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Title: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: joswift on November 24, 2022, 02:45:52 PM
Amazingly hardly any flu cases 2020/21, in fact they lumped them in with pneumonia so there isnt a record of them at all.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrominfluenzain2020

Shame covid cant come back and eliminate all the flu cases.

Or is it that they dont want to admit that most covid cases were in fact flu cases
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 24, 2022, 05:20:01 PM
I think it was probably the masking and general infection control practices
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Chubz on November 24, 2022, 05:20:40 PM
It is the retards that took the jab who are getting sick, the vaccine is the disease. They are not even being quite about it anymore, it is not that hard to find all the proof needed about all the garbage in these shots, people are just being intellectually lazy and of course the ones that took it absolutely do not want to know, cannot say I blame them. This will not end well.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: ROBOAK on November 24, 2022, 05:23:39 PM
this is what happens when you skip out on your fifth booster
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 24, 2022, 06:56:11 PM
I think it was probably the masking and general infection control practices

Or they just started calling the Flu, Covid:


MSM starting to admit that it’s the same thing. The only difference is the positive test result.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-flu-rsv-symptoms-comparison-chart-rcna58523

Covid, flu and RSV can be difficult to distinguish, since they share many common symptoms. But it's useful to know which virus you have, since that determines the treatments you should receive and how long you should
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: honest on November 24, 2022, 06:57:52 PM
Personally I think the MRNA vaccine ruined peoples immune systems and their ability to fight the common flu, and I'm vaccinated just not MRNA, but I have 97 people who work for me 82 vaccinated 15 unvaccinated, basically my own study group, after two years of covid I can honestly say those unvaccinated were no sicker from covid than those who vaxed. But my biggest observation is that all the vaxed group are being effected far worse by the flu post covid as opposed to the unvaxed. I too can say I'm no worse effected from the flu, but I had AZ or a viral vector vaccine, friends and work colleagues who have MRNA are struggling with their natural Immunity post vaccination. Just a honest observation of a group, uninfluenced by the politics of to or to not . and just for your information.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: GigantorX on November 24, 2022, 07:31:23 PM
I think it was probably the masking and general infection control practices

What? The dozen or so RCTs that were performed on this very thing all said "No significant difference" between...

Sure masks + extra hand hygiene

And

Control group (acting as rational human beings do)

You can also lump that in with all of the evidence from just pandemic...all tell us the same thing.

I follow the "Viral Interference" theory. Highly contagious viral resp pathogen comes around and attacks a immune naive population...it out competes all other viruses for hosts. Add in some "everything is COVID!!!!" diagnosis and you hacve no flu
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Gym Rat on November 24, 2022, 11:47:51 PM
Or they just started calling the Flu, Covid:

Funny, with all the recent apologizing, amnesty requests and admissions.
Even those in charge admit the farce...
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: G_Thang on November 25, 2022, 12:30:01 AM
Could be an omicron subvariant mimicking b.c no one knows which of the 8 flu viruses Covid assimilated since there are no cures or vaccines (What happens to you if you assimilate something which has no cure or vaccine and the assimilated materials become your dominant genome?) for them.  I would suggest running ASAP to your local vaccinator clinic to get an up-to-date flu shot plus a COVID-19 Bivalent Vaccine Booster which are all authorized by the FDA and safe and effective according to all of Pzifer's blackout research reports.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HnSnQor8zDY/maxresdefault.jpg)

Did I do good OAK?
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Dalnet on November 25, 2022, 01:59:22 AM
Personally I think the MRNA vaccine ruined peoples immune systems and their ability to fight the common flu, and I'm vaccinated just not MRNA, but I have 97 people who work for me 82 vaccinated 15 unvaccinated, basically my own study group, after two years of covid I can honestly say those unvaccinated were no sicker from covid than those who vaxed. But my biggest observation is that all the vaxed group are being effected far worse by the flu post covid as opposed to the unvaxed. I too can say I'm no worse effected from the flu, but I had AZ or a viral vector vaccine, friends and work colleagues who have MRNA are struggling with their natural Immunity post vaccination. Just a honest observation of a group, uninfluenced by the politics of to or to not . and just for your information.

Thx for the info. I wasn't even aware that some vaccines were MRNA based and others not. Was this a purposeful choice on your part or just the location where you resided happened to only use that particular vaccine?

I've been ignorant in terms of this purely because I chose to not get vaccinated so didn't see any value in researching the vaccines knowing it wouldn't personally affect me. On the other hand - my parents and brother did get vaxxed. My brother works in a hospital so it wasn't really much of a choice for him and parents are elderly and get their news from MSM.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 25, 2022, 04:17:47 AM
What? The dozen or so RCTs that were performed on this very thing all said "No significant difference" between...

Sure masks + extra hand hygiene

And

Control group (acting as rational human beings do)

You can also lump that in with all of the evidence from just pandemic...all tell us the same thing.

I follow the "Viral Interference" theory. Highly contagious viral resp pathogen comes around and attacks a immune naive population...it out competes all other viruses for hosts. Add in some "everything is COVID!!!!" diagnosis and you hacve no flu

maybe not for covid, but influenza is considerably less contagious.  Some pathogens--like covid, measles, varicella--seem to spread via aerosols.  Others, like influenza or RSV, seem to spread via droplets and surface transmission.  If you can share a study showing no difference in transmission between masks/hand hygiene vs no infection control for influenza, I'd appreciate the information.

The issue I have w your explanation is that some documented patients have been coinfected w covid and influenza.  I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: GigantorX on November 25, 2022, 04:51:20 AM
I'll dig them up. Or at least the abstract summaries.

Also, confections happen. Often. It's all about (in my opinion) what is tested for and recorded. Public health had a hammer and the nails were COVID.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Gym Rat on November 25, 2022, 06:55:15 AM
Fraudci "answering" questions the other day, he looks sickly (AIDS).
1/2 his hair missing, grey-looking hue to his skin, etc.

He couldnt answer a single-question about the biggest event in his history, even from a year ago. ("I dont remember").
What a lying Fraud-douche...
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: nzgs on November 25, 2022, 07:06:04 AM
Covid was the flu. They even hid it in the CDC data, in 2021 50% of "covid" mortalities had flu as a "co-morbidity". Those are just the ones they admitted to. In reality covid was the common cold and flu which is why excess deaths weren't particularly high. The wave of excess deaths this year is caused by the MRNa drugs.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: MAXX on November 25, 2022, 07:11:21 AM
yeah it's all horseshit... the whole covid debacle

internet sensationalism tricked the entire world
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 25, 2022, 09:17:26 AM
The strangest thing about the covid fiasco was the footage/stories of chinks dying in the streets in the early days.

It was a strong flu FFS.


Don’t forget the stories from Italy about bodies piling up. PIP The Italian Lifter. Not only does he need an English dictionary, he needs a body bag!
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: GymnJuice on November 25, 2022, 10:14:57 AM

Don’t forget the stories from Italy about bodies piling up. PIP The Italian Lifter. Not only does he need an English dictionary, he needs a body bag!

Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: joswift on November 25, 2022, 10:55:58 AM

Don’t forget the stories from Italy about bodies piling up. PIP The Italian Lifter. Not only does he need an English dictionary, he needs a body bag!

Interesting chart regarding Italys death rates
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ITA/italy/death-rate
Italy - Historical Death Rate Data
Year     Death Rate   Growth Rate
2022     10.841            0.860%
2021     10.749            0.850%
2020     10.658            0.870%
2019     10.566            0.880%
2018     10.474            0.680%
2017     10.403            0.680%

then that add this
NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

mmm, its like they want to pretend covid never happened..
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 25, 2022, 11:10:57 AM
Covid was the flu. They even hid it in the CDC data, in 2021 50% of "covid" mortalities had flu as a "co-morbidity". Those are just the ones they admitted to. In reality covid was the common cold and flu which is why excess deaths weren't particularly high. The wave of excess deaths this year is caused by the MRNa drugs.

A lot of the excess deaths were caused by nursing home staff shortages. In normal times the Mortality rates there are ~33%.

Same drill with the “Bodies piling up.” It was because the people who would normally take them away were calling out sick.

Literally everything about this scam has been a lie.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: joswift on November 25, 2022, 11:18:47 AM
A lot of the excess deaths were caused by nursing home staff shortages. In normal times the Mortality rates there are ~33%.

Same drill with the “Bodies piling up.” It was because the people who would normally take them away were calling out sick.

Literally everything about this scam has been a lie.

30k excess death in March 2020, that was a result of the decision to free up hospital beds and send the elderly to care homes

Thta was Matt Hancocks idea of "throwing a ring of protection around care homes"

That twat should be in jail, instead hes earning £400k on top of his wages sitting in the fucking Jungle in Australia while members of the British public vote for him to stay in.
Fucks sake the people who have left have to live with the fact they are less popular than Matt Hancock
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 25, 2022, 12:09:49 PM
The strangest thing about the covid fiasco was the footage/stories of chinks dying in the streets in the early days.

It was a strong flu FFS.

I was just in Chinatown. Most of the people were wearing masks outdoors.

Are they really afraid of Covid or of the CCP?
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Dalnet on November 25, 2022, 12:58:43 PM
Just watched a doc released the other day on twitter called Died Suddenly.

Interesting watch. A lot of interviews focused mainly on embalmers finding weird white fibrous tissues/clots which congeal around the blood. https://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Dalnet on November 25, 2022, 01:03:12 PM
30k excess death in March 2020, that was a result of the decision to free up hospital beds and send the elderly to care homes

Thta was Matt Hancocks idea of "throwing a ring of protection around care homes"

That twat should be in jail, instead hes earning £400k on top of his wages sitting in the fucking Jungle in Australia while members of the British public vote for him to stay in.
Fucks sake the people who have left have to live with the fact they are less popular than Matt Hancock

I can't believe that f-stick is parading around a clown reality show as if life's peachy creamy. The audacity.

Look back at what politicians used to be like in terms of intellect, debates and opposed opinions and compare them to today. At least they used to make sense in public/on tv.

Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: honest on November 25, 2022, 02:16:34 PM
Thx for the info. I wasn't even aware that some vaccines were MRNA based and others not. Was this a purposeful choice on your part or just the location where you resided happened to only use that particular vaccine?

I've been ignorant in terms of this purely because I chose to not get vaccinated so didn't see any value in researching the vaccines knowing it wouldn't personally affect me. On the other hand - my parents and brother did get vaxxed. My brother works in a hospital so it wasn't really much of a choice for him and parents are elderly and get their news from MSM.

Purposely, took me three doctors to get past MRNA prejudice and insist on AZ, viral vector vaccines have been around for 50 or so years and the traditional flu shot is a viral vector, and I have observed not many people have been dying from flu shots, I would have held out for Novavax a protein based vaccine but it was unavailable, Im familiar with historical MRNA research and its prior to Covid non ability to be able to get approval, even with covid it was given emergency approval only. There is a small risk of clots with AZ that is linked back more to the administration of the vaccine, insist on the doctor drawing back when injecting, there are instances where the vaccine goes directly into the blood stream rather than into the muscle that could be linked back to the very small amount of recipients that have had clotting issues post vaccination, I also insisted my family have blood test soon after to see if any clotting was happening post vaccination all levels were pre vaccination. We all still got covid, and also got sick from covid, JFYI
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: joswift on November 25, 2022, 03:56:11 PM
Purposely, took me three doctors to get past MRNA prejudice and insist on AZ, viral vector vaccines have been around for 50 or so years and the traditional flu shot is a viral vector, and I have observed not many people have been dying from flu shots, I would have held out for Novavax a protein based vaccine but it was unavailable, Im familiar with historical MRNA research and its prior to Covid non ability to be able to get approval, even with covid it was given emergency approval only. There is a small risk of clots with AZ that is linked back more to the administration of the vaccine, insist on the doctor drawing back when injecting, there are instances where the vaccine goes directly into the blood stream rather than into the muscle that could be linked back to the very small amount of recipients that have had clotting issues post vaccination, I also insisted my family have blood test soon after to see if any clotting was happening post vaccination all levels were pre vaccination. We all still got covid, and also got sick from covid, JFYI

thats a bit like drinking a bottle of something and then reading the label to see what you just drunk.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Flexacon on November 25, 2022, 10:09:41 PM
They will push out MRNA flu vaccinations soon

They are better than current flu vacs which are probably the most useless vaccination ever developed, but anyone healthy taking them is a mong.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 26, 2022, 02:45:47 AM
They will push out MRNA flu vaccinations soon

They are better than current flu vacs which are probably the most useless vaccination ever developed, but anyone healthy taking them is a mong.

I’m noticing that the Covid testing tents are morphing into Covid/Flu testing.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: GigantorX on November 27, 2022, 10:06:25 AM
I’m noticing that the Covid testing tents are morphing into Covid/Flu testing.

Need to get the flu numbers higher. Sentinel testing for flu, fucking insane. Just as insane as it was with SARS-COV-2.

Cable news "reported" that there a calls for a National Emergency declaration for the flu now.

By the way, NHS is always close to collapse during flu season. Same with a lot of other hospital systems.

We've entered into Dumb Dumb Insane Land.

COVID did a number on people.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Mayday on November 27, 2022, 11:32:31 AM
I was just in Chinatown. Most of the people were wearing masks outdoors.

Are they really afraid of Covid or of the CCP?

I have a few people in China who work for me. The European girl was very open about things.

Basically it’s a head fuck with testing to go anywhere. Lots of testing to leave your city and when you come back it’s lots of testing to be allowed back in. QR code sign in everywhere. And yea they send a car for you and take you away for 2-3 weeks if you test positive.

One of the guys hasn’t seen his wife for 2yrs. She is doing education overseas and she is not allowed back into China. Not even to visit, flat out refusal.

In a nutshell it’s a huge fear campaign to prevent people leaving/moving around in China.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 27, 2022, 12:30:32 PM
I have a few people in China who work for me. The European girl was very open about things.

Basically it’s a head fuck with testing to go anywhere. Lots of testing to leave your city and when you come back it’s lots of testing to be allowed back in. QR code sign in everywhere. And yea they send a car for you and take you away for 2-3 weeks if you test positive.

One of the guys hasn’t seen his wife for 2yrs. She is doing education overseas and she is not allowed back into China. Not even to visit, flat out refusal.

In a nutshell it’s a huge fear campaign to prevent people leaving/moving around in China.

The question is why are they doing this? Public health?😂😂😂

They have a lot of economic problems, most significantly a real estate crisis which probably results in massive bailouts via money printing. Lockdowns help control price inflation by lessening demand. They also help with their energy crisis with less demand for oil.

Also, apparently, dollar reserves are dwindling as the wealthy are looking to move assets out of China.

So far, I’ve yet to hear any mainstream outlet even entertain the possibility that there might be something else going on.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Mayday on November 27, 2022, 05:16:24 PM
The question is why are they doing this? Public health?😂😂😂

They have a lot of economic problems, most significantly a real estate crisis which probably results in massive bailouts via money printing. Lockdowns help control price inflation by lessening demand. They also help with their energy crisis with less demand for oil.

Also, apparently, dollar reserves are dwindling as the wealthy are looking to move assets out of China.

So far, I’ve yet to hear any mainstream outlet even entertain the possibility that there might be something else going on.

One side might be Xi is Covid crazy and it’s solely him driving the zero positive policy.

Another option might be Shit is slowly going bad and covid lockdowns are being used to slow down resource drain.

Another one might be China retaliation against the US to lockdown and force the US to print and drive the US economy into the dirt. I don’t think it’s this but I know a few smart people who say we are losing to China and I have it all backwards. That’s possible.


My pick would be more to the first and second so Basically you and I are aligned on what might be happening if we had a guess.

Id wager we see China have a death by thousand paper cuts. Finally after 2yrs they actually seem to be getting some decent civil unrest. 1.3B people to manage…… that’s a lot of unhappy plebs…..

Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: honest on November 27, 2022, 09:57:51 PM
thats a bit like drinking a bottle of something and then reading the label to see what you just drunk.

I looked at it more like my TRT where I check and manage my blood for thickening,I still have the medical benefit, whilst managing any potential side effects from use.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 28, 2022, 12:21:57 AM
China locking people down again for Covid while the rest of the world will be locked down for the deadly flu. ::) Someone forgot to give China the new script.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Stutheobald on November 28, 2022, 12:35:03 AM
Interesting chart regarding Italys death rates
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ITA/italy/death-rate
Italy - Historical Death Rate Data
Year     Death Rate   Growth Rate
2022     10.841            0.860%
2021     10.749            0.850%
2020     10.658            0.870%
2019     10.566            0.880%
2018     10.474            0.680%
2017     10.403            0.680%

then that add this
NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

mmm, its like they want to pretend covid never happened..

that's called normalised data, they take out any one off, or major incidences, that would affect the underlying data to show the base rates of birth and death.  The fact they put the note on their, specifically telling you they didn't include the COVID data tells you that it is normalised.
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: joswift on November 28, 2022, 02:14:28 PM
that's called normalised data, they take out any one off, or major incidences, that would affect the underlying data to show the base rates of birth and death.  The fact they put the note on their, specifically telling you they didn't include the COVID data tells you that it is normalised.

can you post a link to when they have done this before with any high instances of deaths by one cause?
Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: Mayday on November 28, 2022, 10:30:36 PM
can you post a link to when they have done this before with any high instances of deaths by one cause?

Normalising data is nothing out of the ordinary.

However……not normalising it initially and plastering numbers all over the media to create a scare campaign THEN effectively erasing that history to make it look like it never happened….. well that’s another story which I believe is the point you are making.



Title: Re: UK NHS overwhelmed with flu cases
Post by: residue on November 28, 2022, 10:40:02 PM
Normalising data is nothing out of the ordinary.

However……not normalising it initially and plastering numbers all over the media to create a scare campaign THEN effectively erasing that history to make it look like it never happened….. well that’s another story which I believe is the point you are making.

Most of that is on the media, or at least the current state of the media. They're gonna post "fake news" or they're gonna jump the gun and post whatever they can to get the most clicks\views, speculation, includes outright lies, incomplete findings. Because at the end of the day most of these folks arent proper journalists, they're influencers