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Erythritol is used as a sugar substitute in many diet and keto processed foods.
Beware!
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Should stop all artificial sweeteners in general, bodybuilders drink diet soda all day, Crystal Light in their water jugs, it's in all pre workout, post workout, greens drinks, fiber supplements,, and protein powders. Just constantly loading up their bodies with this shit, then wonder why they have digestive issues, they have bloating.
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Sounds like BS.
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Dafuk is erythritol....
Lots of real sugar ie diabetes causes far more of them, that I am sure.
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I read that your body recognizes the sweetness (whether it's a zero calorie/zero carb sugar substitute or real sugar/simple sugar) and associates it with an insulin response and releases insulin anyway.
I don't know that to be 100% correct but in theory seems accurate.
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I read that your body recognizes the sweetness (whether it's a zero calorie/zero carb sugar substitute or real sugar/simple sugar) and associates it with an insulin response and releases insulin anyway.
I don't know that to be 100% correct but in theory seems accurate.
Just had a conversation with a gastroenterologist yesterday who said the same exact thing
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Should stop all artificial sweeteners in general, bodybuilders drink diet soda all day, Crystal Light in their water jugs, it's in all pre workout, post workout, greens drinks, fiber supplements,, and protein powders. Just constantly loading up their bodies with this shit, then wonder why they have digestive issues, they have bloating.
Yup. It's one of the easiest things to cut out.
It's so easy to stick to eating when you go the carnivore/primal/keto route - the foods are delicious. It's not a chore at all.
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Yup. It's one of the easiest things to cut out.
It's so easy to stick to eating when you go the carnivore/primal/keto route - the foods are delicious. It's not a chore at all.
Absolutely, I mean it's just common sense, putting in fake chemical man made artificial sweeteners just can't be good for the human body, none of this shit is found in nature, not sure where this craze started with bodybuilders but it definitely wasn't the 70s.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CpQQXcNoq6Z/
Erythritol is produced endogenously.
Can't pronounce it? It must be bad. Big words bad.
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Everything in moderation my nikkas. (Including poison)
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Why use a concentrated processed chemical sweetener? You want to sweeten something, use raw unfiltered honey, organic maple syrup.
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Truvia is advertised as Stevia Leaf, but if you look at the ingredients it's mostly Erythritol.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CpQQXcNoq6Z/
Erythritol is produced endogenously.
Can't pronounce it? It must be bad. Big words bad.
So is glucose, yet high levels of it over a long period of time will make you very sick and eventually kill you.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CpQQXcNoq6Z/
Erythritol is produced endogenously.
Can't pronounce it? It must be bad. Big words bad.
Watch the video and learn.
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Should stop all artificial sweeteners in general, bodybuilders drink diet soda all day, Crystal Light in their water jugs, it's in all pre workout, post workout, greens drinks, fiber supplements,, and protein powders. Just constantly loading up their bodies with this shit, then wonder why they have digestive issues, they have bloating.
Agreed.
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Truvia is advertised as Stevia Leaf, but if you look at the ingredients it's mostly Erythritol.
I have a bag of Stevia from Aldi and contains Maltodextrin instead of Erythritol.
Maltodextrin is sugar.
I use about 1 tsp in my shake.
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I have a bag of Stevia from Aldi and contains Maltodextrin instead of Erythritol.
Maltodextrin is sugar.
Yup, and there is dextrose(a simple sugar) in Splenda, Equal, Sweet'N Low, and some Stevia sweeteners too. It's the very first ingredient in these.
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Dextrose is in iodized salt too. It all adds up quick if one doesn't pay attention.
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I never liked Erythritol anyway. It gives me gas. On a animal-based keto diet, I rarely have gas and bloating anymore and I love it. I never want to go back to that.
If I must artificially sweeten something, I prefer pure sucralose in liquid form because it takes only a couple small drops to sweeten a cup of coffee or a glass of seltzer water.
Monk Fruit is supposed to be more natural and healthier, but it takes 20 to 30 drops to do the job. Same with pure, liquid Stevia. Stevia is too bitter for my taste too.
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I have a bag of Stevia from Aldi and contains Maltodextrin instead of Erythritol.
Maltodextrin is sugar.
I use about 1 tsp in my shake.
Not really
Although maltodextrin is deemed safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Cleveland Clinic researchers found that maltodextrin alters gut bacteria. The additive with the normal digestive process causes the bacteria to adhere to the layers of cells that line the intestines – a characteristic of IBD.
I use sweetners for hot drinks, believe it or not its for the texture and not the taste
Without sugar or sweetners drinks are not "round" enough..
If you know what I mean you know...
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Watch the video and learn.
Watch the video I posted and learn.
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I never liked Erythritol anyway. It gives me gas. On a animal-based keto diet, I rarely have gas and bloating anymore and I love it. I never want to go back to that.
If I must artificially sweeten something, I prefer pure sucralose in liquid form because it takes only a couple small drops to sweeten a cup of coffee or a glass of seltzer water.
Monk Fruit is supposed to be more natural and healthier, but it takes 20 to 30 drops to do the job. Same with pure, liquid Stevia. Stevia is too bitter for my taste too.
Same as far as gas. Pretty amazing.
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Not really
I use sweetners for hot drinks, believe it or not its for the texture and not the taste
Without sugar or sweetners drinks are not "round" enough..
If you know what I mean you know...
Swifty, my bad. You are correct.
Maltodextrin is a polysaccharide.
A recent study indicates that all the artificial sweeteners alter the gut biome so it's probably best to avoid al of them.
https://www.medicinenet.com/is_maltodextrin_a_sugar/article.htm
https://www.thoughtco.com/polysaccharide-definition-and-functions-4780155
A polysaccharide is a type of carbohydrate. It is a polymer made up of many sugar subunits, called monosaccharides. Polysaccharides may be linear or branched. They may consist of a single type of simple sugar (homopolysaccharides) or two or more sugars (heteropolysaccharides).
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Watch the video I posted and learn.
Not on Instragram unfortunately.
Erythritol is produced by the body and is also present in various foods naturally.
However, it is produced by the body and present naturally in minute amounts.
The amount consumed by people in processed foods and through the use of artificial sweeteners is 1,000 of times these amounts.
One can of diet soda with erythritol has approx. 30 grams which is amount used in the recent study.
Lots of people consume many times that every day.
Erythritol has been shown to make blood sticky and thus more prone to clotting.
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The heavier hitters in nutrition are debunking this garbage.
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The whole concept is absolutely ridiculous, bodybuilders taking thyroid meds, clenbuterol, hgh, steroids...eat rice with every meal, but are terrified of real sugar. You really need to use that Splenda on your oats? You can't just use a tablespoon of raw unfiltered honey? You need to use that sugar free jelly in your cream of rice, you can't use a tablespoon of organic maple syrup? It's laughable.
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Everything in moderation my nikkas. (Including poison)
That’s what shitzo said when he sucked cocks
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The whole concept is absolutely ridiculous, bodybuilders taking thyroid meds, clenbuterol, hgh, steroids...eat rice with every meal, but are terrified of real sugar. You really need to use that Splenda on your oats? You can't just use a tablespoon of raw unfiltered honey? You need to use that sugar free jelly in your cream of rice, you can't use a tablespoon of organic maple syrup? It's laughable.
Not sure about that.
Anything that makes the blood more sticky and prone to clotting might be of serious concern to bodybuilders taking drugs that thicken their blood.
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I wonder how many obese, inactive people are freaking out about this “study” ???
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Not sure about that.
Anything that makes the blood more sticky and prone to clotting might be of serious concern to bodybuilders taking drugs that thicken their blood.
You do understand that rice, oats, potatoes, etc..all turn into glucose "sugar" right?
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You do understand that rice, oats, potatoes, etc..all turn into glucose "sugar" right?
By "not sure about that" I meant bodybuilders might want to avoid erythritol if it makes their blood more sticky since steroid use usually thickens the blood.
So they could be increasing their heart attack risk.
Bodybuilders are generally foolish in their pursuit of glam muscles and plastic trophies.
As you say, bodybuilders are often very careful about what they eat and yet take harmful growth drugs.
Eating organic, drinking raw milk, grass fed meat, etc. It's quite hilarious as they then take excess amounts of illegal drugs sold by organized crime.
It takes some mental trickery to make such rationalizations.
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Stopped eating sugar a month ago, transformed my physique, lost 10 lbs, and feel great.
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I read that your body recognizes the sweetness (whether it's a zero calorie/zero carb sugar substitute or real sugar/simple sugar) and associates it with an insulin response and releases insulin anyway.
I don't know that to be 100% correct but in theory seems accurate.
It's not considered true any longer. Lots of studies.
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The whole concept is absolutely ridiculous, bodybuilders taking thyroid meds, clenbuterol, hgh, steroids...eat rice with every meal, but are terrified of real sugar. You really need to use that Splenda on your oats? You can't just use a tablespoon of raw unfiltered honey? You need to use that sugar free jelly in your cream of rice, you can't use a tablespoon of organic maple syrup? It's laughable.
I think bodybuilders and many average folks are too scared of sugar but I also think they are too scared of artificial sweeteners as well. People can't put things in context.
Personally I think soda or energy drinks with sweeteners taste like absolute shit. A regular coke compared to diet coke - it's just not the same thing. The taste is completely different. However many claim they think diet soda tastes almost exactly the same.
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Most of the artificial sweeteners trigger an insulin response but a couple don't.
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Most of the artificial sweeteners trigger an insulin response but a couple don't.
Who cares about an insulin response when you're putting artificial chemicals in your stomach that damage the gut biome.
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I think bodybuilders and many average folks are too scared of sugar but I also think they are too scared of artificial sweeteners as well. People can't put things in context.
Personally I think soda or energy drinks with sweeteners taste like absolute shit. A regular coke compared to diet coke - it's just not the same thing. The taste is completely different. However many claim they think diet soda tastes almost exactly the same.
People have different taste buds. I can taste a big difference between regular coke and diet coke. Not so much of a difference to me between regular coke and coke zero. Over here regular American coke uses corn syrup and "Mexican" regular coke uses real sugar. A lot of people can also taste that difference, but I cannot.
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I use sweeteners in my coffee and other things.....if drugs,cigarettes,and booze didn`t kill me I`ll be damned if I worry about a few packets of Splenda or Stevia.
Carry on worry warts......imagine all the obese fucks downing sugar in 50 gallon drums then go buy some Aspartame and feel good doing so. :D
Sarcasm should be noted,I hope all of you guys are all healthy as Hell but the only 2 vices I have left are artificial sweeteners and chronic masturbation.....I`ll be damned if I ever stop either. :D
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Yikes,
i do drink some diet soda maybe one a day.. and a decent amount of splenda in my oatmeal.
fuck, i remember one prep when i was 2-3 weeks out mid day i would eat a pack of splenda for a pick me up.
disgusting i know.
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I use sweeteners in my coffee and other things.....if drugs,cigarettes,and booze didn`t kill me I`ll be damned if I worry about a few packets of Splenda or Stevia.
Carry on worry warts......imagine all the obese fucks downing sugar in 50 gallon drums then go buy some Aspartame and feel good doing so. :D
Sarcasm should be noted,I hope all of you guys are all healthy as Hell but the only 2 vices I have left are artificial sweeteners and chronic masturbation.....I`ll be damned if I ever stop either. :D
Just a question why? Is it a calorie thing? I'm just curious
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Who cares about an insulin response when you're putting artificial chemicals in your stomach that damage the gut biome.
Right.
Best to avoid this stuff altogether.
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Just a question why? Is it a calorie thing? I'm just curious
Yes basically.....useless empty calories and unnecessary insulin spikes.
I once read a study ( I KNOW I KNOW) it said in order for Aspartame or Sucralose (Can`T RECALL WHICH) to have any detrimental effect on a persons heath they would have to ingest a veritable dumptruck of the stuff.
I eat healthy, and I honestly am not concerned with worrying about something I consider trivial.....and in my humble opinion is not anything to be concerned about......unless of course that dump truck is in your driveway waiting to be replenished. :)
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Sucralose is one of the worst ones. It definitely causes an insulin spike like real sugar.
Aspartame has not been shown to raise insulin levels so it is not as bad as sucralose.
Stevia also does not raise insulin levels in it's pure form. Most Stevia sold is combined with either Erythritol or Maltodextrin.
All of the above cause gut bacteria changes.
It is the change in gut bacteria that may result in a change in insulin sensitivity.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar-insulin#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3
There are theories on how artificial sweeteners may interfere with this process (6Trusted Source).
1. The sweet taste of artificial sweeteners triggers cephalic phase insulin release, causing a small rise in insulin levels.
2. Regular use changes the balance of our gut bacteria. This could make our cells resistant to the insulin we produce, leading to both increased blood sugar and insulin levels.
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Sucralose is one of the worst ones. It definitely causes an insulin spike like real sugar.
Aspartame has not been shown to raise insulin levels so it is not as bad as sucralose.
Stevia also does not raise insulin levels in it's pure form. Most Stevia sold is combined with either Erythritol or Maltodextrin.
All of the above cause gut bacteria changes.
It is the change in gut bacteria that may result in a change in insulin sensitivity.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar-insulin#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3
There are theories on how artificial sweeteners may interfere with this process (6Trusted Source).
1. The sweet taste of artificial sweeteners triggers cephalic phase insulin release, causing a small rise in insulin levels.
2. Regular use changes the balance of our gut bacteria. This could make our cells resistant to the insulin we produce, leading to both increased blood sugar and insulin levels.
I wonder what the insulin release from artificial sweeteners is compared to the insulin release from dietary protein and fat, which isn't that much compared to dietary carbs.
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2 grams test
1 gram tren
1 gram equipoise
10 d-bol a day
2 anadrol a day
4 in GH per day
Sweetners.......are you fucking crazy?
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Poison Packets Of Peace ;D
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Dr. Eric Westman is the co-founder of HEAL Diabetes Clinic, the first clinic to manage diabetes and obesity with a low-carbohydrate protocol. He is an Associate Professor of Medicine at Duke University and Director of the Lifestyle Medicine Clinic at Duke University Medical Center. He is a leading figure in diabetes and obesity research and has over 90 peer-reviewed publications. Dr. Westman has been conducting clinical research on LCHF/keto for 20 years.
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2 grams test
1 gram tren
1 gram equipoise
10 d-bol a day
2 anadrol a day
4 in GH per day
Sweetners.......are you fucking crazy?
Yeah those sweeteners will kill you. Is that your cycle Jos?
That much tren, eq and drol must be bad for your RBC.
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2 grams test
1 gram tren
1 gram equipoise
10 d-bol a day
2 anadrol a day
4 in GH per day
Sweetners.......are you fucking crazy?
I’d call this a touch of the finishing stack
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2 grams test
1 gram tren
1 gram equipoise
10 d-bol a day
2 anadrol a day
4 in GH per day
Sweetners.......are you fucking crazy?
I mean exactly, so is that extra 15 grams of carbs coming from raw unfiltered honey, organic maple syrup, or just plain old sugar to put in your oats or coffee really a factor?
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I mean exactly, so is that extra 15 grams of carbs coming from raw unfiltered honey, organic maple syrup, or just plain old sugar to put in your oats or coffee really a factor?
Trust me Jeffs not doing those drugs....he`s just being facetious.
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Trust me Jeffs not doing those drugs....he`s just being facetious.
no, thats not my stack
750mgs a week max total.
and not yet, start about 8 weeks out at that
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Trust me Jeffs not doing those drugs....he`s just being facetious.
I'm not referring to Jeff I'm referring to bodybuilders in general, they're slamming rice/potatoes/oats/intraworkout simple carbs all day, but oh no can't have that extra tablespoon of honey in my oats I'm going to get fat, it boggles my mind.
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I'm not referring to Jeff I'm referring to bodybuilders in general, they're slamming rice/potatoes/oats/intraworkout simple carbs all day, but oh no can't have that extra tablespoon of honey in my oats I'm going to get fat, it boggles my mind.
Jay Cutler supposedly drank a regular Coke after training. And it makes sense, you have both glucose and fructose there in the the form if sugar. OTOH he could eat fruit in it's original form and get the micronutrients and fiber too.
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Jay Cutler supposedly drank a regular Coke after training. And it makes sense, you have both glucose and fructose there in the the form if sugar. OTOH he could eat fruit in it's original form and get the micronutrients and fiber too.
There's a "healthy" way to do that without getting that high fructose corn syrup from the coke, can easily just do some orange juice not from concentrate with some unflavored EAA'S in it with a bowl of white rice ideally organic rice from California if you're going to eat rice.
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There's a "healthy" way to do that without getting that high fructose corn syrup from the coke, can easily just do some orange juice not from concentrate with some unflavored EAA'S in it with a bowl of white rice ideally organic rice from California if you're going to eat rice.
Why bother with that when he is taking boatloads of physically harmful drugs?
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Why bother with that when he is taking boatloads of physically harmful drugs?
The dudes from the 70s all took drugs, all haid great hair, skin, never injured, no giant visceral fat guts, everyone could do vacuums, no kidney failure, nobody getting blood work done every month, nobody checking their fasting insulin every morning and then checking their insulin multiple times throughout the day, they all trained twice a day 6 days a week all on no carbs, nobody losing shows because they were constipated, nobody not competing because they got "food poisoning" the night before the show. Diet is everything, gut health is literally everything, these guys ate real food.
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erythritol tastes sweet and. Yes it will f u up if u use it on lots of stuff
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Sounds like BS.
That's because it is! It is one of the "essential" Bio-Identical Sweeteners. ;D
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The dudes from the 70s all took drugs, all haid great hair, skin, never injured, no giant visceral fat guts, everyone could do vacuums, no kidney failure, nobody getting blood work done every month, nobody checking their fasting insulin every morning and then checking their insulin multiple times throughout the day, they all trained twice a day 6 days a week all on no carbs, nobody losing shows because they were constipated, nobody not competing because they got "food poisoning" the night before the show. Diet is everything, gut health is literally everything, these guys ate real food.
Unfortunately your statements about 70s bodybuilders' health is not true.
Many of them had health problems and issues from taking drugs.
I was around in the 70s. Some guys lost their hair. Some guys were covered in acne. Nobody had bloodwork done in those days so they were clueless about blood pressure and liver issues.
It was well known that orals messed up your liver so you only did them a few times a year if you had any brains.
Larry Scott retired because of side effects from D-bol.
Sergio Oliva ate all kinds of junk food most of the time as did the other guys. They cleaned it up pre-contest to get cut.
The top guys went to all-you-can-eat restaurants and stuffed themselves.
They over-ate, drank booze, did meth, etc.
The big difference between 70s and today is that they only used drugs for 6-10 weeks a couple times a year because there were only a few big shows worth entering for the top guys. They retired much younger. Arnold quit competing after 1975 when he was 27 or 28 although he came back in 1980 to promote Conan.
Today they stay on 24/7/365. They carry much more bodyweight. They stay with it much later in life.
It makes sense for today's guys to avoid Erythritol if it makes their blood sticky .
It makes even more sense for them to stop taking drugs.
Eating healthy will likely reduce your risk factors if you are a steroid user but the best way is to stop taking drugs period.
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It was well known that orals messed up your liver so you only did them a few times a year if you had any brains.
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It was "was well known" but ironically the worry about the liver has been overstated. If orals were really really dangerous I would not be alive. I've had liver function tests done after a couple years straight on Anadrol (!) as well as additional orals added in periodically and my enzymes were perfect! Bodybuilders have now found out that the liver isn't usually the problem, it's other stuff. For the first 10 years of my doping career I was almost always on Dianabol.
I doubt Larry quit due to Dianabol. What sides did he get from 10mg in cycles?
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I'm not referring to Jeff I'm referring to bodybuilders in general, they're slamming rice/potatoes/oats/intraworkout simple carbs all day, but oh no can't have that extra tablespoon of honey in my oats I'm going to get fat, it boggles my mind.
I agree bud!
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That's because it is! It is one of the "essential" Bio-Identical Sweeteners. ;D
HA HA HA HA ;D
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It was "was well known" but ironically the worry about the liver has been overstated. If orals were really really dangerous I would not be alive. I've had liver function tests done after a couple years straight on Anadrol (!) as well as additional orals added in periodically and my enzymes were perfect! Bodybuilders have now found out that the liver isn't usually the problem, it's other stuff. For the first 10 years of my doping career I was almost always on Dianabol.
I doubt Larry quit due to Dianabol. What sides did he get from 10mg in cycles?
He was losing his hair and had terrific headaches.
And who said he only took 10mg? BS.
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He was losing his hair and had terrific headaches.
And who said he only took 10mg? BS.
Ok. It still could have been an excuse. Hair loss is hard to pin on just steroids. Everyone who is bald who thinks it's the steroids could be right or could be wrong. For headaches there could be multiple possible causes. Just saying I don't automatically believe someone, especially if they have been self-diagnosing themselves.
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Ok. It still could have been an excuse. Hair loss is hard to pin on just steroids. Everyone who is bald who thinks it's the steroids could be right or could be wrong. For headaches there could be multiple possible causes. Just saying I don't automatically believe someone, especially if they have been self-diagnosing themselves.
Good points.
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Dr. Eric Westman, professor of medicine at Duke University is board certified in Internal Medicine and Obesity Medicine and has a Master’s Degree in clinical research, with over 90 peer-reviewed publications to his name.