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10,000 assisted suicides last year, apparently 6th highest cause of death.
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They be killin theyselfs.
Hope they aint wastin the food by throwin out dey bodeez.
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Damn! That's the whole Northwest territory.
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Check it out.
https://www.bygonely.com/eugenics-history/
The Eugenics took a dark turn in the early 20th century when California passed a law of forced Sterilizations. From 1909 to 1979, around 20,000 sterilization operations were performed in the state’s mental institutions under the guise of protecting society from the offspring of people with mental illness. Even the Supreme Court ruled that forced sterilization does not violate the constitution. According to a 1976 Government Accountability Office investigation, between 25 and 50 percent of Native Americans were sterilized between 1970 and 1976.
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21 Historical Figures You Didn’t Know Supported The Eugenics Movement
https://allthatsinteresting.com/eugenics-movement
Before Hitler took eugenics to its deadly extremes, more people than you might think considered at least some eugenics-related ideas to be completely legitimate — despite their serious moral implications. Eugenics was something that many prominent people once supported, whether vocally, financially, or politically. Presidents, economists, activists, and philosophers — many of which you'd never think would be supporters — all once spoke out in support of the eugenics movement.
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Medical assistance in suicide [MAID] becomes legal for all Canadians aged 18 and over with decision-making capacity as of March 17th, 2023:
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/ad-am/bk-di.html
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Look at John Abdo, he just had himself euthanized.
Terminal painful cancer to look FWD to, or the nice "go to sleep and never wake" method?
My body, my choice right?
Though, why people might pay big money for that is always one question.
Can be done easily on ones own...
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They be killin theyselfs.
Hope they aint wastin the food by throwin out dey bodeez.
(http://i.postimg.cc/rwVXRDLX/u-https-tse1-mm-bing-net-th-id-OIP.jpg)
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Oak?
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Oak?
hes on the phone to beat the rush
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I read about a doctor here going to Switzerland to euthanize herself. I mostly wonder why you wouldn't just do it yourself, screw the legality. You could design a very pleasant cocktail too.
At this point in time I see suicide as a human right. I do theoretically see some room for abuse with a system of legal euthanasia i.e. the idea is planted by someone else.
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I read about a doctor here going to Switzerland to euthanize herself. I mostly wonder why you wouldn't just do it yourself, screw the legality. You could design a very pleasant cocktail too.
At this point in time I see suicide as a human right. I do theoretically see some room for abuse with a system of legal euthanasia i.e. the idea is planted by someone else.
If you kill yourself illegally they'll put you in jail.
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Well…..I guess it helps keep the cost of socialized medicine down.
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Well…..I guess it helps keep the cost of socialized medicine down.
Eventually, it won't be a choice.
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At this point in time I see suicide as a human right. I do theoretically see some room for abuse with a system of legal euthanasia i.e. the idea is planted by someone else.
Already happening:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/another-case-of-a-sick-canadian-offered-death-instead-of-treatment-this-time-a-veteran
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Lots of interesting things in this clip. Can you really argue with her? Life can be terrible but death is scary too. At least to me. So suicide is an unsatisfactory "solution" to say the least.
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Lots of interesting things in this clip. Can you really argue with her? Life can be terrible but death is scary too. At least to me. So suicide is an unsatisfactory "solution" to say the least.
… .. I want to go out on my own terms (not shitting - pissing myself in some nursing home!) while I still have some dignity left … I would 100% consider this …(don’t really want to put a gun to my head and splatter my brains everywhere) …it should be legal here in the states!
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thats really eyeopening stuff
The youth of today once the filters and instagram stop working will all end up offing themselves
Looks like Logans Run isnt going to be a fantasy movie after all.
PS, I would have fucked her
If only someone would have told her
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… .. I want to go out on my own terms (not shitting - pissing myself in some nursing home!) while I still have some dignity left … I would 100% consider this …(don’t really want to put a gun to my head and splatter my brains everywhere) …it should be legal here in the states!
What amazes me is people choosing a violent or messy pr painful method. I mean it's easy to get ahold of some pleasant chemicals, why down a bottle of liver toxic pain killers where you're in extreme pain for days or weeks? Though the reason might be that most who kill themselves are having an acute mental breakdown and the whole act may be on sudden impulse. I don't know if most suicides are impulsive act but I did read that claim somewhere.
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What amazes me is people choosing a violent or messy pr painful method. I mean it's easy to get ahold of some pleasant chemicals, why down a bottle of liver toxic pain killers where you're in extreme pain for days or weeks? Though the reason might be that most who kill themselves are having an acute mental breakdown and the whole act may be on sudden impulse. I don't know if most suicides are impulsive act but I did read that claim somewhere.
no, not really, people tend to think about it for a while, they even try and work out the quickest and painless methods.
Odd fact about depression is that if someone suddenly seems to pull out of a deep depression quickly its because they have made the decision to end it, they even know when, hence the elevated mood, they know soon all their problems will be over
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no, not really, people tend to think about it for a while, they even try and work out the quickest and painless methods.
Odd fact about depression is that if someone suddenly seems to pull out of a deep depression quickly its because they have made the decision to end it, they even know when, hence the elevated mood, they know soon all their problems will be over
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Also it's known that sudden relief from depression might help someone actually go through with their plan. Depression is marked by indecision, an inability to do much of anything. That's one reason they think antidepressant use increases suicide risk initially, the depression lifted a bit.
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Also it's known that sudden relief from depression might help someone actually go through with their plan. Depression is marked by indecision, an inability to do much of anything. That's one reason they think antidepressant use increases suicide risk initially, the depression lifted a bit.
before they prescribe you anti depressants they always ask have you had suicidal thoughts.
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Is this why Josh is going to stay with Matt ???
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What amazes me is people choosing a violent or messy pr painful method. I mean it's easy to get ahold of some pleasant chemicals, why down a bottle of liver toxic pain killers where you're in extreme pain for days or weeks? Though the reason might be that most who kill themselves are having an acute mental breakdown and the whole act may be on sudden impulse. I don't know if most suicides are impulsive act but I did read that claim somewhere.
What combination/ cocktail Would kill you? (Like go to sleep peacefully and never wake up) * for research purposes only 😉
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What combination/ cocktail Would kill you? (Like go to sleep peacefully and never wake up) * for research purposes only 😉
There are specific website where you can get that information.
They have a members section that fluctuates in number from week to week
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Didn’t know there was an easy pleasant way to do it, nice to know haha
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There are specific website where you can get that information.
They have a members section that fluctuates in number from week to week
any “ hints” on which websites? ….(all I get is “ suicide hotline “ “ if you are depressed call 1-800 blah blah blah “ “ Jesus Saves .com “ and the like )
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any “ hints” on which websites? ….(all I get is “ suicide hotline “ “ if you are depressed call 1-800 blah blah blah “ “ Jesus Saves .com “ and the like )
If I send you a link and you top yourself Im in trouble ;D
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If I send you a link and you top yourself Im in trouble ;D
LOL! … I promise I won’t ( this is for future reference) I’m not there yet!
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any “ hints” on which websites? ….(all I get is “ suicide hotline “ “ if you are depressed call 1-800 blah blah blah “ “ Jesus Saves .com “ and the like )
Haha same here I googled easiest way to do it a while back and got same shit
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What combination/ cocktail Would kill you? (Like go to sleep peacefully and never wake up) * for research purposes only 😉
They already, IMO, assist deaths in hospitals. Instead of assisted deaths they say they don't want the patient to feel pain and that they want the natural death to be as painless as possible so they give liberal doses of a couple of medicines. I'd rather not say which ones to give any ideas but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about :D Then they can console the patient's family how their relative "went painlessly and comfortably." These compounds or their counterparts kill addicts like flies currently by OD by mistakes in dosing.
I think it was someone on getbig recently who linked an article about a guy who went to Mexico to die. He bought barbiturates for that purpose. Then he thought he would rent a hotel room in a whorehouse for a week before going through with it. Then bought cocaine and fucked hookers for a week. This experience boosted him so much he decided not to die. :D
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Ok…. Here’s the thing tho Say “ that day has arrived “ (I have no children/ I have no family or relatives * when my mom passes that’s all the family I have …. I’m getting old/ unable to do things work .. provide /have an income etc .. remember I did not plan at All for old age .. no pension/ no 401K/ no health insurance etc .. so not knowing what to take I take a bunch of sleeping pills / vodka / etc …. I don’t die .. I’m simply a vegetable but my mind is fine …. I can’t move / but I can feel pain / see / hear but cannot speak .. some “orderly” is laughing at me / taking “ selfies “ while I shit and piss myself in some rundown homeless nursing home …. Lol I just want a little bit of a clue what to take to avoid such a fate!
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Ok .. how much / many Secobarbital do I take to die? ( that’s all I need to know now ) https://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/2017-summary-of-drugs-used-for-doctor-prescribed-suicide/ Ok now I know what to take and how much …. How do you get these drugs?
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Ok…. Here’s the thing tho Say “ that day has arrived “ (I have no children/ I have no family or relatives * when my mom passes that’s all the family I have …. I’m getting old/ unable to do things work .. provide /have an income etc .. remember I did not plan at All for old age .. no pension/ no 401K/ no health insurance etc .. so not knowing what to take I take a bunch of sleeping pills / vodka / etc …. I don’t die .. I’m simply a vegetable but my mind is fine …. I can’t move / but I can feel pain / see / hear but cannot speak .. some “orderly” is laughing at me / taking “ selfies “ while I shit and piss myself in some rundown homeless nursing home …. Lol I just want a little bit of a clue what to take to avoid such a fate!
Carbon monoxide poisoning. Odorless. Painless.
Put your car in your garage.
Make sure the gas tank is full.
Close the door.
Start the engine.
Relax. Breathe naturally.
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Carbon monoxide poisoning. Odorless. Painless.
Put your car in your garage.
Make sure the gas tank is full.
Close the door.
Start the engine.
Relax. Breathe naturally.
… thought of that …. No Garage lol ( just a “ carport “) I’m not in a big hurry ( I just spent $64 thousand dollars cash on teeth) I’d like to have a plan for when the time comes .. that’s all ..
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Will Fortress, Josh or Matt do Getbig a huge favor and sign up OAK for this?
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Ok…. Here’s the thing tho Say “ that day has arrived “ (I have no children/ I have no family or relatives * when my mom passes that’s all the family I have …. I’m getting old/ unable to do things work .. provide /have an income etc .. remember I did not plan at All for old age .. no pension/ no 401K/ no health insurance etc .. so not knowing what to take I take a bunch of sleeping pills / vodka / etc …. I don’t die .. I’m simply a vegetable but my mind is fine …. I can’t move / but I can feel pain / see / hear but cannot speak .. some “orderly” is laughing at me / taking “ selfies “ while I shit and piss myself in some rundown homeless nursing home …. Lol I just want a little bit of a clue what to take to avoid such a fate!
Don’t worry, Mike. I’ll take care of you (no homo!)
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Don’t worry, Mike. I’ll take care of you (no homo!)
;D ;D
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Couldn’t you just take a ton of over the counter Walmart insulin?
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Couldn’t you just take a ton of over the counter Walmart insulin?
you would go Hypoglycemic…. Don’t think you would die however …. (You ever go hypoglycemic? It’s not fun nor is it painless)
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you would go Hypoglycemic…. Don’t think you would die however …. (You ever go hypoglycemic? It’s not fun nor is it painless)
A former Canadian late night talkshow host named Mike Bullard tried that. I believe he had a heart attack from it, but he didn't die.
Apparently insulin is over the counter in Canada too. I didn't know that.
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Why not raw dog as many hookers as it takes to get full blown aids? That would at least be a fun way to go out.
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A former Canadian late night talkshow host named Mike Bullard tried that. I believe he had a heart attack from it, but he didn't die.
Apparently insulin is over the counter in Canada too. I didn't know that.
it’s over the counter here also …..(bought it at Walgreens)
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it’s over the counter here also …..(bought it at Walgreens)
LMAO. But damn dude, this topic gives me the creeps.
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LMAO. But damn dude, this topic gives me the creeps.
lol yea me 2 …. But the alternative to not doing anything is way worse to me!
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lol yea me 2 …. But the alternative to not doing anything is way worse to me!
I get it. I'd legalize it if it were up to me.
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it’s over the counter here also …..(bought it at Walgreens)
I was thinking of adding it to my cycle on the advice of Van Bilderass...but I got what I wanted out of low dose Anadrol, so I chose to keep it at that.
I have to attend an extended family dinner in ten days...I think I'll go up to 210 in that time, then go off. But next year...depending on my health, I'm a bit curious to see how I'd look at 220, on a proper cycle.
Regarding end-of-life things...it blows my mind how lousy I have been over the past few years with no physical disease to speak of. To the contrary, my health is actually quite good. Optimal, even.
So I honestly can't imagine how I'd feel if I was pissing and shitting myself. I feel like you do on that, Mike. I should be thrilled to be in my current health status, yet I'm not. I don't look forward to a future of potential disease.
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Ok…. Here’s the thing tho Say “ that day has arrived “ (I have no children/ I have no family or relatives * when my mom passes that’s all the family I have …. I’m getting old/ unable to do things work .. provide /have an income etc .. remember I did not plan at All for old age .. no pension/ no 401K/ no health insurance etc .. so not knowing what to take I take a bunch of sleeping pills / vodka / etc …. I don’t die .. I’m simply a vegetable but my mind is fine …. I can’t move / but I can feel pain / see / hear but cannot speak .. some “orderly” is laughing at me / taking “ selfies “ while I shit and piss myself in some rundown homeless nursing home …. Lol I just want a little bit of a clue what to take to avoid such a fate!
Glock to the Pie-Hole is pretty simple, and very effective...
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Ok .. how much / many Secobarbital do I take to die? ( that’s all I need to know now ) https://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/2017-summary-of-drugs-used-for-doctor-prescribed-suicide/ Ok now I know what to take and how much …. How do you get these drugs?
You’re over thinking this. Just get some fentanyl on the street. Painless …….unless you aspirate your vomit prior to expiring
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… thought of that …. No Garage lol ( just a “ carport “) I’m not in a big hurry ( I just spent $64 thousand dollars cash on teeth) I’d like to have a plan for when the time comes .. that’s all ..
Well then, first you have to buy a house with a garage. :D
Or you could get a kerosene heater, seal up your bedroom airtight, and light the heater.
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This thread has gotten dark really fast
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Brad Delp (From the band "Boston") lived up the street from me a bit (5 minute drive).
He used a car, some hoses and a couple of charcoal grills...
https://www.guitarworld.com/news/brad-delp-details-emerge-about-his-tragic-suicide
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Ok .. how much / many Secobarbital do I take to die? ( that’s all I need to know now ) https://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/2017-summary-of-drugs-used-for-doctor-prescribed-suicide/ Ok now I know what to take and how much …. How do you get these drugs?
I don't know how easy barbiturates are to get ahold of since benzos are less dangerous and have essentially replaced them. Alright, what drugs are in the system of patients in the hospital when dying? A benzo like midazolam and a pain killer like oxycodone or fentanyl. They crank them up when a patient is "close". I'm sure you've read of the devastating impact fentanyl is having and I'm sure you've heard of Oxy. Very easy to OD.
What do addicts on the strdet OD on? Heroin. BUT most of the time they have benzos like Valium or Xanax in their system which they use to potentiate the opiates. Benzos by themselves aren't very deadly but when combined with an opiate like Heroin or Oxycontin they enhance the respiratory depression.
So you just stop breathing. I can't see it being painful with all those painkillers and antianxiety medicines in your system.
Isn't a single tablet of 80 milligrams of Oxycontin potentially deadly if you have no tolerance? A few of those and a high dose of Xanax and you should be good to go. Fentanyl should be even easier to die from. Although if I were to do it I would research to make sure I took enough.
All of this is common knowledge for many/most so I don't feel like I'm giving any new ideas. Plus you say this is only for theoretical knowledge for some possible far off scenario.
This is why I feel sorry for people who go through a horribly violent or painful death.
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Brad Delp (From the band "Boston") lived up the street from me a bit (5 minute drive).
He used a car, some hoses and a couple of charcoal grills...
https://www.guitarworld.com/news/brad-delp-details-emerge-about-his-tragic-suicide
Your average person today just doesn't want to work at it.
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Your average person today just doesn't want to work at it.
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He lived 6 houses up from my sister. We'd always see him around, quiet guy, but friendly. (We'd always go see his local band "BeatleJuice" (Beatles Covers) when they played the clubs around here).
He got into some trouble w/ a younger gal (family friend) who was staying with him. (He planted a spy-cam in her room) and he couldn't deal with the guilt when he was caught.
(Probably had some other issues going on).
He sure put some t hought into that suicide. A shame, a great musical talent... (With many demons apparently).
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Isn't a single tablet of 80 milligrams of Oxycontin potentially deadly if you have no tolerance?
Ingested orally, an average sized adult man or larger should be able to survive 80mg. It would be incredibly strong though.
At 160mg, I would think that would at the least, put many opiate-naive men into a coma.
I was given a Percocet prescription in 2011. It was amazing. Maybe I need to kick back with a few Percs one night. Or a quarter of an Oxy 80. Drinking doesn't do it for me, THC doesn't do it for me...basically nothing does it for me. That Percocet prescription was the most pleasant substance experience of my life. Almost all the rest suck, IMO. I wish I could smoke THC, but it makes me way too paranoid. I find alcohol disgusting.
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He lived 6 houses up from my sister. We'd always see him around, quiet guy, but friendly. (We'd always go see his local band "BeatleJuice" (Beatles Covers) when they played the clubs around here).
He got into some trouble w/ a younger gal (family friend) who was staying with him. (He planted a spy-cam in her room) and he couldn't deal with the guilt when he was caught.
(Probably had some other issues going on).
He sure put some t hought into that suicide. A shame, a great musical talent... (With many demons apparently).
Hang on...this guy?!
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I don't know how easy barbiturates are to get ahold of since benzos are less dangerous and have essentially replaced them. Alright, what drugs are in the system of patients in the hospital when dying? A benzo like midazolam and a pain killer like oxycodone or fentanyl. They crank them up when a patient is "close". I'm sure you've read of the devastating impact fentanyl is having and I'm sure you've heard of Oxy. Very easy to OD.
What do addicts on the strdet OD on? Heroin. BUT most of the time they have benzos like Valium or Xanax in their system which they use to potentiate the opiates. Benzos by themselves aren't very deadly but when combined with an opiate like Heroin or Oxycontin they enhance the respiratory depression.
So you just stop breathing. I can't see it being painful with all those painkillers and antianxiety medicines in your system.
Isn't a single tablet of 80 milligrams of Oxycontin potentially deadly if you have no tolerance? A few of those and a high dose of Xanax and you should be good to go. Fentanyl should be even easier to die from. Although if I were to do it I would research to make sure I took enough.
All of this is common knowledge for many/most so I don't feel like I'm giving any new ideas. Plus you say this is only for theoretical knowledge for some possible far off scenario.
This is why I feel sorry for people who go through a horribly violent or painful death.
…….I don’t have access or know anyone who does to “ street drugs “ also I want to take the guesswork out of it ( you may die or you may end up in a coma) also don’t want to just start violently throwing up either …..or wake up in some hospital “ sir you overdosed “let’s get you some mental health”…. I just need “ you take so many milligrams of this drug (which you can purchase here) and you will 100% go to sleep and never wake up! …. Then just have it for when the time is right .. thought about a gun but that’s too violent And messy! .. plus you could survive it and be paralyzed or something …. In Switzerland you pay a few thousand dollars and a Dr puts you to sleep forever ….. that’s what I’m looking for
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you would go Hypoglycemic…. Don’t think you would die however …. (You ever go hypoglycemic? It’s not fun nor is it painless)
The key would be to inject all over your body. smaller doses of insulin absorb faster than a larger one in one site. 10iu in ten places of Regular Insulin in a fasted person might do it.
My 12 year old is type one btw so I use it all the time on them. Even different sites affect absorption from my experience.
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Suicide can be risky. Many people try and end up debilitated but alive.
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Suicide can be risky. Many people try and end up debilitated but alive.
Bingo! My number one Fear!
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I would do a trifecta of pills, carbon monoxide and a toaster bath. Just trying to make sure the mission is completed with no hiccups.
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He lived 6 houses up from my sister. We'd always see him around, quiet guy, but friendly. (We'd always go see his local band "BeatleJuice" (Beatles Covers) when they played the clubs around here).
He got into some trouble w/ a younger gal (family friend) who was staying with him. (He planted a spy-cam in her room) and he couldn't deal with the guilt when he was caught.
(Probably had some other issues going on).
He sure put some t hought into that suicide. A shame, a great musical talent... (With many demons apparently).
That's too bad. Great voice.
That first Boston album was fantastic.
Saw Boston on their first tour in a big arena.
Good but hard to match the album. Also I may not have been stoned enough to appreciate.
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I understand the desire for the right to die in cases where you have a terminal condition or where the aging process is to the point that life is no longer living. However, it is becoming clear that the Canadian medical system is starting to pressure people into choosing suicide when they really don't want it, for cost savings reason.
Assisted suicide, like just about every other issue I can think of, is a legitimate issue that gets manipulated by politicians and others who are clearly anti-libertarian.
I do not trust anyone in any position of authority who is not libertarian.
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I understand the desire for the right to die in cases where you have a terminal condition or where the aging process is to the point that life is no longer living. However, it is becoming clear that the Canadian medical system is starting to pressure people into choosing suicide when they really don't want it, for cost savings reason.
Assisted suicide, like just about every other issue I can think of, is a legitimate issue that gets manipulated by politicians and others who are clearly anti-libertarian.
I do not trust anyone in any position of authority who is not libertarian.
It's a slippery slope. Soon they'll be requiring "suicide".
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The key would be to inject all over your body. smaller doses of insulin absorb faster than a larger one in one site. 10iu in ten places of Regular Insulin in a fasted person might do it.
My 12 year old is type one btw so I use it all the time on them. Even different sites affect absorption from my experience.
I wouldn't trust 100iu doing it. I had a friend who did 300iu in a suicide attempt. Passed out, woke up sweaty. I remember way back I saw a study on pubmed where some lady had taken 600iu. She went to the hospital, had some glucose I guess, I forget what they said regarding treatment. Glucagon is usually given as well I guess. Doctors notes said, "patient is lucid, is outside smoking a cigarette."
Insulin is always said to be so deadly, that bodybuilders should be extremely careful with it. I agree, you should be careful, you don't want to end up a statistic. But how many bodybuilders have died from insulin?! I can't think of a single one, these stories would have ended up on the bb forums.
I sometimes liked to induce hypoglycemia for fun and to eat a lot. I would take say Novorapid at 20iu and sit myself in front of the fridge. I would cruise getbig and maybe after 45 minutes I would start sweating a bit. Then another 45 minutes would go by and then I was ready to eat to say the least. One time the 2 meter hop to the fridge was painful, took a lot of effort. I realised I had pushed too much but the food was goood. Anything and everything, fatty and sugary, everything went in the mouth at the same time lol. It "resets" your neurotransmitters and you feel good. They used to do insulin induced hypoglycemia in mental hospitals. When the patient was passing out they would admin glucose through a feeding tube. When it a bit more stable they let the patients eat, pancakes and orange juice or whatever. Main side effect was drastic weight gain :D
I took some Toujeo today, which is a longer acting Lantus, because I'm using MK-677. I took just 30iu before going to sleep but I had only eaten maybe 100 carbs during the day. I trust these longer acting insulins will wake me up before trouble. I did wake up a few times and had a glass of orange juice. Was a bit shaky upon waking though :D
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…….I don’t have access or know anyone who does to “ street drugs “ also I want to take the guesswork out of it ( you may die or you may end up in a coma) also don’t want to just start violently throwing up either …..or wake up in some hospital “ sir you overdosed “let’s get you some mental health”…. I just need “ you take so many milligrams of this drug (which you can purchase here) and you will 100% go to sleep and never wake up! …. Then just have it for when the time is right .. thought about a gun but that’s too violent And messy! .. plus you could survive it and be paralyzed or something …. In Switzerland you pay a few thousand dollars and a Dr puts you to sleep forever ….. that’s what I’m looking for
Yeah though I don't like these "hospital" settings or hospices or ehatever they use and being surrounded by docs and nurses. I've thought about how I would like to do it. Perhaps in nature. Perhaps on a mountaintop where "friends" could then put my corpse in a freaking bonfire :D
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I wouldn't trust 100iu doing it. I had a friend who did 300iu in a suicide attempt. Passed out, woke up sweaty. I remember way back I saw a study on pubmed where some lady had taken 600iu. She went to the hospital, had some glucose I guess, I forget what they said regarding treatment. Glucagon is usually given as well I guess. Doctors notes said, "patient is lucid, is outside smoking a cigarette."
Insulin is always said to be so deadly, that bodybuilders should be extremely careful with it. I agree, you should be careful, you don't want to end up a statistic. But how many bodybuilders have died from insulin?! I can't think of a single one, these stories would have ended up on the bb forums.
I sometimes liked to induce hypoglycemia for fun and to eat a lot. I would take say Novorapid at 20iu and sit myself in front of the fridge. I would cruise getbig and maybe after 45 minutes I would start sweating a bit. Then another 45 minutes would go by and then I was ready to eat to say the least. One time the 2 meter hop to the fridge was painful, took a lot of effort. I realised I had pushed too much but the food was goood. Anything and everything, fatty and sugary, everything went in the mouth at the same time lol. It "resets" your neurotransmitters and you feel good. They used to do insulin induced hypoglycemia in mental hospitals. When the patient was passing out they would admin glucose through a feeding tube. When it a bit more stable they let the patients eat, pancakes and orange juice or whatever. Main side effect was drastic weight gain :D
I took some Toujeo today, which is a longer acting Lantus, because I'm using MK-677. I took just 30iu before going to sleep but I had only eaten maybe 100 carbs during the day. I trust these longer acting insulins will wake me up before trouble. I did wake up a few times and had a glass of orange juice. Was a bit shaky upon waking though :D
They injected a guy with a crazy amount of Regular insulin for a study and had to monitor him for over a week and infuse glucose the whole time. The huge dose in one injection took days to release fully into his system since his blood sugar was still dropping low every time they figured they had corrected it enough.
I think it would have a lot to do with your body weight and insulin sensitivity as far a dying from it. I’m only used to barely using any on my 12 year old so that’s all I have experience with. 100iu in ten different places would fuck them up big time since they rarely use more than 5iu at a time now to bolus.
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They injected a guy with a crazy amount of Regular insulin for a study and had to monitor him for over a week and infuse glucose the whole time. The huge dose in one injection took days to release fully into his system since his blood sugar was still dropping low every time they figured they had corrected it enough.
I think it would have a lot to do with your body weight and insulin sensitivity as far a dying from it. I’m only used to barely using any on my 12 year old so that’s all I have experience with. 100iu in ten different places would fuck them up big time since they rarely use more than 5iu at a time now to bolus.
How much basal in a day? Once or twice daily?
Bodybuilders can handle a lot especially if they have no restrictions on carb intake. GH "helps" in this case since it induces resistance. Some of guys with Milos do 100iu of fast acting a day IV! Then other camps do a lot of basal Lantus as well, easily 100iu sometimes double that. Then the Humalog on top. I've done 60 Lantus and 60-80 Novorapid no problem and I didn't even use GH. But yeah my sensitivity probably wasn't that great. If I kept a steady stream of carbs coming I didn't even notice it. It doesn't do a whole lot for me but it does something. Say if you load carbs the day before an attempted PR session it does help you get full and swollen and strong. :D Strangely my worst hypo episodes have been after drinking whey protein, no insulin added. ???
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…….I don’t have access or know anyone who does to “ street drugs “ also I want to take the guesswork out of it ( you may die or you may end up in a coma) also don’t want to just start violently throwing up either …..or wake up in some hospital “ sir you overdosed “let’s get you some mental health”…. I just need “ you take so many milligrams of this drug (which you can purchase here) and you will 100% go to sleep and never wake up! …. Then just have it for when the time is right .. thought about a gun but that’s too violent And messy! .. plus you could survive it and be paralyzed or something …. In Switzerland you pay a few thousand dollars and a Dr puts you to sleep forever ….. that’s what I’m looking for
I think it's sad that both you and I have thought about this topic in such great detail like this, Mike. But hey - who wants to go through the potential end-of-life trauma that you have described?
A friend of mine said it would only take $60 of Fentanyl to kill an adult male who is naive to it. I would probably get $180 worth just to be certain.
I would hate to try something that leaves me with brain damage or major organ damage, or something like that, but still alive. Especially given that all my current [mostly former] woes are mental. I would hate to do something that actually gives me a real physical reason to hate my life.
Lately I've been thinking - I'm lucky to be so physically well. I hope my mental well-being gets back on track. My cycle helped me a lot. Nasser El Sonbaty said in one of his bodybuilding.com interviews that he felt anabolic steroids should be prescribed for depression, rather than SSRI's.
I'd have to agree with Nasser about that!
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The key would be to inject all over your body. smaller doses of insulin absorb faster than a larger one in one site. 10iu in ten places of Regular Insulin in a fasted person might do it.
My 12 year old is type one btw so I use it all the time on them. Even different sites affect absorption from my experience.
I had no idea you have a 12-year-old, jwb! I do too - as well two girls, 13 and 5.
It's nice to be a dad.
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I understand the desire for the right to die in cases where you have a terminal condition or where the aging process is to the point that life is no longer living. However, it is becoming clear that the Canadian medical system is starting to pressure people into choosing suicide when they really don't want it, for cost savings reason.
Assisted suicide, like just about every other issue I can think of, is a legitimate issue that gets manipulated by politicians and others who are clearly anti-libertarian.
I do not trudst anyone in any position of authority who is not libertarian.
That's exactly it.
In 2021, Canada had around 303,000 total deaths, and 10,700 of them were from the MAID program [Medical Assistance In Dying].
Our "free" taxpayer-funded socialized medical system is clearly overwhelmed, yet our politicians won't/can't talk about it.
Blaming Covid was just a red herring. If anything, Covid alleviated burden on the Canadian healthcare system because people who needed to go to the Emergency Room for heart attacks and other acute medical issues would stay home because they were scared of catching Covid at the hospital.
All Canadian hospitals were empty during the pandemic. I first saw a video of someone filming an empty hospital, then went to peek into my hospital's completely empty ER [normally, there is a six hour wait].
Later, the hospital put curtains on that ER, because people were filming it being empty, and circulating the videos online.
During all that time, politicians were lying through their teeth about hospitals being overwhelmed. Utter BALDERDASH.
On top of that, hospitals were receiving $10,000+ in federal transfer payments from taxpayers for each fake Covid case they declared.
Covid did nothing to overwhelm our hospitals. They have been increasingly overwhelmed in Canada since 1998, and are now on the verge of collapse.
Canadian politicians are full of shit - just like when American politicians say "White Supremacist" groups are the biggest threat to democracy.
I wish the lies would stop, but it seems like the politicians not only won't speak the truth, but actually can't speak it, for whatever reasons.
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I think it's sad that both you and I have thought about this topic in such great detail like this, Mike. But hey - who wants to go through the potential end-of-life trauma that you have described?
A friend of mine said it would only take $60 of Fentanyl to kill an adult male who is naive to it. I would probably get $180 worth just to be certain.
I would hate to try something that leaves me with brain damage or major organ damage, or something like that, but still alive. Especially given that all my current [mostly former] woes are mental. I would hate to do something that actually gives me a real physical reason to hate my life.
Lately I've been thinking - I'm lucky to be so physically well. I hope my mental well-being gets back on track. My cycle helped me a lot. Nasser El Sonbaty said in one of his bodybuilding.com interviews that he felt anabolic steroids should be prescribed for depression, rather than SSRI's.
I'd have to agree with Nasser about that!
Proviron has been compared to antidepressants and was supposedly more effective than antidepressants. It's easy to believe. One problem is that depression is often coupled with anxiety and panic disorder, like for me. Steroids often cause anxiety and panic anxiety which is the worst shit you can imagine. It's pretty common actually. Most common culprits are trenbolone and boldenone. Lots of bodybuilders have started on SSRIs at least partly due to steroids. I remember one "European" cycle example in MM2K had Prozac in the plan. Prozac was started just before getting off the cycle to counter the ensuing depression.
Proviron is a nice mood booster. An added bonus is that it's not supposed to shut down your test production unlike everything else. So it's like taking (neuro)steroids with little to no sides. Doesn't do much if anything for muscle growth but it improves mood and gives you a crazy sex drive.
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I sometimes liked to induce hypoglycemia for fun and to eat a lot. I would take say Novorapid at 20iu and sit myself in front of the fridge. I would cruise getbig and maybe after 45 minutes I would start sweating a bit. Then another 45 minutes would go by and then I was ready to eat to say the least. One time the 2 meter hop to the fridge was painful, took a lot of effort. I realised I had pushed too much but the food was goood. Anything and everything, fatty and sugary, everything went in the mouth at the same time lol. It "resets" your neurotransmitters and you feel good. They used to do insulin induced hypoglycemia in mental hospitals. When the patient was passing out they would admin glucose through a feeding tube. When it a bit more stable they let the patients eat, pancakes and orange juice or whatever. Main side effect was drastic weight gain :D
Van,
Out of curiosity...now that my mini-Anadrol cycle is winding down...if I learn to use insulin safely [very important], could I run an Insulin only cycle after?
Just with it being so cheap and available...can it be used on its own?
Are there any risks to that if done safely - like risks to my pancreas?
Would it mess up my hormones, which would presumably be coming back into balance, now that I plan to stop the Anadrol and not use PCT?
Is there any benefit in running some insulin?
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Yeah though I don't like these "hospital" settings or hospices or ehatever they use and being surrounded by docs and nurses. I've thought about how I would like to do it. Perhaps in nature. Perhaps on a mountaintop where "friends" could then put my corpse in a freaking bonfire :D
When they move you to the hospice, is that the medical staff basically saying "You're about to die?"
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I read about a doctor here going to Switzerland to euthanize herself. I mostly wonder why you wouldn't just do it yourself, screw the legality. You could design a very pleasant cocktail too.
At this point in time I see suicide as a human right. I do theoretically see some room for abuse with a system of legal euthanasia i.e. the idea is planted by someone else.
What is that? Euthanasia tourism?
Or is that because all EU countries are connected, that you can travel to another country to use their healthcare services like that?
As Canada's medical assisted suicide will be among the most lenient in the world, it is for Canadian citizens only, go prevent people from coming here just for legal euthanasia - euthanasia tourism, as I said.
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Is this why Josh is going to stay with Matt ???
Yes.
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Proviron has been compared to antidepressants and was supposedly more effective than antidepressants. It's easy to believe. One problem is that depression is often coupled with anxiety and panic disorder, like for me. Steroids often cause anxiety and panic anxiety which is the worst shit you can imagine. It's pretty common actually. Most common culprits are trenbolone and boldenone. Lots of bodybuilders have started on SSRIs at least partly due to steroids. I remember one "European" cycle example in MM2K had Prozac in the plan. Prozac was started just before getting off the cycle to counter the ensuing depression.
Proviron is a nice mood booster. An added bonus is that it's not supposed to shut down your test production unlike everything else. So it's like taking (neuro)steroids with little to no sides. Doesn't do much if anything for muscle growth but it improves mood and gives you a crazy sex drive.
Van, do you think I'll have any depression jumping off 15mg of Anadrol per day?
Also, off-topic somewhat, but are there "levels" of being shut down? So for instance, am I less shut down being on such a low-dose, compared to what I would have been had I used more daily Anadrol and added the Sustanon?
Definitely off-topic, but someone was impressed with my results, and asked if he could take 1x 25mg Anadrol tablet per week only. What would the minimum amount be that a person could still make some gains?
I can tell you conclusively that I previously made gains from 12.5mg daily. I ran that for three weeks, both in August and in December of 2016. I didn't run PCT either time, and while I didn't have my T levels checked after, I did so a fertility test in March of 2017, and had a 1.18 billion sperm count? Do some steroids reduce sperm count, but not others?
So my questions:
[1] Will I have any issues jumping off low-dose Anadrol WITHOUT PCT?
[2] Are there levels of being shut down? Does more gear = more shut down, or is it all the same?
[3] What's the least amount of Anadrol or other gear you can run and still get results?
[4] Do all steroids lower sperm count, or just certain ones?
Thanks Van!
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So my questions:
[1] Will I have any issues jumping off low-dose Anadrol WITHOUT PCT?
[2] Are there levels of being shut down? Does more gear = more shut down, or is it all the same?
[3] What's the least amount of Anadrol or other gear you can run and still get results?
[4] Do all steroids lower sperm count, or just certain ones?
Thanks Van!
I doubt you'll have issues. It's just so little. But you'll find out.
There are different levels of shut down. You only did a "cycle"
and it was low dose. The longer you're on the harder the suppression. Most steroids will probably shut you down completely over time. Some steroids seem to be harder to recover from, like the nandrolones. Some steroids do not shut you down completely over the short term.
I don't know exactly what would be the least amount to benefit from. With Dbol just 10mg is definitely enough to benefit from if you are an exogenous androgen naive person.
Age also plays into it, young people are more sensitive. So Anadrol might be effective in that same range? Of course you stall quickly but initially it can help you put on a few pounds of lbm. I saw in others, and felt myself, how it worked. It was like 10lbs from 20 5mg tablets in a couple of 15 year olds I saw (yeah I know, not a good idea). Mostly water of course but it was like your gains, it's not simply any old water retention.
Most steroids lower sperm count. There are some theories where in some circumstances they may increase it or not lower it as much. Palumbo has this idea that if you take a very high dose of test some of this test will increase intratesticular test - intratesticular test is essential for sperm production and is usually lowered by test or steroids. I don't know if there is any validity to this but this is his explanation why some Mr O competitors fathered children. Another thing, if you want to remain fertile during steroid use you can do so by by taking a couple of weekly 500iu HCG shots during your cycle. It does this by keeping the testes cranking through the fake signal from the HCG. I would always used HCG for a few reasons but I've been too cheap or lazy to get it. Not all people go sterile from steroids, that's why test never was used as a birt control method. Proviron/mesterolone might be an exeption. I wrote about it above. Ithink it has been used to actuall increase sperm count. Unfortunately there is litte anabolism to be had with it. You might try it after you've been off for a while. See if it improves mood and if there are any positive physical effects, might be some strength gain at least. There aren't many downsides to trying it. If I'm not mistaken it's even OTC in Greece, whereas everything else is stricktly regulated.
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I doubt you'll have issues. It's just so little. But you'll find out.
There are different levels of shut down. You only did a "cycle"
and it was low dose. The longer you're on the harder the suppression. Most steroids will probably shut you down completely over time. Some steroids seem to be harder to recover from, like the nandrolones. Some steroids do not shut you down completely over the short term.
I don't know exactly what would be the least amount to benefit from. With Dbol just 10mg is definitely enough to benefit from if you are an exogenous androgen naive person.
Age also plays into it, young people are more sensitive. So Anadrol might be effective in that same range? Of course you stall quickly but initially it can help you put on a few pounds of lbm. I saw in others, and felt myself, how it worked. It was like 10lbs from 20 5mg tablets in a couple of 15 year olds I saw (yeah I know, not a good idea). Mostly water of course but it was like your gains, it's not simply any old water retention.
Most steroids lower sperm count. There are some theories where in some circumstances they may increase it or not lower it as much. Palumbo has this idea that if you take a very high dose of test some of this test will increase intratesticular test - intratesticular test is essential for sperm production and is usually lowered by test or steroids. I don't know if there is any validity to this but this is his explanation why some Mr O competitors fathered children. Another thing, if you want to remain fertile during steroid use you can do so by by taking a couple of weekly 500iu HCG shots during your cycle. It does this by keeping the testes cranking through the fake signal from the HCG. I would always used HCG for a few reasons but I've been too cheap or lazy to get it. Not all people go sterile from steroids, that's why test never was used as a birt control method. Proviron/mesterolone might be an exeption. I wrote about it above. Ithink it has been used to actuall increase sperm count. Unfortunately there is litte anabolism to be had with it. You might try it after you've been off for a while. See if it improves mood and if there are any positive physical effects, might be some strength gain at least. There aren't many downsides to trying it. If I'm not mistaken it's even OTC in Greece, whereas everything else is stricktly regulated.
Thanks Van!
So I will tell the person who asked me that he could enjoy some success on a cycle of 10mg daily Dbol, or 10mg daily Anadrol [which would be about 3x 25mg tablets per week]. Or maybe Anavar. He wants to make improvements without necessarily, increasing his body mass, but increase his overall fitness level / ability to recover after his daily jogs. He is 50, and has never used steroids of any kind, but has been fit his entire life.
Regarding my sperm count, will it make a full recovery again? I suppose if I lose my sperm count during cycle [I don't know if that happened], that would be fine, as long as it goes back to as high as it's ever been before.
Is there any evidence that steroids will reduce a person's fertility even after the cycle is over? Robert C. Guns was saying that steroids may reduce a person's max T level after the fact [which I interpreted as meaning that your natural T crashes on a cycle, and recovers after, but may not go back to your previous max because your cycle sort of eroded your body's capacity for the.
So my question is - given sufficient time, should my fertility go back to normal after the fact, assuming it [my fertility/ sperm count] dropped slightly during cycle [which, personally, I don't know if it did], or is one possibility that I will have a slightly lower fertility rate forever?
I'm asking because I would have more kids with the right woman, if that came up. So I don't want it risk my sperm count, and one of my massive friends who has cycled everything for decades was unable to have kids, and needed a sperm donor, and now has a baby who is not his biological child.
Is there any reason to think that my fertility would be permanently lowered from steroids - be it my light cycle, or any others?
I'd personally rather not lose my natural hormones, but if fully recovering them is possible, I wouldn't worry about it either.
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Thanks Van!
So I will tell the person who asked me that he could enjoy some success on a cycle of 10mg daily Dbol, or 10mg daily Anadrol [which would be about 3x 25mg tablets per week]. Or maybe Anavar. He wants to make improvements without necessarily, increasing his body mass, but increase his overall fitness level / ability to recover after his daily jogs. He is 50, and has never used steroids of any kind, but has been fit his entire life.
Regarding my sperm count, will it make a full recovery again? I suppose if I lose my sperm count during cycle [I don't know if that happened], that would be fine, as long as it goes back to as high as it's ever been before.
Is there any evidence that steroids will reduce a person's fertility even after the cycle is over? Robert C. Guns was saying that steroids may reduce a person's max T level after the fact [which I interpreted as meaning that your natural T crashes on a cycle, and recovers after, but may not go back to your previous max because your cycle sort of eroded your body's capacity for the.
So my question is - given sufficient time, should my fertility go back to normal after the fact, assuming it [my fertility/ sperm count] dropped slightly during cycle [which, personally, I don't know if it did], or is one possibility that I will have a slightly lower fertility rate forever?
I'm asking because I would have more kids with the right woman, if that came up. So I don't want it risk my sperm count, and one of my massive friends who has cycled everything for decades was unable to have kids, and needed a sperm donor, and now has a baby who is not his biological child.
Is there any reason to think that my fertility would be permanently lowered from steroids - be it my light cycle, or any others?
I'd personally rather not lose my natural hormones, but if fully recovering them is possible, I wouldn't worry about it either.
You will almost certainly make a full recovery. That's my guess. Of course it would be interesting to know how much or how little it reduced your sperm.
Like I said earlier, you should do HCG during any subsequent cycles. I can't see any downsides. That way you don't become sterile in the first place. I mean HCG would be beneficial for other reasons too, like if you have no testosterone in the stack. HCG keeps your normal testosterone going during the cycle.
It seems like there is a magic compound that restores ferility almost every time, if you had it in the first place and you obviously did. It's Human Menopausal Gonadotropin or HMG which is kinda the same as follicle stimulating hormone. This is usually taken 3 times per week preferably with HCG 3 times per week. It's expensive but it's for an important cause :D Dante Doggcrapp said he's recommended it to dozens of guys with problems and he claims it hasn't failed once. Tons and tons of testimonials on the net. If I was infertile I would immediately hop on it. I bet even I could become fertile after 25 years :D
If your buddy wants to take some roids Anavar would probably be the safest bet. But, for optimal results I would add at least a testosterone gel to replace what is lost due to suppression. Test is important cognitively which means extremely important. Of course a tiny drop of GH would be the icing on the cake for this person :D
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Eugenics is essential, dumb violent mentally and physically sick people are outbreeding intelligent healthy people under current circumstances, the long term results will mean the end of civilization and the descent into an anarchic Darwinian hell.
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FCK suicide I’m trying to figure out how to live as long as possible. Not scared of dying because wtf when it’s done it’s done - but damn I love living! Breathing is fckn awesome 😎 man. Even if I was not happy I have a huge family that love me. I can’t think of anything more selfish than bailing on them.
Matt I thought you have kids??? I know you aren’t a full time dad but still man.
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When they move you to the hospice, is that the medical staff basically saying "You're about to die?"
It means they can't help you anymore and death is imminent.
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An article from 2017 that goes into some detail about the cost savings of medically assisted suicide on our socialized healthcare system:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/medically-assisted-death-could-save-millions-1.3947481
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An article from 2017 that goes into some detail about the cost savings of medically assisted suicide on our socialized healthcare system:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/medically-assisted-death-could-save-millions-1.3947481
It's logical but you could see this as a stepping stone to people ending their life when they stop working. Considering societal costs ideally someone would work until they die. This is what many feel the plan is as they keep rising the retirement age. Here they have raised it quite a bit during my lifetime and want to raise it further. Retirement is just costs. During Covid many said they didn't feel at all sorry for "old" folks dying as they aren't much use to society at that point anyway. In my ideal world, we would all be afforded a nice retirement. In general there should be higher respect for the elderly as they have built what we are enjoying. I see elderly people enjoying life and it makes me happy, that is me at some point if I don't die early and suddenly. I wouldn't want to feel like a burden.
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How much basal in a day? Once or twice daily?
Bodybuilders can handle a lot especially if they have no restrictions on carb intake. GH "helps" in this case since it induces resistance. Some of guys with Milos do 100iu of fast acting a day IV! Then other camps do a lot of basal Lantus as well, easily 100iu sometimes double that. Then the Humalog on top. I've done 60 Lantus and 60-80 Novorapid no problem and I didn't even use GH. But yeah my sensitivity probably wasn't that great. If I kept a steady stream of carbs coming I didn't even notice it. It doesn't do a whole lot for me but it does something. Say if you load carbs the day before an attempted PR session it does help you get full and swollen and strong. :D Strangely my worst hypo episodes have been after drinking whey protein, no insulin added. ???
11iu of Lantus twice a day. 12 year old female.
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In Cuck-Canada, hey are exploring "Death by Potty-Seat" since Oak's a half-a-sissy who's turd-tunnel takes a pegging/pounding and ruptures.
Hilarious beta-cuck...
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I had no idea you have a 12-year-old, jwb! I do too - as well two girls, 13 and 5.
It's nice to be a dad.
Had one when I was 38. Didn’t meet my wife until I was 36 and she was 37.
She didn’t finish medical training until age 34 though since she did an MD and a PHD back to back.
She wasn’t very jaded like a typical 37 year old since she had been so busy up until then.
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I want to live to be 100 then get shot by a jealous husband !!
Dying is overrated.
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Will there be an 8 week waiting period before receiving medical services like for the other procedures done in Canada?
;D