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When we hear everybody complaining about conditions now, just remind yourself of what was tolerated on stage 20 years ago or so. Go to about 4:00 minutes into this video of Taylor, and observe those oil appendages on Ernie in 2001:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ernie+taylor+pump+room+video+2001&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:07883342,vid:RaZKDLKUA6s
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Stupid but he still has a small waist. Are the guys today injecting to make their waists and stomachs bigger?
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Earliest Synthol post I can find on Misc.Fitness.Weights (one of the earliest bodybuilding groups still online) is from Nov 1996 -
"I must admit that when I first heard about Synthol I was a little sceptical to say the least, but now I have seen the results. A friend has recently taken his arms from 20" to 21"'s in a period of 10 days.
The stuff needs to be injected daily directly into the muscle using a 22 gauge 1 and a half inch pin. He started using only 1ml a day per arm but increased the amount by another ml each day. He says his arms still feel 'normal' and he has observed no lack of fuctionality. He also says his bi's feel harder than ever and the sudden increase in size and subsequent skin tightness makes them look awsome.
The cost of this product is high and the potential problems are unknown for this reason I'd be interested in hearing from anyone else who has any experience with using this product."
It was met with discussions on whether it would be better to go Ferrigno style with Silicon.
By 1997 the genie was out of the bottle. Here's Dante "Dogg Crap" Trudel offering the low down on sources in Feb of 1997 -
"Hdcre1mscl
unread,
Feb 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
to
Just wanted to let the group know the answer to the question I get Emailed all the time--about Synthol (injectable oil-which has the effect of 2-3 inches on a bodypart in only 3 weeks or so) and it is supposed to andapparently does last from 3-5 years. Be careful if you get your hands on this stuff--many in Europe are using or have used it with no health hazards but you never know!!! this stuff works and it is going to revolutionize bodybuilding (I dont beleive in a good sense either)
Alot of pros and amateurs are just now getting their hands on the stuff--and just think how these daredevil and freaks are going to look with 3 inches or so on --bi's, tri's delts, calves. It can only be used in the USA as posing oil(wink, wink)-but I have heard from 5 guys who have used it and all are fanatic about it. Manfred Hoerbl--how come when your arm is straight the bicep still looks SO FULL AND FLEXED, and the Tricep is just enormous?!?!?!
ive seen the before shots and there is just no way!!! hmmmmmmmmm--could it be synthrol?LOL. Ask the guys from England from Chemical Warfare what they think about synthol (web page) Pauls up from 19 and a half inches to 21 and a half in 3 weeks, and Kerry went from 17 1/2 to 19 1/2 in 3 also. There should be 2-3 guys in the U.S. carrying the Synthol in the next couple months-but the only guy that I know now who has it is James from Labtec--1800-368-0729.
Synthol comes 100ml for 600 bucks-(ouch) but I guess 2-3 inches on your arms ina couple weeks sure beats the 5 years it would take otherwise. Like I said this stuff is sketchy-I would think you would have to be very careful-and though I heard it is starting to run rampant in Europe and there are no horror stories or problems-I would think asphyxiating so you dont go into a vein is very important. Like I said-it can only be used as a posing oil over here in the U.S.--James said anyone who calls him and says-Hardcore Muscle sent themgets a hundred bucks off-so it would only be 500 dollars.
Im not so sure if this product is completely problem free but Chris Clark-the manufacturer has told me he hasnt seen a problem yet. Be careful--this stuff is hitting the U.S. this year and the pros will no doubt go overboard with it. Jesus what happened to the Weider Principles for gains?!?!?!?!?!?!
Dante-HARDCORE MUSCLE MAGAZINE-619-414-1025 "the no bullshit bodybuilding mag" for the advanced bodybuilder that knows better-"I'll take a bullet for a friend and live with the schrapnel"
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Great find BB.
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed up at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 23-25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what it was.
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what.
At least he wasn’t all show.. he was definitely impressive at the Worlds Strongest Man competition. But the “I need to have the biggest arms in the world” mentality was quite odd. Most of the men in the Worlds Strongest Man competition didn’t think like that. Maybe Hoeberl was insecure.
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Earliest Synthol post I can find on Misc.Fitness.Weights (one of the earliest bodybuilding groups still online) is from Nov 1996 -
"I must admit that when I first heard about Synthol I was a little sceptical to say the least, but now I have seen the results. A friend has recently taken his arms from 20" to 21"'s in a period of 10 days.
The stuff needs to be injected daily directly into the muscle using a 22 gauge 1 and a half inch pin. He started using only 1ml a day per arm but increased the amount by another ml each day. He says his arms still feel 'normal' and he has observed no lack of fuctionality. He also says his bi's feel harder than ever and the sudden increase in size and subsequent skin tightness makes them look awsome.
The cost of this product is high and the potential problems are unknown for this reason I'd be interested in hearing from anyone else who has any experience with using this product."
It was met with discussions on whether it would be better to go Ferrigno style with Silicon.
By 1997 the genie was out of the bottle. Here's Dante "Dogg Crap" Trudel offering the low down on sources in Feb of 1997 -
"Hdcre1mscl
unread,
Feb 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
to
Just wanted to let the group know the answer to the question I get Emailed all the time--about Synthol (injectable oil-which has the effect of 2-3 inches on a bodypart in only 3 weeks or so) and it is supposed to andapparently does last from 3-5 years. Be careful if you get your hands on this stuff--many in Europe are using or have used it with no health hazards but you never know!!! this stuff works and it is going to revolutionize bodybuilding (I dont beleive in a good sense either)
Alot of pros and amateurs are just now getting their hands on the stuff--and just think how these daredevil and freaks are going to look with 3 inches or so on --bi's, tri's delts, calves. It can only be used in the USA as posing oil(wink, wink)-but I have heard from 5 guys who have used it and all are fanatic about it. Manfred Hoerbl--how come when your arm is straight the bicep still looks SO FULL AND FLEXED, and the Tricep is just enormous?!?!?!
ive seen the before shots and there is just no way!!! hmmmmmmmmm--could it be synthrol?LOL. Ask the guys from England from Chemical Warfare what they think about synthol (web page) Pauls up from 19 and a half inches to 21 and a half in 3 weeks, and Kerry went from 17 1/2 to 19 1/2 in 3 also. There should be 2-3 guys in the U.S. carrying the Synthol in the next couple months-but the only guy that I know now who has it is James from Labtec--1800-368-0729.
Synthol comes 100ml for 600 bucks-(ouch) but I guess 2-3 inches on your arms ina couple weeks sure beats the 5 years it would take otherwise. Like I said this stuff is sketchy-I would think you would have to be very careful-and though I heard it is starting to run rampant in Europe and there are no horror stories or problems-I would think asphyxiating so you dont go into a vein is very important. Like I said-it can only be used as a posing oil over here in the U.S.--James said anyone who calls him and says-Hardcore Muscle sent themgets a hundred bucks off-so it would only be 500 dollars.
Im not so sure if this product is completely problem free but Chris Clark-the manufacturer has told me he hasnt seen a problem yet. Be careful--this stuff is hitting the U.S. this year and the pros will no doubt go overboard with it. Jesus what happened to the Weider Principles for gains?!?!?!?!?!?!
Dante-HARDCORE MUSCLE MAGAZINE-619-414-1025 "the no bullshit bodybuilding mag" for the advanced bodybuilder that knows better-"I'll take a bullet for a friend and live with the schrapnel"
Wow. Thanks for digging that stuff up. Good read.
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At least he wasn’t all show.. he was definitely impressive at the Worlds Strongest Man competition. But the “I need to have the biggest arms in the world” mentality was quite odd. Most of the men in the Worlds Strongest Man competition didn’t think like that. Maybe Hoeberl was insecure.
Yeah I read up his bio soon as BB posted that usenet info as tbh I wasn't even aware of the guy and it looks like he had a bad run of luck. Found one picture of him where he looks small and therefore useless to us, now. Stopped doing weight training after a series of car wrecks.
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Yeah I read up his bio soon as BB posted that usenet info as tbh I wasn't even aware of the guy and it looks like he had a bad run of luck. Found one picture of him where he looks small and therefore useless to us, now. Stopped doing weight training after a series of car wrecks.
Probably saved his life.
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I remember when MuscleMag ran a big story on Manfred in 98 or 99 with his 25” arms, thought it was weird since he kept insisting that mri or x Ray would show all real muscle ::)
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greg valvolino is the godfather
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I think for mainstream bodybuilding use, late 96 is it. Tommy's post about Hoeberl made me check MFW for some more stuff. In Summer of 96, it was still thought that he was doing something with silicon. Writers and gym goers in the US and Europe were still secretly checking his biceps for scars, etc.... at shows and at the gym.
The most common thing they thought it was, was micro injections of silicone in the muscle, which was something Bruce Nadler was pushing at the time. Nadler would later kill himself and his wife a little while after his surgical career went south.
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What about Esiclene? Wasn't it an inflamatory oil?
Was it like a more painfull version of propionates?
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greg valvolino is the godfather
I don’t think he used synthol I think he used straight up oil and the low dosed 50mg/ml EQ.
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What about Esiclene? Wasn't it an inflamatory oil?
Was it like a more painfull version of propionates?
Esiclene was a water based steroid that caused a ton of inflammation from lymphatic fluid build up . The volume of shots probably has something to do with it too. All of the stuff I remember people doing at the time were micro doses and 40-100 shots.
I'll keep quiet now, as I have no real experience with it.
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You got to be a jackass to shoot anything into your arms I don’t care if it’s gear or dead oil don’t stick pins in your arms you are just looking for trouble
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You got to be a jackass to shoot anything into your arms I don’t care if it’s gear or dead oil don’t stick pins in your arms you are just looking for trouble
Bitch you are the biggest jackass on this entire site. Lmfao. You stick gear in your glutes and delts right? Pinning your biceps and triceps with gear is the same shit.....called intramuscular injections you dumb bitch.You are the biggest bitch I've ever seen. Complaining on the internet about how another man is bullying you and your family.....lmfao. Do something about it then since you're so big and bad.....lol Get the fuck outta here already with your bitch ass....take your boyfriend V Goodrum with you
In before bitch hanks makes a thread about how he is being bullied by other men....oh wait nevermind the bitch has already done it about Josh. Haha
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Bitch you are the biggest jackass on this entire site. Lmfao. You stick gear in your glutes and delts right? Pinning your biceps and triceps with gear is the same shit.....called intramuscular injections you dumb bitch.You are the biggest bitch I've ever seen. Complaining on the internet about how another man is bullying you and your family.....lmfao. Do something about it then since you're so big and bad.....lol Get the fuck outta here already with your bitch ass....take your boyfriend V Goodrum with you
In before bitch hanks makes a thread about how he is being bullied by other men....oh wait nevermind the bitch has already done it about Josh. Haha
No I don’t I have actually covered that previously delt shots are also retarded and unnecessary. I didn’t complain that I was being bullied I said Josh is a scumbag who contacts people he doesn’t know to talk dirty to them and anyone who supports that behavior is as well. What am I supposed to do fly to Canada and murder a 60 year old man with Parkinson’s? I won’t even make it back to the US. Dude is embarrassing himself not me
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Esiclene was a water based steroid that caused a ton of inflammation from lymphatic fluid build up . The volume of shots probably has something to do with it too. All of the stuff I remember people doing at the time were micro doses and 40-100 shots.
I'll keep quiet now, as I have no real experience with it.
Pretty much spot on. Esiclene was never cost effective.
As mentioned- lots of solution was required and lots of injections… and lots of money. Did guys use it? Oh ya. But nobody loved it- except perhaps Kevin L.
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I did the Eastern USA in NYC and there was a huge Black guy with an almost perfect physique but he had a humongous amount of Synthol in his rear delts.....to me it fucked up his whole look and he was jacked.......they looked retarded.
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed up at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 23-25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what it was.
His arms looked like loafs of bread.
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During the early days, men were actually drinking it for bigger arms instead of injecting
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/2067633/over-the-top-8.gif)
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When you Google Manfred he is on the cover of a magazine and it says “10 minutes to big arms.”
Sounds about right..
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greg valvolino is the godfather
I could listen to his stories all day long.
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I could listen to his stories all day long.
He had a really nice build pre-Synthol.
Met him in Connecticut......not a bad guy from what I saw of him,but I could never get with his Synthol use......geezus it looked fucking dumb and had to cause health problems.
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He had a really nice build pre-Synthol.
Met him in Connecticut......not a bad guy from what I saw of him,but I could never get with his Synthol use......geezus it looked fucking dumb and had to cause health problems.
He definitely got attention.
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He definitely got attention.
Yeah and he was very loud and boisterous,almost to the point of being obnoxious,but he`s a NYC guy so that`s almost normal for people from there.
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When you Google Manfred he is on the cover of a magazine and it says “10 minutes to big arms.”
Sounds about right..
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He definitely looks mentally ill here
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Ernie Taylor and those crazy triceps. When I first saw them I didn't know what the fuck was going on, thought perhaps he has tremendous genetics for triceps!
Most synthol looks like absolute shit, they always overdo it and you can tell immediately. Must be some pros that use it just right and you can't tell but who knows?
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He definitely looks mentally ill here
He looks koo koo for Cocoa Puffs for sure! ;D
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Yea same but then we knew no different back then.
Also thought Manfreds arms were insane but even noticed then they lacked vascularity.
I remember him saying he was compared to arnold and he'd say but my muscles are much bigger than his. Well now we know his actual muscles weren't, delusional.
Ernie Taylor and those crazy triceps. When I first saw them I didn't know what the fuck was going on, thought perhaps he has tremendous genetics for triceps!
Most synthol looks like absolute shit, they always overdo it and you can tell immediately. Must be some pros that use it just right and you can't tell but who knows?
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Ernie Taylor and those crazy triceps. When I first saw them I didn't know what the fuck was going on, thought perhaps he has tremendous genetics for triceps!
Most synthol looks like absolute shit, they always overdo it and you can tell immediately. Must be some pros that use it just right and you can't tell but who knows?
Maybe a person or two tells them it looks weird, but there are more than enough spectators, fanboys, schmoes, etc. that give all kinds of positive feedback. Look at those two dudes oiling Ernie’s arms at 4:15 minutes in the video like it is the most normal, impressive thing in the world.
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He definitely looks mentally ill here
This might’ve been before his synthol use. Looks natural here. Hard work
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This might’ve been before his synthol use. Looks natural here. Hard work
definately oil there
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Yea same but then we knew no different back then.
Also thought Manfreds arms were insane but even noticed then they lacked vascularity.
I remember him saying he was compared to arnold and he'd say but my muscles are much bigger than his. Well now we know his actual muscles weren't, delusional.
I don`t care how big his fake arms were he wasn`t worthy to even carry Arnolds gym bag.
What a douche to even compare himself in any way to Arnold.
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definately oil there
You’re wrong, bucko. Work your arms HARD for 10 minutes a day. Come back here in a month and post your guns to prove me right
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He was austrian too.. ;D
I don`t care how big his fake arms were he wasn`t worthy to even carry Arnolds gym bag.
What a douche to even compare himself in any way to Arnold.
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He was austrian too.. ;D
The Austrian Oak vs. The Austrian Oil Rig
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed up at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 23-25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what it was.
TWB did you ever work there when John Cena worked front desk ??
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Pretty much spot on. Esiclene was never cost effective.
As mentioned- lots of solution was required and lots of injections… and lots of money. Did guys use it? Oh ya. But nobody loved it- except perhaps Kevin L.
I remember an old interview where Flex said he tried using it a few times pre contest in his delts but it made him pass out each time he started the injection process. He said for delts, you had to do about 20 small injections in a "T" formation to get a balanced look at at some point of the process he would just fall over and pass out.
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I remember an old interview where Flex said he tried using it a few times pre contest in his delts but it made him pass out each time he started the injection process. He said for delts, you had to do about 20 small injections in a "T" formation to get a balanced look at at some point of the process he would just fall over and pass out.
Hey, he’s a human just like us. He puts his thong on one leg at a time
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Hey, he’s a human just like us. He puts his thong on one leg at a time
I see what you did there !! :D
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Russian Popeye made the NYPost.
https://nypost.com/2025/11/24/world-news/freakish-popeye-who-injected-his-biceps-could-now-lose-both-arms/
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Earliest Synthol post I can find on Misc.Fitness.Weights (one of the earliest bodybuilding groups still online) is from Nov 1996 -
"I must admit that when I first heard about Synthol I was a little sceptical to say the least, but now I have seen the results. A friend has recently taken his arms from 20" to 21"'s in a period of 10 days.
The stuff needs to be injected daily directly into the muscle using a 22 gauge 1 and a half inch pin. He started using only 1ml a day per arm but increased the amount by another ml each day. He says his arms still feel 'normal' and he has observed no lack of fuctionality. He also says his bi's feel harder than ever and the sudden increase in size and subsequent skin tightness makes them look awsome.
The cost of this product is high and the potential problems are unknown for this reason I'd be interested in hearing from anyone else who has any experience with using this product."
It was met with discussions on whether it would be better to go Ferrigno style with Silicon.
By 1997 the genie was out of the bottle. Here's Dante "Dogg Crap" Trudel offering the low down on sources in Feb of 1997 -
"Hdcre1mscl
unread,
Feb 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
to
Just wanted to let the group know the answer to the question I get Emailed all the time--about Synthol (injectable oil-which has the effect of 2-3 inches on a bodypart in only 3 weeks or so) and it is supposed to andapparently does last from 3-5 years. Be careful if you get your hands on this stuff--many in Europe are using or have used it with no health hazards but you never know!!! this stuff works and it is going to revolutionize bodybuilding (I dont beleive in a good sense either)
Alot of pros and amateurs are just now getting their hands on the stuff--and just think how these daredevil and freaks are going to look with 3 inches or so on --bi's, tri's delts, calves. It can only be used in the USA as posing oil(wink, wink)-but I have heard from 5 guys who have used it and all are fanatic about it. Manfred Hoerbl--how come when your arm is straight the bicep still looks SO FULL AND FLEXED, and the Tricep is just enormous?!?!?!
ive seen the before shots and there is just no way!!! hmmmmmmmmm--could it be synthrol?LOL. Ask the guys from England from Chemical Warfare what they think about synthol (web page) Pauls up from 19 and a half inches to 21 and a half in 3 weeks, and Kerry went from 17 1/2 to 19 1/2 in 3 also. There should be 2-3 guys in the U.S. carrying the Synthol in the next couple months-but the only guy that I know now who has it is James from Labtec--1800-368-0729.
Synthol comes 100ml for 600 bucks-(ouch) but I guess 2-3 inches on your arms ina couple weeks sure beats the 5 years it would take otherwise. Like I said this stuff is sketchy-I would think you would have to be very careful-and though I heard it is starting to run rampant in Europe and there are no horror stories or problems-I would think asphyxiating so you dont go into a vein is very important. Like I said-it can only be used as a posing oil over here in the U.S.--James said anyone who calls him and says-Hardcore Muscle sent themgets a hundred bucks off-so it would only be 500 dollars.
Im not so sure if this product is completely problem free but Chris Clark-the manufacturer has told me he hasnt seen a problem yet. Be careful--this stuff is hitting the U.S. this year and the pros will no doubt go overboard with it. Jesus what happened to the Weider Principles for gains?!?!?!?!?!?!
Dante-HARDCORE MUSCLE MAGAZINE-619-414-1025 "the no bullshit bodybuilding mag" for the advanced bodybuilder that knows better-"I'll take a bullet for a friend and live with the schrapnel"
So right around the time period 2001 or so a local personal trainer who, rumor had it (I live in his hometown and used to watch him training some local competitors Chris cook being the biggest name at the time he was working with publicly) and dude changed the game as far as synthol goes. He developed some training protocol based around synthol and insulin and from what I heard was real anal about his guys he would drop them if he caught them smoking cigarettes or taking stimulants as his whole protocol was based around maximizing volume in the muscle and max vasodilation etc.
So this time period top pros were all trying to figure out what to do with synthol. I think most were shooting with a harpoon and hoping it would look right. So he came along and figured out synthol could be used in more than just arms and delts he if I recall took Chris cook pro and before working with him his back was pancake flat and was holding him back. Prior to his win I think at nationals I'm too busy to look it up but anyway allegedly the bathroom at golds on meridian (before it closed) they'd go in there (the bathroom was mirrored it was dope the gym was bay area mecca until it closed) and dude was shooting synthol in all the little muscles in chris's back and it worked, his back looked decent and much improved he turned pro and launched dudes career.
So nowadays the concept behind a bodybuilder hiring a coach was never about nutrition it was drug stacks and expertise with site enhancement protocols. I guess it's complicated and very technical. Today you have fucks like Nick Walker who I'm 100% sure is mostly built with SEO. the science of SEO has advanced and we have today guys like Andrew jacked who literally injected their way to a pro card after 2-3 years after starting to train. Andrew jacked also Samson duda and many many other top pros went from skinny nothing to winning a pro card in just 2-3 years total.
The status quo for decades has been 5-10 years of hard consistent training and gear use minimum just to turn pro. Bodybuilding is now dying and guys are just injecting their way to big bloofy muscles it's all fake and we fans are losing Interest.
Now the question is how can we fix this crap???
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I remember an old interview where Flex said he tried using it a few times pre contest in his delts but it made him pass out each time he started the injection process. He said for delts, you had to do about 20 small injections in a "T" formation to get a balanced look at at some point of the process he would just fall over and pass out.
Bodybuilders lie. Esiclene was cheap and plentiful in the 90s in Europe. Ifbb pros would stock up on the euro tour after Olympia, specifically compete just to stock up on esiclene and gear and send it back home.
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If you would like to know how the Synthol process works, the results and so on this is an interesting thread. The guy now admits he got carried away and totally fucked up.
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/luki-offseason-blow-up-arms-at-3-with-syntherol-road-do-320lbs.165508/
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed up at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 23-25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what it was.
Manfred Hoeberl today (presumably)
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Russian Popeye made the NYPost.
https://nypost.com/2025/11/24/world-news/freakish-popeye-who-injected-his-biceps-could-now-lose-both-arms/
To match his missing brain.
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He definitely looks mentally ill here
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John Litte lol
Add it to the pile of useless crap he's written, next to the Mike Mentzer hagiographies about how his idol was a misunderstood genius out to clean up the fitness industry cesspit and not a mentally ill pseudo-intellectual contrarian
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John Litte lol
Add it to the pile of useless crap he's written, next to the Mike Mentzer hagiographies about how his idol was a misunderstood genius out to clean up the fitness industry cesspit and not a mentally ill pseudo-intellectual contrarian
:D
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I'll give Manfred this, he didn't stick around trying to Al Bundy it. Randall Strossen of Ironmind was a bit of a Hoeberl schmoe, and kept up with him. Still strong with grip stuff, but no love for any of the other strength stuff -
(https://ironmind.com/export/sites/ironmind/.galleries/images-no-uses/manfred-hoeberl-2_lg.jpg).
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www.manfredhoeberl.com .
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John Litte lol
Add it to the pile of useless crap he's written, next to the Mike Mentzer hagiographies about how his idol was a misunderstood genius out to clean up the fitness industry cesspit and not a mentally ill pseudo-intellectual contrarian
Mike might have been a natural contrarian, but I always perceived him as genuine at least; like he really believed what he said, false or not. Some of the things he said were unscientific when looked at today but the Arthur Jones/early Mike Mentzer brief but intense workouts seem to still be about the best we have today for bodybuilding, imho of course. The very late workouts with just holding a weight for a number of seconds in the shortened position for one set every two weeks went quite a bit over the logical line for me. Although he said this one set extension workout added slabs of muscle on either David or Peter Paul. I can actually believe that still since if you start something like this clean from hormones you can gain back muscle at a tremendous rate hopping back on with minimal lifting. He somehow applied Ayn Rand's philosophy to lifting in a way that didn't seem appropriate LOL. John Little had that partial shortened position program where he argued for how superior it was by how much more total weight you moved per workout. Totally misguided. If he'd said train in the lengthened position only that might have had some merit :D
Mike did make me think "critically" in my early teen years. There was nothing better then IMO :D
Manfred was able to lose his arms, which is good. The fella in the promuscle thread thinks it's permanent in his case pretty much. All scar tissue.
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Mike did make me think "critically" in my early teen years. There was nothing better then IMO :D
Lol, a fly landing on a table makes you think critically
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Lol, a fly landing on a table makes you think critically
Haha some of my friends say I'm soo gullible! Easy to fool. They laugh as they say this so I'm not sure how serious LOL. May be true so I try to think critically, "check your sources" and all that crap. I'm 48 and my nephew is 21 and when he visits he always says what propaganda are you watching now and I answer I try not to take anyone's word for something just like that, and then would he please give me an 'unbiased' or 'objective' source! And I always point out that just because I watch something it doesn't mean I believe it. But like I always say on here, there are no strictly objective sources of anything, especially with news and such :D 8) Another long winded reply but I desperately try to preempt misunderstandings.
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If you would like to know how the Synthol process works, the results and so on this is an interesting thread. The guy now admits he got carried away and totally fucked up.
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/luki-offseason-blow-up-arms-at-3-with-syntherol-road-do-320lbs.165508/
yeah it does not look good what so ever. I don't understand how you can not see how bad it starts to look until you get to that point.
https://www.instagram.com/luki_jacked_coach/p/DP__o38iMB5/?img_index=1
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also Van you said synthol would dissapitate from the muscle like other carrier oils.
Well that guys last synthol injection was in 2021 according to himself, and in 2025 his arms still look like that. So is he still injecting oil?
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also Van you said synthol would dissapitate from the muscle like other carrier oils.
Well that guys last synthol injection was in 2021 according to himself, and in 2025 his arms still look like that. So is he still injecting oil?
I forget what he himself says but I believe it's massive amounts of scar tissue buildup. Hard to believe but how else to explain it? I know he says it's basically permanent and I would guess he blames scar tissue as well, I forget. The seller of Syntherol says the oil simply stretches the connective tissue temporarily and the permanent growth is then "real" muscle. Who can then believe that when the shape changes like that, always for the worse? They say they have seen scans of Syntholed muscles and there's no oil, just muscle but can you see scar tissue through these images?
Go to the MCT section at 24:11. "Even long ester steroids brewed in MCT need to be injected daily to keep steady levels, it disperses so fast."
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What do you think?
Late edit about the scar tissue.
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yeah it does not look good what so ever. I don't understand how you can not see how bad it starts to look until you get to that point.
https://www.instagram.com/luki_jacked_coach/p/DP__o38iMB5/?img_index=1
Milos said he could see that it started to look shitty but then he tried to 'correct' it by injecting in other parts of the same muscle, like a sculptor I guess :D
Guy already had like 52cm biceps.
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Milos said he could see that it started to look shitty but then he tried to 'correct' it by injecting in other parts of the same muscle, like a sculptor I guess :D
Guy already had like 52cm biceps.
well I looked the guy up on youtube to see how it really looks like and well it looks terrible in motion as well. Almost Greg velentino like nearing... he put it in delts and tric also, and god knows what else.
see 1:28 :-\
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well I looked the guy up on youtube to see how it really looks like and well it looks terrible in motion as well. Almost Greg velentino like nearing... he put it in delts and tric also, and god knows what else.
see 1:28 :-\
Yes it's a shame. He's not a "stupid" guy in that he understands his fuckups and constantly tries to do things smarter. If you read that thread you can see he has reasonable thoughts wrt bodybuilding, but also acknowledges that he's not a scientist, bodybuilder are experimenting by injecting different things in their asses. He was on the liver transplant list a while back but I think he's recovering as far as that. Says he hasn't done a workout without insulin in 15 years. Was doing very high doses of conventional steroids. If I'm not mistaken the liver took a hit from Dihydroboldenone or 1-Testosterone which they didn't know was apparently very liver toxic. I think he has a lot of competitive clients, a pro fitness gf, his own forum and so on, but then you wonder wtf he was thinking with the oil, I think he said he realized he could never be pro so he wanted to be monstrous at least. Always ripped.
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yeah it does not look good what so ever. I don't understand how you can not see how bad it starts to look until you get to that point.
https://www.instagram.com/luki_jacked_coach/p/DP__o38iMB5/?img_index=1
fucks sake just look at what that retard is up to now
Current cycle (last week)
Test decanoate – 350 mg/wk
Masteron E – 1050 mg/wk
Nandrolone (Deca + NPP) – 125 mg/wk
GH – 15 IU (training days), 10 IU (rest days)
L-carnitine (IM) – 600 mg/day
-300 mg fasted
-300 mg pre-workout
SLU-PP-332 – 1500 mcg/day
-750 mcg morning
-750 mcg pre-workout
Arimidex – 1 mg EOD
Clenbuterol (injectable) – 40 mcg/day
T3 + T4 – 30 mcg + 150 mcg
Yohimbine – 30 mg fasted
Humalog – 2×14 IU
-pre-meal: 8 IU before, 6 IU after
-post-meal: 8 IU before, 6 IU after
New cycle (starting next Monday)
Test decanoate – 500 mg/wk
Primobolan E – 400 mg/wk
Nandrolone (Deca + NPP) – 125 mg/wk
GH – 15 IU / 10 IU
L-carnitine (IM) – 300 mg pre-workout
MOTS-C – 1 mg morning fasted
Arimidex – 0.5 mg EOD
T3 + T4 – 30 mcg + 150 mcg
IGF-LR3 – 50 mcg post-workout (training days only)
IGF-DES – 200 mcg during training into the trained muscle (bilateral)
Humalog – 2×14 IU
-pre-meal: 8 IU before, 6 IU after
-post-meal: 8 IU before, 6 IU after
who could be fucking arsed to do all that
I cant remember to take one BP med at bedtime
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some of these cycles with all the peptides etc you must be fucking rain man to remember them.
bottom line if a couple ml of test and one or two other compounds are getting you growing its largely fruitless. genetics plays a big big role.
if you are taking 54iu of hgh and a boatload of lasix to stand at 185 on stage its really not for you. the genetics and drug response just arent there. add in eating like shit and training like a moron and its a recipe for disaster.
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some of these cycles with all the peptides etc you must be fucking rain man to remember them.
bottom line if a couple ml of test and one or two other compounds are getting you growing its largely fruitless. genetics plays a big big role.
if you are taking 54iu of hgh and a boatload of lasix to stand at 185 on stage its really not for you. the genetics and drug response just arent there. add in eating like shit and training like a moron and its a recipe for disaster.
Lets hope so
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fucks sake just look at what that retard is up to now
who could be fucking arsed to do all that
I cant remember to take one BP med at bedtime
But it's like he's dropped his steroids to a fifth of what it was before. High GH and everything else is "little" things, lots of products but not a heavy bodybuilding cycle at all. He's going for shreds and health :D
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But it's like he's dropped his steroids to a fifth of what it was before. High GH and everything else is "little" things, lots of products but not a heavy bodybuilding cycle at all. He's going for shreds and health :D
likely forced to do it due to health issues. Kidneys or whatever. Often they will not be open about all their issues untill it's really bad... like time for dialisys.
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likely forced to do it due to health issues. Kidneys or whatever. Often they will not be open about all their issues untill it's really bad... like time for dialisys.
Absolutely, I think he says it's for health considerations, plus realizing you didn't really need all that juice you did at high dose for years. He emerged as a "truth teller" of what stacks of advanced guys looked like and he was correct. But now they try to compensate with adding other chems and chems for actual health benefits and protection, hopefully. In the 90s they didn't give a shit about BP, never mind blood glucose and inflammatory markers like c-reactive protein and so on. And he showed standard medical treatment might not be the correct one always either, the drugs they give might make a situation worse sometimes. Like UDCA (TUDCA without the taurine) in his case. I got a script for a year of this compound for my gallbladder stones and it's hard to know if it still might be beneficial in certain situations, and at what dosage, without frequent blood work. And who's competent in reading blood work without being a doctor anyway. Or even a doc unfamiliar with PEDs. For example, one pro bb MD says don't go just by creatitine for bodybuilders looking at the kidneys, you need cystatin-c too.
And for liver ALT and AST do not give a complete picture, you want the GGT. And so on.
This fella says he remains very positive despite setbacks.
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when i was in hospital in april my c-reactive protein was 121
not good
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For example, one pro bb MD says don't go just by creatitine for bodybuilders looking at the kidneys, you need cystatin-c too.
That's true. Anyone with high muscle mass can have their creatinine levels be higher because it is a muscle breakdown product. So, they use different ways to look at kidney function besides the creatinine.
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Current cycle (last week)
Test decanoate – 350 mg/wk
Masteron E – 1050 mg/wk
Nandrolone (Deca + NPP) – 125 mg/wk
GH – 15 IU (training days), 10 IU (rest days)
L-carnitine (IM) – 600 mg/day
-300 mg fasted
-300 mg pre-workout
SLU-PP-332 – 1500 mcg/day
-750 mcg morning
-750 mcg pre-workout
Arimidex – 1 mg EOD
Clenbuterol (injectable) – 40 mcg/day
T3 + T4 – 30 mcg + 150 mcg
Yohimbine – 30 mg fasted
Humalog – 2×14 IU
-pre-meal: 8 IU before, 6 IU after
-post-meal: 8 IU before, 6 IU after
New cycle (starting next Monday)
Test decanoate – 500 mg/wk
Primobolan E – 400 mg/wk
Nandrolone (Deca + NPP) – 125 mg/wk
GH – 15 IU / 10 IU
L-carnitine (IM) – 300 mg pre-workout
MOTS-C – 1 mg morning fasted
Arimidex – 0.5 mg EOD
T3 + T4 – 30 mcg + 150 mcg
IGF-LR3 – 50 mcg post-workout (training days only)
IGF-DES – 200 mcg during training into the trained muscle (bilateral)
Humalog – 2×14 IU
-pre-meal: 8 IU before, 6 IU after
-post-meal: 8 IU before, 6 IU after
Holy shit,I hated taking 2 shots per week.................... ..some people are just fucking insane.
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Holy shit,I hated taking 2 shots per week.................... ..some people are just fucking insane.
I know what you mean about the roid shots, annoying preparation too.
How do you find taking insulin? I think it's a breeze, with my eyesight I can barely see the needle. The above stack could actually be done with just insulin needles, even the steroids into subq fat or a so called shallow injection.
when i was in hospital in april my c-reactive protein was 121
not good
I don't know what ails you but Vigorous Steve informed me, lol, in the above video that certain UG steroid labs use synthetic oils like ethyl oleate and some other solvents not listed, so the steroid holds better in solution, and many don't disclose these. He says he's seen lots of blood work showing these shoot the c-reactive protein way high, which the means there's lots of inflammation, body lays down plaque easier and sso on. Even some pharma labs use these. Said "test flu" and a flushed face are some of the signs your product might be using toxic oils and solvents. Said the original Parabolan was never healthy due to the oil chosen. Some natural carrier oils might actually have minor health benefits. Like olive oil or I think grapeseed oil, but he liked castor oil best since it releases from the depot really slowly.
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SUBQ SHOTS worry me! Lumps all over??
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SUBQ SHOTS worry me! Lumps all over??
If you have say a painless test made with natural and benign oils and there are no super-solvents in there, for me even 1ml around my navel hasn't caused any lumps, pain or discomfort. I'm sure it's somewhat individual. If I was on true HRT, I'd just pop 10mg of test e into my stomach daily for sure. I don't remember all I've tried subq but for example Galenika and Cidoteston worked great.