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Strange how there seems to be no discussion on Getbig regarding Trump's latest dilemma... a 37 count Federal indictment and his upcoming arraignment.
Donald Trump, who turns 77 on Wednesday, touched down in Miami at 2:54 p.m. in a private jet with his name emblazoned on the side. He is expected to appear for his arraignment in federal court tomorrow and he will head back to New Jersey to deliver remarks from his golf club in Bedminster later in the night.
Will the Proud Boy's rally for all Trump supporters to show up for another (January 6th type) event?
Will this be the start of the next civil war?
Will Trump cop a guilty plea in hopes of getting a lighter sentence?
Will Judge Aileen Cannon recuse herself?
Will Trump be able to find an attorney or attorneys to represent him by tomorrow?
Will Lindsey Graham show up in support of Trump at the arraignment?
Did Trump play a round of putt-putt at his Trump International Golf Club today? Will he tomorrow after his indictment?
How many millions has Trump raised in donations for his unpaid and upcoming legal fees?
I tuned in FOX for some answers, but they're not saying anything. Have they abandoned Trump or he them?
There are multitudes of unanswered questions... waiting here with bated breath for some news.
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It will all amount to nothing.
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Not saying we know the outcome, but there's no discussion because we've seen accusations over 1000x with this guy and so far it's been nothing.
And even when it's been disproven, or even shows the accusers to be possibly guilty, nobody admits it.
So why is it discussion worthy this time?
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Not saying we know the outcome, but there's no discussion because we've seen accusations over 1000x with this guy and so far it's been nothing.
And even when it's been disproven, or even shows the accusers to be possibly guilty, nobody admits it.
So why is it discussion worthy this time?
Okay, but my questions have to do with what is happening and not with what might or might not result in Trump's guilt or innocence.
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None of these guys, good or bad, only rarely get found guilty. I’d say it’s a ploy to stain him so he can’t get the Republican nomination. Which is a win win for dems because they know Trump will run as a third party and split the Republican vote and hand the election to Biden. Unless, he does during his root canal.
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Strange how there seems to be no discussion on Getbig regarding Trump's latest dilemma... a 37 count Federal indictment and his upcoming arraignment.
Donald Trump, who turns 77 on Wednesday, touched down in Miami at 2:54 p.m. in a private jet with his name emblazoned on the side. He is expected to appear for his arraignment in federal court tomorrow and he will head back to New Jersey to deliver remarks from his golf club in Bedminster later in the night.
Will the Proud Boy's rally for all Trump supporters to show up for another (January 6th type) event?
Will this be the start of the next civil war?
Will Trump cop a guilty plea in hopes of getting a lighter sentence?
Will Judge Aileen Cannon recuse herself?
Will Trump be able to find an attorney or attorneys to represent him by tomorrow?
Will Lindsey Graham show up in support of Trump at the arraignment?
Did Trump play a round of putt-putt at his Trump International Golf Club today? Will he tomorrow after his indictment?
How many millions has Trump raised in donations for his unpaid and upcoming legal fees?
I tuned in FOX for some answers, but they're not saying anything. Have they abandoned Trump or he them?
There are multitudes of unanswered questions... waiting here with bated breath for some news.
Just like the Jan 6th lie, nobody cares except liberals trying to stop Trump and Biden from debating. :)
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TDS level 100
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Been a HYUGE uptick in the Whataboutisms and Boo Hoo Biden replies lately. Excuse making and deflection isn’t helping. You know what will help the Orange turd? Donations! Make sure you get yours in now. This is the last chance to do so. Until the next grifting email goes out tomorrow.
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Been a HYUGE uptick in the Whataboutisms and Boo Hoo Biden replies lately. Excuse making and deflection isn’t helping. You know what will help the Orange turd? Donations! Make sure you get yours in now. This is the last chance to do so. Until the next grifting email goes out tomorrow.
Getting off by thinking about a man's turd, you vile sick groomer.
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Two weeks ago, a federal judge sentenced Robert Birchum, a former Air Force lieutenant colonel, to three years in jail for removing hundreds of secret documents from their authorized locations and storing them in his home and officer’s quarters.
In April, a judge sentenced Jeremy Brown, a former member of U.S. Special Forces, to more than seven years in prison partly for taking a classified report home with him after he retired. The report contained sensitive intelligence, including about an informant in another country.
In 2018, Nghia Hoang Pho received a five-and-a-half year sentence for storing National Security Agency documents at his home. Prosecutors emphasized that Pho was aware he was not supposed to have taken the documents.
These three recent cases are among dozens in which the Justice Department has charged people with removing classified information from its proper place and trying to conceal their actions. That list includes several former high-ranking officials, like David Petraeus and John Deutch, who each ran the C.I.A.
Now, of course, the list also includes Donald Trump, who was arraigned in a Miami federal courthouse yesterday and pleaded not guilty to 37 charges. Many of which mirror those in the above mentioned cases.
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Two weeks ago, a federal judge sentenced Robert Birchum, a former Air Force lieutenant colonel, to three years in jail for removing hundreds of secret documents from their authorized locations and storing them in his home and officer’s quarters.
In April, a judge sentenced Jeremy Brown, a former member of U.S. Special Forces, to more than seven years in prison partly for taking a classified report home with him after he retired. The report contained sensitive intelligence, including about an informant in another country.
In 2018, Nghia Hoang Pho received a five-and-a-half year sentence for storing National Security Agency documents at his home. Prosecutors emphasized that Pho was aware he was not supposed to have taken the documents.
These three recent cases are among dozens in which the Justice Department has charged people with removing classified information from its proper place and trying to conceal their actions. That list includes several former high-ranking officials, like David Petraeus and John Deutch, who each ran the C.I.A.
Now, of course, the list also includes Donald Trump, who was arraigned in a Miami federal courthouse yesterday and pleaded not guilty to 37 charges. Many of which mirror those in the above mentioned cases.
None of those cases are relevant, because none of those individuals had the powers granted to the POTUS. This includes the sole and unilateral ability to classify and declassify anything and the ability to take his personal records when he leaves office under the Presidential Records Act, regardless of classification.
I think this entire thing will eventually die in the Supreme Court.
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None of those cases are relevant, because none of those individuals had the powers granted to the POTUS. This includes the sole and unilateral ability to classify and declassify anything and the ability to take his personal records when he leaves office under the Presidential Records Act, regardless of classification.
I think this entire thing will eventually die in the Supreme Court.
Can you direct me to the part of Presidential Records Act the gives the POTUS the right to classify and declassify anything (documents) and to take and both keep and refuse to return them upon request of the National Archives.
Correction. You wish "this entire thing" dies in the Supreme Court. That "thing" would be Trump being indicted and arraigned (charged) with more than three dozen charges against the former president for his handling of classified documents and obstruction of justice.
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TT = Trump is 'toast'... at least according to William Barr. This is what happens when you make kiss up friends enemies... they turn on you. Well Mr. Trump, whatever goes around, comes around. Maybe it is time for you to get off the tracks and out of the station.
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Can you direct me to the part of Presidential Records Act the gives the POTUS the right to classify and declassify anything (documents) and to take and both keep and refuse to return them upon request of the National Archives.
Correction. You wish "this entire thing" dies in the Supreme Court. That "thing" would be Trump being indicted and arraigned (charged) with more than three dozen charges against the former president for his handling of classified documents and obstruction of justice.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-clinton-sock-drawer-audio-tape-case-exonerates-pres-trump/
“Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said a couple of very important things,” said Farrell. “That the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. “
“No one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the president elects to take with him, In her ruling, Jackson wrote that “the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: ‘[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.’”
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-08/memorandum%20opinion.pdf
Just to reiterate from prior posts….everything you see going on with Trump serves two purposes.
1. To get him to not run and out of politics for good
2. And this is the reason why this takes priority….to distract from the Biden Crime syndicate
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Ask a simple question and instead get bullshit answers. Hillary sock drawer. ::)
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Ask a simple question and instead get bullshit answers. Hillary sock drawer. ::)
“Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said a couple of very important things,” said Farrell. “That the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. “
“No one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the president elects to take with him, In her ruling, Jackson wrote that “the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: ‘[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.’”
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TT = Trump is 'toast'... at least according to William Barr. This is what happens when you make kiss up friends enemies... they turn on you. Well Mr. Trump, whatever goes around, comes around. Maybe it is time for you to get off the tracks and out of the station.
Suddenly when Barr supports your ideology, he becomes credible?
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“Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said a couple of very important things,” said Farrell. “That the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. “
“No one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the president elects to take with him, In her ruling, Jackson wrote that “the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: ‘[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.’”
Once a president is out of office the record immediately become the property of NARA. Non disputable.
Saying otherwise is bullshit.
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“Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said a couple of very important things,” said Farrell. “That the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. “
“No one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the president elects to take with him, In her ruling, Jackson wrote that “the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: ‘[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.’”
I wonder if this applies to vice presidents who steal documents then store them in the garage of the house where his drug addict son and his drug addict prostitute friends are hanging out? Oh wait...that was a democrat that did that, nothing to see here, he gave some of them back. ::)
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I wonder if this applies to vice presidents who steal documents then store them in the garage of the house where his drug addict son and his drug addict prostitute friends are hanging out? Oh wait...that was a democrat that did that, nothing to see here, he gave some of them back. ::)
If the Orange turd had given his back, he wouldn't be in the current situation he finds himself in. It's all his own fault. LOL
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Strange how there seems to be no discussion on Getbig regarding Trump's latest dilemma... a 37 count Federal indictment and his upcoming arraignment.
Donald Trump, who turns 77 on Wednesday, touched down in Miami at 2:54 p.m. in a private jet with his name emblazoned on the side. He is expected to appear for his arraignment in federal court tomorrow and he will head back to New Jersey to deliver remarks from his golf club in Bedminster later in the night.
Will the Proud Boy's rally for all Trump supporters to show up for another (January 6th type) event?
Will this be the start of the next civil war?
Will Trump cop a guilty plea in hopes of getting a lighter sentence?
Will Judge Aileen Cannon recuse herself?
Will Trump be able to find an attorney or attorneys to represent him by tomorrow?
Will Lindsey Graham show up in support of Trump at the arraignment?
Did Trump play a round of putt-putt at his Trump International Golf Club today? Will he tomorrow after his indictment?
How many millions has Trump raised in donations for his unpaid and upcoming legal fees?
I tuned in FOX for some answers, but they're not saying anything. Have they abandoned Trump or he them?
There are multitudes of unanswered questions... waiting here with bated breath for some news.
Strange how all of Bidens crimes are ignored, huh cokk-sukkah??
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https://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-clinton-sock-drawer-audio-tape-case-exonerates-pres-trump/
“Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said a couple of very important things,” said Farrell. “That the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. “
“No one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the president elects to take with him, In her ruling, Jackson wrote that “the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: ‘[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.’”
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-08/memorandum%20opinion.pdf
Just to reiterate from prior posts….everything you see going on with Trump serves two purposes.
1. To get him to not run and out of politics for good
2. And this is the reason why this takes priority….to distract from the Biden Crime syndicate
Note: Judge Jackson was speaking to disposing documents not stealing them. Also, if neither the Archivist nor Congress can veto the President's disposal decision, why would the President need to notify the Archivist at all? ...does not follow.
Note: there is a huge difference between these two situations. In “Clinton sock drawer” case. Former President Bill Clinton created White House audio tapes with historian Taylor Branch and stored them in his sock drawer.
You would serve yourself well to read The National Archives FAQs and not various opinions from others (including Judges and folks like Chris Farrell, a journalist and Director of Investigations at Judicial Watch. (Judicial Watch is an American conservative activist group that files Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to investigate claimed misconduct by government officials. Founded in 1994, JW has primarily targeted Democrats, in particular Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and the administration of Barack Obama.) Seriously Coach, consider the source. Opinions are not laws... specially not Farrell's bias opinions.
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/faqs
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/faqs#may-i-take-cnss-home
Are there any circumstances when I might be allowed to take classified documents home with me?
No. Classified material must be safeguarded in accordance with the requirements in E.O. 13526, Part 4, Safeguarding; and 32 CFR 2001, Subpart E, Safeguarding.
You must not remove classified material from official premises except to conduct official meetings or conferences, and the material must be returned to safe storage facilities immediately upon the conclusion of the meeting or conference. Residences are not considered official premises, and you must not remove classified material for reasons of personal convenience or keep it overnight in personal custody.
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Oh no!!! This just doesn't play nice with the Trumpy and Trumpturds excuses and delusions.
Hahhahaaha. You know there is a reason that his defense attorneys have never even claimed he declassified ANYTHING that was found.
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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+lacked+power+to+declassify+secret+nuclear+arms+document%2C+experts+say
Trump lacked power to declassify secret nuclear arms document, experts say.
Even when he was president, Donald Trump lacked the legal authority to declassify a U.S. nuclear weapons-related document that he is charged with illegally possessing, security experts said, contrary to the former U.S. president’s claim.
The secret document, listed as No. 19 in the indictment charging Trump with endangering national security, can under the Atomic Energy Act only be declassified through a process that by the statute involves the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense.
For that reason, the experts said, the nuclear document is unique among the 31 in the indictment because the declassification of the others is governed by executive order.
“The claim that he (Trump) could have declassified it is not relevant in the case of the nuclear weapons information because it was not classified by executive order but by law.”
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Oh no!!! This just doesn't play nice with the Trumpy and Trumpturds excuses and delusions.
Hahhahaaha. You know there is a reason that his defense attorneys have never even claimed he declassified ANYTHING that was found.
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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+lacked+power+to+declassify+secret+nuclear+arms+document%2C+experts+say
Trump lacked power to declassify secret nuclear arms document, experts say.
Even when he was president, Donald Trump lacked the legal authority to declassify a U.S. nuclear weapons-related document that he is charged with illegally possessing, security experts said, contrary to the former U.S. president’s claim.
The secret document, listed as No. 19 in the indictment charging Trump with endangering national security, can under the Atomic Energy Act only be declassified through a process that by the statute involves the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense.
For that reason, the experts said, the nuclear document is unique among the 31 in the indictment because the declassification of the others is governed by executive order.
“The claim that he (Trump) could have declassified it is not relevant in the case of the nuclear weapons information because it was not classified by executive order but by law.”
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Trumpy ?? you write like a child -this is not a grooming site freak !
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What good for the goose...
Shitters docs were in his garage, with crack-heads lying around, parties, etc.
If ones arrested, so should the shitter. 2 wrongs...
When a party weaponizes, in the long run, its horrible for us all. Liked armed IRS agents raiding gun-stores.
Wny not just request the paperwork? The need to send armed men, and a chance something bad could happen.
(20 armed IRS agents raid US gun store for owner records).
Commie Venezuela, here we come. One party thought all was good, and then, all the people suffered very badly.
It all started like this w/ weaponization. The folks cheering it on, will be changing their mind one day. (Unless the libz lose next election).
LIbs should be very worried, like everyone else w/ a brain and who love freedom...
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Note: Judge Jackson was speaking to disposing documents not stealing them. Also, if neither the Archivist nor Congress can veto the President's disposal decision, why would the President need to notify the Archivist at all? ...does not follow.
Note: there is a huge difference between these two situations. In “Clinton sock drawer” case. Former President Bill Clinton created White House audio tapes with historian Taylor Branch and stored them in his sock drawer.
You would serve yourself well to read The National Archives FAQs and not various opinions from others (including Judges and folks like Chris Farrell, a journalist and Director of Investigations at Judicial Watch. (Judicial Watch is an American conservative activist group that files Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to investigate claimed misconduct by government officials. Founded in 1994, JW has primarily targeted Democrats, in particular Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and the administration of Barack Obama.) Seriously Coach, consider the source. Opinions are not laws... specially not Farrell's bias opinions.
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/faqs
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/faqs#may-i-take-cnss-home
Are there any circumstances when I might be allowed to take classified documents home with me?
No. Classified material must be safeguarded in accordance with the requirements in E.O. 13526, Part 4, Safeguarding; and 32 CFR 2001, Subpart E, Safeguarding.
You must not remove classified material from official premises except to conduct official meetings or conferences, and the material must be returned to safe storage facilities immediately upon the conclusion of the meeting or conference. Residences are not considered official premises, and you must not remove classified material for reasons of personal convenience or keep it overnight in personal custody.
Now apply that to a POTUS.