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Title: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 09, 2022, 04:39:02 PM
Just like the Vax, worthless. All these idiots getting a tube snaked up their asses yearly for nothing.



Screening procedure fails to prevent colon cancer deaths in large study, Life & Culture - THE BUSINESS TIMES

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/life-culture/screening-procedure-fails-to-prevent-colon-cancer-deaths-in-large-study
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 09, 2022, 04:49:35 PM
Interesting.  Thanks for posting.

I've had two colonoscopies so far with another due next year.

I had the first one, then the second three years later, and the next scheduled for seven years after that.

No polyps in the first two.

I don't see a reason to have the next one.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Randomum on October 09, 2022, 11:19:13 PM
Thin Lizzy is right all those recommendations are made by doctors who want to charge you thousands in colonoscopies so they can pay their school loans and because they like sticking things up peoples a$$e$.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Gym-Rat on October 09, 2022, 11:58:13 PM
Ill still get it done though. My uncle and my brother (47) both died from it, and normally its (can be) hereditary.
I did take some blood test where some can have "the gene" for it where its almost guaranteed you'd get it (or something like that).
(And was negative).
Both very east tests and Ill continue w/ them every 5-10 years. It has saved some people when caught early...
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Randomum on October 10, 2022, 12:00:14 AM
If it can help then by all means do it. I wonder if that research is flawed.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 10, 2022, 12:19:00 AM
I'll just do the poop in the box and mail it in method. I'd hate to be the employee that has to sort through everyone's shit.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 10, 2022, 01:55:52 AM
If it can help then by all means do it. I wonder if that research is flawed.

The late great Frank Zappa died of Colon Cancer. I remember hearing him say he got the exam every year but when the Doctors did find the Cancer they  said it was too late.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Moontrane on October 10, 2022, 02:06:42 AM
The late great Frank Zappa died of Colon Cancer. I remember hearing him say he got the exam every year but when the Doctors did find the Cancer they  said it was too late.

No, my friend, it was prostate cancer.  He, I think, got "nothing to see here, move along," from his doctor.  Fuck his doctor.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 10, 2022, 03:31:30 AM
Just like the Vax, worthless. All these idiots getting a tube snaked up their asses yearly for nothing.



Screening procedure fails to prevent colon cancer deaths in large study, Life & Culture - THE BUSINESS TIMES

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/life-culture/screening-procedure-fails-to-prevent-colon-cancer-deaths-in-large-study

Interesting study, but colonoscopies are not done yearly on the same person.  They are done every 3 - 10 years depending on the doctor and what they find each time.

If your GI doctor is giving you a colonoscopy yearly, then he's a rapist.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: funk51 on October 10, 2022, 03:46:57 AM
 
    maybe colonguard is right for you.  ;D
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 10, 2022, 03:56:42 AM
There are risks to surgeries that most of us shrug off.

However, these risks are real and you can get messed up badly.

Avoid unnecessary medical procedures.

The risk of colonoscopy is perforation of your colon and other things that can mess you up.  If the procedure doesn't really help why take the risk?
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 10, 2022, 03:58:55 AM
Ill still get it done though. My uncle and my brother (47) both died from it, and normally its (can be) hereditary.
I did take some blood test where some can have "the gene" for it where its almost guaranteed you'd get it (or something like that).
(And was negative).
Both very east tests and Ill continue w/ them every 5-10 years. It has saved some people when caught early...

Are you having colonoscopies or the stool test?
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Gym-Rat on October 10, 2022, 04:31:30 AM
Are you having colonoscopies or the stool test?

Doc has me go every 5-10 yrs for oscopy, and yearly for those "crap and mail" tests.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 10, 2022, 05:54:27 AM
There are risks to surgeries that most of us shrug off.

However, these risks are real and you can get messed up badly.

Avoid unnecessary medical procedures.

The risk of colonoscopy is perforation of your colon and other things that can mess you up.  If the procedure doesn't really help why take the risk?

This x100000

I grew up around hospitals and know what they do well and what they don’t.

They’re good with emergency procedures like a ruptured appendix, and repair jobs like knee surgery.

They don’t do disease well as their only treatment protocol is prescription drugs.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Marty Champions on October 10, 2022, 06:00:51 AM
gee daddy how they get colon cancer from diet?
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 10, 2022, 06:40:10 AM
gee daddy how they get colon cancer from diet?

Sitting on fence posts.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Marty Champions on October 10, 2022, 07:07:15 AM
im confused is a symptom of colon cancer constipation?
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 10, 2022, 08:05:53 AM
im confused is a symptom of colon cancer constipation?

Chronic constipation irritates the colon which may raise the risk of cancer.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Griffith on October 10, 2022, 08:25:12 AM
This x100000

I grew up around hospitals and know what they do well and what they don’t.

They’re good with emergency procedures like a ruptured appendix, and repair jobs like knee surgery.

They don’t do disease well as their only treatment protocol is prescription drugs.

That's good to know.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT on October 10, 2022, 08:27:59 AM
Chris Duffy......prepping for his year colon screening.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: tommywishbone on October 10, 2022, 08:44:28 AM
Just like the Vax, worthless. All these idiots getting a tube snaked up their asses yearly for nothing.



Screening procedure fails to prevent colon cancer deaths in large study, Life & Culture - THE BUSINESS TIMES

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/life-culture/screening-procedure-fails-to-prevent-colon-cancer-deaths-in-large-study

More AMA bullshit. Now they want anxiety screening. LOL!
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: BB on October 10, 2022, 08:45:36 AM
Chris Duffy......prepping for his year colon screening.

That's a weird looking scope :-\.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on October 10, 2022, 03:27:22 PM
This x100000

I grew up around hospitals and know what they do well and what they don’t.

They’re good with emergency procedures like a ruptured appendix, and repair jobs like knee surgery.

They don’t do disease well as their only treatment protocol is prescription drugs.

Former healthcare here and I would agree.  I'll provide some additional context:

1) most/all disease would be improved or even cured with lifestyle changes.  As i'm sure you can imagine, american adults aren't real good about making lifestyle changes - just look at allthe people who are overweight.  So you do the next best thing which is manage it via medication .. far easier to pop a pill than to eat better or exercise.

2) medical interventions that aren't pharmaceutical-based are gonna be labor- and time-intensive.  Hospital networks are looking to maximize their bottom line so they run bare-bones staffing numbers, which means you wont have staff on hand to carry out these other interventions.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: MAXX on October 10, 2022, 11:55:03 PM
It is preventable through lifestyle changes.

https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/colorectal-cancer-prevention-and-screening

Simply eat a well balanced diet.

Quote
Prevention
About 90 percent of colorectal cancers and deaths are thought to be preventable. In addition to regular colorectal cancer screenings, exercise and maintaining a healthy weight can reduce your risk of colorectal cancer.

To prevent colorectal cancer, the following is recommended:

Eat a well-balanced diet.
Reduce the fat you consume, particularly animal fat.
Increase your consumption of fruits and vegetables.
Exercise regularly.
Don't smoke.
Take a low dose aspirin a day. Aspirin can reduce the development of polyps, particularly in patients with previous history of polyps or colorectal cancer.
Take calcium supplements. Researchers believe calcium decreases the growth rate of polyps.

I will add to that. Wet wipes!

Always wipe your shit with wet tissue paper, or better use a shower head for your butthole. This did wonders for me.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 11, 2022, 12:44:22 AM
Chris Duffy......prepping for his year colon screening.
The doctor wouldn't even need a tube. Just spread his cheeks and look right up his colon. :-X
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 11, 2022, 03:50:59 AM
It is preventable through lifestyle changes.

https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/colorectal-cancer-prevention-and-screening


Simply eat a well balanced diet.


No proof any of that stuff prevents colon cancer.

Eating lots of fiber may even cause colon cancer.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: MAXX on October 11, 2022, 05:27:22 AM
No proof any of that stuff prevents colon cancer.

Eating lots of fiber may even cause colon cancer.
What's your source on that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorectal_cancer

Majority of studies seem to point in the direction that a balanced diet free from processed meats and rich in grains, vegetables and fruit to be benefitial.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 11, 2022, 06:16:01 AM
Former healthcare here and I would agree.  I'll provide some additional context:

1) most/all disease would be improved or even cured with lifestyle changes.  As i'm sure you can imagine, american adults aren't real good about making lifestyle changes - just look at allthe people who are overweight.  So you do the next best thing which is manage it via medication .. far easier to pop a pill than to eat better or exercise.

2) medical interventions that aren't pharmaceutical-based are gonna be labor- and time-intensive.  Hospital networks are looking to maximize their bottom line so they run bare-bones staffing numbers, which means you wont have staff on hand to carry out these other interventions.

With Covid, the data could not have been more clear that obesity was a primary factor yet the issue wasn’t even addressed,  and vaccines were deemed the be all end all.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 11, 2022, 08:25:12 AM
What's your source on that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorectal_cancer

Majority of studies seem to point in the direction that a balanced diet free from processed meats and rich in grains, vegetables and fruit to be benefitial.

Inflammation/irritation of the bowels is suspected as a cause of colon cancer.

Fiber appears to cause inflammation.  There is a lot of info about this on the web.

It goes against the accepted theories about dietary fiber.

Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 11, 2022, 09:40:45 AM
What's your source on that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorectal_cancer

Majority of studies seem to point in the direction that a balanced diet free from processed meats and rich in grains, vegetables and fruit to be benefitial.

Nope.  IroNat ain't lying.

Vegetarians Have Fewer Cancers But Higher Risk Of Colorectal Cancer, Study Says
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142427#1

Researchers have found that a daily dose of ispaghula husks, a supplement sold as a natural laxative, increases the number of polyps in the guts
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1370123/High-fibre-supplement-linked-to-cancer-risk.html

Supplementation with fibre as ispaghula husk may have adverse effects on colorectal adenoma(polyps) recurrence
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11073017/

Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms
"Idiopathic constipation and its associated symptoms can be effectively reduced by stopping or even lowering the intake of dietary fiber."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

A High-Fiber Diet Does Not Protect Against Asymptomatic Diverticulosis
"A high-fiber diet and increased frequency of bowel movements are associated with greater, rather than lower, prevalence of diverticulosis."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3724216/


2014 Nov 24
CRC = colorectal cancer

"In conclusion, based on the quantitative findings and scientific rationale for interpretation documented in the current meta-analysis, red meat intake does not appear to be an independent predictor of CRC risk."
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07315724.2014.992553

2018 Apr 22
"In conclusion, the methodologies employed in current studies of heme have not provided sufficient documentation that the mechanisms studied would contribute to an increased risk of promotion of preneoplasia or colon cancer at usual dietary intakes of red meat in the context of a normal diet."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29689357/

2018 Jul 7
"Red meat is a nutrient dense food providing important amounts of protein, essential amino acids, vitamins, and minerals that are the most common nutrient shortages in the world, including vitamin A, iron, and zinc.  Despite claims by the World Health Organization (WHO) that eating processed meat causes colon cancer and red meat probably causes cancer, the observational data used to support the claims are weak, confounded by multiple unmeasured factors, and not supported by other types of research needed for such a conclusion. Although intervention studies are designed to test the validity of associations found in observational studies, two interventions of low-fat, low-meat diets in volunteers that failed to find a benefit on cancer were not considered in the WHO decision.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7015455/
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: MAXX on October 11, 2022, 09:41:00 AM
Inflammation/irritation of the bowels is suspected as a cause of colon cancer.

Fiber appears to cause inflammation.  There is a lot of info about this on the web.

It goes against the accepted theories about dietary fiber.


Total quack that guy. Checked his videos. One of those carnivore fanatics.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 11, 2022, 09:42:59 AM
Total quack that guy. Checked his videos. One of those carnivore fanatics.

He's not carnivore.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 11, 2022, 09:44:48 AM
2000 Apr 20
"Adopting a diet that is low in fat and high in fiber, fruits, and vegetables does not influence the risk of recurrence of colorectal adenomas."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10770979/

2006 Feb 8
"Statistically significant increases in vegetable, fruit, and grain servings were also made. Despite these dietary changes, there was no evidence that the intervention reduced the risk of invasive colorectal cancer during the follow-up period.

In this study, a low-fat dietary pattern intervention did not reduce the risk of colorectal cancer in postmenopausal women during 8.1 years of follow-up."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16467233/
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2022, 10:12:30 AM
Why not just eat a balanced diet?

This really is not difficult at all.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: MAXX on October 11, 2022, 11:54:33 AM
Why not just eat a balanced diet?

This really is not difficult at all.
That's it. As Mentzer said, simply eat a well balanced diet.

Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 11, 2022, 12:08:49 PM
That's it. As Mentzer said, simply eat a well balanced diet.



60% carbohydrates is way too much and isn't balanced.  And unless it's mostly ultra-processed carbs, that's way too much fiber and plant anti-nutrients messing with your digestion and long-term health.

15% fat is way too low and isn't balanced.  You won't get enough essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins unless you supplement.

25% protein is too low for a bodybuilder, natty or not, or for any athlete.  That isn't balanced.  Protein should be minimum 30% for anyone, and that's pushing it.

There are essential amino acids we must get from dietary protein.  There are essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins we must get from dietary fat.

However there are no such things as essential carbohydrates:

“The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed.”
US Food and Nutrition Board’s 2005 textbook
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/10490/chapter/8#275
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: deadz on October 11, 2022, 12:15:51 PM
Avoid sugar and flour, done.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Titus Pullo on October 11, 2022, 12:21:22 PM
Ill still get it done though. My uncle and my brother (47) both died from it, and normally its (can be) hereditary.
I did take some blood test where some can have "the gene" for it where its almost guaranteed you'd get it (or something like that).
(And was negative).
Both very east tests and Ill continue w/ them every 5-10 years. It has saved some people when caught early...

Nah, man, you're smart to do that.  My late father (RIP) and I clearly inherited intestinal diseases, and both of us were treated for diverticulitis.  In both our cases, our first rounds at the hospital saw us recover with antibiotics; five years later, we both had to go the colostomy bag route and, after a time, have part of our colons removed.  Didn't have the bag anymore and things are okay, but it was still a major setback for us both.

I'd just caution you to pick your surgeons veeeeeery carefully.  One local gal performed a colonoscopy on my aunt and wound up perforating her colon :/
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 11, 2022, 12:48:44 PM
Why not just eat a balanced diet?

This really is not difficult at all.

Hmm...but what is a "balanced diet"?

The diet recommended by the Western medical establishment is about 300 grams of carbs a day.  Is that balanced?

But then why are obesity, diabetes, and gut issues an ever-growing problem in America?

Watch the video in my above post to find out.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/carbohydrates/art-20045705

The Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend that carbohydrates make up 45% to 65% of total daily calories.

So if you get 2,000 calories a day, between 900 and 1,300 calories should be from carbohydrates. That translates to between 225 and 325 grams of carbs a day.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 11, 2022, 12:50:37 PM
That's it. As Mentzer said, simply eat a well balanced diet.



Quoting Mike Mentzer?  You've got to be kidding.  The guy was insane and a drug monkey.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 11, 2022, 02:20:51 PM
Hmm...but what is a "balanced diet"?

The diet recommended by the Western medical establishment is about 300 grams of carbs a day.  Is that balanced?

But then why are obesity, diabetes, and gut issues an ever-growing problem in America?

Watch the video in my above post to find out.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/carbohydrates/art-20045705

The Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend that carbohydrates make up 45% to 65% of total daily calories.

So if you get 2,000 calories a day, between 900 and 1,300 calories should be from carbohydrates. That translates to between 225 and 325 grams of carbs a day.


Eggxactly!

(https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/smiling-and-positive-face-made-from-fried-eggs-and-bacon-on-plate-picture-id919919376?k=20&m=919919376&s=170667a&w=0&h=HSAkmf6u0xGmXn-oYK2SlSd1C7a1WBXQUc8lapgHYPc=)

By the definition of the word, a "balanced" diet would be

33.3 % Fat
33.3 % Protein
33.3 % Carbs

and

50% animal based
50% plant based

The 33.3% carbs with 33.3% fat would be perfect for making anyone obese and unhealthy very quickly.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: GymnJuice on October 11, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
Hmm...but what is a "balanced diet"?

The diet recommended by the Western medical establishment is about 300 grams of carbs a day.  Is that balanced?

But then why are obesity, diabetes, and gut issues an ever-growing problem in America?

Because Americans are lazy and stupid. Anything can be recommended but most will still stuff their faces with donuts and ice cream, and they won't exercise.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 11, 2022, 04:00:03 PM
Because Americans are lazy and stupid. Anything can be recommended but most will still stuff their faces with donuts and ice cream, and they won't exercise.

Interesting info about the effects of insulin on fat storage.

Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Moontrane on October 11, 2022, 05:21:38 PM
With Covid, the data could not have been more clear that obesity was a primary factor yet the issue wasn’t even addressed,  and vaccines were deemed the be all end all.

Yeah, where the hell are the health experts, TV shows, and books describing what we knew months into the spread of C-19?  Lose weight and exercise to reduce comorbidities and you’ll stay out of the hospital and live.  This should be shouted from the roof-tops.  We’ve moved from don’t fat-shame, to fat-acceptance, to fat is healthy.  FTN.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Dave D on October 11, 2022, 05:54:51 PM
60% carbohydrates is way too much and isn't balanced.  And unless it's mostly ultra-processed carbs, that's way too much fiber and plant anti-nutrients messing with your digestion and long-term health.

15% fat is way too low and isn't balanced.  You won't get enough essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins unless you supplement.

25% protein is too low for a bodybuilder, natty or not, or for any athlete.  That isn't balanced.  Protein should be minimum 30% for anyone, and that's pushing it.

There are essential amino acids we must get from dietary protein.  There are essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins we must get from dietary fat.

However there are no such things as essential carbohydrates:

“The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed.”
US Food and Nutrition Board’s 2005 textbook
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/10490/chapter/8#275

We are trusting the US government on dietary recommendations now?
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2022, 05:59:23 PM
Hmm...but what is a "balanced diet"?

The diet recommended by the Western medical establishment is about 300 grams of carbs a day.  Is that balanced?

But then why are obesity, diabetes, and gut issues an ever-growing problem in America?

Watch the video in my above post to find out.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/carbohydrates/art-20045705

The Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend that carbohydrates make up 45% to 65% of total daily calories.

So if you get 2,000 calories a day, between 900 and 1,300 calories should be from carbohydrates. That translates to between 225 and 325 grams of carbs a day.


I think a balanced diet is just that. A good balance between all the essential foods.

There will never be a precise measurement, but just ensuring that one gets enough of good food and a blend of it, is the best we can do.

I don’t think there is any special diet. We have likely over complicated things. But, really, the best we can do is be conscious of what we eat and exercise. There is some part of luck involved in all of it.

Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 12, 2022, 03:49:54 AM
We are trusting the US government on dietary recommendations now?

Whatcha talking about Willis?
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 12, 2022, 04:09:35 AM
I think a balanced diet is just that. A good balance between all the essential foods.

There will never be a precise measurement, but just ensuring that one gets enough of good food and a blend of it, is the best we can do.

I don’t think there is any special diet. We have likely over complicated things. But, really, the best we can do is be conscious of what we eat and exercise. There is some part of luck involved in all of it.



What is a good balance?

Is the recommended 45-65% of daily calories being carbs a good balance?
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 12, 2022, 06:05:19 AM
What is a good balance?

Is the recommended 45-65% of daily calories being carbs a good balance?

If I had to throw out a ballpark number it would be Protein 20-25% with the rest split evenly between carbs and fat.

That said, it’s really a total calorie issue. A large surplus over an extended period of time is the main culprit in lifestyle related issues.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 12, 2022, 06:09:45 AM
If I had to throw out a ballpark number it would be Protein 20-25% with the rest split evenly between carbs and fat.

In my opinion, protein should be 30%-35% minimum, especially as we age.

As for mixing carbs and fat evenly, that's a recipe for disaster.  Choose low fat, or choose low carb.  Can't go low with both at the same time, can't go high/moderate with both at the same time.

Maintaining independence, quality of life, and health is crucial for elderly adults. One of the major threats to living independently is the loss of muscle mass, strength, and function that progressively occurs with aging, known as sarcopenia. Several studies have identified protein (especially the essential amino acids) as a key nutrient for muscle health in elderly adults. Elderly adults are less responsive to the anabolic stimulus of low doses of amino acid intake compared to younger individuals.

However, this lack of responsiveness in healthy older adults can usually be overcome with higher levels of essential amino acid (EAA) consumption.

The addition of nonessential amino acids to a supplement containing EAA does not result in additional stimulation of muscle protein synthesis [27], indicating that the quality of the protein, or its amino acid profile, is a key determinant of the functional potential of protein in muscle health. This is supported by several studies demonstrating that the ingestion of milk proteins, compared with the ingestion of soy protein stimulates muscle protein synthesis to a greater extent after resistance exercise, owing to the higher content of EAA in milk protein [28,29,30,31]. The data from the Health, Aging and Body Composition study support these findings [31], showing that intake of animal protein (with greater content of EAA), but not plant protein, was significantly associated with the preservation of lean body mass over three years in older adults.

The discrepancies in quality between animal and plant protein sources go beyond the amino acid profiles. When the energy content of the protein source is accounted for, the caloric intake needed to meet the EAA requirements from plant sources of protein is considerably higher than the caloric intake from animal sources of protein [36]. This is important to consider since obesity, especially with aging, is a major public health concern. Obesity is the most predominant factor limiting mobility in the elderly.

The consumption of dietary protein consistent with the upper end of the AMDRs (as much as 30%–35% of total caloric intake) may prove to be beneficial, although practical limitations may make this level of dietary protein intake difficult. The consumption of high-quality proteins that are easily digestible and contain a high proportion of EAAs lessens the urgency of consuming diets with an extremely high protein content.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4924200/
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: BB on October 12, 2022, 06:12:14 AM
Eggxactly!

(https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/smiling-and-positive-face-made-from-fried-eggs-and-bacon-on-plate-picture-id919919376?k=20&m=919919376&s=170667a&w=0&h=HSAkmf6u0xGmXn-oYK2SlSd1C7a1WBXQUc8lapgHYPc=)

By the definition of the word, a "balanced" diet would be

33.3 % Fat
33.3 % Protein
33.3 % Carbs


Next Nutrition (Designer Protein) and Duchaine tried this as the Isocaloric Diet and sold a protein powder and book around it. It faded out quickly, then they moved to Body Opus (ketogenic, with weekend refeed).
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 12, 2022, 06:21:18 AM
Next Nutrition (Designer Protein) and Duchaine tried this as the Isocaloric Diet and sold a protein powder and book around it. It faded out quickly, then they moved to Body Opus (ketogenic, with weekend refeed).

Interesting.  I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: BB on October 12, 2022, 06:26:19 AM
Interesting.  I didn't know that.

Yeah, it was around for maybe a year. Here's the book that went with it if you're bored -

https://www.anasci.org/ebooks/Isocaloric_Handbook.pdf .
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 12, 2022, 06:30:23 AM
In my opinion, protein should be 30%-35% minimum, especially as we age.

As for mixing carbs and fat evenly, that's a recipe for disaster.  Choose low fat, or choose low carb.  Can't go low with both at the same time, can't go high/moderate with both at the same time.

Maintaining independence, quality of life, and health is crucial for elderly adults. One of the major threats to living independently is the loss of muscle mass, strength, and function that progressively occurs with aging, known as sarcopenia. Several studies have identified protein (especially the essential amino acids) as a key nutrient for muscle health in elderly adults. Elderly adults are less responsive to the anabolic stimulus of low doses of amino acid intake compared to younger individuals.

However, this lack of responsiveness in healthy older adults can usually be overcome with higher levels of essential amino acid (EAA) consumption.

The addition of nonessential amino acids to a supplement containing EAA does not result in additional stimulation of muscle protein synthesis [27], indicating that the quality of the protein, or its amino acid profile, is a key determinant of the functional potential of protein in muscle health. This is supported by several studies demonstrating that the ingestion of milk proteins, compared with the ingestion of soy protein stimulates muscle protein synthesis to a greater extent after resistance exercise, owing to the higher content of EAA in milk protein [28,29,30,31]. The data from the Health, Aging and Body Composition study support these findings [31], showing that intake of animal protein (with greater content of EAA), but not plant protein, was significantly associated with the preservation of lean body mass over three years in older adults.

The discrepancies in quality between animal and plant protein sources go beyond the amino acid profiles. When the energy content of the protein source is accounted for, the caloric intake needed to meet the EAA requirements from plant sources of protein is considerably higher than the caloric intake from animal sources of protein [36]. This is important to consider since obesity, especially with aging, is a major public health concern. Obesity is the most predominant factor limiting mobility in the elderly.

The consumption of dietary protein consistent with the upper end of the AMDRs (as much as 30%–35% of total caloric intake) may prove to be beneficial, although practical limitations may make this level of dietary protein intake difficult. The consumption of high-quality proteins that are easily digestible and contain a high proportion of EAAs lessens the urgency of consuming diets with an extremely high protein content.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4924200/

The percentage is dependent on total calories. If you lower total calories without raising protein the percentage will be higher.

IMO, people overthink this shit. Just don’t eat too much too often.

An ounce or two of protein one way or another or few percentage point difference in carb and fat intake is splitting hairs.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: JackTheRipper on October 12, 2022, 06:33:34 AM
Just like the Vax, worthless. All these idiots getting a tube snaked up their asses yearly for nothing.



Screening procedure fails to prevent colon cancer deaths in large study, Life & Culture - THE BUSINESS TIMES

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/life-culture/screening-procedure-fails-to-prevent-colon-cancer-deaths-in-large-study

man you´re a Jackass ??? ::)
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 12, 2022, 06:39:07 AM
Just like the Vax, worthless. All these idiots getting a tube snaked up their asses yearly for nothing.



Screening procedure fails to prevent colon cancer deaths in large study, Life & Culture - THE BUSINESS TIMES

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/life-culture/screening-procedure-fails-to-prevent-colon-cancer-deaths-in-large-study

I read a bit more about this study and I think the article above is misinterpreting the study and its results:

A major sticking point for experts who reviewed the study’s findings was that only 42% of the people in the new study who were invited to get colonoscopies actually went through with them.

"This is a flaw of randomized trials of cancer screening tests," said Wender. "They inevitably become trials of invitations to screen, not the test itself."

In fact, the results were actually quite good for the people in the study who got the colonoscopies — a 31% reduction in colon cancer risk and a 50% reduction in risk of dying from it, experts said.

“In order for a colonoscopy to be effective, you have to have it done,”

Ng agreed, saying, “Colonoscopy only works if you actually go through with it.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/need-colonoscopy-new-study-colon-cancer-screening-effectiveness-rcna51515


The actual study:

"In this randomized trial, the risk of colorectal cancer at 10 years was lower among participants who were invited to undergo screening colonoscopy than among those who were assigned to no screening."

Follow-up data were available for 84,585 participants in Poland, Norway, and Sweden — 28,220 in the invited group, 11,843 of whom (42.0%) underwent screening, and 56,365 in the usual-care group.

A total of 15 participants had major bleeding after polyp removal. No perforations or screening-related deaths occurred within 30 days after colonoscopy.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2208375
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 12, 2022, 06:47:22 AM

The percentage is dependent on total calories. If you lower total calories without raising protein the percentage will be higher.


IMO, people overthink this shit. Just don’t eat too much too often.

An ounce or two of protein one way or another or few percentage point difference in carb and fat intake is splitting hairs.

Do you mean the total grams from each macro are dependent on total calories?  Whether or not you lower calories, target percentages remain the same.  That's the whole point of using percentages.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 12, 2022, 06:59:42 AM
Yeah, it was around for maybe a year. Here's the book that went with it if you're bored -

https://www.anasci.org/ebooks/Isocaloric_Handbook.pdf .

Thanks!
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 12, 2022, 07:10:55 AM
Do you mean the total grams from each macro are dependent on total calories?  Whether or not you lower calories, target percentages remain the same.  That's the whole point of using percentages.

I’m saying with 2k calories 150g of protein will be 30%; in a 3k diet, the same amount of protein will be 20%.

From what I’ve seen most protein recommendations are based on bodyweight not percentage of calories consumed.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 12, 2022, 07:22:30 AM
I’m saying with 2k calories 150g of protein will be 30%; in a 3k diet, the same amount of protein will be 20%.

From what I’ve seen most protein recommendations are based on bodyweight not percentage of calories consumed.

Got it.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: GymnJuice on October 12, 2022, 09:47:14 AM
Interesting info about the effects of insulin on fat storage.



Bodybuilder related at 10:55...  ;D
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: ThisisOverload on October 12, 2022, 08:22:57 PM
Interesting info about the effects of insulin on fat storage.



I lost him at the localized fat storage.

Having known people who injected insulin multiple times a day for decades, complete nonsense.

Also, a "balanced" diet doesn't mean "equal parts".

It's a balance of the nourishment required for daily life.

Has nothing to do with muscle building or fat storage, it's based on "life" essentials.

However, it is flawed because carbs are not essential for life.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 13, 2022, 04:13:56 AM
I lost him at the localized fat storage.

Having known people who injected insulin multiple times a day for decades, complete nonsense.

Also, a "balanced" diet doesn't mean "equal parts".

It's a balance of the nourishment required for daily life.

Has nothing to do with muscle building or fat storage, it's based on "life" essentials.

However, it is flawed because carbs are not essential for life.

He said injecting in the same spot for long periods caused the growth.

These people must be diabetics.

Do diabetics always inject in the same spot everyday?

Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 13, 2022, 04:35:56 AM
I lost him at the localized fat storage.

Having known people who injected insulin multiple times a day for decades, complete nonsense.

Lipohypertrophy is a lump of fatty tissue under your skin caused by repeated injections in the same place. It's common in people with diabetes.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22928-lipohypertrophy

 :-X

(https://wchh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/6fb8cb39-4394-47c5-aa0e-8d906ce9416f/pdi1994-fig-0001-m.jpg)

(https://www.mylife-diabetescare.com/assets/images/a/NDL_Lipo_Mann-dbaedb0f.jpg)

(https://pmj.bmj.com/content/postgradmedj/80/950/732/F1.large.jpg)
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: ThisisOverload on October 13, 2022, 06:50:35 PM
He said injecting in the same spot for long periods caused the growth.

These people must be diabetics.

Do diabetics always inject in the same spot everyday?

Like i said, never heard of it and been around diabetics all my life.

My uncle has been shooting Slin around his belly button for over 20 years. He looks completely normal.

They typically rotate in 3-4 places.

Saying it's "common" is very relative.

Why don't all these BBer's who shoot insulin 3-4 times a day have these problems?
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 14, 2022, 02:48:35 AM
Lipohypertrophy is a lump of fatty tissue under your skin caused by repeated injections in the same place. It's common in people with diabetes.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22928-lipohypertrophy

 :-X

(https://wchh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/6fb8cb39-4394-47c5-aa0e-8d906ce9416f/pdi1994-fig-0001-m.jpg)

(https://www.mylife-diabetescare.com/assets/images/a/NDL_Lipo_Mann-dbaedb0f.jpg)

(https://pmj.bmj.com/content/postgradmedj/80/950/732/F1.large.jpg)
There are some ugly ass bodies in this world.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: IroNat on October 14, 2022, 03:21:52 AM
Apparently it is a real thing.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22928-lipohypertrophy

Lipohypertrophy is a lump of fatty tissue under your skin caused by repeated injections in the same place. It’s common in people with diabetes. Lipohypertrophy can affect your body’s ability to absorb insulin and cause serious complications. It’s important to rotate injection or pump sites, inspect the skin and use a new needle for each injection.

What is lipohypertrophy?

Repeated injections in the same area cause lipohypertrophy, which involves a lump of fatty tissue under your skin. The area may feel lumpy, firm or rubbery. It also may be somewhat numb.
Who might get lipohypertrophy?

Lipohypertrophy is common among people who need regular insulin injections or infusion to treat diabetes. It can also affect people who need medication injections for HIV.

Factors that increase your risk include:

    Failing to rotate or change injection or infusion (pump) sites regularly.
    Having a low body mass index (BMI).
    Reusing needles (they should only be used once).
    Using human insulin instead of analog insulin (created in a laboratory).

How common is lipohypertrophy?

The condition is common in people with diabetes, affecting as many as 64% of this population at some point.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 03:39:30 AM
The condition is common in people with diabetes, affecting as many as 64% of this population at some point.

So it isn't complete nonsense, and it's very common given the fact that over 30 million Americans have diabetes, and more than 7 million of them require daily insulin while the rest will likely require it too as some point.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Marty Champions on October 14, 2022, 06:00:36 AM
I lost him at the localized fat storage.

Having known people who injected insulin multiple times a day for decades, complete nonsense.

Also, a "balanced" diet doesn't mean "equal parts".

It's a balance of the nourishment required for daily life.

Has nothing to do with muscle building or fat storage, it's based on "life" essentials.

However, it is flawed because carbs are not essential for life.
Tell that to someone on dialysis
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 06:51:46 AM
Tell that to someone on dialysis

"Dialysate, also called dialysis fluid, dialysis solution or bath, is a solution of pure water, electrolytes and salts, such as bicarbonate and sodium."
https://www.davita.com/treatment-services/dialysis/in-center-hemodialysis/what-is-hemodialysis

Adding glucose to dialysis solution is not only unnecessary, but it's likely harmful:

Hemodialysate solutions often contain high concentrations of glucose (up to 200 mg/dL). The historical reasons for the addition of glucose to the dialysate included: (1) aid in performance of ultrafiltration and (2) minimization of nutritional (caloric) losses during dialysis. However, recent experimental evidence supports the fact that exposure to high levels of glucose may be pro-inflammatory. Given the high morbidity and mortality associated with dialysis and its linkage to chronic inflammation, the routine use of glucose in the dialysate may warrant reexamination.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18394054/
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Rambone on October 14, 2022, 07:10:42 AM
Most Getbiggers have their colon cancer screenings marked on their muscle hunk calendars with the date circled and underlined twice along with a giant smiley face
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: SF1900 on October 14, 2022, 08:39:42 PM
Most Getbiggers have their colon cancer screenings marked on their muscle hunk calendars with the date circled and underlined twice along with a giant smiley face

Lmao!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: ThisisOverload on October 14, 2022, 09:44:25 PM
So it isn't complete nonsense, and it's very common given the fact that over 30 million Americans have diabetes, and more than 7 million of them require daily insulin while the rest will likely require it too as some point.

Name one person you know who has it.

64% get it based on this "study" and i have family members and been around hundreds of people with diabetes and it's never once been mentioned.

Is it like Covid? ;D
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 15, 2022, 01:31:09 AM
Most Getbiggers have their colon cancer screenings marked on their muscle hunk calendars with the date circled and underlined twice along with a giant smiley face
Just hope that tube is really small.
Title: Re: Colon Cancer Screening
Post by: loco on March 01, 2023, 04:28:03 AM
“Keto” Molecule May Be Useful in Preventing and Treating Colorectal Cancer, Penn Study Suggests

April 27, 2022

A molecule produced in the liver in response to low-carb “ketogenic” diets has a powerful effect in suppressing colorectal tumor growth and may be useful as a preventive and treatment of such cancers, according to a new study from researchers at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania.

In the study, published in Nature, researchers initially found that mice on low-carb, high-fat ketogenic diets have a striking resistance to colorectal tumor development and growth. The scientists then traced this effect to beta-hydroxybutyrate (BHB), a small organic molecule produced in the liver in response to keto diets or starvation.

“Our findings suggest that this natural molecule, BHB, could someday become a standard part of colorectal cancer care and prevention,” said study co-senior author Maayan Levy, PhD, an assistant professor of Microbiology at Penn Medicine, whose laboratory collaborated with the lab of Christoph Thaiss, PhD, also an assistant professor of Microbiology. The study’s first author was Oxana Dmitrieva-Posocco, PhD, a postdoctoral researcher in Levy’s lab.

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2022/april/keto-molecule-may-be-useful-in-preventing-and-treating-colorectal-cancer-penn-study-suggests