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Excellent video and every bit of it is TRUE! It was a scam from day 1. Just a way to make money. Jones machines are/were great and i have several in my home gym. ( pullover being one of them I had two but sold one a couple years ago) I wish I got paid that much for every pound of muscle. I would drop 40 lbs asap and then gain it asap. Casey made more from that "experiment" Than any other bodybuilder made in a year all the way up to the late 70s. It was a scam to make money and Mentzer used it to make money as well. He did NOT train like he preached ( when he trained )
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If it was a scam, how far apart in time do you believe the “before and after” pics actually were?
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Kim Wood told me Viator didnt use steroids for this, but as always I question that.
His Brother Tom shadowed Viator everywhere during that month, but I'm pretty sure he didnt follow him into the Biden shitter...
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It's just so ridiculous, even as a credulous teen I learned this was BS. Yet still it's pushed decades later.
Didn't Casey have am injury also from like slicing his finger or something as part of the reason he lost all that size?
There is no magic, except the magic that exists in falling in love with the iron.
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A scam because they were lying about EVERYTHING. Yes he gained the weight/size. But it was regained size. Plus he had an infection. was in the hospital. Plus he dieted down to a very low weight on PURPOSE. Then when he ate like a bodybuilder should he blew back up. The training of course helped. BUT Casey himself ADMITTED ( I would have to go back through all the mags I have to find it) that he did in fact do much much more than jones said/wanted him to. AND he admitted he also took steroids. The man was getting paid by the pounds he could put on So yes it was a scam. PERIOD. Besides where are all these "hit" guys at now days? IF hit was so great every single bodybuilder on the planet would be doing it. We ALL want the biggest fastest gains right? But yet no one has been winning contests saying they trained "hit" or "heavy duty" or whatever you want to call it.
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Yes Casey was working on an oil rig at sea and had to have a finger amputated. ( I think he fell from a high spot on the rig) He got a major life threatening infection and had to have the finger removed. Then they decided to do this scam. The industry is all about SCAMMING a persons money away from them . If people really knew the truth about all these scams ( supplements, courses, foods drinks "almost" steroids etc ) they wouldn't buy anything. They push stuff to make money. It is hard to convince a lot of these people that probably 90 % of what they read or buy is worthless. Eat food train hard train often take a multi vitamin and that's it Oh wait . TAKE STEROIDS TOO! lol
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If it was a scam, how far apart in time do you believe the “before and after” pics actually were?
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They claimed he lost 7 pounds(3.17kg) of fat and didn't take steroids during the "experiment".
Then why is his face so gaunt in the before photo yet so bloated in the after. If he added 20.25 lbs (9.18 kg) of muscle and lost 7 pounds of fat, he would be ripped to shreds in the after pic.
What accounts for a bloated fatter-looking face in the after image where he had 7 LESS pounds of fat, and claims he wasn't taking drugs, which could bloat his face...
He doesn't look like he has 7 founds of fat to lose in the before. His face should look even gaunter in the after pics with 7 less pounds of fat. With less fat and more muscle, his bodyfat % would have gone way down in the second pic yet he doesn't appear to have any more definition. He's even flexing his quads in the second one, tightening up his abs, and sticking his lats out, and has more contrasting lighting which would highlight definition better.
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The Jones Colorado scam was the 1st "Cybergenics"... Some scams were earlier in Muscle Mags, many followed suit later, and still do today...
After all we know, people still fall for them (More Plates / Dates "Bunk Turk", etc)...
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They claimed he lost 7 pounds(3.17kg) of fat and didn't take steroids during the "experiment".
Then why is his face so gaunt in the before photo yet so bloated in the after. If he added 20.25 lbs (9.18 kg) of muscle and lost 7 pounds of fat, he would be ripped to shreds in the after pic.
What accounts for a bloated fatter-looking face in the after image where he had 7 LESS pounds of fat, and claims he wasn't taking drugs, which could bloat his face...
He doesn't look like he has 7 founds of fat to lose in the before. His face should look even gaunter in the after pics with 7 less pounds of fat. With less fat and more muscle, his bodyfat % would have gone way down in the second pic yet he doesn't appear to have any more definition. He's even flexing his quads in the second one, tightening up his abs, and sticking his lats out, and has more contrasting lighting which would highlight definition better.
I bet that he regained 20LB of actual muscle tissue
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about 20LB of water bloat
= 40LB of “lean” weight gain
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I bet that he regained 20LB of actual muscle tissue
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about 20LB of water bloat
= 40LB of “lean” weight gain
IN a month, highly unlikely... 40 lbs of fluid I would guess... Expanding any muscle tissue he had.
The guys are just water baloons, that get filled and drained...
Rick Valenti lost close to 30 lbs of water overnight pissing, when he went cold turkey off the gear.
Ron Partlow tells a similar story of 17 lbs lost one night pissing...
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The Jones Colorado scam was the 1st "Cybergenics"... Some scams were earlier in Muscle Mags, many followed suit later, and still do today...
After all we know, people still fall for them (More Plates / Dates "Bunk Turk", etc)...
Which reminds me, can anyone post a scan of one of those old full page cybergenic ads?
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Which reminds me, can anyone post a scan of one of those old full page cybergenic ads?
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Thank you very much. Much appreciated!
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Did any getbiggers splurge on the 180-day kit?
My favorite is the supplement administered with the rubber dropper :D
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Did any getbiggers splurge on the 180-day kit?
My favorite is the supplement administered with the rubber dropper :D
Wasn't Smilax a dropper?
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IN a month, highly unlikely... 40 lbs of fluid I would guess... Expanding any muscle tissue he had.
The guys are just water baloons, that get filled and drained...
Rick Valenti lost close to 30 lbs of water overnight pissing, when he went cold turkey off the gear.
Ron Partlow tells a similar story of 17 lbs lost one night pissing...
Pure bullshit, unless close to 30 pounds is 17 pounds (which is also probably an exaggeration, but within the realm of the possible) and the result of lots of Lasix.
Cybergenics and the Colorado Experiment show people will believe anything
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It does look like Casey added a lot of mass to his quads and calves
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Muscle memory,food/fluids,training,and gear !!
Did anyone ever actually believe this BS ?
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I wonder how many know Arthur Jones himself was part of the Colorado experiment too. I think he started at something like 145lbs. He dropped out quick citing illness leaving just Viator to do the experiment.
I think we have all seen zero's go to hero's in about 4 to 6 weeks using steroids. It's not hard to believe that Viator after having the infection and having his finger amputated gained his weight back on the juice.
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Guys are still crying about this ;D
Just treat it as a funny/entertaining event in bodybuilding history.
It's no different to Arnold claiming to pump so hard that he orgasms.
It was better for kids to believe in these lies than jumping on 1000mg a week at the earliest opportunity.
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Guys are still crying about this ;D
Just treat it as a funny/entertaining event in bodybuilding history.
It's no different to Arnold claiming to pump so hard that he orgasms.
It was better for kids to believe in these lies than jumping on 1000mg a week at the earliest opportunity.
Good post
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It does look like Casey added a lot of mass to his quads and calves
Viator had fresh receptors throughout his legs
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Yes Casey was working on an oil rig at sea and had to have a finger amputated. ( I think he fell from a high spot on the rig) He got a major life threatening infection and had to have the finger removed. Then they decided to do this scam. The industry is all about SCAMMING a persons money away from them . If people really knew the truth about all these scams ( supplements, courses, foods drinks "almost" steroids etc ) they wouldn't buy anything. They push stuff to make money. It is hard to convince a lot of these people that probably 90 % of what they read or buy is worthless. Eat food train hard train often take a multi vitamin and that's it Oh wait . TAKE STEROIDS TOO! lol
Can't determine Casey had only 4 fingers on either hand in the pics, therefore clearly not debunked.
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Viator had fresh receptors throughout his legs
Receptors got clean, and the experiment got dirty
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This is one of the reasons the Mentzer cult that persists today is so irritating. Not only is his heavy duty a horse shit scam. It's a rip off of an older horse shit scam. Not once, ever, in the 50 years since the Colorado Experiment have the results been reproduced. Not once. Jones even had Both Mentzer bros and Boyer Coe going through the routines, filming and documenting progress, sets, reps etc... and nothing. Three of the top bodybuilders in the world weren't making gains and they had to scrap the project before completion and gave a load of excuses. FFS according to Jones they only had to go through 8 workouts. You mean to tell me you can't film 8 fucking workouts? They had the studio, they had the plan, they had the 'atheletes.' And produced nada.
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Receptors got clean, and the experiment got dirty
I hate this Royalty. I really do. I hate violence. That is why I had Casey do this, I could never do that man, I could never hold a knife to Arthur’s throat, he was my guru, man. But, Casey, he's like a mechanism. He's got this gift of blankness. Once you set him in motion, he will not stop. So, when three o'clock comes, he will gut him like a pig, and try not to get any on his lifting shoes and there is nothing I can do.
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I hate this Royalty. I really do. I hate violence. That is why I had Casey do this, I could never do that man, I could never hold a knife to Arthur’s throat, he was my guru, man. But, Casey, he's like a mechanism. He's got this gift of blankness. Once you set him in motion, he will not stop. So, when three o'clock comes, he will gut him like a pig, and try not to get any on his lifting shoes and there is nothing I can do.
So that makes Arthur and Casey partners, doesn't it? Because now they both have the same goal... to get them where they need to go. Right?
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I hate this Royalty. I really do. I hate violence. That is why I had Casey do this, I could never do that man, I could never hold a knife to Arthur’s throat, he was my guru, man. But, Casey, he's like a mechanism. He's got this gift of blankness. Once you set him in motion, he will not stop. So, when three o'clock comes, he will gut him like a pig, and try not to get any on his lifting shoes and there is nothing I can do.
So that makes Arthur and Casey partners, doesn't it? Because now they both have the same goal... to get them where they need to go. Right?
WELL DONE
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We all know what became of Jones
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So that makes Arthur and Casey partners, doesn't it? Because now they both have the same goal... to get them where they need to go. Right?
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;D
Megalodon swoops in out of nowhere... and unexpectedly drops an absolute gem on us
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I wonder how many know Arthur Jones himself was part of the Colorado experiment too. I think he started at something like 145lbs. He dropped out quick citing illness leaving just Viator to do the experiment.
I think we have all seen zero's go to hero's in about 4 to 6 weeks using steroids. It's not hard to believe that Viator after having the infection and having his finger amputated gained his weight back on the juice.
he "pulled a hankins"
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I wonder how many know Arthur Jones himself was part of the Colorado experiment too. I think he started at something like 145lbs. He dropped out quick citing illness leaving just Viator to do the experiment.
I think we have all seen zero's go to hero's in about 4 to 6 weeks using steroids. It's not hard to believe that Viator after having the infection and having his finger amputated gained his weight back on the juice.
Classic symptoms of overtraining
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It does look like Casey added a lot of mass to his quads and calves
Did they have Photoshop in 1973?
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Classic symptoms of overtraining
that or cutting out peach cobbler for 48 hours.
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that or cutting out peach cobbler for 48 hours.
You ever seen Arthur Jones’ wife? Why eat cobbler when you can eat her sweet pussy ???
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So that makes Arthur and Casey partners, doesn't it? Because now they both have the same goal... to get them where they need to go. Right?
What's the reference?
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Besides where are all these "hit" guys at now days? IF hit was so great every single bodybuilder on the planet would be doing it. We ALL want the biggest fastest gains right? But yet no one has been winning contests saying they trained "hit" or "heavy duty" or whatever you want to call it.
But if no one trained HIT then there never were any HITters.
I however think there is a fairly large difference between HIT and normal training. Think about this: lots of bodybuilders, many at pro level, have tried "HIT" but if most bodynbuilders train alike with several pyraminding to one or two failure sets, does that mean they changed nothing? Why would many say it was too taxing to do on a regular basis. Some mentioned injury risk too, but the complaints were usually about how tough it was. So there is a difference no doubt.
Today Dorian says he would have trained less than he did which was 3-4 days a week. He would also do only 5 minutes of cardio a day at a higher intrnsity.
Look at this You think Chris went this hard all the time while at Venice? For example @ 6:00
Chris would have quit when he had at least 2 more reps left if he wasn't "forced" lol
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What's the reference?
He referenced Point Break. After Johnny Utah was discovered to be an FBI agent, Bodhi had Utah’s girlfriend kidnapped. Like Utah, Bodhi didn’t want the girl to be harmed. But Bodhi had his “associate” handle the kidnapping job. Bodhi’s associate had no guilt or remorse. Bodhi likened himself to being Utah’s “partner”, in order to do what needed to be done to keep the girlfriend alive.
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Bro...
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You ever seen Arthur Jones’ wife? Why eat cobbler when you can eat her sweet pussy ???
Which wife? He had several of them.
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Which wife? He had several of them.
Terry was quite hot...
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Pic from 2016
Wood still hit!! (W/ wood)...
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he "pulled a Wes"
Fixed !
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Terry was quite hot...
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Tits look great there
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It is easy to add 40lbs in 30 days if you cut 40lbs to start the real experiment would be what can you add to that the next 30 days.
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It is easy to add 40lbs in 30 days if you cut 40lbs to start the real experiment would be what can you add to that the next 30 days.
You could drop 40lb and gain it back in 2 weeks
Water diet 7 days then back on the junk food for 7 days and fill up on shit piss and food
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How crude was photoediting back then? Could they make a believable heavily edited pics? Those pics are somewhat poor quality too imo, they did have the technology to take very good pics.
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His belly button hole got bigger. That’s about it
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But if no one trained HIT then there never were any HITters.
I however think there is a fairly large difference between HIT and normal training. Think about this: lots of bodybuilders, many at pro level, have tried "HIT" but if most bodynbuilders train alike with several pyraminding to one or two failure sets, does that mean they changed nothing? Why would many say it was too taxing to do on a regular basis. Some mentioned injury risk too, but the complaints were usually about how tough it was. So there is a difference no doubt.
Today Dorian says he would have trained less than he did which was 3-4 days a week. He would also do only 5 minutes of cardio a day at a higher intrnsity.
Look at this You think Chris went this hard all the time while at Venice? For example @ 6:00
Chris would have quit when he had at least 2 more reps left if he wasn't "forced" lol
Dorian pushes his clients harder than he did in his blood and guts vid. The guy is full of sh!t.
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Did any getbiggers splurge on the 180-day kit?
My favorite is the supplement administered with the rubber dropper :D
I tried the watered-down version (Phase 1) back in high school. The training was way too intense for a relative beginner. Plus, using their formula to calculate how many calories you were supposed to eat was the ULTIMATE DISASTER. I knew instinctively that I need more food than their formula supposedly recommended for me (around 1800 calories or so). But, I followed the instructions anyway, and all I got was SORE and TIRED.
Looking back, had I eaten much more food, I may have achieved better results. I was too young to know at the time that you grow when you recover and rest, not just be beating yourself half to death in the gym.
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Danny Padilla said he tried both HIT and volume. He said he used heavy weights. I think the term he used that it was scary. Yes, to gear yourself up for failure every time with heavy weights becomes something to dread. He said he got way better results with volume.
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Danny Padilla said he tried both HIT and volume. He said he used heavy weights. I think the term he used that it was scary. Yes, to gear yourself up for failure every time with heavy weights becomes something to dread. He said he got way better results with volume.
Yes, it's psychologically draining to train that way. It also puts immense pressure on you to have a great workout every workout, actually, to have THE BEST workout ever with every workout. This is simply not possible. This is why people stop training altogether. Arthur Jones would workout hard for a month or so and then not train again for several years. Mentzer stopped training altogether for probably the last 2 decades of his life.
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Yes, it's psychologically draining to train that way. It also puts immense pressure on you to have a great workout every workout, actually, to have THE BEST workout ever with every workout. This is simply not possible. This is why people stop training altogether. Arthur Jones would workout hard for a month or so and then not train again for several years. Mentzer stopped training altogether for probably the last 2 decades of his life.
can you enlighten us to your source of information?
& please don´t say some old muscle mag .. ::)
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Dorian pushes his clients harder than he did in his blood and guts vid. The guy is full of sh!t.
being sick when exercising just means the blood has gone away from your stomach
It isnt anything really to do with intensity of effort
You can throw up with a quick burst of 30 seconds on a stationary bike
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being sick when exercising just means the blood has gone away from your stomach
It isnt anything really to do with intensity of effort
You can throw up with a quick burst of 30 seconds on a stationary bike
LMFAO ... stick to your cable training :D
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LMFAO ... stick to your cable training winning shows :D
no worries...
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no chest no worries...
OK :D
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His belly button hole got bigger. That’s about it
ILS got more severe too
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ILS got more severe too
Hair got longer, too.
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Randy Roach's take on it... He wrote some amazing iron-game books (while blind even)...
Muscle, Smoke & Mirrors...
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I’m pretty sure they switched the samples
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I’m pretty sure they switched the samples
Jones almost got away with it. I know all about it. I can prove it.
Arthur Jones falsified his research so that RDU-90 could be approved and Devlin MacGregor could give Casey Viator...Provasic
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After Lentz died Arthur Jones was the only one who had the access. He switched the samples, and the pathology reports!
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Hahaha!
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Over at Joe Roark's board they discussed Casey Viator's "finger amputation" and said he just lost the tip of a finger, not the whole finger and everything got exagerragted. I don't know either way, just putting that info out there.
Casey was detrained and off juice, the hopped back on steroids and muscle memory did the trick. It seems like people are forgetting how massive the guy was even at age 19. It's not like he gained fresh new mass during the "Colorado experiment." Then there's the tales of him doing extra volume training on his own, etc.
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Colorado Experiment:
Casey Viator’s daily lunch: Sandwich, Apple, Cheez-It’s
Casey Viator dinner: always at Medieval Times
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Over at Joe Roark's board they discussed Casey Viator's "finger amputation" and said he just lost the tip of a finger, not the whole finger and everything got exagerragted. I don't know either way, just putting that info out there.
Viator joined and posted there a bit for a little while... Grammar was poor, like an uneducated person..
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Colorado Experiment:
Casey Viator’s daily lunch: Sandwich, Apple, Cheez-It’s
Casey Viator dinner: always at Medieval Times
Hahaha!
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I talked with Viator and he stated his blood work was perfect when he last had it checked. He looked fat and bloated to me. I told him there is more to good health than blood work markers like blood pressure, fat markers and VO2. Sadly he died from a heart attack maybe a year or two later.
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I talked with Viator and he stated his blood work was perfect when he last had it checked. He looked fat and bloated to me. I told him there is more to good health than blood work markers like blood pressure, fat markers and VO2. Sadly he died from a heart attack maybe a year or two later.
Casey sure sounded like a strange guy. Apparently he was quite the party animal and liked rec drugs. But all his pictures he looks serious, reserved. Not alot of interviews with him.
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can you enlighten us to your source of information?
& please don´t say some old muscle mag .. ::)
Read any of his books if you know how.
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can you enlighten us to your source of information?
& please don´t say some old muscle mag .. ::)
That was sort of known in the industry, and it showed. He was a skinny old man who got into shape a few times...
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Donald Trump marches in the first ever Labor Day parade, New York - September 5th, 1882
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all the nay sayers on this thread make me laugh :D
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The Colorado Experiment 2019
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Viator joined and posted there a bit for a little while... Grammar was poor, like an uneducated person..
I was only there briefly and Casey wasn't and I remember one guy going pretty hard into Casey over the lost finger and the "Colorado experiment" both being really exaggerated. Now I have to go look through Casey Viator videos to see the missing finger Zapruder film style.
Scotty from Star Trek had a missing finger and I used to look for it in the episodes and caught it once!
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That was sort of known in the industry, and it showed. He was a skinny old man who got into shape a few times...
He was great at getting the girlz.
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The Colorado Experiment 2019
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And they still made no gains.
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And they still made no gains.
Yeah, dude has a nice gym, but looking at him, I dont think I'd be going to him for advices on "building muscles"...
I'd rather read the "muscle books" like when Louie was a little boy...