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Hahahaha Some loyalty. Trumpy fired people from his cabinet almost weekly. I would get up in the mornings and read the news because I knew Trumpy would surely be firing some poor guy who refused to kiss his ring and lie for him. So now, I really can't remember who his cabinet members were.
4 out of 44. Less than 10%
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Dozens served in Trump’s Cabinet. Four say he should be re-elected.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Dozens+served+in+Trump%E2%80%99s+Cabinet.+Four+say+he+should+be+re-elected.
Donald Trump may have put them in the most powerful and prestigious jobs many will ever hold, but few who worked in his Cabinet are rushing to endorse him in his bid to return to the White House.
NBC News reached out to 44 of the dozens of people who served in Trump's Cabinet over his term in office. Most declined to comment or ignored the requests. A total of four have said publicly they support his run for re-election. Several have been coy about where they stand, stopping short of endorsing Trump with the GOP primary race underway. Then there are those who outright oppose his bid for the GOP nomination or are adamant that they don't want him back in power.
“I have made clear that I strongly oppose Trump for the nomination and will not endorse Trump,” former Attorney General Bill Barr told NBC News. Asked how he would vote if the general election pits Trump against President Joe Biden, a Democrat, Barr said: “I’ll jump off that bridge when I get to it.”
The Trump campaign declined to comment beyond pointing to three former Cabinet members as people to contact — one of whom has endorsed Trump and two others who, when asked, didn't commit to endorsing him at this time.
A president’s Cabinet gets a unique window into his priorities, temperament and managerial style. Tasked with running the administration day-to-day, Cabinet members see first-hand the impact of policies he touted on the campaign trail and put forward in office. They sit with him in regular meetings at the White House, listen to him vent and act as surrogates, crisscrossing the country to amplify his message.
As president, Trump for the most part didn’t seem to either prize or develop the reciprocal loyalty that might have turned his Cabinet into a campaign asset that would help validate his contention that his was a hugely successful presidency.
"They’re not friends; they’re not hanging on forever," Barbara Perry, director of presidential studies at the University of Virginia's Miller Center, said of Trump's Cabinet members. "They’re going to skip out, or he’s going to push them out in some instances."
Those backing Trump's bid for another term include former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker; Mark Meadows, his final chief of staff; former budget chief Russell Vought; and former acting director of national intelligence Richard Grenell, who in June tweeted "Trump 2024" above a tweet from Trump's main GOP rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.
A spokesman for Meadows said he “fully” supports Trump, while Vought tweeted in May that Trump “is the only person I trust to take a wrecking ball to the Deep State.”
“I’ve seen his willingness up close & behind closed doors,” Vought added. “My friend & former boss is going to finish what he started.”
Linda McMahon, the former head of the Small Business Administration, now chairs the board of the America First Policy Institute, a conservative think tank staffed by a number of Trump allies and former administration officials. McMahon, through an institute spokesman, did not respond to NBC News’s inquiry about whom she plans to endorse.
The upper reaches of Trump’s government were something of a revolving door during his four-year term. In some cases, he jettisoned Cabinet members he deemed disloyal or incompetent; in others, the Cabinet members left him over policy disputes. Two resigned at the bitter end in disapproval of his actions during the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.
A Brookings Institution analysis of Cabinet members directly in the presidential line of succession showed that turnover in Trump’s final year in office — when he was running for re-election — dwarfed that of every president since Ronald Reagan.
Those who’ve not endorsed Trump at this point include his former secretary of state and CIA director, Mike Pompeo; two of his former defense secretaries, Mark Esper and Pat Shanahan; one former chief of staff, John Kelly; and two of his directors of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire and Dan Coats.
Another former chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, is among those who wants Trump defeated in the GOP primaries.
“I am working hard to make sure that someone else is the nominee,” Mulvaney said. “I think he’s the Republican who is most likely to lose in a general election, of all our leading candidates. If anyone can lose to Joe Biden, it would be him.”
Two former Cabinet members are now running against Trump for the GOP presidential nomination: former Vice President Mike Pence, and Nikki Haley, who served as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.
Coats said he is backing Pence.
"I think he has all the qualities to be a great president," said Coats, a former Republican senator from Pence's home state of Indiana. "I know it's a steep climb for him, but I think the steps he has taken now show the integrity of who he is and his qualifications."
A number of Cabinet members contacted by NBC News either declined comment or did not respond. That in itself is a source of frustration for some anti-Trump advocates, who would like to see more people who've worked closely with Trump speak candidly about the experience.
"Incredibly, this guy [Trump] and this movement are not just alive, they’re thriving," said Miles Taylor, a former Trump administration official and fierce critic of the ex-president. "And that is really alarming to me. There’s an obligation for folks to paint a clear-eyed picture of what this means."
In some cases, former officials publicly broke with Trump years ago, and there has been no sign that relations have thawed.
Elaine Chao, Trump’s former transportation secretary, resigned in the wake of the Jan. 6 riot. Trump has derisively referred to her as “Coco Chao” and she, in turn, has condemned his rhetoric.
"When I was young, some people deliberately misspelled or mispronounced my name," Chao has said. "Asian Americans have worked hard to change that experience for the next generation. He doesn’t seem to understand that, which says a whole lot more about him than it will ever say about Asian Americans."
Through a spokesman, Chao did not respond to requests for comment. She is married to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. When NBC News asked McConnell in the Capitol last week if his wife would weigh in on the 2024 presidential race, he listened to the question, smiled and then walked onto the Senate floor without answering.
Rex Tillerson, a former secretary of state, declined comment through a spokeswoman. He ran afoul of Trump early in the term. In a meeting in the summer of 2017, Tillerson privately referred to Trump as a “moron,” NBC News reported at the time. Trump ousted Tillerson the following year.
James Mattis, Trump’s first defense secretary, has been searing in his criticism of his former boss, though he declined to comment when asked if he supports Trump’s candidacy. In a statement to Politico after the Jan. 6 attack, Mattis said that the U.S. would overcome “this stain,” while Trump “will deservedly be left a man without a country.” (As for Trump, he’s described Mattis as “the world’s most overrated general.”)
A few ex-Cabinet members have publicly spoken of Trump in admiring terms, though they haven’t gone so far as to endorse his presidential bid.
“There are probably some uneasy with what they saw,” said Julian Zelizer, a history professor at Princeton University. “But for many others, especially given the DeSantis factor, they are hedging their bets,” he added, referring to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s struggling campaign. “They are waiting to see how the field unfolds before jumping behind one campaign. The lack of stability in this primary — especially with Trump’s legal problems — will result in caution.”
Ben Carson, Trump’s former housing director, said in a statement to NBC that “Donald Trump is my friend and would make a fantastic president, and if I have an announcement to make about 2024, I’ll look forward to doing so in an appropriate way.”
Ryan Zinke, who served as Trump’s interior secretary and now is a Republican congressman from Montana, did not directly answer when asked by NBC News if he is endorsing Trump. He said his focus now is on Congress.
“I think the president is on glide slope right now, but he’s got some hurdles,” Zinke said of Trump. “From an individual who worked for him, I know he’s tough. They’re throwing everything at him, and he’s got some significant hurdles ahead. I take the indictment seriously, I think everyone should. So he’s got some tough hurdles before him, but I tell you what, there’s only one Donald J. Trump.”
Kelly Craft, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, could not be reached for comment. In her unsuccessful campaign for governor of Kentucky this year, Trump endorsed her rival for the Republican nomination, Daniel Cameron.
Craft highlighted her ties to Trump during the campaign. Yet she has made a campaign donation to at least one of Trump’s rivals — Pence, whose campaign said it had gotten a donation from Craft. Federal campaign finance records show the amount to be $6,600.
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Hahahaha Some loyalty. Trumpy fired people from his cabinet almost weekly. I would get up in the mornings and read the news because I knew Trumpy would surely be firing some poor guy who refused to kiss his ring and lie for him. So now, I really can't remember who his cabinet members were.
4 out of 44. Less than 10%
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Dozens served in Trump’s Cabinet. Four say he should be re-elected.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Dozens+served+in+Trump%E2%80%99s+Cabinet.+Four+say+he+should+be+re-elected.
Donald Trump may have put them in the most powerful and prestigious jobs many will ever hold, but few who worked in his Cabinet are rushing to endorse him in his bid to return to the White House.
NBC News reached out to 44 of the dozens of people who served in Trump's Cabinet over his term in office. Most declined to comment or ignored the requests. A total of four have said publicly they support his run for re-election. Several have been coy about where they stand, stopping short of endorsing Trump with the GOP primary race underway. Then there are those who outright oppose his bid for the GOP nomination or are adamant that they don't want him back in power.
“I have made clear that I strongly oppose Trump for the nomination and will not endorse Trump,” former Attorney General Bill Barr told NBC News. Asked how he would vote if the general election pits Trump against President Joe Biden, a Democrat, Barr said: “I’ll jump off that bridge when I get to it.”
The Trump campaign declined to comment beyond pointing to three former Cabinet members as people to contact — one of whom has endorsed Trump and two others who, when asked, didn't commit to endorsing him at this time.
A president’s Cabinet gets a unique window into his priorities, temperament and managerial style. Tasked with running the administration day-to-day, Cabinet members see first-hand the impact of policies he touted on the campaign trail and put forward in office. They sit with him in regular meetings at the White House, listen to him vent and act as surrogates, crisscrossing the country to amplify his message.
As president, Trump for the most part didn’t seem to either prize or develop the reciprocal loyalty that might have turned his Cabinet into a campaign asset that would help validate his contention that his was a hugely successful presidency.
"They’re not friends; they’re not hanging on forever," Barbara Perry, director of presidential studies at the University of Virginia's Miller Center, said of Trump's Cabinet members. "They’re going to skip out, or he’s going to push them out in some instances."
Those backing Trump's bid for another term include former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker; Mark Meadows, his final chief of staff; former budget chief Russell Vought; and former acting director of national intelligence Richard Grenell, who in June tweeted "Trump 2024" above a tweet from Trump's main GOP rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.
A spokesman for Meadows said he “fully” supports Trump, while Vought tweeted in May that Trump “is the only person I trust to take a wrecking ball to the Deep State.”
“I’ve seen his willingness up close & behind closed doors,” Vought added. “My friend & former boss is going to finish what he started.”
Linda McMahon, the former head of the Small Business Administration, now chairs the board of the America First Policy Institute, a conservative think tank staffed by a number of Trump allies and former administration officials. McMahon, through an institute spokesman, did not respond to NBC News’s inquiry about whom she plans to endorse.
The upper reaches of Trump’s government were something of a revolving door during his four-year term. In some cases, he jettisoned Cabinet members he deemed disloyal or incompetent; in others, the Cabinet members left him over policy disputes. Two resigned at the bitter end in disapproval of his actions during the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.
A Brookings Institution analysis of Cabinet members directly in the presidential line of succession showed that turnover in Trump’s final year in office — when he was running for re-election — dwarfed that of every president since Ronald Reagan.
Those who’ve not endorsed Trump at this point include his former secretary of state and CIA director, Mike Pompeo; two of his former defense secretaries, Mark Esper and Pat Shanahan; one former chief of staff, John Kelly; and two of his directors of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire and Dan Coats.
Another former chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, is among those who wants Trump defeated in the GOP primaries.
“I am working hard to make sure that someone else is the nominee,” Mulvaney said. “I think he’s the Republican who is most likely to lose in a general election, of all our leading candidates. If anyone can lose to Joe Biden, it would be him.”
Two former Cabinet members are now running against Trump for the GOP presidential nomination: former Vice President Mike Pence, and Nikki Haley, who served as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.
Coats said he is backing Pence.
"I think he has all the qualities to be a great president," said Coats, a former Republican senator from Pence's home state of Indiana. "I know it's a steep climb for him, but I think the steps he has taken now show the integrity of who he is and his qualifications."
A number of Cabinet members contacted by NBC News either declined comment or did not respond. That in itself is a source of frustration for some anti-Trump advocates, who would like to see more people who've worked closely with Trump speak candidly about the experience.
"Incredibly, this guy [Trump] and this movement are not just alive, they’re thriving," said Miles Taylor, a former Trump administration official and fierce critic of the ex-president. "And that is really alarming to me. There’s an obligation for folks to paint a clear-eyed picture of what this means."
In some cases, former officials publicly broke with Trump years ago, and there has been no sign that relations have thawed.
Elaine Chao, Trump’s former transportation secretary, resigned in the wake of the Jan. 6 riot. Trump has derisively referred to her as “Coco Chao” and she, in turn, has condemned his rhetoric.
"When I was young, some people deliberately misspelled or mispronounced my name," Chao has said. "Asian Americans have worked hard to change that experience for the next generation. He doesn’t seem to understand that, which says a whole lot more about him than it will ever say about Asian Americans."
Through a spokesman, Chao did not respond to requests for comment. She is married to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. When NBC News asked McConnell in the Capitol last week if his wife would weigh in on the 2024 presidential race, he listened to the question, smiled and then walked onto the Senate floor without answering.
Rex Tillerson, a former secretary of state, declined comment through a spokeswoman. He ran afoul of Trump early in the term. In a meeting in the summer of 2017, Tillerson privately referred to Trump as a “moron,” NBC News reported at the time. Trump ousted Tillerson the following year.
James Mattis, Trump’s first defense secretary, has been searing in his criticism of his former boss, though he declined to comment when asked if he supports Trump’s candidacy. In a statement to Politico after the Jan. 6 attack, Mattis said that the U.S. would overcome “this stain,” while Trump “will deservedly be left a man without a country.” (As for Trump, he’s described Mattis as “the world’s most overrated general.”)
A few ex-Cabinet members have publicly spoken of Trump in admiring terms, though they haven’t gone so far as to endorse his presidential bid.
“There are probably some uneasy with what they saw,” said Julian Zelizer, a history professor at Princeton University. “But for many others, especially given the DeSantis factor, they are hedging their bets,” he added, referring to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s struggling campaign. “They are waiting to see how the field unfolds before jumping behind one campaign. The lack of stability in this primary — especially with Trump’s legal problems — will result in caution.”
Ben Carson, Trump’s former housing director, said in a statement to NBC that “Donald Trump is my friend and would make a fantastic president, and if I have an announcement to make about 2024, I’ll look forward to doing so in an appropriate way.”
Ryan Zinke, who served as Trump’s interior secretary and now is a Republican congressman from Montana, did not directly answer when asked by NBC News if he is endorsing Trump. He said his focus now is on Congress.
“I think the president is on glide slope right now, but he’s got some hurdles,” Zinke said of Trump. “From an individual who worked for him, I know he’s tough. They’re throwing everything at him, and he’s got some significant hurdles ahead. I take the indictment seriously, I think everyone should. So he’s got some tough hurdles before him, but I tell you what, there’s only one Donald J. Trump.”
Kelly Craft, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, could not be reached for comment. In her unsuccessful campaign for governor of Kentucky this year, Trump endorsed her rival for the Republican nomination, Daniel Cameron.
Craft highlighted her ties to Trump during the campaign. Yet she has made a campaign donation to at least one of Trump’s rivals — Pence, whose campaign said it had gotten a donation from Craft. Federal campaign finance records show the amount to be $6,600.
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All kidding aside, lurker has to be more obsessed with Trump than all media outlets put together. I can't decide if his behavior is pathetic or if we should be concerned for Trumps safety. I wonder if there was a detective on the board if that detective would suggest Trump get a restraining order against Tom "Lurker"
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All kidding aside, chaos has to be more triggered by facts being posted about Trumpy, a politician, in the current political news cycle, on an internet political forum than all little Trumpturdian media outlets put together. I can't decide if his behavior is pathetic or just projective. I wonder if there was a detective on board if that detective would suggest Fetter "chaos" to look into seeking psychiatric help for his nonstop TDfS affliction.
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All kidding aside, chaos has to be more triggered by facts being posted about Trumpy, a politician, in the current political news cycle, on an internet political forum than all little Trumpturdian media outlets put together. I can't decide if his behavior is pathetic or just projective. I wonder if there was a detective on board if that detective would suggest Fetter "chaos" to look into seeking psychiatric help for his nonstop TDfS affliction.
You really should take a step back and look at your life choices.
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Trump ist könig!
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You really should take a step back and look at your life choices.
All I need to do is look at yours and know I am doing pretty damn good otherwise.
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All kidding aside, lurker has to be more obsessed with Trump than all media outlets put together. I can't decide if his behavior is pathetic or if we should be concerned for Trumps safety. I wonder if there was a detective on the board if that detective would suggest Trump get a restraining order against Tom "Lurker"
Saying lurker is mentally fucked in the head would be a gross understatement. I say this with all sincerity and no exaggeration
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Safe to say Trumps picks aren’t mentally Ill pedos, drug addicts and thieves that steal women’s clothes…and Biden’s base still supports them
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Saying lurker is mentally fucked in the head would be a gross understatement. I say this with all sincerity and no exaggeration
Funny how we see that everything you see is always the opposite of reality. ::)
Then again, midgets aren't usually known for their grasp of facts and common sense.
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Safe to say Trumps picks aren’t mentally Ill pedos, drug addicts and thieves that steal women’s clothes…and Biden’s base still supports them
Says the supporter of Rudy and Santos. ::)
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Hahahahah he admits 90% of his hires were bullshit and just terrible.
He really did drain the swamp by hiring idiots that ended up indicted. :D
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Trump Cooks Up Defense For Hiring People He Later Deemed 'Weak' And 'Incompetent'
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+Cooks+Up+Defense+For+Hiring+People+He+Later+Deemed+%27Weak%27+And+%27Incompetent%27
Former President Donald Trump name-dropped his “weak” and “incompetent” hires as Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo pressed him to explain why he put them in his administration.
Trump, who pledged during his 2016 campaign to surround himself with “the best people,” called ex-Attorney General William Barr “weak and pathetic” and former Secretary of Defense Mark Esper “incompetent.” Bartiromo asked him to explain.
“You know, most people were good but I had some people ... I thought we had other people I didn’t like,” said Trump.
“Why did you put them in the job then?” asked Bartiromo of Barr, Esper and former Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
Trump claimed he “didn’t know the people” in Washington.
“I know the people now better than anybody has ever known. The people I know, the good ones, the bad ones, the dumb ones, the smart ones,” said Trump.
Bartiromo stopped him. “You didn’t drain the swamp like you said you would,” she said, “You didn’t drain the swamp.”
“I did, I fired [former FBI director James] Comey, I fired a lot of people. A lot of the people I had, I fired,” Trump replied.
Bartiromo isn’t the first Fox News personality to confront Trump on his 2016 hiring pledge.
Trump, in an interview with Fox’s Bret Baier in June, claimed one of every 10 of his hires were “fantastic” after the host listed former Trump job holders who haven’t backed his 2024 campaign.
Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christiehas knocked Trump’s hiring skills as well.
“It’s plain and simple: Either Donald Trump doesn’t know how to pick personnel, or he’s the worst manager in the history of the American presidency,” Christie wrote in a tweet.
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All kidding aside, lurker has to be more obsessed with Trump than all media outlets put together. I can't decide if his behavior is pathetic or if we should be concerned for Trumps safety. I wonder if there was a detective on the board if that detective would suggest Trump get a restraining order against Tom "Lurker"
Pedo support Lurking for Boys
Talking to his Mum.
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What did they hate so much
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I'm Foreign, Not US based , I'm 63, & 5ft6 and I post on an American forum
About American politics & Politicians 😊
And it sure as hell makes homo Pedo supporter Scream & Cry - 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
He she is in full Meltdown. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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Says the supporter of Rudy and Santos. ::)
Never said I supported Santos. Rudy, I support
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Never said I supported Santos. Rudy, I support
Your party does. "You voted for this."
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I'm Foreign, Not US based , I'm 63, & 5ft6 and I post on an American forum
About American politics & Politicians 😊
And it sure as hell makes homo Pedo supporter Scream & Cry - 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
He she is in full Meltdown. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
You wouldn't be 5'6" even with your lifts in your shoes you liar.
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Your party does. "You voted for this."
Wrong again, dippy. He’s an NY rep. But I will say Biden makes him look like Mother Theresa
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Never said I supported Santos. Rudy, I support
What is it about Rudy you support? Seriously... 10-20 years ago, it would be a silly question but now... in the last 3 years? If he is legally mentally competent I would be surprised.. what is it about him that you support?
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What is it about Rudy you support? Seriously... 10-20 years ago, it would be a silly question but now... in the last 3 years? If he is legally mentally competent I would be surprised.. what is it about him that you support?
What & Pedo Pete & that other retard ( who's name escapes me 🤦🏻♂️) are totally mentally
Competent?? What is it about them that you support.
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What & Pedo Pete & that other retard ( who's name escapes me 🤦🏻♂️) are totally mentally
Competent?? What is it about them that you support.
we can discuss anything you want at another time. you may not realize your are creating a rabbit trail that derails the conversation.. but you are. And I think I have answered your question about Biden more than once.. so I do wonder why you would repost it here?
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we can discuss anything you want at another time. you may not realize your are creating a rabbit trail that derails the conversation.. but you are. And I think I have answered your question about Biden more than once.. so I do wonder why you would repost it here?
Because you're questioning the mental competance of another politician
That you clearly dislike/ have reservations about .
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Because you're questioning the mental competance of another politician
That you clearly dislike/ have reservations about .
Disregard my inquiry. I saw your response on the AOC picture. I see where this might be coming from.
I am not the only one who questions Rudy's competence. A simple search would reveal it is a common concern. Like Mitch McConnel likely having a stroke when he stops talking.
I despise Guliani.. but I didn't create this..
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/disciplinary-panel-recommends-giuliani-disbarred-2020-lawsuit-rcna93145
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/15/d-c-bar-giuliani-attorney-overturn-2020-election-00074117
So I'm asking coach what he admires about the guy other than backing Trump when the facts were overwhelming he lost.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-georgia-2020-election-workers-false-statements/
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Disregard my inquiry. I saw your response on the AOC picture. I see where this might be coming from.
I am not the only one who questions Rudy's competence. A simple search would reveal it is a common concern. Like Mitch McConnel likely having a stroke when he stops talking.
I despise Guliani.. but I didn't create this..
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/disciplinary-panel-recommends-giuliani-disbarred-2020-lawsuit-rcna93145
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/15/d-c-bar-giuliani-attorney-overturn-2020-election-00074117
So I'm asking coach what he admires about the guy other than backing Trump when the facts were overwhelming he lost.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-georgia-2020-election-workers-false-statements/
I honestly don't think you have any idea what / where this is coming from.
I'm just reversing the question to you about not just a politician but you Presidents
Mental state & Behaviour.
So what if you've addressed it previously...... and?
Many subjects are repeatedly addressed on here.
No, you just want it your way & not listen / open your mind to others.
I'm sure if you addressed UK politics & politicians you'd likely have a different
View to me & perhaps an uncluttered view as you're not living over here.
Try stepping far back & look at whats going on - instead of having your nose
Pressed to the grindstone.
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I honestly don't think you have any idea what / where this is coming from.
I'm just reversing the question to you about not just a politician but you Presidents
Mental state & Behaviour.
So what if you've addressed it previously...... and?
Many subjects are repeatedly addressed on here.
No, you just want it your way & not listen / open your mind to others.
I'm sure if you addressed UK politics & politicians you'd likely have a different
View to me & perhaps an uncluttered view as you're not living over here.
Try stepping far back & look at whats going on - instead of having your nose
Pressed to the grindstone.
1. "Pedo Biden" is just lame. "Creepy Joe"? ok. If you stick with Pedo Biden then Rapist Trump is just as reasonable. One was actually tried for it.
2. I don't care one iota about UK politics. I think King and Queen at this point is outdated but none of my business
3. Not a fan of Bidens, at all. Shouldn't have been a candidate but he was. Trump shouldn't have been a candidate but he was. Gun to head, Biden was and is a better choice than Trump. Sad those are the two choices in this country
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1. "Pedo Biden" is just lame. "Creepy Joe"? ok. If you stick with Pedo Biden then Rapist Trump is just as reasonable. One was actually tried for it.
2. I don't care one iota about UK politics. I think King and Queen at this point is outdated but none of my business
3. Not a fan of Bidens, at all. Shouldn't have been a candidate but he was. Trump shouldn't have been a candidate but he was. Gun to head, Biden was and is a better choice than Trump. Sad those are the two choices in this country
Pedo Pete is his Nick name & just as fitting as creepy Joe.
call orange man bad whatever you wish. was he Convicted ?
as many are accused of all sorts of things & found not guilty or doesn't that matter to you ?
Fair enough , I'm hacked off about the awful state of UK politics , most clearly WEF puppets
& need shooting.
Same goes for the sponging german family - all tied in with Pedo's & weirdo's
They need eliminating also.
Biden's a criminal scumbag in my opinion & he'll likely be saved from prosecution
by his Dementia - just a complete & utter stumbling / bumbling puppet at this point.
Trump best President america's had in a very long time. ;D
Being hounded a persecuted by MSM & Touchy feely loony leftists because they don't
like what he say's & how he say's it. Fuck them , they're their own worst enemy.
He speaks to much Truth for them so as usual they want to silence anyone who does.
Sure he's said & done a few things not right. Who hasn't.
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Pedo Pete is his Nick name & just as fitting as creepy Joe.
call orange man bad whatever you wish. was he Convicted ?
as many are accused of all sorts of things & found not guilty or doesn't that matter to you ?
Fair enough , I'm hacked off about the awful state of UK politics , most clearly WEF puppets
& need shooting.
Same goes for the sponging german family - all tied in with Pedo's & weirdo's
They need eliminating also.
Biden's a criminal scumbag in my opinion & he'll likely be saved from prosecution
by his Dementia - just a complete & utter stumbling / bumbling puppet at this point.
Trump best President america's had in a very long time. ;D
Being hounded a persecuted by MSM & Touchy feely loony leftists because they don't
like what he say's & how he say's it. Fuck them , they're their own worst enemy.
He speaks to much Truth for them so as usual they want to silence anyone who does.
Sure he's said & done a few things not right. Who hasn't.
'The jury found by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll and therefore was liable for battery.'"
If you can find a similar case against Biden for Pedo that would be cool. But barring that, of the two, a reasonable person would conclude the one that was found liable for sexual battery is worse than the guy people think is creepy. Surely even over there this rings true.
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'The jury found by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll and therefore was liable for battery.'"
If you can find a similar case against Biden for Pedo that would be cool. But barring that, of the two, a reasonable person would conclude the one that was found liable for sexual battery is worse than the guy people think is creepy. Surely even over there this rings true.
You stated Rape - not battery - 2 different things - or they are over here.
Or you just altering the goal posts to suit you.
Thats worrying from an ex cop.
Was Donald found guilty of rape - very simple yes or no. ??
And Bollocks to Pedo Pete the scumbag puppet.
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You stated Rape - not battery - 2 different things - or they are over here.
Or you just altering the goal posts to suit you.
Thats worrying from an ex cop.
Was Donald found guilty of rape - very simple yes or no. ??
And Bollocks to Pedo Pete the scumbag puppet.
No, he was found liable for sexual battery in a court of law. The difference is, he inserted a finger by force vesus a penis. In the UK that may make it a minor offense.. but for most of us in the US, forcing yourself on a woman is bad enough, inserting your fingers is a no no...
But lets take a step back... are you advocating, because he forced his fingers in her and not his penis, it doesn't count?
While you are thinking about that, feel free to post any conviction on Biden for sexual assault or pedophilia.
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No, he was found liable for sexual battery in a court of law. The difference is, he inserted a finger by force vesus a penis. In the UK that may make it a minor offense.. but for most of us in the US, forcing yourself on a woman is bad enough, inserting your fingers is a no no...
But lets take a step back... are you advocating, because he forced his fingers in her and not his penis, it doesn't count?
While you are thinking about that, feel free to post any conviction on Biden for sexual assault or pedophilia.
Biden showering with a child granddaughter and forcing himself on young children/women (numerous vids) is ok though ??
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Wrong again, dippy. He’s an NY rep. But I will say Biden makes him look like Mother Theresa
Ok, so for once we agree. Which obviously means someone is posting from your account.
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we can discuss anything you want at another time. you may not realize your are creating a rabbit trail that derails the conversation.. but you are. And I think I have answered your question about Biden more than once.. so I do wonder why you would repost it here?
Because his limited intelligence has nothing else to contribute. He is just echoing himself in an effort to appeal to the others.
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No, he was found liable for sexual battery in a court of law. The difference is, he inserted a finger by force vesus a penis. In the UK that may make it a minor offense.. but for most of us in the US, forcing yourself on a woman is bad enough, inserting your fingers is a no no...
But lets take a step back... are you advocating, because he forced his fingers in her and not his penis, it doesn't count?
While you are thinking about that, feel free to post any conviction on Biden for sexual assault or pedophilia.
there you go - You only Needed to answer NO - he wasn't found guilty of rape.
End of , as that was the question I asked.
as for the other what you wrote I didn't ask about. Try & limit your answers to whats asked. ;D
You want to bring up other stuff he was found guilty of make a separate post about it.
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You stated Rape - not battery - 2 different things - or they are over here.
Or you just altering the goal posts to suit you.
Thats worrying from an ex cop.
Was Donald found guilty of rape - very simple yes or no. ??
And Bollocks to Pedo Pete the scumbag puppet.
I think you mean over 'there' assuming you are talking about the law in NY state and you live in and are posting from GB.
Unfortunately, there is no 'simple' answer. There may be a 'simple' opinion though. But then, opinions don't count for much in court... facts count.
I mean talk about confusing doublespeak when it comes to the law and the media interpretation of these laws:
"Jean Carroll (center) departs the Manhattan courthouse where a jury awarded her $5 million after finding former President Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing her in the mid-1990s. NEW YORK — A federal jury has found former President Donald Trump liable for battery and defamation in the lawsuit brought by writer E." I see the words 'sexually abusing, battery defamation'.
"The verdict was split. Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse." So, that would be a no, he was not... or, you decide based on the law. Seems like one of those 'duck' situations; "If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck". What say you?
Typically, the law is confusing and open to interpretation.
What is the legal definition of sexual abuse in New York State?
Engaging in sexual intercourse with another person without such person's consent; or engaging in oral sexual conduct or anal sexual conduct with another person without such person's consent; New York Penal Code Section 130 further defines "sexual contact" to include "any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person for the purpose of gratifying sexual desire of either party," and touching of the actor by the victim, as well as the touching of the victim by the actor, whether directly or through clothing.
https://www.findlaw.com/state/new-york-law/new-york-sexual-assault-laws.html#:~:text=New%20York%20criminalizes%20a%20wide,contact%20without%20the%20latter%27s%20consent.
What is the legal definition of battery in NY State?
'Battery, defined as the physical striking, hitting, or sometimes groping of another individual without their consent, is a punishable crime in New York City. In some instances, a battery charge will have two cases attached - civil liability and criminal charges.'
https://www.hochheiser.com/Violent-Crimes/Battery.aspx#:~:text=Battery%2C%20defined%20as%20the%20physical,civil%20liability%20and%20criminal%20charges.
What is the legal definition of defamation in NY State?
'Defamation is the legal term for a false statement made to others, with at least a negligent level of intent, that damages one's reputation. There are two categories of defamation: libel and slander.'
https://www.minclaw.com/new-york-defamation-law-guide/#:~:text=an%20effective%20strategy.-,Standards%20For%20New%20York%20Defamation%20Laws,of%20defamation%3A%20libel%20and%20slander.
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I think you mean over 'there' assuming you are talking about the law in NY state and you live in and are posting from GB.
Unfortunately, there is no 'simple' answer. There may be a 'simple' opinion though. But then, opinions don't count for much in court... facts count.
I mean talk about confusing doublespeak when it comes to the law and the media interpretation of these laws:
"Jean Carroll (center) departs the Manhattan courthouse where a jury awarded her $5 million after finding former President Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing her in the mid-1990s. NEW YORK — A federal jury has found former President Donald Trump liable for battery and defamation in the lawsuit brought by writer E." I see the words 'sexually abusing, battery defamation'.
"The verdict was split. Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse." So, that would be a no, he was not... or, you decide based on the law. Seems like one of those 'duck' situations; "If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck". What say you?
Typically, the law is confusing and open to interpretation.
What is the legal definition of sexual abuse in New York State?
Engaging in sexual intercourse with another person without such person's consent; or engaging in oral sexual conduct or anal sexual conduct with another person without such person's consent; New York Penal Code Section 130 further defines "sexual contact" to include "any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person for the purpose of gratifying sexual desire of either party," and touching of the actor by the victim, as well as the touching of the victim by the actor, whether directly or through clothing.
https://www.findlaw.com/state/new-york-law/new-york-sexual-assault-laws.html#:~:text=New%20York%20criminalizes%20a%20wide,contact%20without%20the%20latter%27s%20consent.
What is the legal definition of battery in NY State?
'Battery, defined as the physical striking, hitting, or sometimes groping of another individual without their consent, is a punishable crime in New York City. In some instances, a battery charge will have two cases attached - civil liability and criminal charges.'
https://www.hochheiser.com/Violent-Crimes/Battery.aspx#:~:text=Battery%2C%20defined%20as%20the%20physical,civil%20liability%20and%20criminal%20charges.
What is the legal definition of defamation in NY State?
'Defamation is the legal term for a false statement made to others, with at least a negligent level of intent, that damages one's reputation. There are two categories of defamation: libel and slander.'
https://www.minclaw.com/new-york-defamation-law-guide/#:~:text=an%20effective%20strategy.-,Standards%20For%20New%20York%20Defamation%20Laws,of%20defamation%3A%20libel%20and%20slander.
Nope wrong - I said over here & I meant over here.
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Nope wrong - I said over here & I meant over here.
I see. Well then what you said makes no sense to me. Are you keeping something a secret? Did you move to the States?
Are British statutory laws as convoluted as those in the U.S. (actually I should say the states because the law 'over here' varies from state to state)? As I understand it, U.S. common law is based on British common law.
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President Pedo Pete is so proud of these loyal
Supporters of everything Paedophile
Yes it’s Lurking for Boys & it’s Daisy chain
Girlfriend Available arse Abe
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I see. Well then what you said makes no sense to me. Are you keeping something a secret? Did you move to the States?
Are British statutory laws as convoluted as those in the U.S. (actually I should say the states because the law 'over here' varies from state to state)? As I understand it, U.S. common law is based on British common law.
Thats your problem if you don't understand it.
And my exact whereabouts right now , I leave for you to wonder. 😊👍🏻
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Thats your problem if you don't understand it.
And my exact whereabouts right now , I leave for you to wonder. 😊👍🏻
We know exactly where you are. We've seen the pictures. It's actually quite shitty. And it is NOT in the US like you so feverishly wish it were.