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#florida counted over 7 million votes in a day meanwhile #ArizonaElection is in day 2 with fake “glitches” and excuses of running out of “ink” can’t even count 2 million votes. Also meanwhile #KatieHobbs who ran from a debate is overseeing her own election 🙄
Btw, Trump was proven right
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#florida counted over 7 million votes in a day meanwhile #ArizonaElection is in day 2 with fake “glitches” and excuses of running out of “ink” can’t even count 2 million votes. Also meanwhile #KatieHobbs who ran from a debate is overseeing her own election 🙄
Btw, Trump was proven right
IMO, when Katie Hobbs decided to run for Governor, she should have resigned as Secretary of State for Arizona. States and territories have constitutional or statutory provisions governing the propriety of dual office-holding. These provisions vary substantially in terms of what may be allowed or prohibited. Apparently, Arizona does not have a provision disallowing her to run for Governor while holding office as the Secretary of State. Seems like a conflict of interest to me.
Interestingly, Arizona, Oregon and Wyoming as well as the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico, the secretary of state is first in the line of succession in the event of a gubernatorial vacancy. And it gets even more convoluted, in 35 states, the Secretary of State is elected, usually for a four-year term. In others, the secretary of state is appointed by the Governor with confirmation with the state's respective Senate. Katie Hobbs term of office ends in January 2023.
Adrian Fontes and Mark Finchem both ran for Arizona Secretary of State in this election. Adrian Fontes (D) has 52% of the vote and Mark Finchem (R) has 47.5%. I don't think that race has been called yet.
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Yeah, a few states hold everything up and never change. Why does Georgia still require a runoff if no one gets over 50% of the vote? Anytime you have 3 candidates running almost guarantees a runoff will be required.
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Funny how “glitch” and machine malfunctions only seem to happen in battleground states
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Funny how “glitch” and machine malfunctions only seem to happen in battleground states
Maybe because Oregon is not a battleground state, we are a little more proactive when it comes to election 'glitches'.
Sherry Hall has had more than her share of mistakes. Last Tuesday the voters finally got rid of her.
https://www.koin.com/news/elections/clackamas-county-clerk-questioned-after-botched-ballots/
After 20 years with Sherry Hall, Clackamas County will have a new county clerk overseeing future elections. Initial results show Catherine McMullen with almost twice as many votes as the incumbent.
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#KatieHobbs who ran from a debate is overseeing her own election 🙄
Btw, Trump was proven right
Oh you mean like Brian Kemp was Secretary of State at the same time as he was running for governor in 2018? Like that? Was it ok then, or just wrong now?
Naw, Trumpy wrong. Never more evident than this past Tuesday.
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lol…
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Welcome to the USSA! ;D
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lol…
Kimberly Yee (R) is an incumbent. Katie Hobbs was Secretary of State for the past 4 years. In Arizona Secretary of State is next-in-line for Governor.
Keri Lake was a TV news anchor prior to running for Governor. She is a radical election denier. She has no political experience. Not all Republicans are election deniers or support Trump. These are mainly folks who are staunch 'Trumpkins'. Like it or not people like Keri Lake are in the minority among Republicans. Republicans and Democrats alike are sick of Trump and his claims of election fraud.
In the general election there is no requirement to vote along party lines. No doubt, many Republicans voted for Katie Hobbs.
"Among 12 prominent endorsements, which started with primary challenges to incumbent Republicans, four won election in Tuesday's voting, while two lost. Three remained uncalled and three lost their primaries." A Trump endorsement may well have been the 'kiss of death' in the mid-term elections.
Several Trump-backed candidates lost, including MAGA gubernatorial candidates Doug Mastriano in Pennsylvania and Dan Cox in Maryland, House candidates J.R. Majewski in Ohio, Karoline Leavitt in New Hampshire and Yesli Vega in Virginia, and Don Bolduc, who he endorsed in the New Hampshire Senate race.
Trump's greatest and most expensive endorsement letdown Wednesday evening came when Democrat John Fetterman defeated Trump-backed Mehmet Oz.
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As of now about 2% remains to be counted - around 50,000 votes. Lake would need about 36,000 of them to win.
Possible but seems unlikely.
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As of now about 2% remains to be counted - around 50,000 votes. Lake would need about 36,000 of them to win.
Possible but seems unlikely.
They called it. It only took a week. ::)
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Lake with the greatest self own in history.
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As of now about 2% remains to be counted - around 50,000 votes. Lake would need about 36,000 of them to win.
Possible but seems unlikely.
The ballot harvesting is the DEMS tool, pre-printed ballots are swapped out for what they pick up, and the ballots to be picked-up/harvested is known ahead of time.
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Of course, there was cheating, right?
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Of course, there was cheating, right?
I can't say for sure on any of this, but they could do a much better job with the optics on this shit, if they actually cared about voter confidence in our elections.
Taking this much time to count votes, running out of ink, etc is not going to instill credibility.
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Of course, there was cheating, right?
Of course. Just like last time. And just like last time, no evidence of such either.
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The ballot harvesting is the DEMS tool, pre-printed ballots are swapped out for what they pick up, and the ballots to be picked-up/harvested is known ahead of time.
Perhaps you could explain for me how the process of ballot harvesting works that precipitates voter fraud.
I realize I am just one person, but in all these many ears of voting, neither I nor any of my family members ever been approached by someone asking to pick up our ballots. Since mail in ballots require a signature which is checked for accuracy how does one swap ballots out for preprinted ones - assuming you mean with the boxes already filled in. Not sure how this it is handled in other states but in Oregon ballots must be marked with a blue or black ink pen. One with the box marks preprinted on it would be rejected.
Ballot harvesting as in the voter's designee collecting ballots and dropping them off at polling stations is allowed in 26 states. In 10 states the person dropping them off must be a family member.
Twenty-seven states conduct signature verification on returned absentee/mail ballots.
Some states require mail-in ballots be notorized or that a copy of the voter's acceptable ID, such as a copy of their driver's license. Nine states require the signature of a witness in addition to the voter’s signature. Three states require the absentee/mail ballot envelope to be notarized. North Carolina allows only a close relative or verified legal guardian to return the ballot, and a witness must sign the absentee ballot envelope.
Arkansas requires a copy of the voter’s ID be returned with the absentee/mail-in ballot. And Georgia requires the voter’s driver’s license number or state identification card number, which is compared with the voter’s registration record. Note: Minnesota and Ohio also require this information, though Minnesota also requires a witness signature, and Ohio conducts signature verification.
One known case of fraud in ballot harvesting was in North Carolina's 9th Congressional District in 2018. There, Republican operative McCrae Dowless was indicted for mishandling absentee ballots to sway the election for a pastor named Mark Harris. As a result, Harris withdrew from the election.
Another recent case was in the Arizona primary where a woman was sentenced to 30 days in jail for collecting four absentee ballots from acquaintances in San Luis, Arizona and leaving them at a drop off bin. In this state it is only legal for someone to drop off ballots for a family member or household member.
Voter fraud is rare. Between 2000 to 2012 only 491 out of 146 million registered voters was election fraud found.
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I can't say for sure on any of this, but they could do a much better job with the optics on this shit, if they actually cared about voter confidence in our elections.
Taking this much time to count votes, running out of ink, etc is not going to instill credibility.
The problem is when something like this happens where everything is under a microscope it’s hard not to have things like this pop up especially when we are relying on government employees.
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The problem is when something like this happens where everything is under a microscope it’s hard not to have things like this pop up especially when we are relying on government employees.
With cameras mysteriously going out at random times and one of the candidates wandering around the ballot counting area, it leaves a lot to the imagination, especially when this type of stuff seems to happen in hotly contested areas.
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With cameras mysteriously going out at random times and one of the candidates wandering around the ballot counting area, it leaves a lot to the imagination, especially when this type of stuff seems to happen in hotly contested areas.
And always one party.
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And always one party.
The people that support that party have no questions or qualms about accepting that as a normal situation. Very odd to me, you would think that the people that scream the most about equality would be up in arms to make sure that everything is fair and equal.
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The people that support that party have no questions or qualms about accepting that as a normal situation. Very odd to me, you would think that the people that scream the most about equality would be up in arms to make sure that everything is fair and equal.
They see their opponents as evil and an existential threat to life on planet Earth itself. Anything they do to win is accepted.
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The people that support that party have no questions or qualms about accepting that as a normal situation. Very odd to me, you would think that the people that scream the most about equality would be up in arms to make sure that everything is fair and equal.
If it were the other way around, they would be up in arms, crying/melting.
Is what it is... Most humans are weak of mind and have no morals...
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And always one party.
That's true. Only republicans declare, the only results they will accept , is winning. ::)
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With cameras mysteriously going out at random times and one of the candidates wandering around the ballot counting area, it leaves a lot to the imagination, especially when this type of stuff seems to happen in hotly contested areas.
What makes you think election glitches only happen in hotly contested areas? They can happen anywhere. The difference is it doesn't become a huge issue elsewhere. The non-partisan Clackamas County Elections Clerk Sherry Hall was finally voted out after several screwups under her watch. "Sherry Hall, the Clackamas County clerk long criticized for inefficiency, is losing her bid to retain a position she has held for almost 20 years, despite running circus-worthy elections year after year." Think of it, she's been messing up the elections for two decades before she was finally given the boot by the voters. This happens to be the county I live in.
Politically the populous in this county is mixed. In Clackamas County, OR 54.0% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 42.9% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 3.2% voted Independent.
In Clackamas County, where the Republican and Democratic candidates/parties get donations from is interesting. A lot of Democrats give a little bit, and a few Republicans donate a lot.
"In the last 4 years (2018-2021), there were 39,548 contributions totaling $3,018,610 to the Democratic Party and liberal campaigns, averaging $76 per contribution.
In the last 4 years, there were 5,404 contributions totaling $1,784,413 to the Republican Party and conservative campaigns, averaging $330 per contribution."
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What makes you think election glitches only happen in hotly contested areas? They can happen anywhere. The difference is it doesn't become a huge issue elsewhere. The non-partisan Clackamas County Elections Clerk Sherry Hall was finally voted out after several screwups under her watch. "Sherry Hall, the Clackamas County clerk long criticized for inefficiency, is losing her bid to retain a position she has held for almost 20 years, despite running circus-worthy elections year after year." Think of it, she's been messing up the elections for two decades before she was finally given the boot by the voters. This happens to be the county I live in.
Politically the populous in this county is mixed. In Clackamas County, OR 54.0% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 42.9% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 3.2% voted Independent.
In Clackamas County, where the Republican and Democratic candidates/parties get donations from is interesting. A lot of Democrats give a little bit, and a few Republicans donate a lot.
"In the last 4 years (2018-2021), there were 39,548 contributions totaling $3,018,610 to the Democratic Party and liberal campaigns, averaging $76 per contribution.
In the last 4 years, there were 5,404 contributions totaling $1,784,413 to the Republican Party and conservative campaigns, averaging $330 per contribution."
How's it going Prime? I trust you and your family are healthy and doing well ?
It doesn't bother me, that MAGA doesn't agree with my political views.
What puzzles me is the sources they find credible.
For example, they ridicule and ignore the advice of an army of medical docs and virology experts.
Instead they believe some joker making a video in his car telling them to buy some unproven , unrelated compound at inflated prices.
It's like having a car mechanic drill your teeth and fill a cavity and a dentist is hired to fix your car. WTF?
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What makes you think election glitches only happen in hotly contested areas? They can happen anywhere. The difference is it doesn't become a huge issue elsewhere.
Can you find a single event that benefitted a republican candidate? I'm sure you could find several events that when cleared up benefitted democrats.
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What makes you think election glitches only happen in hotly contested areas? They can happen anywhere. The difference is it doesn't become a huge issue elsewhere. The non-partisan Clackamas County Elections Clerk Sherry Hall was finally voted out after several screwups under her watch. "Sherry Hall, the Clackamas County clerk long criticized for inefficiency, is losing her bid to retain a position she has held for almost 20 years, despite running circus-worthy elections year after year." Think of it, she's been messing up the elections for two decades before she was finally given the boot by the voters. This happens to be the county I live in.
Politically the populous in this county is mixed. In Clackamas County, OR 54.0% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 42.9% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 3.2% voted Independent.
In Clackamas County, where the Republican and Democratic candidates/parties get donations from is interesting. A lot of Democrats give a little bit, and a few Republicans donate a lot.
"In the last 4 years (2018-2021), there were 39,548 contributions totaling $3,018,610 to the Democratic Party and liberal campaigns, averaging $76 per contribution.
In the last 4 years, there were 5,404 contributions totaling $1,784,413 to the Republican Party and conservative campaigns, averaging $330 per contribution."
So friggen tired of left excuses that only seem to happen in liberal counties when republicans are losing where the vote counts have to be extended because “they ran out ink” and then when the new one were delivered they were the wrong ones….ok, fine. Glitches right? But anyone with any common sense that knows the lefts MO when it comes to voter integrity knows this benefits Democrats 95+% of the time when counting goes past its deadlines and anyone with any common sense knows that mail in (not absentee ballots), ballot harvesting and no voter ID is a SURE way to cheat. For fucks sake, Pennsylvania elected a dead person.
Also, there is NO WAY a Democrat can win on policy alone and they know it which is why they bail from debate or they do they publicly get railed like Fettermen and Hochul. And forget Hobbs, she was a no show.
So spare me with the “glitch” bullshit
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These piss poor excuses.... LOL!
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Democrats are the only party that puts forth policy. For 40+ years now the GOP is all about trickle down. If I were President Biden I'd say lets build the fucking wall but the compromise is using mostly union labor. Make it a border security issue and jobs bill all at once. This would pretty much put the nail in the GOP coffin.
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How's it going Prime? I trust you and your family are healthy and doing well ?
It doesn't bother me, that MAGA doesn't agree with my political views.
What puzzles me is the sources they find credible.
For example, they ridicule and ignore the advice of an army of medical docs and virology experts.
Instead they believe some joker making a video in his car telling them to buy some unproven , unrelated compound at inflated prices.
It's like having a car mechanic drill your teeth and fill a cavity and a dentist is hired to fix your car. WTF?
Thank you for asking, we are all healthy and doing fine, both here and in Germany. We missed traveling to Germany late last summer to attend a celebration on behalf of my great-grandson's starting regular school... 1st grade. It is a big event there. Germans love any reason to party.
How is retirement to condo living suiting you and your wife?
As for what some folks believe about government today, it reminds me of the 60's (1965 to be exact) when it became immensely unpopular to trust the establishment even when the establishment was largely responsible for making the U.S. economy in the mid 60's the strongest this country has ever known.
Check the Pew Research on Public Trust in Government link out: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/06/06/public-trust-in-government-1958-2022/ It is very interesting.
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Democrats are the only party that puts forth policy. For 40+ years now the GOP is all about trickle down. If I were President Biden I'd say lets build the fucking wall but the compromise is using mostly union labor. Make it a border security issue and jobs bill all at once. This would pretty much put the nail in the GOP coffin.
I would prefer less policy and government intervention.
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So friggen tired of left excuses that only seem to happen in liberal counties when republicans are losing where the vote counts have to be extended because “they ran out ink” and then when the new one were delivered they were the wrong ones….ok, fine. Glitches right? But anyone with any common sense that knows the lefts MO when it comes to voter integrity knows this benefits Democrats 95+% of the time when counting goes past its deadlines and anyone with any common sense knows that mail in (not absentee ballots), ballot harvesting and no voter ID is a SURE way to cheat. For fucks sake, Pennsylvania elected a dead person.
Also, there is NO WAY a Democrat can win on policy alone and they know it which is why they bail from debate or they do they publicly get railed like Fettermen and Hochul. And forget Hobbs, she was a no show.
So spare me with the “glitch” bullshit
Think about it like this :
By claiming elections are fixed and talking badly about early or mail in voting, the republicans DISCOURAGE their voters. That's a really dumb idea ,if you want to win an election.
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Democrats are the only party that puts forth policy.
Translated: democrats are the only party that give handouts.
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Translated: democrats are the only party that give handouts.
Can't wait till the freedom caucus releases their healthcare plan in January.
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Thank you for asking, we are all healthy and doing fine, both here and in Germany. We missed traveling to Germany late last summer to attend a celebration on behalf of my great-grandson's starting regular school... 1st grade. It is a big event there. Germans love any reason to party.
How is retirement to condo living suiting you and your wife?
As for what some folks believe about government today, it reminds me of the 60's (1965 to be exact) when it became immensely unpopular to trust the establishment even when the establishment was largely responsible for making the U.S. economy in the mid 60's the strongest this country has ever known.
Check the Pew Research on Public Trust in Government link out: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/06/06/public-trust-in-government-1958-2022/ It is very interesting.
Wow a great grandson! Pretty cool, you have adult children living in Germany.
Glad to hear you're happy and healthy .
My wife and I just passed our 10th anniversary , with no problems or end in sight.
Life is relaxed and not much drama. LOL, most here would find my current life boring.
FYI, the Rachel Maddow podcast " Ultra" is a wonderful , entertaining and informative show on the
1940's Nazi backed failed plot to install a Nazi-like GOV in the USA .
Senators and over 20 in congress were indicted but the judge died of the heart attack and they declared a mistrial.
Since this was near the start of the D-day invasion , they opted to terminate the case .
The last episode drops Mon, so I'll hear if anything happened or not.
It's a great podcast and I think you'd enjoy it.
It's amazing how similar things this was to the Jan 6 attack on the Capitol and the crazy claims of election fixing today .
You're right about the 1960's and promoting fear of the " establishment" also being like MAGA today.
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Can't wait till the freedom caucus releases their healthcare plan in January.
I look forward to having my taxes raised, again.
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Think about it like this :
By claiming elections are fixed and talking badly about early or mail in voting, the republicans DISCOURAGE their voters. That's a really dumb idea ,if you want to win an election.
Prove it otherwise
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Think about it like this :
By claiming elections are fixed and talking badly about early or mail in voting, the republicans DISCOURAGE their voters. That's a really dumb idea ,if you want to win an election.
Here Howard…explain this then explain to me why these are still getting counted.
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Prove it otherwise
The obvious proof is the dem candidate got more votes and won.
Pretty simple.
IF the GOP wants to win 49 states again ( '84) , they need to start acting like Reagan... again .
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I look forward to having my taxes raised, again.
Unless you are a millionaire, the only President to have cut your federal income taxes in recent memory is B.H. Obama.
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Here Howard…explain this then explain to me why these are still getting counted.
Call the Maricopa Az , Elections Dept and ask 'em .
I looked up their number for you * (602)-506-1511. ( That's the actual public number listed on their web site)
Tell them you're doing important election fraud research for the Get Big Politics forum. ;)
Hope that helps. Keep us posted .
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Call the Maricopa Az , Elections Dept and ask 'em .
I looked up their number for you * (602)-506-1511. ( That's the actual public number listed on their web site)
Tell them you're doing important election fraud research for the Get Big Politics forum. ;)
Hope that helps. Keep us posted .
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hahhahahahahahahahahahah ahahaha
Thanks, I figured the getbig bunch would appreciate that post :)
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Thanks, I figured the getbig bunch would appreciate that post :)
Can you imagine how that conversation would go and how the person on the other end of the phone would react to encountering such bigly retardation?
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Can you imagine how that conversation would go and how the person on the other end of the phone would react to encountering such bigly retardation?
LOL, true 'dat . ::)
I remember a back/forth I got into on this forum about 7 years ago about the validity of pizza-gate .
He posted pics and all kinds of dubious kiddy sex slave nonsense run by Hillary and others dems inside Comet Pizza .
I tried to be polite or (at least) funny while I attempted to debunk his conspiracy claims .
He was convinced he was right and knew the real truth, while I was a brainwashed libtard .
Then about 5 years ago, some wacko ran in there with a gun and did his investigation .
He found nothing and got 4 years after a high profile arrest.
From Q-anon to voter fraud with no evidence, we live in a world where a lot of people
buy into complete fiction without needing any credible verification.
IN Dec 2020, my wife got fwd a video from a casual friend who was a MAGA election denier.
It was labeled 'proof , that the election was stolen' and that Trump was going to legally declare martial law.
The "proof" was a video of some guy in his car, saying the election was stolen and Trump would impose martial law.
He added some nonsense about doing something to your cell phone , to get Trump's instruction .
Maybe repeating news they agree with , makes 'em feel good? I dunno.
But these conspiracy promoters think showing a video of someone else SAYING the same thing = proof or evidence.
It reminds me of what my mom told me, when we tried to BS her.
" Just because one of you lies and the other swears to it, doesn't make it true " ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL hahaha
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LOL, true 'dat . ::)
I remember a back/forth I got into on this forum about 7 years ago about the validity of pizza-gate .
He posted pics and all kinds of dubious kiddy sex slave nonsense run by Hillary and others dems inside Comet Pizza .
I tried to be polite or (at least) funny while I attempted to debunk his conspiracy claims .
He was convinced he was right and knew the real truth, while I was a brainwashed libtard .
Then about 5 years ago, some wacko ran in there with a gun and did his investigation .
He found nothing and got 4 years after a high profile arrest.
From Q-anon to voter fraud with no evidence, we live in a world where a lot of people
buy into complete fiction without needing any credible verification.
IN Dec 2020, my wife got fwd a video from a casual friend who was a MAGA election denier.
It was labeled 'proof , that the election was stolen' and that Trump was going to legally declare martial law.
The "proof" was a video of some guy in his car, saying the election was stolen and Trump would impose martial law.
He added some nonsense about doing something to your cell phone , to get Trump's instruction .
Maybe repeating news they agree with , makes 'em feel good? I dunno.
But these conspiracy promoters think showing a video of someone else SAYING the same thing = proof or evidence.
It reminds me of what my mom told me, when we tried to BS her.
" Just because one of you lies and the other swears to it, doesn't make it true " ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL hahaha
and there you go...
now add in the chinese thermostats changing votes and Qoach's claims that covid was an assassination attempt on Trumpy, or links to tik tok videos that offer...NOTHING, etc.. etc.. and you can see why no one takes anything he says seriously.
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Call the Maricopa Az , Elections Dept and ask 'em .
I looked up their number for you * (602)-506-1511. ( That's the actual public number listed on their web site)
Tell them you're doing important election fraud research for the Get Big Politics forum. ;)
Hope that helps. Keep us posted .
Why, you, Prime and Lurker seem to have all the excu…er, I mean answers.
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Why, you, Prime and Lurker seem to have all the excu…er, I mean answers.
Because we rely on facts, that's why. If you did the same, you wouldn't be getting your ass handed to you on here everyday.
But instead you pull your ideas out of that retard chamber you have on your shoulders that exists as a fleshlight depository for every CT that comes down the pipeline.
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Why, you, Prime and Lurker seem to have all the excu…er, I mean answers.
Lighten up Coach :D
Even you have to admit, my "reply" with their phone # was pretty funny.
The election is over, this is getbig, so let's have a little fun.
I'm watching the USC v UCLA game , going on in your area , right now.
If I can find my last Viagra tab, I'll poke my wife as she sleeps , after the game . :D
Happy Turkey day you animal . ;)
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Because we rely on facts,
Just because your tv says it, doesn't make it fact. ::)
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Just because your tv says it, doesn't make it fact. ::)
Just because you believe otherwise doesn't make it wrong.
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Just because your tv says it, doesn't make it fact. ::)
Fair point.
But why exactly would your side totally accept an " alternative source" with even LESS credible verification ?
Seriously now, many on the MAGA side accepted things like Pizzagate or Q-anon with few questions or fact checking.
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Fair point.
But why exactly would your side totally accept an " alternative source" with even LESS credible verification ?
Seriously now, many on the MAGA side accepted things like Pizzagate or Q-anon with few questions or fact checking.
I don't care about maga side. I care about the truth and the truth is not on your tv. The MSM is the enemy of the people. Why do you accept what they say at face value without questioning it? Because NBC said so?
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I don't care about maga side. I care about the truth and the truth is not on your tv. The MSM is the enemy of the people. Why do you accept what they say at face value without questioning it? Because NBC said so?
No, I don't always accept what the MSM or GOV officials say or print.
BUT, I find most of the "alternative info" to be less credible and lacking verification .
It all comes down to transparency and verification on what I believe the most likely facts .
I don't know if buy into Q-anon , but I'll use it as a good , but extreme example.
The MSM may not always be totally correct, BUT at least you know the sources and can fact check the story.
With Q-anon, you don't even know who or what is providing the info.
Plus, it comes out in some odd code on an obscure website, like a secret treasure map .
A more mundane example is Dr Fauci and the CDC with Covid info.
Yes, they made a few mistakes , especially early on when the virus was new .
The initial covid vaccines were't perfect, but, the vax had a pretty effective record in dealing with Covid.
Compare that to the alternative "cures" like Ivermictin or hydroxy-cholroquin ( sp?) .
The same people who examined every detail with the Covid Vax, didn't use much scrutiny with the " alternative stuff ".
That's my main concern . If the vaccine naysayers used half the skeptical caution with their alternative cures,
they'd find a lot less verification and transparency. BUT, they didn't. They dug for every possible issue with the CDC research or the Vax .
That's good and to be honest is how scientific research findings get verified.
BUT, they just took the alternative side at face value and totally bought into it without question.
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The Arizona Attorney General’s Elections Integrity Unit sent a letter to Maricopa County demanding answers on problems that took place with the election on Nov. 8.
In a letter to Civil Division Chief Thomas Liddy of the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office, Assistant Attorney General Jennifer Wright said the AG’s office had “received hundreds of complaints since Election Day,” and the complaints “go beyond pure speculation [and] include first-hand witness accounts that raise concerns regarding Maricopa County’s lawful compliance with Arizona election law.”
According to Maricopa County election officials, at least 60 of 223 voting locations experienced technical problems related to ballot-on-demand (BOD) printers having “non-uniform” printer configuration settings.
These non-uniform settings resulted in some ballots “unable to be read by on-site ballot tabulators.”
County officials estimate the technical problems may have impacted more than 17,000 ballots on Election Day.
“Based on sworn complaints submitted by election workers employed by Maricopa County, the BOD printers were tested on Monday, Nov. 7, without any apparent problems,” Wright said in the letter (pdf).
“Many of those election workers report that despite the successful testing the night before, the tabulators began experiencing problems reading ballots printed by the BOD printers within the first thirty minutes of voting on Tuesday, November 8, 2022.”
The letter said that based on a “plethora of reports from election workers, poll watchers, and voters, including the county’s admission of widespread printer problems,” the Elections Integrity Unit requested:
The voting locations that had problems with either BOD printers or tabulation
The specific problems at each voting location
Any other issues related to BOD printers and/or tabulators that may have contributed to the problems at voting locations
A comprehensive log of all changes to the BOD printer configuration settings (to include the identity of individuals making changes)
Maricopa County’s standards for the BOD printer configuration settings
The precise time the non-uniform printer configuration settings were found to be the root cause of the problem
The method used to update or reconfigure the printer configuration settings at each voting location
The Elections Integrity Unit will also look into election day “check-out” procedures in which affected voters received provisional ballots or instructions to go to another polling location.
Wright said the unit also requests a detailed report on poll worker training regarding check-out procedures and the “legal basis” for these procedures.
The unit also wants to know “why Maricopa continued to publicly encourage voters to leave a voting location after having been notified … that poll workers appeared to be improperly trained on ‘check-out’ procedures.”
“Due to the widespread problems in non-uniform printer configuration settings, many voters were unable to tabulate their ballots on Election Day using on-site tabulators,” Wright said in the letter.
“Instead, voters were instructed to deposit their ballot in ‘Door 3.'”
Maricopa officials have said that the ballots would be taken at the end of the day to the Maricopa County Tabulation and Election Center to be counted.
Wright said in the letter the county “appears to have failed to adhere to the statutory guidelines in segregating, counting, tabulating, tallying, and transporting Door 3 ballots.
“In fact, Maricopa County has admitted that, in some voting locations, Door 3 non-tabulated ballots were commingled with tabulated ballots at the voting location.”
In sworn testimony, one poll watcher indicated that more than 1,700 Door 3 non-tabulated ballots from one voting location were “placed in black duffle bags” meant for tabulated votes.
“Arizonans deserve a full report and accounting of the myriad problems that occurred in relation to Maricopa County’s administration of the 2022 general election,” Wright said.
Wright said the issues are related to “Maricopa County’s ability to lawfully certify election results and requested a response from the county by ‘November 28.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/arizonas-election-integrity-unit-demands-answers-from-maricopa-county-over-election-day-problems_4874697.html?utm_source=andshare
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Coach,
1. The "Epoch Times" is a hyper right wing partisan source with a history of right wing bias.
It was formed in 2000 by former Chinese citizens with an irrational fear that communists would take over America.
2. There was a brief issue with ink used with ballot printers in some AZ polling places.
After a brief delay , the polling places were up and running again without issue.
It was quickly fixed and did NOT affect an abnormal # of republican ballots .
The ballots were all counted and double checked in the districts that had the ink problems .
To ensure the accuracy of the count , the AZ polling locations took extra steps of accountability counting the ballots.
This led to a longer counting time , but increased reliability for voters.
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I don't care about maga side. I care about the truth and the truth is not on your tv. The MSM is the enemy of the people. Why do you accept what they say at face value without questioning it? Because NBC said so?
Faux Noise has garnered the highest ratings of cable tv at times. So they are the enemy of the people? Interesting. So how do you determine what you believe? What research do you do or hypothesis elimination do you go about?
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Coach,
1. The "Epoch Times" is a hyper right wing partisan source with a history of right wing bias.
It was formed in 2000 by former Chinese citizens with an irrational fear that communists would take over America.
2. There was a brief issue with ink used with ballot printers in some AZ polling places.
After a brief delay , the polling places were up and running again without issue.
It was quickly fixed and did NOT affect an abnormal # of republican ballots .
The ballots were all counted and double checked in the districts that had the ink problems .
To ensure the accuracy of the count , the AZ polling locations took extra steps of accountability counting the ballots.
This led to a longer counting time , but increased reliability for voters.
#3 the supposed "issues" would have affects both parties, not just the GOP. ::)
Little Miss Nancy Drew obviously didn't take this into consideration.
Hang on..... he will come up with something else next.
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#3 the supposed "issues" would have affects both parties, not just the GOP. ::)
Little Miss Nancy Drew obviously didn't take this into consideration.
Hang on..... he will come up with something else next.
I actually enjoy debating the various sides to real issues in politics.
But these election fraud pissing contests , become pointless.
To me, it's like :
"OMG, monsters are under the bed."
* I check and no monsters are there.*
"That's because the monsters ran into the closet..." *and on it goes . ::)
Even a nitwit like me , knew Pizza-Gate was total nonsense... like this nonexistent " voter fraud ".
Perhaps some major voter fraud will be proven on Feb 30th, 2023 . Until then, good luck . :D
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Coach,
1. The "Epoch Times" is a hyper right wing partisan source with a history of right wing bias.
It was formed in 2000 by former Chinese citizens with an irrational fear that communists would take over America.
2. There was a brief issue with ink used with ballot printers in some AZ polling places.
After a brief delay , the polling places were up and running again without issue.
It was quickly fixed and did NOT affect an abnormal # of republican ballots .
The ballots were all counted and double checked in the districts that had the ink problems .
To ensure the accuracy of the count , the AZ polling locations took extra steps of accountability counting the ballots.
This led to a longer counting time , but increased reliability for voters.
Hey Howard this is typical leftist rhetoric. Whenever something is pointed out that’s a fact somebody always wants to come back and try to discredit the source where it came from. The problem is they can’t discredit they can’t discredit the story they can’t discredit the source. On the other hand, we can discredit every source that comes from the left easily, and we have. At least three times just this week in the last few days I have with Lurker because that fucktard can’t get anything right. And this is no different than Prime is no different than you because you all listen to the same bullshit . You’re not debating you can’t debate, neither can lurker end it and neither can prime.
Besides, all you read is where the source came from but you fail to read any of its Contant because usually the Contant that I post has links that take you right to the proof of the article to back it up.
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Hey Howard this is typical leftist rhetoric. Whenever something is pointed out that’s a fact somebody always wants to come back and try to discredit the source where it came from. The problem is they can’t discredit they can’t discredit the story they can’t discredit the source. On the other hand, we can discredit every source that comes from the left easily, and we have. At least three times just this week in the last few days I have with Lurker because that fucktard can’t get anything right. And this is no different than Prime is no different than you because you all listen to the same bullshit . You’re not debating you can’t debate, neither can lurker end it and neither can prime.
Besides, all you read is where the source came from but you fail to read any of its Contant because usually the Contant that I post has links that take you right to the proof of the article to back it up.
There are basic facts and truth .
In the end it's pretty simple.
Unless we both accept the same rules to the game , it's pointless to play.
No hard feelings .
Happy Turkey Day to you and your family.
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There are basic facts and truth .
In the end it's pretty simple.
Unless we both accept the same rules to the game , it's pointless to play.
No hard feelings .
Happy Turkey Day to you and your family.
I pointed out facts and truth facts and truth that cannot be refuted it’s the intellectual dishonesty that you have that you refuse to accept it or even come up with any viable source to back it up. I ask you questions about the elections yet you can’t come up with anything except to give me a fucking phone number to call and complain to them
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Hey Howard this is typical leftist rhetoric. Whenever something is pointed out that’s a fact somebody always wants to come back and try to discredit the source where it came from. The problem is they can’t discredit they can’t discredit the story they can’t discredit the source. On the other hand, we can discredit every source that comes from the left easily, and we have. At least three times just this week in the last few days I have with Lurker because that fucktard can’t get anything right. And this is no different than Prime is no different than you because you all listen to the same bullshit . You’re not debating you can’t debate, neither can lurker end it and neither can prime.
Besides, all you read is where the source came from but you fail to read any of its Contant because usually the Contant that I post has links that take you right to the proof of the article to back it up.
Please provide the three examples. I'll wait. You can't, but I will wait.
You are just a flat out liar and delusional retard who has no grasp on reality. Fragile X was Mother Nature's blessing to you.
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The initial covid vaccines were't perfect, but, the vax had a pretty effective record in dealing with Covid.
Did it? What do you have to compare that to? Even now Drs are starting to speak out and studies are just now starting to be done on the long term effects of the governments poison.
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whatever did happen to Podesta the Molesta?
(https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/63124b92332dc4227ddbaac8/John-Podesta--The-Presidents--Gatekeepers--Interview/0x0.jpg?format=jpg&crop=3000,1688,x0,y155,safe&width=960)
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I pointed out facts and truth facts and truth that cannot be refuted it’s the intellectual dishonesty that you have that you refuse to accept it or even come up with any viable source to back it up. I ask you questions about the elections yet you can’t come up with anything except to give me a fucking phone number to call and complain to them
Coach,
When it comes to the claims on " voter fraud", there isn't much to debate.
The claims are total fabrications dreamed up by some right wing zealot and put on a website.
For example, the Trump " dream team" led by Rudy and Sydney the Kraken, lost 60+ cases with 0 wins for voter fraud.
What they said OUTside the courthouse to their supporters was totally different from what they said in front of the judge.
FYI, many of the election fraud judges were appointed by Trump .
AGAIN, there is nothing to argue because there is no credible evidence to back the claims .
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Coach,
When it comes to the claims on " voter fraud", there isn't much to debate.
The claims are total fabrications dreamed up by some right wing zealot and put on a website.
For example, the Trump " dream team" led by Rudy and Sydney the Kraken, lost 60+ cases with 0 wins for voter fraud.
What they said OUTside the courthouse to their supporters was totally different from what they said in front of the judge.
FYI, many of the election fraud judges were appointed by Trump .
AGAIN, there is nothing to argue because there is no credible evidence to back the claims .
This is your dishonesty at work for you again or you were kept in the dark so much by your MSM that you just flat out didn’t know. I’ll stick with your intellectual dishonesty because in almost every court case the not only didn’t the judges allow evidence to be presented, they weren’t allowed on the dockets. So, since evidence wasn’t allowed to be presented, why didn’t they do their jobs….until now.
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Because the evidence was complete bullshit.
Or in the case of MyPillow idiot's claim... nonexistent. Which is why he has never revealed a single thing as of today.
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Lighten up Coach :D
Even you have to admit, my "reply" with their phone # was pretty funny.
The election is over, this is getbig, so let's have a little fun.
I'm watching the USC v UCLA game , going on in your area , right now.
If I can find my last Viagra tab, I'll poke my wife as she sleeps , after the game . :D
Happy Turkey day you animal . ;)
As she sleep? Wouldn't you poking her wake her up? ;)
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Just because your tv says it, doesn't make it fact. ::)
Not anymore than 'just because' the conservative media broadcasts or publishes it does. The only positive way to know fact from fiction is by seeing the event with your own eyes or hearing it with your own ears. Even then, it is not unheard of for people to misinterpret what they personally witness, read or hear about.
It is human nature to seek validation of our foregone conclusions. Most people don’t want to be wrong about something.
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Fair point.
But why exactly would your side totally accept an " alternative source" with even LESS credible verification ?
Seriously now, many on the MAGA side accepted things like Pizzagate or Q-anon with few questions or fact checking.
Whether it is my side, your side, or their side. Never the twain shall meet. This is a shame. Consensus has great value.
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This is your dishonesty at work for you again or you were kept in the dark so much by your MSM that you just flat out didn’t know. I’ll stick with your intellectual dishonesty because in almost every court case the not only didn’t the judges allow evidence to be presented, they weren’t allowed on the dockets. So, since evidence wasn’t allowed to be presented, why didn’t they do their jobs….until now.
Frivolous lawsuits are often rejected, as they should be. Have you considered that in the halls of justice the evidence can be.
insubstantial and would not support the plaintiffs’ claims even if true?
The plaintiffs’ claims in their lawsuits were repetitive. Why waste additional time rehashing this one issue after it had been ruled on by not just one judge but many?
Also consider that Trump and his attorneys modus operandi is to tie legal issues up in court with numerous appeals and very often no new evidence. The supreme court just ruled that Trumps tax returns must be made available to the special committee. It would be of no surprise if his attorneys found a way inspire the U.S. supreme court to revisit this decision which should be final as supreme court decision usually are.
At this point, one could opine that Trump and the republican party ‘stacking the deck’ hasn’t worked out as planned.
A little history on this matter:
• The Supreme Court rejected a bid by former President Donald Trump to prevent Congress from obtaining his income tax returns from the IRS.
• The ruling comes more than three months after a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington ruled that the Ways and Means Committee had the right to obtain Trump’s tax returns.
• Trump then asked the Supreme Court on Oct. 31 to block the committee from obtaining his tax returns.
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Frivolous lawsuits are often rejected, as they should be. Have you considered that in the halls of justice the evidence can be.
insubstantial and would not support the plaintiffs’ claims even if true?
The plaintiffs’ claims in their lawsuits were repetitive. Why waste additional time rehashing this one issue after it had been ruled on by not just one judge but many?
Also consider that Trump and his attorneys modus operandi is to tie legal issues up in court with numerous appeals and very often no new evidence. The supreme court just ruled that Trumps tax returns must be made available to the special committee. It would be of no surprise if his attorneys found a way inspire the U.S. supreme court to revisit this decision which should be final as supreme court decision usually are.
At this point, one could opine that Trump and the republican party ‘stacking the deck’ hasn’t worked out as planned.
A little history on this matter:
• The Supreme Court rejected a bid by former President Donald Trump to prevent Congress from obtaining his income tax returns from the IRS.
• The ruling comes more than three months after a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington ruled that the Ways and Means Committee had the right to obtain Trump’s tax returns.
• Trump then asked the Supreme Court on Oct. 31 to block the committee from obtaining his tax returns.
As it was just stated : "I think it was Yogi Berra , unless it was Casey Stengel, who said, 'Deja vu all over again. I ruled on all these issues. It seems to me the facts are the same. The law is the same. Parties are the same," Engoron told Alina Habba, Trump's lawyer. "You can't keep making the same argument after you've already lost."
Look at the "evidence" that he has tried to use with the Mara-Lardo investigation :
1 - they were no classified docs
2 - they were classified but he declassified them in a broad gesture
3 - there is no evidence of them being declassified, but he really did do it
4 - he declassified them with his mind
5 - the fbi planted evidence
6 - they were his own personal documents
7 - it is the movers fault
8 - he was just bringing his work home
9 - BUT OTHER PRESIDENTS DID IT TOO
10 - he wanted them for his Presidential library
11 - he wanted them to "help himself"
12 - etc
Rule of thumb : when suspects keep changing their stories, detectives start thinking they may be guilty. Obviously no one has informed Trumpy of this.
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As she sleep? Wouldn't you poking her wake her up? ;)
My 2" semi-limp wiener won't disturb her enough to wake her.
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IT'S OVER!!!! Kari lost the election and Karen lost his mind by crying for her to be installed.
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The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors on Monday voted unanimously to certify the results of the 2022 election, meaning it’s all over but the shouting.
And, well, the protesting, the suing and the general all-around cry-babying that the election was stolen right from under Kari Lake and company.
And the grifting.
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Well? Anything else to add at this point? All this whining about election fraud and turns out it is Republicans doing it. ::)
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Arizona county certifies election after judge’s order.
A rural Arizona county certified its midterm election results on Thursday, following the orders of a judge who ruled that Republican supervisors broke the law when they refused to sign off on the vote count by this week’s deadline.
Two Republicans on Cochise County’s three-member board of supervisors balked for weeks about certifying the election, even as the deadline passed on Monday. They did not cite any problems with the election results. Rather, they say they weren’t satisfied that the machines used to tabulate ballots were properly certified for use in elections, though state and federal election officials have said they were.
Secretary of State Katie Hobbs filed suit Monday, as did a local voter and a group of retirees, asking a judge to force the supervisors to certify the election, a process formally known as a canvass. Hobbs said she is required to hold the statewide certification on Dec. 5 and by law can delay it only until Dec. 8.
At the end of a hearing Thursday, Judge Casey McGinley ordered the supervisors to convene within 90 minutes and to approve the election canvass by the end of the day.
“I am not ashamed of anything I did,” said Supervisor Peggy Judd, one of the two Republicans who twice blocked certification. “And today I feel I must, because of a court ruling and because of my own health and situations that are going on in our life, I feel like I must follow what the judge did today.”
The board’s other Republican, Tom Crosby, skipped the meeting.
Two hours earlier, Supervisor Ann English, the board’s lone Democrat, urged the judge to order the board to immediately certify the election and not wait another day. She said Crosby is trying to stage a “smackdown between the secretary of state and the election deniers” at a meeting scheduled for Friday.
“I think it’s a circus that doesn’t need to have to happen,” English said. “So I’ve had enough. I think the public’s had enough. So I’m asking for a swift resolution of this if that’s possible.”
The vote allows the statewide certification to go forward as scheduled on Monday.
Hobbs, a Democrat who was elected governor in November’s election, had warned that she may have to certify statewide results without numbers from Cochise County if they aren’t received in time, an outcome that could have tipped the balance of several close races. The county’s 47,000 votes went overwhelmingly to Republicans.
The board members represented themselves in court after struggling to find someone willing to take the cases. The elected county attorney, who normally represents the board in legal disputes, refused to handle the cases, saying the supervisors acted illegally. The board voted hours before the hearing to hire a Phoenix-area attorney, but he was not able to get up to speed before the hearing and did not inform the court he was representing the supervisors.
Days before the Nov. 8 election, the Republican supervisors abandoned plans to hand count all ballots, which the court said would be illegal, but demanded last week that the secretary of state prove vote-counting machines were legally certified before they would approve the election results. On Monday, they said they wanted to hear again about those concerns before taking a vote on certification. A meeting is scheduled for that purpose on Friday.
There are two companies that are accredited by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission to conduct testing and certification of voting equipment, such as the electronic tabulators used in Arizona to read and count ballots.
Conspiracy theories surrounding this process surfaced in early 2021, focused on what appeared to be an outdated accreditation certificate for one of the companies that was posted online. Federal officials investigated and reported that an administrative error had resulted in the agency failing to reissue an updated certificate as the company remained in good standing and underwent audits in 2018 and in early 2021.
Officials also noted federal law dictates the only way a testing company can lose certification is for the commission to revoke it, which did not occur.
Meanwhile, a federal judge in Phoenix sanctioned lawyers who represented Kari Lake and Mark Finchem, the defeated Republican candidates for governor and secretary of state, respectively, in a lawsuit seeking to require hand counting of all ballots.
Judge John Tuchi, a Barack Obama appointee, agreed with lawyers for Maricopa County, who argued the lawsuit was based on frivolous information, and ordered the lawyers to pay the county’s legal fees.
The lawyers “made false, misleading, and unsupported factual assertions” in their lawsuit, Tuchi wrote. He said the court will not condone lawyers “furthering false narratives that baselessly undermine public trust” in the democratic process.
The lawyers for Lake and Finchem, including well-known Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz, did not respond to a request for comment from The Associated Press. They told the court that their claims were “legally sound and supported by strong evidence.”
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So....do what we tell you or you're going to jail!! Sounds fair and totally legit.
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So....do what we tell you or you're going to jail!! Sounds fair and totally legit.
No. Do your job. And if we have to tell you how to do it and when to do it, there will be consequences. Yep, that sounds fair and legit. Good times!!
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No. Do your job. And if we have to tell you how to do it and when to do it, there will be consequences. Yep, that sounds fair and legit. Good times!!
Sounds like China. Nice to see you support communism. :)
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Sounds like China. Nice to see you support communism. :)
Behold, we have a Coach clone in our midst. :) Almost anyway, you did not actually call Lurker a Communist, instead you only insinuated it.
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Behold, we have a Coach clone in our midst. :) Almost anyway, you did not actually call Lurker a Communist, instead you only insinuated it.
If you promote forcing people to do something against their will or face prison time, you are a communist too.
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If you promote forcing people to do something against their will or face prison time, you are a communist too.
It's called the rule of law with due process.
If you break the law and are found guilty in court you pay the price.
Since they refuse to obey the election laws, they risk breaking the law and could be found guilty.
Pretty simple and fair to me.
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Sounds like China. Nice to see you support communism. :)
You obviously do not know what communism is if you think fulfilling the duties of the office you hold to be strange. Actually the exact opposite is more in line with communism where the will of the people is ignored like it was in this case.
You can not distinguish the difference. Why am I not surprised?
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It's called the rule of law with due process.
If you break the law and are found guilty in court you pay the price.
Since they refuse to obey the election laws, they risk breaking the law and could be found guilty.
Pretty simple and fair to me.
Because obviously you are not whining and making excuses with a biases slant.
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As long as you guys are cool with it, remember when the shoe is on the other foot. You hypocrites seem to forget these types of events when they start applying to your side. :)
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As long as you guys are cool with it, remember when the shoe is on the other foot. You hypocrites seem to forget these types of events when they start applying to your side. :)
Works that way for you too buttercup.
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As long as you guys are cool with it, remember when the shoe is on the other foot. You hypocrites seem to forget these types of events when they start applying to your side. :)
The shoe doesn't fit. :D