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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Royalty on April 28, 2006, 05:26:54 PM
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(http://www.ciclopeweb.com/fondos/dorian.jpg)
the front pic 92 (not the ab shot)
There arent too many pics from the 92 olympia on the web it seems
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(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128437285.jpg)
(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128437619.jpg)
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Benaziza was a beast great back too bad about his fate.
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Why are his arms smaller than Benaziza's?
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Vince the pirate ;D
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Vince the pirate ;D
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his eyepatch ;D
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Dorian looked his best in 92 :)
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From those pics Momo looks way better
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From those pics Momo looks way better
Momo did look better but it's clear that they had stature requirements for winning the O.
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momo..
is better than yates... in those pics...
in fact he looks the best from those pics
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his eyepatch ;D
Ah yes, I finally get it ;D. I was thinking of Vince Goodrun from this site! I see that Vince Taylor is who you are talking about. What's with the patch?
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Ah yes, I finally get it ;D. I was thinking of Vince Goodrun from this site! I see that Vince Taylor is who you are talking about. What's with the patch?
If i remember correctly he was taking out his carryon from baggage container on plane (contest was in helsinki) and it fell out landing on his eye
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Why are his arms smaller than Benaziza's?
because they are better than ronnie's :)
Dorian's back looks underwhelming in those...oh wait...Dorian was overrated. I forgot 8) 8) 8) :P
ps in those shots, Flea Labrada has better arms than Dorian! ;D
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because they are better than ronnie's :)
Dorian's back looks underwhelming in those...oh wait...Dorian was overrated. I forgot 8) 8) 8) :P
ps in those shots, Flea Labrada has better arms than Dorian! ;D
Hahahaha...yeah, Dorian's arms are among the worst in that lineup ;D They are indeed bested by Flea Labrada's ;D
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LuciusFox...go forth.
You should be able to hit the 4,000 post mark tonight.
Not bad for just over a month :D
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LuciusFox...go forth.
You should be able to hit the 4,000 post mark tonight.
Not bad for just over a month :D
Yeah, I was noticing, too. It's so exciting ;D. I'm going to bed in 25 minutes ,though, so I don't know if I can make it. :-\
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Hahahaha...yeah, Dorian's arms are among the worst in that lineup ;D They are indeed bested by Flea Labrada's ;D
yet more proof that, despite what ND says, Dorian's arms were sub-par, never great even pre tear, and no where near ronnie's.
and his quads are among the worst in the lineup.
dorian's major flaws were: quads, arms, and almost everything else ;D ;D!
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hulkster why dont you get ronnie to post here
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yet more proof that, despite what ND says, Dorian's arms were sub-par, never great even pre tear, and no where near ronnie's.
and his quads are among the worst in the lineup.
dorian's major flaws were: quads, arms, and almost everything else ;D ;D!
He does have a tight waist there, I'll give him credit for that.
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Yeah, I was noticing, too. It's so exciting ;D. I'm going to bed in 25 minutes ,though, so I don't know if I can make it. :-\
18 short.
You can do it!
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hulkster why dont you get ronnie to post here
We could try. That would be awesome.
Getbig would have: chick, shawn, dex, Jay, Ronnie, etc
Ironage would have: some old fart posting bad arnold pics day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day :-*
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18 short.
You can do it!
That's true. It's still possible.
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Take the Truth to the non-believers on the X board.
That should push you over the top.
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Take the Truth to the non-believers on the X board.
That should push you over the top.
That's a great idea!
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12 to go.......
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12 to go.......
I'll have to post once a minute ;D
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I'll have to post once a minute ;D
Why slow down now ;D
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Why slow down now ;D
Great point. I might as well use my momentum to go straight to the top !;D
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You've entered the single digit zone....
9 to go :D
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That gives you 9 chances to convince CQ to join the flock
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You've entered the single digit zone....
9 to go :D
What was the last show that you went to?
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LUCIUS DESERVES 10 GOLD STARS
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What was the last show that you went to?
The Arnold last month.
6 left.....
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LUCIUS DESERVES 10 GOLD STARS
Thank you nzmusclemonster, but I couldn't do anything if not for Christ. He deserves those stars!
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He looked fantastic in 92
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Thank you nzmusclemonster, but I couldn't do anything if not for Christ. He deserves those stars!
THAT IS TRUE, CHRIST DID BLESS US BY CREATING YOU. 'LUCIUS THE GREAT'
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Yates decided to come in light in the contest and shredded at 242lbs
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I wish I could get as excited over a post count.
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Showing Shawn how its done .
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I wish I could get as excited over a post count.
Sounds like jealousy. ::)
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Sounds like jealousy. ::)
Exactly.
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The winner
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(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128437285.jpg)
and here's Shawn showing Dorian how its done! actually, so are Vince, Momo, Kevin and Lee!
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4000 posts.... LuciusFox doing Team Jesus proud..... Bless you brother
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(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128437285.jpg)
and here's Shawn showing Dorian how its done! actually, so are Vince, Momo, Kevin and Lee!
Yup thats why they won lol ;)
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LF, what is your average post count per day? :D
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And you doubted yourself Lucius?
You have now surpassed the mark.
Dingleberry: 4002 posts in just over a month is a rare thing. We can only sit and watch :)
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Relaxed
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I think Shawn deserved to place higher in 1992. It was a career best shape for him at the time.
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And you doubted yourself Lucius?
You have now surpassed the mark.
Dingleberry: 4002 posts in just over a month is a rare thing. We can only sit and watch :)
Yes, it is an amazing site. Almost holy. ;D
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Way to go Lucious, over 4000 posts, spread the word!
Now lets celebtrate and go get drunk
damn...I'll get the hang of this yet.
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Ab-thigh
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4000 posts.... LuciusFox doing Team Jesus proud..... Bless you brother
Thank you so much! I'd like to thank everyone who helped me get to this point. I love all you guys. You're so special to me! I'd like to thank Ron for providing this excellent board! I'm just so overwhelmed right now.
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Ab-thigh
you mean ab and calf.
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Thank you so much! I'd like to thank everyone who helped me get to this point. I love all you guys. You're so special to me! I'd like to thank Ron for providing this excellent board! I'm just so overwhelmed right now.
;D ;D
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ND if you can, are you able to scan and post the pics from Flex magazine's 1994 English Grand Prix. Some of the pics (by Kevin Horton) such as Kevin Levrone's most muscular and Dorian's side chest (with right arm flexed to show the biceps) etc were sick. Thanks in Advance :)
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Thank you so much! I'd like to thank everyone who helped me get to this point. I love all you guys. You're so special to me! I'd like to thank Ron for providing this excellent board! I'm just so overwhelmed right now.
:'( excellent speech, truely an emotional moment :'(
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LF, what is your average post count per day? :D
He averages about 100, but one memorable day he went up to the 250 mark.
Thank you so much! I'd like to thank everyone who helped me get to this point. I love all you guys. You're so special to me! I'd like to thank Ron for providing this excellent board! I'm just so overwhelmed right now.
I like to think I had a small part in making this happen :)
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ND if you can, are you able to scan and post the pics from Flex magazine's 1994 English Grand Prix. Some of the pics (by Kevin Horton) such as Kevin Levrone's most muscular and Dorian's side chest (with right arm flexed to show the biceps) etc were sick. Thanks in Advance :)
I don't think I have that magazine , sorry .
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He averages about 100, but one memorable day he went up to the 250 mark.
I like to think I had a small part in making this happen :)
Stalker, go polish your stars or something ;D
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I don't think I have that magazine , sorry .
Too bad :'( Are you able to make up for it by admitting Ronnie, at his greatest, shits all over Dorian ? ;D
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you mean ab and calf.
Like Ronnie with the gut-thigh shot ? :D
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Too bad :'( Are you able to make up for it by admitting Ronnie, at his greatest, shits all over Dorian ? ;D
lol did Hulkster pay you off?
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I have connections 8)
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I have connections 8)
Use them to get Big Ron up in here !!
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lol did Hulkster pay you off?
Nah. I was Dorian's biggest fan once - I greatly admire(d) his physique and his mental outlook towards bodybuilding (and everything else). He was truly heroic when you consider his wins in 1994 and 1997 after the injuries. I still am a big fan of Dorian, but I just think that Ronnie is a physically superior specimen.
BTW, did you read the article in Flex by Dorian and Debbie about his whole ordeal around the 1997 Mr O? It was a great read.
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If we can get Ronnie to post here, ND is not allowed to communicate with him for obvious reasons! :D
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Nah. I was Dorian's biggest fan once - I greatly admire(d) his physique and his mental outlook towards bodybuilding (and everything else). He was truly heroic when you consider his wins in 1994 and 1997 after the injuries. I still am a big fan of Dorian, but I just think that Ronnie is a physically superior specimen.
BTW, did you read the article in Flex by Dorian and Debbie about his whole ordeal around the 1997 Mr O? It was a great read.
1997 he should have lost , he looked great from the back but his front was a mess and it was really a joke when he won like that , and I still maintain he was good enough to win in 1994 and so did the runner-up !!
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If we can get Ronnie to post here, ND is not allowed to communicate with him for obvious reasons! :D
I would post pics from 1998 and ask Ron do you remember this guy lol
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and I still maintain he was good enough to win in 1994
you mean you haven't started rehab yet?
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I would post pics from 1998 and ask Ron do you remember this guy lol
and ronnie would reply: yeah, I do - he only had one measly Olympia title! 8)
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1997 he should have lost , he looked great from the back but his front was a mess and it was really a joke when he won like that , and I still maintain he was good enough to win in 1994 and so did the runner-up !!
Yeah I remember that time in 1994. Right after the contest, no one ever hinted about Dorian not deserving to win it ( I think he was the best onstage in 1994). Though he didnt look his best in 1997 (to put it mildly), I still think he deserved to win it. His front lat spread was actually better than anyone else's and from the side and the back, no one could touch him.
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Yeah I remember that time in 1994. Right after the contest, no one ever hinted about Dorian not deserving to win it ( I think he was the best onstage in 1994). Though he didnt look his best in 1997 (to put it mildly), I still think he deserved to win it. His front lat spread was actually better than anyone else's and from the side and the back, no one could touch him.
you didn't read musclemag back then did you? :)
they trashed both the mens and women's olympias that year by telling the truth: neither champ should have won
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you didn't read musclemag back then did you? :)
they trashed both the mens and women's olympias that year by telling the truth: neither champ should have won
Firstly, I think Musclemag has the worst contest report writeups ever. Whoever Johnny fitness is, he deserves to be shot. His writing skills would put a second-grader to shame. Secondly, I know that lots of people think Dorian shouldn't have won in 1997 and I can see why. Its just my opinion that he did deserve his victory Hulkster. For the record, I do think that at their best, Ronnie would beat Dorian hands down 8)
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but back in the early to mid 90's, musclemag had the most in depth, long, pic filled and informative contest reports in the industry.
but by the 2000's they went from having 20 page Olympia write ups to 3 page wright ups with little or no comments on the actual physiques (eg. 2004 all they did was bitch about the challenge round - almost no critiques what so ever :-\)
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The winner
kevin being a good sportsman even though he knew he was royally screwed >:(
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kevin being a good sportsman even though he knew he was royally screwed >:(
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Dorian is the biggest,thickest and most complete BBer on stage by far. Levrone, Taylor and Labrada look shallow in comparison, and he just plain overpowers Ray and Momo. They are just too short. I'm not a huge Dorian fan but he won that one easily.
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don't you roll your eyes at me punk >:(
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He averages about 100, but one memorable day he went up to the 250 mark.
I like to think I had a small part in making this happen :)
I actually topped 300 posts that day, after I found out that I had made 247. It is my personal best. ;D Do you think I could ever hit 400?
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There arent too many pics from the 92 olympia on the web it seems
I have about 100 pics for each Mr. Olympia (real pics, not stamps)
But I won't post them, because the child from schwarz......it will steal them and put them on his site to make money... >:(
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I actually topped 300 posts that day, after I found out that I had made 247. It is my personal best. ;D Do you think I could ever hit 400?
I believe you could.
Personally, I am pretty confident you will hit the 5,000 mark by next weekend :)
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I believe you could.
Personally, I am pretty confident you will hit the 5,000 mark by next weekend :)
That would be shameful of me. I really need to slow down. ;D
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Haney would have won again. Too bad he didn't compete. Actually ND, I agree with you that 1992 and 1993 were probably Dorian's best years. You got to admit, if Momo were taller, he would have won. Being five feet tall is not conducive to becoming Mr. Olympia. If there were a short class, he would have eaten Labrada's lunch. Too bad the diuretics got him. If Dorian stayed in that shape, I wouldn't rip on the guy as he looked really good. I think Ronnie is better, but that is my opinion. I think Dorian was a Greek travesty the last few years, and by the way Ronnie is looking now, he may follow suit unless he ups the intensity. Anyway, peace to all.
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That would be shameful of me. I really need to slow down. ;D
About 50 for you today, and it's only lunchtime.
Post on 8)
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About 50 for you today, and it's only lunchtime.
Post on 8)
I'm actually planning on going on a boating trip today and I have an 8-10 page paper to write. Stupid life is interfering with my posting. >:(
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One where he actually compares with Ron. Few have his density; Ron never had it:
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dorian may be dense in that shot, but he is damn ugly in it too!
no classic lines like the pre-gut Ronnie had.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc57.jpg)
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When he was lean Yates was impressive despite the lack of aesthetics. The blockiness wasn't so apparent.
Yates' density was one of the only areas along with calves that Ron can't touch him.
Speaking of lines..:P
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Once you go black, you never go back! :-*
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Ronnie's arms look good ;D. Seriously, it is May and he has five months to get back in shape. Maybe this is the year he skips the Mr. Olympia to let some new blood in. Then, he can train all year 2007 and kick the new Mr. Olympia's ass. I have a feeling that a new Ronnie may make an appearance come July. I suspect he has a game plan. The man has won 8 Sandow's in a row. He must know the routine pretty well. ;)
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Don't forget that he's, what, 42? 43? He's getting old, and I don't think he's holding up as well as he used to. I've never seen him look this bad...
This is Jay's year.
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Momo's back BLOWS Dorian's (AND EVERYONE ELSE'S!) AWAY!!!!!!!! DAMN!!!!!!
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because they are better than ronnie's :)
Dorian's back looks underwhelming in those...oh wait...Dorian was overrated. I forgot 8) 8) 8) :P
ps in those shots, Flea Labrada has better arms than Dorian! ;D
Hulkster, are you familiar with the term REALITY ? Lets talk reality.
Everytime Yates & coleman went head to head. Dorian Paintbrushed your hero. In 4 Mr. Olympia's that they went head to head, YATES won first place, and Coleman placed 15th (1994), 10th (1995), 6th (1996), and as we all know, Coleman placed an embarrassing 9th in 1997.
I'm not including the numerous grand prix victories that Yates also spanked Coleman.
Dorian started training at the age of 20, Coleman started at the age of 12. Yates won his first Olympia after only 11 years of training, but it took Coleman 22 years to win.
You can wish all you want to about a dream re-match that will never take place. They already battled head to head, and EVERY SINGLE TIME Dorian stomped the dawg-shit out of your Hero..
There is no more to talk about. The ONLY thing that counts is REALITY. And it will never change. Dorian Dominated the Hyppocritical Cop.
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Hulkster, are you familiar with the term REALITY ? Lets talk reality.
Everytime Yates & coleman went head to head. Dorian Paintbrushed your hero. In 4 Mr. Olympia's that they went head to head, YATES won first place, and Coleman placed 15th (1994), 10th (1995), 6th (1996), and as we all know, Coleman placed an embarrassing 9th in 1997.
I'm not including the numerous grand prix victories that Yates also spanked Coleman.
Dorian started training at the age of 20, Coleman started at the age of 12. Yates won his first Olympia after only 11 years of training, but it took Coleman 22 years to win.
You can wish all you want to about a dream re-match that will never take place. They already battled head to head, and EVERY SINGLE TIME Dorian stomped the dawg-shit out of your Hero..
There is no more to talk about. The ONLY thing that counts is REALITY. And it will never change. Dorian Dominated the Hyppocritical Cop.
Dorian never faced Ronnie at his best. You can see from the numerous pictures available that Ronnie is superior.
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Dorian never faced Ronnie at his best. You can see from the numerous pictures available that Ronnie is superior.
See people go on about " Ronnie wasn't anywhere near his best when he competed agaisnt Dorian " well I say what was the big difference? the only major thing Ronnie didn't have when he was going head-to-head with Yates is conditioning , he was around the same weight as his all time best ASC win 245lbs when they competed so the only thing he was missing was his sharpness and thats something Yates' never lacked in
Look at this pic , Ronnie is around 245lbs and he is getting his ass handed to him , the only advantage he enjoys in this pic his great biceps .
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See people go on about " Ronnie wasn't anywhere near his best when he competed agaisnt Dorian " well I say what was the big difference? the only major thing Ronnie didn't have when he was going head-to-head with Yates is conditioning , he was around the same weight as his all time best ASC win 245lbs when they competed so the only thing he was missing was his sharpness and thats something Yates' never lacked in
Look at this pic , Ronnie is around 245lbs and he is getting his ass handed to him , the only advantage he enjoys in this pic his great biceps .
I think he would have done better against Dorian at 287 or 255, but yes, he didn't have the conditioning or polish then.
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Look at this pic , Yates' back is just insane compared to Ronnie's , just look how much thicker his back is , especially in the traps , and detail , look at Yates' lats they insert at his waist and he has the edge in width , not to mention Dorian's x-mas tree that Ron is missing
Now at a heavier weight Ron would have the edge in width and maybe thickness but Ron's back at 287lbs is no where near as sharp & detailed as it was at 250lbs so that ' advantage ' would be moot , because it would be a case of Dorian's quality vs Ron's quantity
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Look at this pic , Yates' back is just insane compared to Ronnie's , just look how much thicker his back is , especially in the traps , and detail , look at Yates' lats they insert at his waist and he has the edge in width , not to mention Dorian's x-mas tree that Ron is missing
Now at a heavier weight Ron would have the edge in width and maybe thickness but Ron's back at 287lbs is no where near as sharp & detailed as it was at 250lbs so that ' advantage ' would be moot , because it would be a case of Dorian's quality vs Ron's quantity
Ronnie's back actually is thicker there. Look at the lats in particular. That's not even Ronnie's back at its best. It was better in 99. Ronnie is not maximizing his width in that pose anyway. I don't think the size advantage would be moot because Ronnie's lower body was still incredibly sharp at 287. Dorian would be destroyed like Jay.
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Momo's back BLOWS Dorian's (AND EVERYONE ELSE'S!) AWAY!!!!!!!! DAMN!!!!!!
I suppose you never read the interview where The Shadow mentions that Momo was his inspriation for building such a big, barn-door back? ::) In the interview, Dorian said he competed in a contest where Momo was also competing (and though I'm not sure of it, Momo may have also won, but again I'm not sure) and Dorian said when Momo turned around he (DY) felt dwarfed and knew he had to bring his back up in order to beat Momo. ;)
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I suppose you never read the interview where The Shadow mentions that Momo was his inspriation for building such a big, barn-door back? ::) In the interview, Dorian said he competed in a contest where Momo was also competing (and though I'm not sure of it, Momo may have also won, but again I'm not sure) and Dorian said when Momo turned around he (DY) felt dwarfed and knew he had to bring his back up in order to beat Momo. ;)
Ture story !! after losing to Momo at the NOC Yates felt it was due to Momo having a thicker back so he went back to the drawing board and low and behold .
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Ronnie's back actually is thicker there. Look at the lats in particular. That's not even Ronnie's back at its best. It was better in 99. Ronnie is not maximizing his width in that pose anyway. I don't think the size advantage would be moot because Ronnie's lower body was still incredibly sharp at 287. Dorian would be destroyed like Jay.
Oh come on , now way is Ron thicker in that pic dude , I'm sorry , Yates has him clearly in thickness & in detail and in hardness !!
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Oh come on , now way is Ron thicker in that pic dude , I'm sorry , Yates has him clearly in thickness & in detail and in hardness !!
They are tied in detail, Yates wins hardness and Ronnie wins thickness. Ronnie also wins the "X-Factor" category. That's two wins for Ronnie and one for Dorian. Ronnie wins.
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dorian's upper back is better than Ronnie's in that shot. But Ronnie's arms also kill dorians in that shot and they are a very important part of the back.
However, ronnie's back improved by leaps and bounds, and easily beat dorian's in the back double bi only a few short years later:
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/98coleman7.jpg)
much better than Dorian's. and it still improved from there!
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They are tied in detail, Yates wins hardness and Ronnie wins thickness. Ronnie also wins the "X-Factor" category. That's two wins for Ronnie and one for Dorian. Ronnie wins.
The only edge Coleman has in that pic is great biceps !!
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dorian's upper back is better than Ronnie's in that shot. But Ronnie's arms also kill dorians in that shot and they are a very important part of the back.
However, ronnie's back improved by leaps and bounds, and easily beat dorian's in the back double bi only a few short years later:
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/98coleman7.jpg)
much better than Dorian's. and it still improved from there!
Dorian's ENTIRE back is better than Ron's in that pic and the only edge he would have in 98 is.........( drum roll ) ............ much better biceps !! and Hulkster you do realize that when asking for competitors to do the rear double bicep pose , they ask for one leg back and flex the calf !! and Ronnie in 98 vs that pic has better detail vs the pic with Yates and Yates has that as well , couple with greater width , thickness and hardness .
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nd Hulkster you do realize that when asking for competitors to do the rear double bicep pose , they ask for one leg back and flex the calf !!
yup, just like in the ab and thight pose the judges ask for one leg extended flexing the quad, something that dorian NEVER did and should have been asked to do so. The judges looked the other way because the Mr. O. can't be made to look bad. Had he done the pose correctly, it would have exposed his horrible quads (from the front)
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yup, just like in the ab and thight pose the judges ask for one leg extended flexing the quad, something that dorian NEVER did and should have been asked to do so. The judges looked the other way because the Mr. O. can't be made to look bad. Had he done the pose correctly, it would have exposed his horrible quads (from the front)
First of all his midsection was very sharp for a guy his size and his quads were fine ,his upperquad serpartion was overdevloped or just oddly shapped , however his lower quads were excellent , so stop grasping at straws :D
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You two just never stop...do you's? ::)
For awhile, GetBig had a break from the debates. But now you two are back at it. Same pics, same arguments, over and over and over and over and over!!!!
Just respect both of them, and be done with it!!! >:(
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy114.jpg)
dorian's quads have never, ever, been 'fine".
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ND, admit it, you jones for Dorian the same way that Hulkster desires Ronnie. You are blind in your devotion. The pic you show of Ronnie is back in 1994 or so. Coleman wasn't that good then. In 1998 and 1999, Coleman would have blown away the one armed, droopy persona you so adore. Why don't you show some pics of Ronnie when he was really large. Yes, his detail might not match Dorians, but his muscle shape and thickness shits all over Yates. To those who compare the two, consider that Yates got beat by a dude who was five feet tall. To state that Coleman wouldn't have won because of results from before is ludicrous. Also, did anyone ever really take a good look at Yates in 1997. You think Ronnie was gifter his 2001 win....sheesh. Here are some pics of Ronnie in August 2002 before the Mr. Olympia. Unfortunately, he dieted a lot of this muscle off before the show but learned better in 2003. The muscle shape compared to Yates is incomparable. Ronnie crushes him.
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Here is another shot. Look at those delts and arms. Not to mention his thickness. Remember, this is almost six weeks out from the show.
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ND, compare this to your boyfriends relaxed pose.
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(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/98coleman7.jpg)
amazing :o
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Interesting:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/2.jpg)
(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128437285.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0074.jpg)
(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128437619.jpg)
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dorian's quads have never, ever, been 'fine".
His quads were fine , the only problem you can comment on is his upper quads look either overdeveloped or just plain oddly shapped , his lower quads were fine and overall his quads matched his upperbody and they matched his calves , and ironic you post a pic from the 1991 Olympia because I recall Lenda saying Yates' is like Haney with better legs !! ;)
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Yates was nothing like Haney. Haney had a way better taper. His lats started lower and his upper back to this day was thicker. His lower back was not as good, but he too had sick conditioning. Haney's chest destroyed Dorian. Arms were similar in that both were sub-par for Mr. Olympians. However, Haney could do a vacuum and Dorian probably lost that ability when he was 14. Dorian's legs were thicker, but their shape is average. Haney's were cut up at least. Overall, Haney had a lot more class to his physique. I will say it again, if Momo would have lived and been born just six inches taller, he would have been a multiple time Mr. Olympian. Yates did not beat him at all in that Mr. Olympia posedown above. The judges may have called it that way, but they are the of the same breed who state Chick beat Rusty Jeffer's. Politics, unfortunately, make it very difficult to have a level playing field. BTW ND, why don't you comment on the lack of thickness and shape of Ronnie's shots above. I can hear it now, Yate's arms are fuller thus better ::)
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ND, admit it, you jones for Dorian the same way that Hulkster desires Ronnie. You are blind in your devotion. The pic you show of Ronnie is back in 1994 or so. Coleman wasn't that good then. In 1998 and 1999, Coleman would have blown away the one armed, droopy persona you so adore. Why don't you show some pics of Ronnie when he was really large. Yes, his detail might not match Dorians, but his muscle shape and thickness shits all over Yates. To those who compare the two, consider that Yates got beat by a dude who was five feet tall. To state that Coleman wouldn't have won because of results from before is ludicrous. Also, did anyone ever really take a good look at Yates in 1997. You think Ronnie was gifter his 2001 win....sheesh. Here are some pics of Ronnie in August 2002 before the Mr. Olympia. Unfortunately, he dieted a lot of this muscle off before the show but learned better in 2003. The muscle shape compared to Yates is incomparable. Ronnie crushes him.
The B&W pic of Ronnie & Dorian is NOT from 94 , they were never compared Yates' was first and Ronnie was dead last , I believe the pic is from 96 but it could be from 97 , either way Ronnie was around his ideal weight of 250lbs
Thickness & density is ine aera Ronnie doesn't compare with Yates in the least , and I'll give you that Ronnie does have some better shaped muscles but so does Yates , so its tit for tat , couple that with Dorian's much better balance & proportion and it clear to those who are not emotionaly envolved ( You & Hulkster ) that Yates would just hand Ronnie is ass again
And this front latspread easily beats Ronnie's Oh and he is a few weeks out from the Olympia
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Yates was nothing like Haney. Haney had a way better taper. His lats started lower and his upper back to this day was thicker. His lower back was not as good, but he too had sick conditioning. Haney's chest destroyed Dorian. Arms were similar in that both were sub-par for Mr. Olympians. However, Haney could do a vacuum and Dorian probably lost that ability when he was 14. Dorian's legs were thicker, but their shape is average. Haney's were cut up at least. Overall, Haney had a lot more class to his physique. I will say it again, if Momo would have lived and been born just six inches taller, he would have been a multiple time Mr. Olympian. Yates did not beat him at all in that Mr. Olympia posedown above. The judges may have called it that way, but they are the of the same breed who state Chick beat Rusty Jeffer's. Politics, unfortunately, make it very difficult to have a level playing field. BTW ND, why don't you comment on the lack of thickness and shape of Ronnie's shots above. I can hear it now, Yate's arms are fuller thus better ::)
I'm not saying Yates should have won in 91 , that was Haney all the way , I was commenting on what Lenda said about it quads and up until that time NO ONE could match Haney's back , Dorian did and he had a much better lowerback .
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Here is another shot. Look at those delts and arms. Not to mention his thickness. Remember, this is almost six weeks out from the show.
Big deal Yates has em covered on everything except biceps !!
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ND - your behaviour is absurd
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ND - your behaviour is absurd
lol
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lol
Ronnie is greater than Dorian ;D
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Ha ha, Ronnie craps on him everyway except calves. Please, in 2003, he looked like that in the show. Please, Dorian's greatest pics were B&W photos which add a certain something anyway. He is not as wide or thick. His arms, even in 2003, were average. Big but no shape. Ronnie blows him away.
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Ha ha, Ronnie craps on him everyway except calves. Please, in 2003, he looked like that in the show. Please, Dorian's greatest pics were B&W photos which add a certain something anyway. He is not as wide or thick. His arms, even in 2003, were average. Big but no shape. Ronnie blows him away.
Yeah, just like he did every time they competed against each other.
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Yeah, just like he did every time they competed against each other.
He wasn't at his best then. At his best he makes Dorian look like Moe of television's "The Three Stooges" ::)
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He wasn't at his best then. At his best he makes Dorian look like Moe of television's "The Three Stooges" ::)
There is no better yardstick than results, everything else is supposition.
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Yeah, just like he did every time they competed against each other.
its amazing how desparate the dorian fans are that they have to cling to ridiculous arguements like this.
So, does that mean that Benaziza (who stomped dorian's ass at the 90 NOC) would have beaten Dorian at the 1993 Olympia?
According to the dorian fans, by the same argument they are using against Ronnie, Momo would have beaten him at his best.
HAHA!
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There is no better yardstick than results, everything else is supposition.
We are talking about results. The results being what their physiques looked like. Contest results being what they are, it makes more sense to examine physiques than to just repeat contest results and assume they would hold forever ::)
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its amazing how desparate the dorian fans are that they have to cling to ridiculous arguements like this.
So, does that mean that Benaziza (who stomped dorian's ass at the 90 NOC) would have beaten Dorian at the 1993 Olympia?
According to the dorian fans, by the same argument they are using against Ronnie, Momo would have beaten him at his best.
HAHA!
Oh Hulkster so good of you not to let me down. But then again considering you spend all your leisure time (or is that all you're time?) on here, need I have worried? There's no desperation, just hard evidence, something you cannot provide as Ronnie never beat Dorian. Fact. Live with it. Flex should have beaten RC once or twice post 98, certainly Jay should have in 2001 (perhaps 05 too) and possibly even in Levrone in 02. You seriously need help my friend. Your rants are legendary but I think medication is in order. Message me, I will sort you out.
BTW, Momo was awesome in 90 and that physique he presented at the NOC would have taken the 90 Olympia, I think he lost it a little after that up until his sad demise. Had he continued to improve then who can say what he would have done? A damn shame.
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We are talking about results. The results being what their physiques looked like. Contest results being what they are, it makes more sense to examine physiques than to just repeat contest results and assume they would hold forever ::)
Agreed. Examine their physiques, standing next to each other. Anything else is conjecture. Have you ever even seen either of these guys in contest shape let alone in the same show?
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Agreed. Examine their physiques, standing next to each other. Anything else is conjecture. Have you ever even seen either of these guys in contest shape let alone in the same show?
You can't examine them at their peaks standing next to each other and why would you need to? Ronnie looks better and has a superior physique, IMO, at his best. Bodybuilding is such a subjective sport that even if they were standing next to each other we could come to different conclusions.
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its amazing how desparate the dorian fans are that they have to cling to ridiculous arguements like this.
So, does that mean that Benaziza (who stomped dorian's ass at the 90 NOC) would have beaten Dorian at the 1993 Olympia?
According to the dorian fans, by the same argument they are using against Ronnie, Momo would have beaten him at his best.
HAHA!
See this is where your flawed logic rears its ugly head once again , No Momo wouldn't beat Dorian in 1993 because ( drum roll please ) Dorian imrpoved by leaps & bounds , he was a lot heavier by 1993 filling out his frame , 1990 Night of the Champions Doeian weighed just 228lbs that was his first Pro show and he placed 2nd !! not a bad begining and Dorian felt Momo only beat him on back thickness and Dorian went back to the drawing board built one of the best backs ever !!
Fast foward to Dorian beating Ronnie , Dorian beat Ronnie I believe 7 times , 94 doesn't count Ronnie was really light but he did look good , 95 he started to look good , he won a contest , was around 240-250lbs , 1996 his breakout year , started becomming a threat , he beat Flex Wheeler out right and placed 2nd a few times , sometimes I think he looked better in 96 than he did in 98 !!
Anyway how much did Ronnie improve post meeting Yates? what did he improve on ? not size , because by 95/96 he was already at his ideal weight , the general consensus is Ron looked his best at 245-250lbs period . he was 247lbs at the ASC and I believe 249lbs at his first Olympia win , so the ONLY thing Ronnie imrpoved on ( thanks to Chad ) was his conditioning , however at the 96 NOC the was sharp as hell with cross striations in his quads which he didn't have at the 1998 Olympia , anyway , no doubt about he conditioning did improve in 1998 , but what else did? did his calves improve from the time he meet Yates? no , did his balance & proportion improve? no , did he gain any extra size ? no , he was at his ideal weight and he was sharp as hell , the only Chad help with was a ripped ass & gyno
Its 100% accurate to compare Ronnie & Dorian at the times they competed because in 96 he already established himself a top tier pro and the only thing he really " improved " on was his conditioning , and Yates never had a problem with conditioning , so if they meet at their respective bests nothing would change , Ronnie would be ripped and thats it , he would have been sent packing for the 8th time .
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So your proposing ronnie hasnt improved at all since 1996?
Moronic
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So your proposing ronnie hasnt improved at all since 1996?
Moronic
Is it really? he did get a LOT bigger however that came at a huge cost , a GIGANTIC gut , an even more unbalanced physique , his conditioning since 2001 hasn't looked better , so its safe to assume that phsyique wise he hasn't improved since at least the 2001 ASC and before that the 1998 Olympia and possibly the 1996 NOC , look at this pic from the 96 NOC , people rave about the 2001 ASC look at this pic , his abs are good , his intercostles , serattus and onliques are sharp as hell , he has cross-striations in his quads , which he didn't have at the ASC or Olympia , he looks full & super ripped , but he did look great in 98/99 and 01 ASC and I'll say he has NOT improved his phsyique for the better since the 2001 ASC !!
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Wrong again ND. Ronnie got bigger and tighter. He may not be the 285-290 pound freak he is now, but he was around 250-255 easy in 1998/1999. You persist on how Dorian filled out his frame, got better, etc. You admit he looked poorly in 1997. Once again, if the show wasn't fixed (read IFBB judges really picked the best physique that day and did not give gifts based on name alone), Ronnie would have slaughtered Dorian in 1998/1999/2000/2003/2004/2005. I feel in 2001 and 2002 he came in flat enough that a pre one armed bandit Yates could have put up a good fight. However, your logic is dubious at best. Look at the pics I have posted, Hulkster has posted along with every other objective person here. Ronnie kills him now. Granted, Dorian was better at a younger age, but who gives a shit. Haney won the Mr. Olympia before he was 25. I only agree with you on one point, the way that bodybuilding judging is going, 1998 could have been the ultimate travesty if Yates had completed with horrible GH gut, no legs, and one arm and beaten a spot on Coleman. However, I tend to believe you that this may have happened. However, if you are completely objective and they were based on their merits, it would be no contest. Now that Ronnie is in the mind's eye, it wouldn't even be close. Dorian, except for 1993 and maybe 1992, would have not even beaten Gutler. From the front he looks pathetic except for the abs/thighs shot. His most muscular is grotesque and his front double bi is pitiful. Hi front lat spread is impressive, but his legs are not ripped and his arms are not impressive. Ronnie blows him away. Instead of showing everyone the B&W pics, which was an alltime best shape for Yates, why don't you show contest pics from 1997 and point out objectively why he would beat Ronnie circa 1998/1999?
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Wrong again ND. Ronnie got bigger and tighter. He may not be the 285-290 pound freak he is now, but he was around 250-255 easy in 1998/1999. You persist on how Dorian filled out his frame, got better, etc. You admit he looked poorly in 1997. Once again, if the show wasn't fixed (read IFBB judges really picked the best physique that day and did not give gifts based on name alone), Ronnie would have slaughtered Dorian in 1998/1999/2000/2003/2004/2005. I feel in 2001 and 2002 he came in flat enough that a pre one armed bandit Yates could have put up a good fight. However, your logic is dubious at best. Look at the pics I have posted, Hulkster has posted along with every other objective person here. Ronnie kills him now. Granted, Dorian was better at a younger age, but who gives a shit. Haney won the Mr. Olympia before he was 25. I only agree with you on one point, the way that bodybuilding judging is going, 1998 could have been the ultimate travesty if Yates had completed with horrible GH gut, no legs, and one arm and beaten a spot on Coleman. However, I tend to believe you that this may have happened. However, if you are completely objective and they were based on their merits, it would be no contest. Now that Ronnie is in the mind's eye, it wouldn't even be close. Dorian, except for 1993 and maybe 1992, would have not even beaten Gutler. From the front he looks pathetic except for the abs/thighs shot. His most muscular is grotesque and his front double bi is pitiful. Hi front lat spread is impressive, but his legs are not ripped and his arms are not impressive. Ronnie blows him away. Instead of showing everyone the B&W pics, which was an alltime best shape for Yates, why don't you show contest pics from 1997 and point out objectively why he would beat Ronnie circa 1998/1999?
Spoken like a true Coleman fan lol 1998 Mr Olympia he was 249lbs , 1999 Mr Olympia he was 257lbs ( same as Yates in 93 ) however he wasn't as sharp in 99 as he was in 98 and he progressively gotten worse as the years have gone on , his last great conest apperance was the 2001 ASC ( 247lbs ), people go on about the 2003 Olympia as being great its great in the sense of sheer size and good conditioning , but compared to 2001 ASC and 98/99 Olympia he looked like garbage
And again I guess you didn't get what I'm saying , I don't feel a 1997 Version Dorian could have beat a 1998 Ronnie , but if they did compete he would beat him not on the merits of his phsyique but on the tradition that a reigning Mr Olympia doesn't lose , Yates in 93 , 95 , and 96 would beat 1998 Coleman without effort , Yates beat a sharper Flex Wheeler in 93 and Ronnie just barely beat a less than stella Flex in 98 by 3 points so an on-Yates ( 93 , 95 , 96 ) wouldn't have a problem beating Ronnie 98 !!
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AnalDischarge, when do you think that Flex deserved to beat Ronnie post 1998?
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Spoken like a true Coleman fan lol 1998 Mr Olympia he was 249lbs , 1999 Mr Olympia he was 257lbs ( same as Yates in 93 ) however he wasn't as sharp in 99 as he was in 98 and he progressively gotten worse as the years have gone on , his last great conest apperance was the 2001 ASC ( 247lbs ), people go on about the 2003 Olympia as being great its great in the sense of sheer size and good conditioning , but compared to 2001 ASC and 98/99 Olympia he looked like garbage
And again I guess you didn't get what I'm saying , I don't feel a 1997 Version Dorian could have beat a 1998 Ronnie , but if they did compete he would beat him not on the merits of his phsyique but on the tradition that a reigning Mr Olympia doesn't lose , Yates in 93 , 95 , and 96 would beat 1998 Coleman without effort , Yates beat a sharper Flex Wheeler in 93 and Ronnie just barely beat a less than stella Flex in 98 by 3 points so an on-Yates ( 93 , 95 , 96 ) wouldn't have a problem beating Ronnie 98 !!
Ronnie's a hell of a lot bigger than you ::)
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Ronnie's a hell of a lot bigger than you ::)
Ah but jesus is a LOT bigger than Ronnie !! ;)
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Yeah, just like he did every time they competed against each other.
Hey ass, by using that logic, Olev Annus is superior to Dorian Yates. Yep, they competed against each other back in the day once and Olev won Dorian. Here's his pic.
(http://gallery.amazon.ee/albums/Absoluutsed_Eesti_Meistrid/aaj.jpg)
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Hey ass, by using that logic, Olev Annus is superior to Dorian Yates. Yep, they competed against each other back in the day once and Olev won Dorian. Here's his pic.
(http://gallery.amazon.ee/albums/Absoluutsed_Eesti_Meistrid/aaj.jpg)
Hahahaha...their own pitiful logic was used against them ;D
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the ronnie/Dorian comparisons is silly...iTs not even close...Comparing Dorian juiced to the f cking gills gh/slin gut starting to come into play back in 92-93 to ronnie back at the same time(obviously a ton less gear) and Ronnie even back then comes pretty close....Now 21st century Ronnie juiced to the gills, slin/gh belly in full effect blows Dorian off the stage...
A better comparison would be Dorian and Cutler...But even Cutler blows Dorian away IMOP
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Hey ass, by using that logic, Olev Annus is superior to Dorian Yates. Yep, they competed against each other back in the day once and Olev won Dorian. Here's his pic.
(http://gallery.amazon.ee/albums/Absoluutsed_Eesti_Meistrid/aaj.jpg)
That's a very gay pose
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Ronnie never beat Dorian. Fact. Live with it.
Tired argument; Zane beat Schwarzenegger, and?
Weider never lets a multi-year winner lose; Yates wasn't losing to Ron.
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See this is where your flawed logic rears its ugly head once again , No Momo wouldn't beat Dorian in 1993 because ( drum roll please ) Dorian imrpoved by leaps & bounds , he was a lot heavier by 1993 filling out his frame , 1990 Night of the Champions Doeian weighed just 228lbs that was his first Pro show and he placed 2nd !! not a bad begining and Dorian felt Momo only beat him on back thickness and Dorian went back to the drawing board built one of the best backs ever !!
Fast foward to Dorian beating Ronnie , Dorian beat Ronnie I believe 7 times , 94 doesn't count Ronnie was really light but he did look good , 95 he started to look good , he won a contest , was around 240-250lbs , 1996 his breakout year , started becomming a threat , he beat Flex Wheeler out right and placed 2nd a few times , sometimes I think he looked better in 96 than he did in 98 !!
Anyway how much did Ronnie improve post meeting Yates? what did he improve on ? not size , because by 95/96 he was already at his ideal weight , the general consensus is Ron looked his best at 245-250lbs period . he was 247lbs at the ASC and I believe 249lbs at his first Olympia win , so the ONLY thing Ronnie imrpoved on ( thanks to Chad ) was his conditioning , however at the 96 NOC the was sharp as hell with cross striations in his quads which he didn't have at the 1998 Olympia , anyway , no doubt about he conditioning did improve in 1998 , but what else did? did his calves improve from the time he meet Yates? no , did his balance & proportion improve? no , did he gain any extra size ? no , he was at his ideal weight and he was sharp as hell , the only Chad help with was a ripped ass & gyno
Its 100% accurate to compare Ronnie & Dorian at the times they competed because in 96 he already established himself a top tier pro and the only thing he really " improved " on was his conditioning , and Yates never had a problem with conditioning , so if they meet at their respective bests nothing would change , Ronnie would be ripped and thats it , he would have been sent packing for the 8th time .
you are underestimating the power of conditioning. And you are ignoring muscle refinement.
For example, comparing Ronnie's back in 1996 or 1997 to his back in 1998 or 1999 is laughable.
1997:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=75905;image)
1998:
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/98coleman7.jpg)
(http://www.beyondrelief.com/images/colemanback.jpg)
this is more than just conditioning. It is also added muscle. I don't believe that Ronnie was near his ideal bodyweight of 250 pounds in 1996/7. If I recall, he was more like 235-238.
Lets compare quads.
1996:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=75998;image)
1999:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
again, 1999 looks much, much better.
Ronnie made a big leap in 98/99. it should be obvious by looking at the pics. In 1996/7 he was good, but, like Dorian did from 1992 to 1993, and Ronnie himself did from 2002 to 2003, he made HUGE improvements. Like night and day.
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Ronnie would have smoke Dorian anyday of the week in 1995/1996 if he were in his 1998/1999 condition. Hell, Dorian was the one armed man again. How was he going to beat a guy his bodyweight with better lines, arms, chest, shoulders and an equal back. As I have said before ND, in 1993 Dorian looked really good. However, he never achieved that level of conditioning or package again. Ronnie in 2003 was twenty pounds heavier than Dorian ever was in shape and on the stage. If you recal, he looked pretty damn good. Could Dorian have touch this, I think not. BTW, I am not a huge Ronnie fan. My favorite has always been Haney and I liked Levrone a lot. Dorian I respected and thought was a cool cat, but his shape left a lot to be desired.
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Yes ND, he certainly looked out of condition and fat at that show.....LMAO.
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How was he going to beat a guy his bodyweight with better lines, arms, chest, shoulders and an equal back.
you forgot better quads, taper, vascularity and striations ;)
ND seems to be the only person left on the planet who still thinks that Ronnie would loose to Dorian if they competed when they were both in shape and in top form.
after reviewing the evidence, the case is pretty much closed for just about everyone.
ND just needs to open is eyes and loose the ronnie-hate.
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dorain is good but no ronnie......p.s. his gut is horrible
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you are underestimating the power of conditioning. And you are ignoring muscle refinement.
For example, comparing Ronnie's back in 1996 or 1997 to his back in 1998 or 1999 is laughable.
1997:
1998:
this is more than just conditioning. It is also added muscle. I don't believe that Ronnie was near his ideal bodyweight of 250 pounds in 1996/7. If I recall, he was more like 235-238.
Lets compare quads.
1996:
1999:
again, 1999 looks much, much better.
Ronnie made a big leap in 98/99. it should be obvious by looking at the pics. In 1996/7 he was good, but, like Dorian did from 1992 to 1993, and Ronnie himself did from 2002 to 2003, he made HUGE improvements. Like night and day.
Nice try he was 235 -238 back in 97 , hell Flex was competing in the 235lb range and he is bigger than Flex in those pics , and those 99 Grand Prox pics compare well with the 96 NOC pics , I don't see a much imrpoved Ronnie in those pics , it looks like he is in about the same condition
And the back pics from 98 vs 97 if you mean Ron improved by having a bigger ass I agree with you ;) and look at the 98 Coleman back pics compared to the one of Yates , he still doesn't have any edge on em , with the exception of biceps , Dorian's back is still thicker and his lowerback is shredded and Ron's isn't , Dorian has the edge in thickness & density , so you've gained NO ground in your argument , and it doesn't matter if everyone on this board agrees with you , you think an extra 10lbs and better condition would trun it in Ronnie favor , you need more than that !! and I don't mean a 2003 GH Gut either lol
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I hate that straight arm pose...I think it has to be one of the lamest poses they do.
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ND, you are sad. You are definitely in the minority of three people or so on this whole board who idolizes Yates above all else. Dude looked good one time. If Haney would have continued competing, Dorian would have one Sandow (1993). After his arm tear, his body became a walking disaster. Unfortunately, the judges gave the reigning champ the nod, but anyone with eyes could see he was way overrated. Ronnie after 1998 crushed him. You continue to drone on and on about Dorian's thickness and graininess. Why is it if that were the case he brought that package to the Mr. Olympia in less than 30 percent of his victories. Once again, dude went downhill fast. Yeah, he looks really bad here....LMAO.
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ND, you are sad. You are definitely in the minority of three people or so on this whole board who idolizes Yates above all else. Dude looked good one time. If Haney would have continued competing, Dorian would have one Sandow (1993). After his arm tear, his body became a walking disaster. Unfortunately, the judges gave the reigning champ the nod, but anyone with eyes could see he was way overrated. Ronnie after 1998 crushed him. You continue to drone on and on about Dorian's thickness and graininess. Why is it if that were the case he brought that package to the Mr. Olympia in less than 30 percent of his victories. Once again, dude went downhill fast. Yeah, he looks really bad here....LMAO.
This is a 'post tear' pic of Dorian at the 1995 Olympia and he crushed Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Nasser, Baker, Coleman, Francois, and Clairmont that day! He was NOT overated.
(http://www.fitplus.cz/allpic/mf/f_164.jpg)
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(http://www.fitplus.cz/allpic/mf/f_164.jpg)
not overrated? here is a 6 time Mr. Olympia who has quads that are as smooth as a baby's bottom. Look at the pic! And you have ND going on about how great his legs are ::) Most national competitors have better quads (and arms), (and taper) and...
the guy was as overrated as one could possibly get.
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dorian's overratedness only got worse AFTER his tear.
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dorian's overratedness only got worse AFTER his tear.
What happened to his quad detail in that pic? ???
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What happened to his quad detail in that pic? ???
he never had any.
more ND propaganda.
ND is keeping the myth that dorian was amazing alive.
ronnie with his huge advantage in overall detail (arms, quads, delts, hams, hell, even triceps (ronnie's were at least striated) etc, would take dorian without too much trouble in my opinion.
People have tried to use the flawed argument that because Flex lost to dorian (while having more detail) ronnie would too.
but this is totally wrong because :
1. Ronnie had width on Yates' level.
2. Ronnie had mass on Yates' leve.
IN ADDITION to more detail.
Flex never had the mass or width to stand next to dorian and avoid being dwarfed.
Ronnie could easily. It would not be that close in my opinion for this reason.
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Monster bicep in that most muscular....don't arms count for a little nowadays. ;D
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Monster bicep in that most muscular....don't arms count for a little nowadays. ;D
Brutal gap between his biceps and forearm ;D
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ND, you are sad. You are definitely in the minority of three people or so on this whole board who idolizes Yates above all else. Dude looked good one time. If Haney would have continued competing, Dorian would have one Sandow (1993). After his arm tear, his body became a walking disaster. Unfortunately, the judges gave the reigning champ the nod, but anyone with eyes could see he was way overrated. Ronnie after 1998 crushed him. You continue to drone on and on about Dorian's thickness and graininess. Why is it if that were the case he brought that package to the Mr. Olympia in less than 30 percent of his victories. Once again, dude went downhill fast. Yeah, he looks really bad here....LMAO.
colemans rear double biceps looks flat as a pancake. This picture reminds me of Nasser.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76096 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76096)
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Yates doesn't appear to have biceps in the rear double bi. :P
Here's some help in finding Ron's bis:
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colemans rear double biceps looks flat as a pancake. This picture reminds me of Nasser.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76096 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76096)
maybe you should try a pic where Ronnie is flexing.
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1991-mr-olympia-pictures/4.jpg)
if only dorian's waist were smaller
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1991-mr-olympia-pictures/5.jpg)
dorian showing off his fantastic calves and "thigh rods".
His legs looked great from the side, but lost all impressiveness when they were viewed in the normal head on position.
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Damn, Sonny Schmidt looked better from the front than Yates. He has an awesome taper and incredible legs. Haney just crushes Yates. To this day, the best looking bodybuilder ever from the front and one of the best ever from back. Awesome. Look at that waist on a 250+ pound guy. You will never see that type of physique again with today's GH guts. Even Yates had a decent waist then, but you can tell his obliques which eventually got ridiculously large had the tendency to grow. I was at that show from less than twenty rows away and it was Haney and everyone else. It is laughable that Yates beat him in the muscularity round.
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What the entire contest... you'll see why he the muscularity round.
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he never had any.
more ND propaganda.
ND is keeping the myth that dorian was amazing alive.
ronnie with his huge advantage in overall detail (arms, quads, delts, hams, hell, even triceps (ronnie's were at least striated) etc, would take dorian without too much trouble in my opinion.
People have tried to use the flawed argument that because Flex lost to dorian (while having more detail) ronnie would too.
but this is totally wrong because :
1. Ronnie had width on Yates' level.
2. Ronnie had mass on Yates' leve.
IN ADDITION to more detail.
Flex never had the mass or width to stand next to dorian and avoid being dwarfed.
Ronnie could easily. It would not be that close in my opinion for this reason.
I love how you go on about how easy Ronnie would beat Yates lol first of all he just varely beat a less than ideal Flex , by just 3 points !! if Flex was on for that show Ronnie would have been 2nd , so if he could just barely manage to beat a less than stella Flex your rational that he would easily beat a prime condition Yates is just plain retarded , if we were to entertain the possiblity that Ronnie could beat Yates it would one , be anything but easy , especially considering Dorian dominated a much sharper Flex in 93 and Ronnie won because Flex fucked-up , so your assesment of a Coleman-cakewalk is pure fantasy
I love how you hop on Dorian's flaws or precieved flaws are cling to them for dear life , that they would some way vindicate Ronnie its laughable , for every flaw you can find ( or make-up ) on Yates I can counter with Ronnie , so thats a moot point on both our parts , what matters is at thier best who would look best in the mandatory poses , and Yates would win most of them , well give Ronnie the front & rear biceps shows ( because I'm being kind ) and Yates would just destroy him every other shot , period . and for a Coleman fan to call Yates overrated is ironic because your hero has had more close calls , lost while a Mr Olympia , has progressively gotten worse with each outing , and has faced medicore competitors for most of his career , hs the biggest gut of ANY of the 10 Mr Olympias by far !! so who is really overrated??
Anyway its all internet nonsense on both our parts and frankly most of the board is sick of it .
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I love how you go on about how easy Ronnie would beat Yates lol first of all he just varely beat a less than ideal Flex , by just 3 points !! if Flex was on for that show Ronnie would have been 2nd , so if he could just barely manage to beat a less than stella Flex your rational that he would easily beat a prime condition Yates is just plain retarded , if we were to entertain the possiblity that Ronnie could beat Yates it would one , be anything but easy , especially considering Dorian dominated a much sharper Flex in 93 and Ronnie won because Flex fucked-up , so your assesment of a Coleman-cakewalk is pure fantasy
I love how you hop on Dorian's flaws or precieved flaws are cling to them for dear life , that they would some way vindicate Ronnie its laughable , for every flaw you can find ( or make-up ) on Yates I can counter with Ronnie , so thats a moot point on both our parts , what matters is at thier best who would look best in the mandatory poses , and Yates would win most of them , well give Ronnie the front & rear biceps shows ( because I'm being kind ) and Yates would just destroy him every other shot , period . and for a Coleman fan to call Yates overrated is ironic because your hero has had more close calls , lost while a Mr Olympia , has progressively gotten worse with each outing , and has faced medicore competitors for most of his career , hs the biggest gut of ANY of the 10 Mr Olympias by far !! so who is really overrated??
Anyway its all internet nonsense on both our parts and frankly most of the board is sick of it .
If the board is so sick of it then why don't you shut the f**k up
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I love how you go on about how easy Ronnie would beat Yates lol first of all he just varely beat a less than ideal Flex , by just 3 points !! if Flex was on for that show Ronnie would have been 2nd , so if he could just barely manage to beat a less than stella Flex your rational that he would easily beat a prime condition Yates is just plain retarded , if we were to entertain the possiblity that Ronnie could beat Yates it would one , be anything but easy , especially considering Dorian dominated a much sharper Flex in 93 and Ronnie won because Flex fucked-up , so your assesment of a Coleman-cakewalk is pure fantasy
I love how you hop on Dorian's flaws or precieved flaws are cling to them for dear life , that they would some way vindicate Ronnie its laughable , for every flaw you can find ( or make-up ) on Yates I can counter with Ronnie , so thats a moot point on both our parts , what matters is at thier best who would look best in the mandatory poses , and Yates would win most of them , well give Ronnie the front & rear biceps shows ( because I'm being kind ) and Yates would just destroy him every other shot , period . and for a Coleman fan to call Yates overrated is ironic because your hero has had more close calls , lost while a Mr Olympia , has progressively gotten worse with each outing , and has faced medicore competitors for most of his career , hs the biggest gut of ANY of the 10 Mr Olympias by far !! so who is really overrated??
Anyway its all internet nonsense on both our parts and frankly most of the board is sick of it .
Ronnie>Dorian
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I love how you go on about how easy Ronnie would beat Yates lol first of all he just varely beat a less than ideal Flex , by just 3 points !! if Flex was on for that show Ronnie would have been 2nd , so if he could just barely manage to beat a less than stella Flex your rational that he would easily beat a prime condition Yates is just plain retarded , if we were to entertain the possiblity that Ronnie could beat Yates it would one , be anything but easy , especially considering Dorian dominated a much sharper Flex in 93 and Ronnie won because Flex fucked-up , so your assesment of a Coleman-cakewalk is pure fantasy
I love how you hop on Dorian's flaws or precieved flaws are cling to them for dear life , that they would some way vindicate Ronnie its laughable , for every flaw you can find ( or make-up ) on Yates I can counter with Ronnie , so thats a moot point on both our parts , what matters is at thier best who would look best in the mandatory poses , and Yates would win most of them , well give Ronnie the front & rear biceps shows ( because I'm being kind ) and Yates would just destroy him every other shot , period . and for a Coleman fan to call Yates overrated is ironic because your hero has had more close calls , lost while a Mr Olympia , has progressively gotten worse with each outing , and has faced medicore competitors for most of his career , hs the biggest gut of ANY of the 10 Mr Olympias by far !! so who is really overrated??
Anyway its all internet nonsense on both our parts and frankly most of the board is sick of it .
I think it's cool when people don't stop propagating their point of view when they know it's right. Why not? Whichever one of you guys stops being stubborn first will definitely have lost!
P.S. Yates beat Flex and Ray on size and conditioning, certainly not proportions. Ronnie has Yates on size and although he isn't quite carved out of granite like Yates his ass could grate a nutmeg and he has more veins and fullness than some kind of veiny house. I would personally say his shape is a million times better too. Ronnie's sheer size and shape and ass would beat Yates' flat but solid injury fest.
P.P.S. Those pre-contest b/w photos of Yates are seriously great shots and it is hard to find single shots of Ronnie which are as good, though they do exist, but on stage it's a different story.
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well give Ronnie the front & rear biceps shows ( because I'm being kind )
no, its not because you are being kind. Its because if you were to say otherwise you would look like an idiot.
We have all shown you time after time that Yates rear double bi and front double bi are not as good as Ronnie's.
Rear lat spread, sure thats debatable.
But not the double bi shots . Just look at some of the pics on this thread.
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bluecolemanbacks.jpg)
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Haney just crushes Yates. To this day, the best looking bodybuilder ever from the front and one of the best ever from back. Awesome. Look at that waist on a 250+ pound guy.
In that case, these pics are very misleading-Haney showing once again glaring imbalance with the torso overpowering so-so arms & mediocre legs, & has an odd shape. Yates kills him on thighs & calves. Yates looks better, actually.
Haney isn't in the same sentence with the elite, from any angle-Ron, Sergio, Arnold. Excellent 2nd tier guy, right there with Yates..
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Dorian "no bis" Yates...
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Dorian "no bis" Yates...
Bwahahahahaha..... ;D I hope Narcissistic Deity doesn't see this ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76368;image)
Yates and Sonny's thighs are much more in proportion to their upper body's than Haney's were at that contest. His upper body totally overpowered his lower body.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76368;image)
Yates and Sonny's thighs are much more in proportion to their upper body's than Haney's were at that contest. His upper body totally overpowered his lower body.
Haney does look a bit like a cartoon character there.
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No bis? lol
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His biceps were good not great but not poor !!
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His biceps weren't good, they were mediocre ::)
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Inner bis look solid. Outer bis from behind or in most muscular, are putrid.
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93 again
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His biceps weren't good, they were mediocre ::)
Nope that would be Dickerson's biceps !! ;)
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Nope that would be Dickerson's biceps !! ;)
No, that would be Dorian's biceps ;D. When you look at a variety of pictures of them, not just a few where they look good, you can see that they were average at best.
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Nope not bad at all
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How about this !! ;) ;)
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Where's da beef? :D
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Hell even post tear in 95 they were still good although one was shorter
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How can you guys say Dorian was overated? Some of His closest competition from the 90's said he was unbeatable! Thats coming from Flex, Levrone, and Dillet! Nasser even said Yates was superior (with better back and overall conditioning). Even after Coleman won the 1998 Olympia he said that if Yates competed that Yates would have won (he said Yates was too big)
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Good enough's kind of boring. How about jaw-dropping..
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How can you guys say Dorian was overated? Some of His closest competition from the 90's said he was unbeatable! Thats coming from Flex, Levrone, and Dillet! Nasser even said Yates was superior. Even after Coleman won the 1998 Olympia he said that if Yates competed that Yates would have won (he said Yates was too big)
We're saying he was overrated based on pictures of what he looked like. He looked less than impressive in many poses.
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Good enough's kind of boring. How about jaw-dropping..
as with yates by 1996, coleman mania got old by 2000 (fans started to hate)
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Good enough's kind of boring. How about jaw-dropping..
No arguing that Ronnie's biceps are just mindblowing !!
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No arguing that Ronnie's biceps are just mindblowing !!
And I have to give Dorian credit for conditioning. Has his hardness ever been matched? If it was caused by a drug, why didn't others take it?
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Only a few are in the same sentence with Yates' density; Robby had even more and Haney was right there.
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Are you saying Robbie Robinson and Lee Haney looked as hard as Dorian? ???
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as with yates by 1996, coleman mania got old by 2000 (fans started to hate)
credit must be given to Ronnie, since he earned most of those fans back (and gained a lot of new ones) with his astounding 2003 "comeback".
(http://www.geocities.com/ronniecolemantr/image/Ronnie_Coleman_35.jpg)
even his worst pose looks pretty good, thanks to those unreal quads :o
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we are saying dorian was overrated because he won solely based on physical size not quality.
Quality is where suffered:
-poor quads from the front
-average arms, poor from the back
-poor taper in the symmetry round (see the 92 pic I just posted)
-even his famous back revealed a not-so-great rear double biceps pose
-wide waist
-few striations (except for lower back)
-not very vascular (sorry, but this does add impressiveness to the arms especially)
-poor delt shape
-only average chest
What you have is a Mr. O. who won because:
-he was a whole lot larger than his nearest competitors
-he had great calves
-he had good abs at one time
-he had great lats.
A 6 time Mr. O. should be a whole lot more than that.
When comparing him to Ronnie at his best, Ronnie has the size AND the quality to go with it:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
dorian was a Mr. O. with mediocre arms, chest and quads when viewed from the front. Sorry, but pics like this do not lie - if he had super impressive chest, arms and delts, this pose would look a whole lot better.
The most muscular highlights upper body flaws.
Or, if you have them, upper body strengths.
sorry if this is being harsh, but most shots of Dorian do not impress me like you would expect to be impressed by a 6 time Mr. O.
hence, why I believe he was overrated.
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we are saying dorian was overrated because he won solely based on physical size not quality.
Quality is where suffered:
-poor quads from the front
-average arms, poor from the back
-poor taper in the symmetry round (see the 92 pic I just posted)
-even his famous back revealed a not-so-great rear double biceps pose
-wide waist
-few striations (except for lower back)
-not very vascular (sorry, but this does add impressiveness to the arms especially)
-poor delt shape
-only average chest
What you have is a Mr. O. who won because:
-he was a whole lot larger than his nearest competitors
-he had great calves
-he had good abs at one time
-he had great lats.
A 6 time Mr. O. should be a whole lot more than that.
When comparing him to Ronnie at his best, Ronnie has the size AND the quality to go with it:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
dorian was a Mr. O. with mediocre arms, chest and quads when viewed from the front. Sorry, but pics like this do not lie - if he had super impressive chest, arms and delts, this pose would look a whole lot better.
The most muscular highlights upper body flaws.
Or, if you have them, upper body strengths.
sorry if this is being harsh, but most shots of Dorian do not impress me like you would expect to be impressed by a 6 time Mr. O.
hence, why I believe he was overrated.
Excellent post. It sums everything up nicely.
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Excellent post. It sums everything up nicely.
I have been formulating my thesis for a few years now 8)
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I have been formulating my thesis for a few years now 8)
Unfortunately, so has Narcissistic Deity ;D
I laughed when I saw "ND's credibility is dead" ;D
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but ND's thesis is full of incorrect, forged data that has no basis in reality 8)
all you have to do is look.
sure, dorian has okay arms when he is by himself (as all the pics that ND posted of his biceps are).
But when he stands next to people onstage, then you realize how bad they really are (eg. Flea Labrada has better arms!)
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I have been formulating my thesis for a few years now 8)
Keep working on it !!
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but ND's thesis is full of incorrect, forged data that has no basis in reality 8)
all you have to do is look.
sure, dorian has okay arms when he is by himself (as all the pics that ND posted of his biceps are).
But when he stands next to people onstage, then you realize how bad they really are (eg. Flea Labrada has better arms!)
Who coined the term "Flea Labrada" anyway? That one also makes me laugh. ;D
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but ND's thesis is full of incorrect, forged data that has no basis in reality 8)
all you have to do is look.
sure, dorian has okay arms when he is by himself (as all the pics that ND posted of his biceps are).
But when he stands next to people onstage, then you realize how bad they really are (eg. Flea Labrada has better arms!)
Yawn
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Who coined the term "Flea Labrada" anyway? That one also makes me laugh. ;D
Lee Haney did .
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Lee Haney did .
I see that among his other excellent qualities, he also has a sense of humor. After all, he must know that Lee came close to defeating him :o
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I see that among his other excellent qualities, he also has a sense of humor. After all, he must know that Lee came close to defeating him :o
Not according to him lol in his book he didn't veiw Labrada as a threat in 1990 .
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Not according to him lol in his book he didn't veiw Labrada as a threat in 1990 .
What is your opinion? That contest was a little before my time.
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What is your opinion? That contest was a little before my time.
Haney was off no question about it and Labrada looked excellent it could have went either way .
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Haney was off no question about it and Labrada looked excellent it could have went either way .
Wouldn't it have been like Shawn Ray beating Dorian Yates? ???
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Ronnie's massive arms
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Ronnie's massive arms
Monster biceps :o
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Ronnie's arms dwarf Gunter
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Ronnie's arms dwarf Gunter
Amen, brother ;D
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Excellent post. It sums everything up nicely.
I have been formulating my thesis for a few years now
From here on in, just copy & paste former posts. ;D
Ronnie's arms dwarf Gunter
To those who claim Gunter's got enough size (not): his arms should dwarf Ron's, not the other way 'round.. ::)
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From here on in, just copy & paste former posts. ;D
To those who claim Gunter's got enough size (not): his arms should dwarf Ron's, not the other way 'round.. ::)
Gunter has size, but obviously not enough ;D
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Gunter has size, but obviously not enough ;D
Jay has better arms
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Jay has better arms
Did you photoshop Gunter's forearms? :-\
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Did you photoshop Gunter's forearms? :-\
Nope.. that photo is legit
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i thought this was a mr.o 92 thread?
labrada was best in 91 and 92.
total-lee ripped off. i was there and have the videos as well. Momo wasnt even close, his wide waist and some weird structure ruined him. He was at his best when he won the NOC against Doz....check those pics for back density and definition.
peace.
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gunter's phsyique flows better than jay's and RCs. it's not classical x frame, but all the pieces fit well, plus he is a big mo fo.
whilst standing relaxed and in compulsory poses Gunter's physique is harder to pic for balance, symmetry and proportion issues.
Jay's and Rons are easy to find....and so forth.
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gunter's phsyique flows better than jay's and RCs. it's not classical x frame, but all the pieces fit well, plus he is a big mo fo.
whilst standing relaxed and in compulsory poses Gunter's physique is harder to pic for balance, symmetry and proportion issues.
Jay's and Rons are easy to find....and so forth.
Are you forgetting the ab/thigh pose? ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76414;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76413;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76430;image)
awesome! :o