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Title: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 03, 2023, 09:41:04 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/in-depth-us-munitions-stockpile-too-low-to-defend-in-war-over-taiwan_5309368.html
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Thin Lizzy on June 03, 2023, 10:14:12 AM
So, they have an 800 billion dollar a year budget and no bullets.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 03, 2023, 10:51:48 AM
So, they have an 800 billion dollar a year budget and no bullets.

Basically, but Zelenskyy is loaded to the hilt
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 03, 2023, 10:59:33 AM
So, they have an 800 billion dollar a year budget and no bullets.

Seriously.  This is just more propaganda to manufacture public consent & support for the military industrial complex. 

If the US military doesn’t have enough “munitions” the solution is not more funding.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 03, 2023, 11:10:59 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/in-depth-us-munitions-stockpile-too-low-to-defend-in-war-over-taiwan_5309368.html


We have more weapons than any other country on the planet like 200 times over.   Stop reading these shit blogs
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 03, 2023, 11:27:35 AM

We have more weapons than any other country on the planet like 200 times over.   Stop reading these shit blogs

Fuck head Biden is depleting our weapons and ammunition. Just because we have more doesn’t mean we keep giving them away. Right now we’re having trouble keeping up with the manufacturing to keep up with what he’s giving away.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: IroNat on June 03, 2023, 12:15:04 PM
I'd put in a big order with Walmart and Amazon.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: oldtimer1 on June 03, 2023, 12:31:31 PM
Democrats always decimate the military. Prior to Trump they didn't have enough ammo to practice. They only qualified.  Say what you want about Trump but he poured money into our military and the puppets that control Biden gave it to the Ukraine. Russia would have never tried to take over the Ukraine under Trump. Now China is gearing up to take over Taiwan because they know how to produce computer chips and China doesn't. China also knows that Biden is weak and will do nothing. No tariffs, military or financially penalty. At the worst they will get a speech he will read from a teleprompter someone wrote for him.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Thin Lizzy on June 03, 2023, 01:18:23 PM
Democrats always decimate the military. Prior to Trump they didn't have enough ammo to practice. They only qualified.  Say what you want about Trump but he poured money into our military and the puppets that control Biden gave it to the Ukraine. Russia would have never tried to take over the Ukraine under Trump. Now China is gearing up to take over Taiwan because they know how to produce computer chips and China doesn't. China also knows that Biden is weak and will do nothing. No tariffs, military or financially penalty. At the worst they will get a speech he will read from a teleprompter someone wrote for him.

The long term data doesn’t support this argument. What the data supports is that the military is like every other part of government:  bloated, corrupt  and inefficient.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: OlympiaGym on June 03, 2023, 01:32:29 PM
The long term data doesn’t support this argument. What the data supports is that the military is like every other part of government:  bloated, corrupt  and inefficient.

This.

F the military. Just another tool of the global elite turning the US into a 3rd-world shithole.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Skeletor on June 03, 2023, 02:12:14 PM

We have more weapons than any other country on the planet like 200 times over.   Stop reading these shit blogs

The situation doesn't seem to be as rosy as you describe Vince.


Ex-NATO Commander Warns U.S. Running Low on Ammo as Ukraine War Drags On

Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe James Stavridis warned on Friday that both the United States and Ukraine are running low on ammunition as Russia's war drags on.

Stavridis wrote in a Bloomberg op-ed published on Friday that Russia and Ukraine are experiencing shortages in ammunition, electronic components, precision-guided weapons and cement amidst the war. The shortages could be exacerbated by issues in the global commercial supply chain, which according to Stavridis, are beginning to "manifest."

Stavridis said that he was "nervous" a decade ago about a potential conflict with Russia, adding that while Western allies have an inventory advantage and capability, Russia has a "competent" industrial base, lots or raw materials, and the labor needed to operate the machines in their factories and foundries. The former NATO commander continued: "While the Department of Defense will continue to protect its own war reserves, the excess armament levels—stockpiled for contingencies beyond basic needs of the US war plans—are very low. And it is not just howitzer rounds: The high performance HIMARS rockets are in short supply as well, for example."

https://www.newsweek.com/united-states-ukraine-running-low-ammo-war-1797432


NATO expected to raise munitions stockpile targets as war depletes reserves

NATO is expected to ask its members to raise its ammunition stockpiles which have been badly depleted by the war in Ukraine, as allies try to put arms supplies to Kyiv and their own militaries on a sustainable footing after a year in crisis mode.

Even before Russia's invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24 last year, many NATO countries fell short of meeting the alliance's stockpiling targets, as officials considered wars of attrition with large-scale artillery battles a thing of the past.

But the pace of deliveries to Ukraine, where Kyiv's troops are firing up to 10,000 artillery shells daily, has drained Western inventories and exposed holes in the efficiency, speed and manpower of supply chains.

"If Europe were to fight Russia, some countries would run out of ammunition in days," a European diplomat told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/nato-expected-raise-munitions-stockpile-targets-war-depletes-reserves-2023-02-13/
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: IroNat on June 03, 2023, 02:21:50 PM
What idiot(s) want a war with Russia?
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Skeletor on June 03, 2023, 02:29:06 PM
What idiot(s) want a war with Russia?

Several.
Couple of prominent ones:

(https://th-i.thgim.com/public/incoming/35l08x/article66442537.ece/alternates/FREE_1200/Senate_US_Ukraine_Russia_12027.jpg) (https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2022/03/2022-03-22T170853Z_1299768709_RC2N7T9PH60V_RTRMADP_3_USA-COURT-JACKSON-1024x688.jpg)
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: residue on June 03, 2023, 04:25:57 PM
The situation doesn't seem to be as rosy as you describe Vince.


Ex-NATO Commander Warns U.S. Running Low on Ammo as Ukraine War Drags On

Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe James Stavridis warned on Friday that both the United States and Ukraine are running low on ammunition as Russia's war drags on.

Stavridis wrote in a Bloomberg op-ed published on Friday that Russia and Ukraine are experiencing shortages in ammunition, electronic components, precision-guided weapons and cement amidst the war. The shortages could be exacerbated by issues in the global commercial supply chain, which according to Stavridis, are beginning to "manifest."

Stavridis said that he was "nervous" a decade ago about a potential conflict with Russia, adding that while Western allies have an inventory advantage and capability, Russia has a "competent" industrial base, lots or raw materials, and the labor needed to operate the machines in their factories and foundries. The former NATO commander continued: "While the Department of Defense will continue to protect its own war reserves, the excess armament levels—stockpiled for contingencies beyond basic needs of the US war plans—are very low. And it is not just howitzer rounds: The high performance HIMARS rockets are in short supply as well, for example."

https://www.newsweek.com/united-states-ukraine-running-low-ammo-war-1797432 (https://www.newsweek.com/united-states-ukraine-running-low-ammo-war-1797432)


NATO expected to raise munitions stockpile targets as war depletes reserves

NATO is expected to ask its members to raise its ammunition stockpiles which have been badly depleted by the war in Ukraine, as allies try to put arms supplies to Kyiv and their own militaries on a sustainable footing after a year in crisis mode.

Even before Russia's invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24 last year, many NATO countries fell short of meeting the alliance's stockpiling targets, as officials considered wars of attrition with large-scale artillery battles a thing of the past.

But the pace of deliveries to Ukraine, where Kyiv's troops are firing up to 10,000 artillery shells daily, has drained Western inventories and exposed holes in the efficiency, speed and manpower of supply chains.

"If Europe were to fight Russia, some countries would run out of ammunition in days," a European diplomat told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/nato-expected-raise-munitions-stockpile-targets-war-depletes-reserves-2023-02-13/ (https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/nato-expected-raise-munitions-stockpile-targets-war-depletes-reserves-2023-02-13/)


No way, are you saying war pigs want more money for their war chests?? What a shocking development
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: benchmstr on June 03, 2023, 04:29:05 PM
Yeah, that’s a load of shit..just trying to raise the taxes.

Bench
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: IroNat on June 03, 2023, 04:38:14 PM
Supposedly, we were sending Ukraine all our old, obsolete weaponry.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 03, 2023, 04:41:27 PM
The long term data doesn’t support this argument. What the data supports is that the military is like every other part of government:  bloated, corrupt  and inefficient.

I don’t think its accurate to blame this on government inefficiencies, given that we supply our armed forces through private defense contractors. 

It’s all a big grift .. MIC lobbyists and donors line the pockets of elected officials, who then go on to increase the defense budget, which results in record profits year after year for the likes of Lockheed Martin et al.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Thin Lizzy on June 03, 2023, 04:53:46 PM
I don’t think its accurate to blame this on government inefficiencies, given that we supply our armed forces through private defense contractors. 

It’s all a big grift .. MIC lobbyists and donors line the pockets of elected officials, who then go on to increase the defense budget, which results in record profits year after year for the likes of Lockheed Martin et al.

It’s inefficient because they don’t have the same incentives that a company in the private sector has   when hiring contractors. Unlike a private company the military can’t go out of business even if it makes horrendous business decisions.

We just witnessed this in Afghanistan. Twenty year war that squandered over a trillion, accomplished nothing and no one held accountable.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: ThisisOverload on June 03, 2023, 06:01:13 PM
It’s inefficient because they don’t have the same incentives that a company in the private sector has   when hiring contractors. Unlike a private company the military can’t go out of business even if it makes horrendous business decisions.

We just witnessed this in Afghanistan. Twenty year war that squandered over a trillion, accomplished nothing and no one held accountable.

It's a big game.

I know an Army lifer at Fort Bliss in El Paso, he's pretty high up in rank.

He told me recently the ammunitions we are sending overseas are reserve stockpiles that don't eat into our actual armory supply.

Said we have more ammunition than we'd ever need stockpiled all over America.

Makes sense, i can't see how the American Military machine would ever allow itself to run low on actual ammunition.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: OneMoreRep on June 03, 2023, 06:03:10 PM
Tons of sugar in his tank...

(https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2022/03/2022-03-22T170853Z_1299768709_RC2N7T9PH60V_RTRMADP_3_USA-COURT-JACKSON-1024x688.jpg)

"1"
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Skeletor on June 03, 2023, 09:34:52 PM
Tons of sugar in his tank...

(https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2022/03/2022-03-22T170853Z_1299768709_RC2N7T9PH60V_RTRMADP_3_USA-COURT-JACKSON-1024x688.jpg)

"1"

He is one of those politicians who tries so hard to be against gays in public but in reality he must be such a perverted rancid poofter that he would make most homosexuals (not the groomers, perverts or trannies) vomit in disgust.

He looks like a middle aged lesbian here:

(https://www.famousbirthdays.com/faces/graham-lindsey-image.jpg)
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: IroNat on June 04, 2023, 03:56:47 AM
He is one of those politicians who tries so hard to be against gays in public but in reality he must be such a perverted rancid poofter that he would make most homosexuals (not the groomers, perverts or trannies) vomit in disgust.

He looks like a middle aged lesbian here:

(https://www.famousbirthdays.com/faces/graham-lindsey-image.jpg)


Most likely.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/55/46/52/5546522300f07657cf8d6db7e705cec2.gif)
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: obsidian on June 04, 2023, 04:56:42 AM

We have more weapons than any other country on the planet like 200 times over.   Stop reading these shit blogs
That's a BS statement. Where's your source? Go look at a map. Russia is a lot bigger than the USA. That means they have more resources to build and make shit. They have more nukes than the US.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: obsidian on June 04, 2023, 04:57:51 AM
He is one of those politicians who tries so hard to be against gays in public but in reality he must be such a perverted rancid poofter that he would make most homosexuals (not the groomers, perverts or trannies) vomit in disgust.

He looks like a middle aged lesbian here:

(https://www.famousbirthdays.com/faces/graham-lindsey-image.jpg)
I wonder what kind of dirt the Deep State has over this tranny?! I nominate Lady Lindsey to go fight Russia at the front lines.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Thin Lizzy on June 04, 2023, 08:24:14 AM
He’s the quintessential slimy politician.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Freemason on June 04, 2023, 10:48:46 AM
That's a BS statement. Where's your source? Go look at a map. Russia is a lot bigger than the USA. That means they have more resources to build and make shit. They have more nukes than the US.

Very inaccurate, but lots of bad info to read online so no judgement on your conclusion.

Most of Russia is barely habitable. They also have very limited access to the ocean. One of the reasons Ukraine is such an important conquest.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: BarbellMD on June 04, 2023, 10:54:52 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/in-depth-us-munitions-stockpile-too-low-to-defend-in-war-over-taiwan_5309368.html

I clicked the link but can't read the article without giving The Epoch Times an email address.

Do you really get your news from a website run by a far right wing chinese cult?
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Gym Rat on June 04, 2023, 11:15:34 AM
I clicked the link but can't read the article without giving The Epoch Times an email address.

Do you really get your news from a website run by a far right wing chinese cult?

Left wing media is owned by lying j00s, so whats the difference??
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: BarbellMD on June 04, 2023, 11:21:00 AM
Left wing media is owned by lying j00s, so whats the difference??

I'm not sure I'm following you here

You're saying lying "joo's" own left wing media

which ones (the joo's and the media)?

Also, if that were true is that justification for getting lies from a website run by a far right wing chinese cult

Is that the only alternative to lying joo's?
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Gym Rat on June 04, 2023, 11:32:05 AM
I'm not sure I'm following you here

You're saying lying "joo's" own left wing media

which ones (the joo's and the media)?

Also, if that were true is that justification for getting lies from a website run by a far right wing chinese cult

Is that the only alternative to lying joo's?

My main point is no matter the news source, its going to lie to you, and lean to the side of which a person belongs...

Left wing media lies 24x7 favoring the left, while right does the same for the right.
Defund Govt, no parties...

Prez should not be part of any party, except the Centrists (though that would be corrupted in like 12 seconds flat)..
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: IroNat on June 04, 2023, 12:17:36 PM
I clicked the link but can't read the article without giving The Epoch Times an email address.

Do you really get your news from a website run by a far right wing chinese cult?

Hi Howard!
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: CT_Muscle on June 04, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
Basically, but Zelenskyy is loaded to the hilt

Will Zelensky protect us?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Mayday on June 04, 2023, 02:04:53 PM

The cost to deploy the military half way across the globe towing its supply chain to fight against the 2nd largest economy probably dwarfs the ammo cost (initially).

I don’t see why drawing down old ammo and equipment is a bad thing. The consideration might be that it’s probably old generation stuff the US wouldn’t want to use themselves anyway.
Title: Re: US Munitions Stockpile Too Low to Defend in War Over Taiwan
Post by: Teutonic Knight on June 04, 2023, 02:16:37 PM
Very inaccurate, but lots of bad info to read online so no judgement on your conclusion.

Most of Russia is barely habitable. They also have very limited access to the ocean. One of the reasons Ukraine is such an important conquest.


Holly f*ck, you can't be that dumb (buy  World Atlas) !.