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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: DENVER2SANFRAN on August 31, 2022, 08:42:04 AM
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This pic, I believe is from 1956 which would make him 35yo.
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I doubt it. He wasn't a big guy and was gifted with the genetics to be very lean naturally. 10 years later at 45 he was still just as lean and only a little smaller.
However, he does seem like tge kind of guy who may have used a little bit of gear if it were available. Wasn't he one of the guys who worked out at Girondas gym? If so, he may have.
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Solid decent physique there. Was he ever known for his physical development? ???
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Just Slavic genetics, clean diet, and lifting. He was always in good shape.
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He was known as the Chest God until Titus came along
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Bronson was one of the first to extract rhesus monkey pec hormone from gorilla cadavers.
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Fred MacMurray of all people was a big guy in the 30s.
Of course, Clint Walker is the peak of Hollywood mascluinity. 6'6", sorry Arnold, Sly, Chuck, Seagull et all.
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Chuck Buchinsky may have been on some gear, training under Whack-Job Gironda.
If he was I'm sure it was the very small (1 dbol tab a day) which worked wonders.
(Rheo Blair protein and Nilevar tabs).
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F4a%2F8a%2F7a%2F4a8a7a892fa2d2239a411af46ab9ff81.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
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i think its more compelling he played a native american'pollock'
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Fred MacMurray was a 6'3" Clint Walker with a bronze girl.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjVdYHN5/faf27a3773f321a29d0ebfcac54559cc-java-fred.jpg)
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Bronson used to train at vince's gym. however when asked he said he got his development just from climbing ropes at home.
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Meh, he's 50+ here.
Victor McGlaglen was in this, that was a big man.
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Charlie B was reading the Murder books before Titus made it cool.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TYDpvkT2/dhgdghgdhgdhgdhg.jpg)
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I highly reccomend this movie.
Cheyenne Body stars and it has a wild ending.
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Was Bronson sexual?
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So, what year did D Bol become available in Gyms? Apparently, it became a thing in the NFL in the early 60s.
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Was Bronson sexual?
Yes.
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I doubt it. He wasn't a big guy and was gifted with the genetics to be very lean naturally. 10 years later at 45 he was still just as lean and only a little smaller.
However, he does seem like tge kind of guy who may have used a little bit of gear if it were available. Wasn't he one of the guys who worked out at Girondas gym? If so, he may have.
Would Gironda's Gym been the gym "Vince's" that was mentioned in Boogie Nights?
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So, what year did D Bol become available in Gyms? Apparently, it became a thing in the NFL in the early 60s.
Earliest reference to a professional bodybuilder taking steroids was Bill Pearl in 1958 I think it hit the mainstream of bodybuilding in the early 60s and later into other sports
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So, what year did D Bol become available in Gyms? Apparently, it became a thing in the NFL in the early 60s.
1956 or so.
Hoffman knew about it, his lifters used it.
Bodybuilders from his gym would use it.
Word travels fast. Im sure it spread very quickly to the west-coast from York...
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(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2BHDRJR/charles-bronson-never-so-few-1959-2BHDRJR.jpg).
Still from "Never So Few" in 1959, it's a good film.
Not the best pic, but in 1959 GE held a contest where you'd get 16 silver dollars/lb for the closest guess of how many GE photo test lamps would equal Bronson's weight of #171 at 5' 8"ish. For those wondering, it takes a hair over 51,000 test lamps (no picture what type of lamp).
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1956 or so.
Hoffman knew about it, his lifters used it.
Bodybuilders from his gym would use it.
Word travels fast. Im sure it spread very quickly to the west-coast from York...
Dr John Zeigler created D-bol and was experimenting on York weightlifters with just test with not much success , John Grimek said he actually thought it hindered his performance but this was the earliest trials , then he created D-bol
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(https://www.imago-images.com/bild/st/0094615650/w.jpg).
One more from late (October) 1958. Bronson was weighed at #171 in March 1959 for the GE / "Man With a Camera" cross promotion.
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He had a great tough guy physique even in the early 70ies but would fall apart quickly later on.
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Bronson may have been a juicer, as the analytical data would suggest he was.
However he was better known for being a connoisseur of first rate wigs.
His actually coined the term wigardly because he was a wizard at making hair pieces appear natural. He is the inspiration for many men in the bb industry (Gary Strydom and Mike O’hearn for example).
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The Man Behind the Juice
Fifty years ago, a doctor brought steroids to America.
BY JUSTIN PETERS
FEB 18, 20056:14 PM
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The BALCO scandal and Jose Canseco’s best-selling book Juiced have kept steroids on the front page of the sports section for months. Yet athletes have been pumping themselves up with anabolic steroids for nearly 50 years, long before the days of “the cream” and “the clear.” So, who’s responsible for bringing steroids into the sports world?
The godfather of steroids was a rough-and-tumble Maryland physician named John Bosley Ziegler. Ziegler practiced medicine in Olney, Md. and conducted chemistry research at a company called Ciba Pharmaceuticals. A big, fleshy former Marine who answered to the nickname “Montana Jack,” Ziegler loved to pump iron. During his long sessions at the gym, he befriended several bodybuilders associated with the York (Pa.) Barbell Club.
In the 1950s, York was at the center of American fitness training, and Bob Hoffman was the movement’s spiritual leader. Hoffman, who competed with Joe Weider and Charles Atlas for the title of America’s main muscleman, also ran the York Barbell Co. “I am proud that I am a builder of men,” he wrote in the 1939 book Weight Lifting. The men he built included such famed old-time strongmen as John Grimek, John Davis, and Paul Anderson.
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Hoffman figured that Ziegler’s scientific credentials would prove useful in supplementing his bodybuilding theories, and Ziegler soon became a vital part of the York entourage. In 1954, Ziegler went with his York buddies to the World Weightlifting Championships in Vienna, Austria, as the team’s doctor. Ziegler watched as the Soviets hoisted ungodly amounts of steel. Like any red-blooded American, he was leery of the Russians, whose physiques he found suspiciously hairy and outsized. “ome of the competitors, even young ones in their 20s, needed to be catheterized in order to urinate,” he later told the Los Angeles Times.
In vodka veritas, reasoned Ziegler, and he invited the USSR’s team doctor to a local tavern. According to Ziegler, the lubricated Soviet revealed that his lifters were building their muscles with testosterone. Testosterone functions both anabolically—building muscle and stimulating growth—and androgenically—developing sex organs and other sex characteristics. When the body’s natural production is supplemented by pills or injections, users experience both rapid strength gains and hormonal imbalances that wreak androgenic havoc on the body. (Although it has long been alleged that Nazi physicians injected soldiers with testosterone during World War II, there’s no concrete evidence that this is true.)
Upon returning to the United States, Ziegler started administering straight testosterone shots to selected York weightlifters. But these experiments proved unsatisfactory—strength gains were negligible, and the bodybuilders complained that the shots made them feel strange. Ziegler kept tinkering in an attempt to synthesize a substance with testosterone’s strength-building attributes but none of the pesky side effects. In 1958, Ciba Pharmaceuticals unleashed his creation: methandrostenolone, which the company marketed as Dianabol.
Dianabol, which is commonly regarded as one of the world’s first anabolic steroids, was most commonly administered to burn victims and the elderly. The drug’s off-label users were mostly bodybuilders. After testing the new drugs himself to make sure they were safe—yes, Ziegler found, he could urinate without a catheter—the good doctor spread the word to the York Barbell Club.
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Bob Hoffman and his bodybuilders were already accustomed to popping supplements. Hoffman made millions peddling a soy-based protein powder called Hi-Proteen, and Barbell Club members were heavy users of the stuff. It didn’t take much persuading for them to give John Ziegler’s pills a try. The results were stark and sudden. By the early 1960s, the York lifters had become the beefiest in the country. Though Bob Hoffman gave all the credit to a new training regimen called isometric contraction, the real secret soon came out. After failing to make any strides using isometric contraction, powerlifter Terry Todd kept pestering his York buddies. “Finally they showed me a small brown bottle that contained 100 five-milligram tablets of Dianabol,” Todd wrote in Sports Illustrated in 1983. ” ‘This is the secret,’ they told me.”
Weightlifters and other athletes clamored for “Doc Ziegler’s mysterious pink pills.” Ziegler himself only prescribed Dianabol in small doses, but iron gamers eager for a competitive edge regularly exceeded his recommendations. Ziegler was horrified by this excess, especially when he examined Dianabol users and found enlarged prostates and atrophied testes. The lifters paid little heed, as John Fair recounts in his recent book Muscletown USA. “What is it with these simple-minded shits?” complained an exasperated Ziegler. “I’m the doctor!”
Fed up with muscleheads, Ziegler parted ways with York in 1967. But Dianabol continued to haunt him. Ziegler suffered from heart disease, a condition he partially ascribed to his experimentation with steroids. By the time of his 1983 death from heart failure, Ziegler came out against his invention. “It is bad enough to have to deal with drug addicts, but now healthy athletes are putting themselves in the same category,” he wrote in the introduction to Bob Goldman’s history of drugs and sports, Death in the Locker Room. “It’s a disgrace. Who plays sports for fun anymore?”
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Chuck Buchinsky may have been on some gear, training under Whack-Job Gironda.
If he was I'm sure it was the very small (1 dbol tab a day) which worked wonders.
(Rheo Blair protein and Nilevar tabs).
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F4a%2F8a%2F7a%2F4a8a7a892fa2d2239a411af46ab9ff81.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Why is Gironda a "whack job?"
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Why is Gironda a "whack job?"
Just a crazy, grouchy old drunk... A miserable prick.
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Just a crazy, grouchy old drunk... A miserable prick.
I've never known that side of him. He's a revolutionary genius in terms of training.
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Lololololol, what an asshole. 🥴😵💫
Reminds me of a real life Mr. Wonderful.
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(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2BHDRJR/charles-bronson-never-so-few-1959-2BHDRJR.jpg).
Still from "Never So Few" in 1959, it's a good film.
Not the best pic, but in 1959 GE held a contest where you'd get 16 silver dollars/lb for the closest guess of how many GE photo test lamps would equal Bronson's weight of #171 at 5' 8"ish. For those wondering, it takes a hair over 51,000 test lamps (no picture what type of lamp).
Wow, 38yo there you guys who said he had good genes weren't kidding.
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Wow, 38yo there you guys who said he had good genes weren't kidding.
They meant jeans, as in denim. The leg holes need tapering but otherwise those Levi’s could be worn today with no issue.
He had great Jeans dude. Jeans.
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They meant jeans, as in denim. The leg holes need tapering but otherwise those Levi’s could be worn today with no issue.
He had great Jeans dude. Jeans.
I knew that.
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He had a great tough guy physique even in the early 70ies but would fall apart quickly later on.
He was born in 1921 so....
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I knew that.
My apologies.
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Would Gironda's Gym been the gym "Vince's" that was mentioned in Boogie Nights?
Great question Matt. With it being on Netflix, I've been watching it almost daily. Love that movie. Wish it would come out that Heather Graham really sucks Mark's cock in the nightclub BJ scene.
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Great question Matt. With it being on Netflix, I've been watching it almost daily. Love that movie. Wish it would come out that Heather Graham really sucks Mark's cock in the nightclub BJ scene.
I'm sure she did off-camera.
Here is the scene where "Vince's" was mentioned - between 1:30 and 2:00 here. So would that be Gironda's Gym?
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Lololololol, what an asshole. 🥴😵💫
Reminds me of a real life Mr. Wonderful.
Gironda was a genius. Moody and all but he knew what he was talking about. Most people have shitty biceps and work front deltoid too much while curling. Do it his way and your weights drop, but the pain goes right to your biceps. I have all Gironda's teachings. Joe Weider sent his top guys to Vince in the 60s,and 70s.
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Was Bronson sexual?
Bro...
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So the story goes, on the set of “The Great Escape,” Bronson told David McCallum that he was going to marry his wife, Jill Ireland.
He married McCallum’s wife a few years later.
A few grams of whatever? I dunno.
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680715.0;attach=1389757;image)
His physique looks just like Bhanky. Same exact size and condition, but just less tears.
Bronson must be on the bio identical stack.
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As much muscle as needed to look good in everyday life, especially back in the day..., always thought this was a good pic
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHgFj55AdPnO8jXBvgmIqPuZVm443z9P4XtQ&usqp=CAU)
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Gironda was a genius. Moody and all but he knew what he was talking about. Most people have shitty biceps and work front deltoid too much while curling. Do it his way and your weights drop, but the pain goes right to your biceps. I have all Gironda's teachings. Joe Weider sent his top guys to Vince in the 60s,and 70s.
His nutrition knowledge and principles IMO, are the best ever...
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As much muscle as needed to look good in everyday life, especially back in the day..., always thought this was a good pic
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHgFj55AdPnO8jXBvgmIqPuZVm443z9P4XtQ&usqp=CAU)
That looks like late 60's early 70's. Id guess he's 50 in that pic. At least 50. Solid for the era and the age.
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I'm sure she did off-camera.
Here is the scene where "Vince's" was mentioned - between 1:30 and 2:00 here. So would that be Gironda's Gym?
Pretty sure the films director, Paul Thomas Anderson, confirmed this.
Ive never been to California, much less L.A., was Vinces gym in San Fernando Valley?
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Bill Pearl used Nilevar in the late 1950s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metandienone
Metandienone (Dianabol) was first described in 1955. It was synthesized by researchers at the CIBA laboratories in Basel, Switzerland. CIBA filed for a U.S. patent in 1957, and began marketing the drug as Dianabol in 1958 in the U.S. It was initially prescribed to burn victims and the elderly. It was also prescribed off-label as a pharmaceutical performance enhancement to weight lifters and other athletes. Early adopters included players for Oklahoma University and San Diego Chargers head coach Sid Gillman, who administered Dianabol to his team starting in 1963
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Gironda was a genius. Moody and all but he knew what he was talking about. Most people have shitty biceps and work front deltoid too much while curling. Do it his way and your weights drop, but the pain goes right to your biceps. I have all Gironda's teachings. Joe Weider sent his top guys to Vince in the 60s,and 70s.
Are his teachings in book form or video? I'd be interested. I changed the way I bench because of his teachings years ago (to the neck, elbows out) changed my chest.
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Are his teachings in book form or video? I'd be interested. I changed the way I bench because of his teachings years ago (to the neck, elbows out) changed my chest.
many books, vsl volumes 1-3.
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many books, vsl volumes 1-3.
It goes for a couple hundred bucks online. I just found a free PDF of it.
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It goes for a couple hundred bucks online. I just found a free PDF of it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=158432.0 there's a lot on Vince in this thread on the history board of this very site.
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That looks like late 60's early 70's. Id guess he's 50 in that pic. At least 50. Solid for the era and the age.
KINDA like the stallone walking pic seen last few yrs minus the gh look,thats what sly would like cleanish/dieted ...
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Are his teachings in book form or video? I'd be interested. I changed the way I bench because of his teachings years ago (to the neck, elbows out) changed my chest.
OK if done light/strict. Otherwise, it could be problematic. (Shoulders).
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OK if done light/strict. Otherwise, it could be problematic. (Shoulders).
this,,i did them for yrs
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I used to think highly of Vince but let's face it all of his star pupils were on steroids. I can't get past that.
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no he wasnt, he was cornholing your mom tho...
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Lololololol, what an asshole. 🥴😵💫
Reminds me of a real life Mr. Wonderful.
:D
He could have been an enemy in the old PunchOut.
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He could have been an enemy in the old PunchOut.
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Great question Matt. With it being on Netflix, I've been watching it almost daily. Love that movie. Wish it would come out that Heather Graham really sucks Mark's cock in the nightclub BJ scene.
He's Iriish he only has a 4 lnch dick in real life.
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He's Iriish he only has a 4 lnch dick in real life.
Has this been confirmed by the sites official genitalia statistician, Primemuscle?
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Has this been confirmed by the sites official genitalia statistician, Primemuscle?
;D
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Bronson may have been a juicer, as the analytical data would suggest he was.
However he was better known for being a connoisseur of first rate wigs.
His actually coined the term wigardly because he was a wizard at making hair pieces appear natural. He is the inspiration for many men in the bb industry (Gary Strydom and Mike O’hearn for example).
Got pic of his real hair?
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Got pic of his real hair?
Great question Kwon.
Apparently Broson removed all of his personal “pre Hollywood” photos from circulation. He was really a forerunner in making sure his previous life was kept covered up, he was once credited with coining the phrase, “What I do for work is separate from my personal life.” My celebrities and athletes say something similar today and Bronson never gets credit for inventing the work/personal life separation.
All that said I’m sure there are photos of his hair on the dark web somewhere.
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Has this been confirmed by the sites official genitalia statistician, Primemuscle?
;D Primehomo would be the one to ask. I’m sure he’s gotten a lot of submissions since the Matt show.
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Great question Kwon.
Apparently Broson removed all of his personal “pre Hollywood” photos from circulation. He was really a forerunner in making sure his previous life was kept covered up, he was once credited with coining the phrase, “What I do for work is separate from my personal life.” My celebrities and athletes say something similar today and Bronson never gets credit for inventing the work/personal life separation.
All that said I’m sure there are photos of his hair on the dark web somewhere.
He always had good hair with a very low Slavic hairline,it happens, see below, as a kid and pre fame marriage. Obviously a hell of a lot of hollywood men used wigs etc but unless there is a pic of bronson with a stringy combover somwhere I'm doubting he is one of them
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/79/cd/e9/79cde99a20be5a65e43da64accab763d.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScEPvyXCy_Xkyts0kawhl_SCMUtXAEB_CPVg&usqp=CAU)
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScEPvyXCy_Xkyts0kawhl_SCMUtXAEB_CPVg&usqp=CAU)
(https://www.nickiswift.com/img/gallery/josh-hartnett-finally-reveals-why-he-turned-his-back-on-hollywood/l-intro-1638964664.jpg)
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He always had good hair with a very low Slavic hairline,it happens, see below, as a kid and pre fame marriage. Obviously a hell of a lot of hollywood men used wigs etc but unless there is a pic of bronson with a stringy combover somwhere I'm doubting he is one of them
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/79/cd/e9/79cde99a20be5a65e43da64accab763d.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScEPvyXCy_Xkyts0kawhl_SCMUtXAEB_CPVg&usqp=CAU)
I understand what you’re saying Delon. He had a great head of hair. Many men do when they are young.
I also know it can be hard to realize when our hero’s are not the men we have created in our minds. It can be devastating to find out they are flawed humans just like us. And they are all humans (Unless they are Reptilians, who are also bald. But there is no reason to think CB was Reptilian).
Let’s remember Bronson for the great hair he had and not the wigs he wore.
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I understand what you’re saying Delon. He had a great head of hair. Many men do when they are young.
I also know it can be hard to realize when our hero’s are not the men we have created in our minds. It can be devastating to find out they are flawed humans just like us. And they are all humans (Unless they are Reptilians, who are also bald. But there is no reason to think CB was Reptilian).
Let’s remember Bronson for the great hair he had and not the wigs he wore.
Haha awesome projecting, but yes let's remember the hair, real or not
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I've never known that side of him. He's a revolutionary genius in terms of training.
and diet, dude was way ahead of his time, knew the importance of eggs, beef, and liver..way before Liver King/Dr. Shawn Baker and various other carnivore docs.
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Of course he was..Jeez
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Bronson apparently was goon handed by Al "Sollozzo" Lettieri on the set of Mr Majestyk. Bronson was supposedly being a grump on the set, and Lettieri, who was banging hookers and getting drunk occasional during the shooting, picked him up and carried him around like a small child while he explained to him that he should cheer up.
Lettieri also scared the crap out of Steve McQueen over McQueen editing "The Getaway" script on the fly. It got so nasty that security had to be on set whenever those two had scene.
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KINDA like the stallone walking pic seen last few yrs minus the gh look,thats what sly would like cleanish/dieted ...