03:49:22 PM
How about this?

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Post by: Bevo on November 02, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Hahahaha  ;D
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Flexacon on November 02, 2023, 04:14:36 PM
.(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680196.0;attach=1471946;image)

Lmao Just noticed the flavour
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Taffin on November 02, 2023, 04:38:50 PM
How about this?

ROASTBEEF SUPREME (NSFW) (https://64.media.tumblr.com/32134bd1615bd1fc2af5177f05b92f02/38ce58903500d803-0a/s1280x1920/0d87a22b0a0bf9662c1a9ed9e40811e061ded38c.jpg)

I just cracked me one off   :P
Title: Re: MORE penis photos? Primemuscle please clear this up!
Post by: Rusty Trombone on November 02, 2023, 11:21:41 PM

Do retarded guys qualify for the insanity defence if they commit a crime....always wondered that?