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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Chick on April 29, 2006, 08:47:36 PM
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh..not quite.
Talked to the big man just the other day, asked him about the rumour:
Quote: "f**k no...." QT
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Bob, will you be disclosing EVERY athlete's intentions on the boards?
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I've known QT for a long time and I think he's pretty loyal to the IFBB!!
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i just hope thid PDI and IFBB battle dosn't turn into a huge MESS .......
ps. .... Awesome showing at the masters Bob,that was an awesome show it was clear as day who was the winner too...that must be the best part...no dispute....and i think its awsoem what CMG and BB.com is doing....with all teh live shows that like the best thing since sliced bread for me...no better way to learn then watchin the best at work. one more thing....that reality show or w/e you wanna call it you had should have sequel.. ;)
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i just hope thid PDI and IFBB battle dosn't turn into a huge MESS
That is exactly what many southern plantation owners said back in 1860, then , about 1 year later....well as they say, it is history ;)
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Bob, will you be disclosing EVERY athlete's intentions on the boards?
Just the ones I see threads announcing their intentions from people other than themselves.
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Just the ones I see threads announcing their intentions from people other than themselves.
Thanks Chic, I think that Wayne D will have a very hard time making a go of it , if some established pros don't jump on baord, time will tell which way this is going, right now < I would say the PDI looks shortlived.
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Bob...what is your opinion on the whole pdi thing?I am interested to hear your point of view?
p.s . I am serious not being sarcastic.
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bob just wondering if u've concidered or are concidering on joining the pdi? Also do you know of any other pro's that are joining or thinking of joining the pdi?
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Bob, will you be disclosing EVERY athlete's intentions on the boards?
Bob, will you be disclosing EVERY athlete's intentions on the boards?
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Why ask Bob his opinion? He's a tool and the IFBB monkey boy. Ask someone who would give a fair and unbias point of view.
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Why ask Bob his opinion? He's a tool and the IFBB monkey boy. Ask someone who would give a fair and unbias point of view.
ughh...NO...I wanted to know his opinion.Someone else would give me their fair and balanced opinion...I was asking for Bob's.
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Thanks Chic, I think that Wayne D will have a very hard time making a go of it , if some established pros don't jump on baord, time will tell which way this is going, right now < I would say the PDI looks shortlived.
i'm going with the turtle in this contest
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Bob...what is your opinion on the whole pdi thing?I am interested to hear your point of view?
p.s . I am serious not being sarcastic.
Good question...
I think competition is Great for BB, and better for the Pro athletes in general. I have talked to Wayne, and know that hes not looking for any of the "top guys" to jump over...he's going after a different market. Will he succeed? Only time will tell.
I think theres a place for the "PDI", and have reccomended competing there for some athletes (don't ask who...you know I can't disclose that info.)
I do believe it's going to be tough to attract fans, as they want to see the best compete in ANY sport. If that wasn't the case...the natural shows would be packed. I'm not sure a "JV" division will pull in enough support to sustain the company for any length of time.
I wish Wayne the best, and hope the athletes are the ones to benefit in one way or another.
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Good question...
I think competition is Great for BB, and better for the Pro athletes in general. I have talked to Wayne, and know that hes not looking for any of the "top guys" to jump over...he's going after a different market. Will he succeed? Only time will tell.
I think theres a place for the "PDI", and have reccomended competing there for some athletes (don't ask who...you know I can't disclose that info.)
I do believe it's going to be tough to attract fans, as they want to see the best compete in ANY sport. If that wasn't the case...the natural shows would be packed. I'm not sure a "JV" division will pull in enough support to sustain the company for any length of time.
I wish Wayne the best, and hope the athletes are the ones to benefit in one way or another.
Bob owns again!
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I've known QT for a long time and I think he's pretty loyal to the IFBB!!
[/quote hes loyal to low placings
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I've known QT for a long time and I think he's pretty loyal to the IFBB!!
[/quote hes loyal to low placings
It is Sunday brother. God proclaimed this day as a day of rest.
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Good question...
I think competition is Great for BB, and better for the Pro athletes in general. I have talked to Wayne, and know that hes not looking for any of the "top guys" to jump over...he's going after a different market. Will he succeed? Only time will tell.
I think theres a place for the "PDI", and have reccomended competing there for some athletes (don't ask who...you know I can't disclose that info.)
I do believe it's going to be tough to attract fans, as they want to see the best compete in ANY sport. If that wasn't the case...the natural shows would be packed. I'm not sure a "JV" division will pull in enough support to sustain the company for any length of time.
I wish Wayne the best, and hope the athletes are the ones to benefit in one way or another.
Great job on this, Bob. I'm so happy that you are athletes rep!
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Yeah.... Rusty Jeffers
We've already gone over this on this site. Bob was the clear winner. Bob is Ironage perfection. Drill this into your head.
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Bob owns again!
you are a retard...what do you mean he owns? I asked a genuine question and he gave an honest answer.
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We've already gone over this on this site. Bob was the clear winner. Bob is Ironage perfection. Drill this into your head.
lay down the pipe... Everyone knows Rusty was the true winner
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Bob, how does it feel to know that your last show and the only one you "won" was a highway robbery of another athlete? Another question would be how does it feel to be an AMI whore?
Bob was the clear winner. There is no controversy. He looked better than the rest of the top 4 and deserved the victory.
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Good question...
I think competition is Great for BB, and better for the Pro athletes in general. I have talked to Wayne, and know that hes not looking for any of the "top guys" to jump over...he's going after a different market. Will he succeed? Only time will tell.
I think theres a place for the "PDI", and have reccomended competing there for some athletes (don't ask who...you know I can't disclose that info.)
I do believe it's going to be tough to attract fans, as they want to see the best compete in ANY sport. If that wasn't the case...the natural shows would be packed. I'm not sure a "JV" division will pull in enough support to sustain the company for any length of time.
I wish Wayne the best, and hope the athletes are the ones to benefit in one way or another.
Very well stated chick, but......
To say that the PDI is going to be comprised of jv athletes is closed minded at best. Everyone knows there are tons of great bodybuilders in Europe who are far better than many current IFBB pros. I will even go as far to say that I could have beaten half the competitors in last years new york pro. Yes, I know, these are the athletes you speak of, that should go to the PDI. Where I don't agree with you is that people won't come to see. People are sick of the same people, Ron, Jay(who by the way is a good freind and my idol). I apreciate your comments and the way you don't disrespect the PDI, but i also think your public opinion is schewed(SP?). Because of your affiliation with ifbb and such.
Let em ask you a question, should'nt athletes be able to compete in both? Why does the IFBB only recognize the NPC as it's only funnel? As you know the Nabba is dominant in Europe, well, anyway, just some thoughts.
Jack London
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Very well stated chick, but......
To say that the PDI is going to be comprised of jv athletes is closed minded at best. Everyone knows there are tons of great bodybuilders in Europe who are far better than many current IFBB pros. I will even go as far to say that I could have beaten half the competitors in last years new york pro. Yes, I know, these are the athletes you speak of, that should go to the PDI. Where I don't agree with you is that people won't come to see. People are sick of the same people, Ron, Jay(who by the way is a good freind and my idol). I apreciate your comments and the way you don't disrespect the PDI, but i also think your public opinion is schewed(SP?). Because of your affiliation with ifbb and such.
Let em ask you a question, should'nt athletes be able to compete in both? Why does the IFBB only recognize the NPC as it's only funnel? As you know the Nabba is dominant in Europe, well, anyway, just some thoughts.
Jack London
Great points, Jack!
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Very well stated chick, but......
To say that the PDI is going to be comprised of jv athletes is closed minded at best. Everyone knows there are tons of great bodybuilders in Europe who are far better than many current IFBB pros. I will even go as far to say that I could have beaten half the competitors in last years new york pro. Yes, I know, these are the athletes you speak of, that should go to the PDI. Where I don't agree with you is that people won't come to see. People are sick of the same people, Ron, Jay(who by the way is a good freind and my idol). I apreciate your comments and the way you don't disrespect the PDI, but i also think your public opinion is schewed(SP?). Because of your affiliation with ifbb and such.
Let em ask you a question, should'nt athletes be able to compete in both? Why does the IFBB only recognize the NPC as it's only funnel? As you know the Nabba is dominant in Europe, well, anyway, just some thoughts.
Jack London
Thanks for the reply, Jack....
I appreciate you recognizing that I haven't bashed/ disrespected the PDI (nor will I).
My point was that the half of the lineup you think you would have beaten at last years NY Pro, isn't the group the paying public was paying to see...they pay to see the names.
By perception isn't based on my affiliation with the IFBB, NPC, or any of the 25+ year friendships, associations I've built...it's based on simple economics and knowing what people are willing to pay for.
Much like there were some damn good athletes in the USFL, XFL, WCW, etc....the bottom line was the fans didn't embrace them, and didn't support them with their dollars.
There are some good athletes in Europe...that no one knows here, that no one knows anything about...the key would to try and create a fanbase with magazine exposure. Will the mags be receptive to showcasing athletes that don't live here on a reg basis? Will European sponsorship last for long with shows put on in the US?
There are a million questions that have yet to be answered...and the only way they will get answered is when the first PDI show takes place. Until then we can speculate all we want, and it's good fodder for the boards...thats about it.
I wish you the best my friend, hopefully this will work out for yourself and the other athletes involved.
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Thanks for the reply, Jack....
I appreciate you recognizing that I haven't bashed/ disrespected the PDI (nor will I).
My point was that the half of the lineup you think you would have beaten at last years NY Pro, isn't the group the paying public was paying to see...they pay to see the names.
By perception isn't based on my affiliation with the IFBB, NPC, or any of the 25+ year friendships, associations I've built...it's based on simple economics and knowing what people are willing to pay for.
Much like there were some damn good athletes in the USFL, XFL, WCW, etc....the bottom line was the fans didn't embrace them, and didn't support them with their dollars.
There are some good athletes in Europe...that no one knows here, that no one knows anything about...the key would to try and create a fanbase with magazine exposure. Will the mags be receptive to showcasing athletes that don't live here on a reg basis? Will European sponsorship last for long with shows put on in the US?
There are a million questions that have yet to be answered...and the only way they will get answered is when the first PDI show takes place. Until then we can speculate all we want, and it's good fodder for the boards...thats about it.
I wish you the best my friend, hopefully this will work out for yourself and the other athletes involved.
Great input, Chick!
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It all depends on the quality of the competitors. That will determine if the PDI lives or dies. If there are guys onstage from NABBA europe that rival our pros(do these guys exist?) ,the scuttlebutt on the boards will heat up immediately and jump start interest in the PDI. If the best it can offer is guys who can place 15th at an IFBB show, then who really cares. Oh. I forgot about Lee Preist. In my opinion he's a tier 2 guy who's very popular, but not a credible #1 BBer. Too many glaring flaws to be a champion. Bob Chic or Rhino would be better champs than Priest, they have championship caliber frames.
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Thanks for the reply, Jack....
I appreciate you recognizing that I haven't bashed/ disrespected the PDI (nor will I).
My point was that the half of the lineup you think you would have beaten at last years NY Pro, isn't the group the paying public was paying to see...they pay to see the names.
By perception isn't based on my affiliation with the IFBB, NPC, or any of the 25+ year friendships, associations I've built...it's based on simple economics and knowing what people are willing to pay for.
Much like there were some damn good athletes in the USFL, XFL, WCW, etc....the bottom line was the fans didn't embrace them, and didn't support them with their dollars.
There are some good athletes in Europe...that no one knows here, that no one knows anything about...the key would to try and create a fanbase with magazine exposure. Will the mags be receptive to showcasing athletes that don't live here on a reg basis? Will European sponsorship last for long with shows put on in the US?
There are a million questions that have yet to be answered...and the only way they will get answered is when the first PDI show takes place. Until then we can speculate all we want, and it's good fodder for the boards...thats about it.
I wish you the best my friend, hopefully this will work out for yourself and the other athletes involved.
Chick, as I expected, you answered with class and dignity, thats why I am a fan of yours. Thank you for the respect, seriously,, and yes,, we shall see.
On a different note, got to say, I was on an elevator with you and some powerlifters @ the Arnold, in the hotel. I just had to say, you were cracking on liners, and I was laughing my ass off.
When you retire form comp. you should be a comdedian, you are funny aas hell.
I continue to be one of your fans.....
jack
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It all depends on the quality of the competitors. That will determine if the PDI lives or dies. If there are guys onstage from NABBA europe that rival our pros(do these guys exist?) ,the scuttlebutt on the boards will heat up immediately and jump start interest in the PDI. If the best it can offer is guys who can place 15th at an IFBB show, then who really cares. Oh. I forgot about Lee Preist. In my opinion he's a tier 2 guy who's very popular, but not a credible #1 BBer. Too many glaring flaws to be a champion. Bob Chic or Rhino would be better champs than Priest, they have championship caliber frames.
Well thank you, and I think you make great points.
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Chick,
I can understand your position on this. But you do know that you are the absolute LAST person in the world that athletes will reveal their intentions to. You appear to be a pipeline to manion. So the bigger IFBB names who will jump after the summer IFBB shows are going to deceive you, obviously.
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Chick, as I expected, you answered with class and dignity, thats why I am a fan of yours. Thank you for the respect, seriously,, and yes,, we shall see.
On a different note, got to say, I was on an elevator with you and some powerlifters @ the Arnold, in the hotel. I just had to say, you were cracking on liners, and I was laughing my ass off.
When you retire form comp. you should be a comdedian, you are funny aas hell.
I continue to be one of your fans.....
jack
Great ideas, Jack!
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Chick,
I can understand your position on this. But you do know that you are the absolute LAST person in the world that athletes will reveal their intentions to. You appear to be a pipeline to manion. So the bigger IFBB names who will jump after the summer IFBB shows are going to deceive you, obviously.
Once again...wrong as usual. Thats what happens when you THINK your a part of what goes on, but in actuality...are nothing more than a wannabe on the internet...
In reality...I'm the FIRST person they confide in, as I have made a LOT of money for a LOT of athletes. They know this, and respect my opinion of whats in their best interest. It doesn't affect me either way, whether they choose to compete in the IFBB or any other federation...
If anything, the success of the PDI only makes MY position stronger, as it gives me (and thus, the athletes) a better bargaining position and leverage at the table.
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Once again...wrong as usual. Thats what happens when you THINK your a part of what goes on, but in actuality...are nothing more than a wannabe on the internet...
In reality...I'm the FIRST person they confide in, as I have made a LOT of money for a LOT of athletes. They know this, and respect my opinion of whats in their best interest. It doesn't affect me either way, whether they choose to compete in the IFBB or any other federation...
If anything, the success of the PDI only makes MY position stronger, as it gives me (and thus, the athletes) a better bargaining position and leverage at the table.
You're a great athletes rep, Chick! Keep up the good work!
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In reality...I'm the FIRST person they confide in, as I have made a LOT of money for a LOT of athletes. They know this, and respect my opinion of whats in their best interest. It doesn't affect me either way, whether they choose to compete in the IFBB or any other federation...
Bob, you're kidding, right? The fact that 6 ppl showed up for the athletes rep meeting shows that you are not trusted. "It doesn't affect you either way"- Incorrect. You clarified on getbig that you were the "IFBB" athlete's rep, not a Professional BBer rep.
If an athlete goes to you and confides that they are considering jumping to the PDI, it will affect their IFBB placings, period.
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Bob, you're kidding, right? The fact that 6 ppl showed up for the athletes rep meeting shows that you are not trusted. "It doesn't affect you either way"- Incorrect. You clarified on getbig that you were the "IFBB" athlete's rep, not a Professional BBer rep.
If an athlete goes to you and confides that they are considering jumping to the PDI, it will affect their IFBB placings, period.
6 people might have showed up because the rest are fine with the way the IFBB operates. It says nothing about whether or not Chick is trusted.
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Bob, you're kidding, right? The fact that 6 ppl showed up for the athletes rep meeting shows that you are not trusted. "It doesn't affect you either way"- Incorrect. You clarified on getbig that you were the "IFBB" athlete's rep, not a Professional BBer rep.
If an athlete goes to you and confides that they are considering jumping to the PDI, it will affect their IFBB placings, period.
Yes, the IFBB athletes rep...so how does someone competing in the PDI, or NABBA, affect me in any way?
If an athlete confides in me they are jumping to the PDI, it won't affect their placings in the IFBB...they won't be competing in the IFBB.
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Yes, the IFBB athletes rep...so how does someone competing in the PDI, or NABBA, affect me in any way?
If an athlete confides in me they are jumping to the PDI, it won't affect their placings in the IFBB...they won't be competing in the IFBB.
Excellent point, Bob!
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Chick................... ...let's assume there are no legal ramifications whatsoever
240 aka Rob shows up at a show your in/co-hosting/making an appearance etc
would you knock his two front teeth out
yes/or no ?
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Chic I think you're a little wrong when you say the people come only to see the big names in a BB show. If that was the case then NPC shows would have hardly any people come see them. The Emerald Cup would be vacant. Rusty Jeffers placing of 8th place wouldn't be an issue. People come to see a show. They want to be entertained. As like Jack said there are some monsters in Europe that could do very well in the IFBB. Only a select few are competing in the IFBB. Wayne is going after the masses again. Trying to bring back Bodybuilding the way it used to be. He is wants as many of the PDI Pros to be marketable to a wider demographic than IFBB pros. Coleman is the perfect example. He is not very marketable yet he is the reighing Mr. Olympia. Sure he is in Muscle mags and does stuff within the industry but that is such a small demographic. And he is not really in that much stuff within the industry. Grabbing a wider audience is going to make the PDI successful, not just BB fans. Get mre peopel interested in your product or service and more people will come to the shows. The way Wayne is working the PDI will open more avenues for the pros to make money and expand their marketability.
And really the IFBB should have no problem with athlete cometing in both IFBB and PDI events.
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I would think that Chick would thank me for the many opportunities to deliver his message successfully to the many that visit the boards. For asking the tough questions, for challenging him to do the best job possible for the IFBB athletes.
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Bob, you're kidding, right? The fact that 6 ppl showed up for the athletes rep meeting shows that you are not trusted.
Your just upset that only 5 people attended your birthday party.
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Yes, the IFBB athletes rep...so how does someone competing in the PDI, or NABBA, affect me in any way?
Bob, if an IFBB athlete posted on getbig that the PDI was interesting and they he *may* consider jumping to it in 5 months, do you think the judges would punish that athlete with lower scores at the next IFBB show?
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Your just upset that only 5 people attended your birthday party.
weird. you're quiet for 4 days, then the first minute me and bob start chattin, you're here to parrot every point he makes.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Chick......................let's assume there are no legal ramifications whatsoever
240 aka Rob shows up at a show your in/co-hosting/making an appearance etc
would you knock his two front teeth out
yes/or no ?
Doubt it, but Tosha would :D
weird. you're quiet for 4 days, then the first minute me and bob start chattin, you're here to parrot every point he makes.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
pssst...been busy with this thing called life.
I am touched you missed me though, I missed you too snookumms ;)
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chick wouldnt assault anybody he aint a creep
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In the real world, trashy girls who swing on strangers to 'make a point' end up getting beat down, arrested, prosecuted, etc etc.
On a message baord, it's fun to think that I'd be picking up my teeth and slithering away while lil' ol tosa giggles. But in real life,
How ironic of you to point this out, coz in the real world, guys who weigh 160 lbs with absolutely no lifting background/knowledge wouldn't walk up to a 240+ lb bodybuilder and mouth themselves off ;)
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How ironic of you to point this out, coz in the real world, guys who weigh 160 lbs with absolutely no lifting background/knowledge wouldn't walk up to a 240+ lb bodybuilder and mouth themselves off ;)
:)
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I'm 208 and solid today, 13% BF.
I finally learned you need protein EVERYDAY, not just on weekends.
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I'm 208 and solid today, 13% BF.
I finally learned you need protein EVERYDAY, not just on weekends.
This one is just too easy...
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I'm 208 and solid today, 13% BF.
I finally learned you need protein EVERYDAY, not just on weekends.
get the dried snowflakes off you shirts
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I'm 208 and solid today, 13% BF.
I finally learned you need protein EVERYDAY, not just on weekends.
Whatever dude. I have nothing against you - I just dont like the way you disrespect bodybuilders, especially guys like Bob and Shawn. You call Bob a 3rd tier pro, since bodybuilding is his field. But what about you in the field of web design - ever think about what tier you are, in your field?
I am all for having a few laughs at each other and all, rather than kissing ass all the time, but your agenda against bodybuilders (unless they are PDI) is just plain boring and tiresome.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh..not quite.
Talked to the big man just the other day, asked him about the rumour:
Quote: "f**k no...." QT
Bob,
What are your predictions for the PDI?
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I am a web designer who competes in the low-cost range/cost-leadership. I build entire websites for $300. While the buyer doesn't get a $5000 site, they certainly get a site worth more than $300. And if they're not happy, they get a refund. And since Bob has, in the past, taken numerous shots at my business, I don't feel bad taking shots back at his 3rd tierness.
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I am a web designer who competes in the low-cost range/cost-leadership. I build entire websites for $300. While the buyer doesn't get a $5000 site, they certainly get a site worth more than $300. And if they're not happy, they get a refund. And since Bob has, in the past, taken numerous shots at my business, I don't feel bad taking shots back at his 3rd tierness.
Let's see. There's Bob who is a pro known by a lot of people. Then there is you who is unknown outside Getbig's message boards. My guess is you probably started dishing shit out in the first place to which he replied back.
And tell me, If bob's physique is third-tier, what do you think of the physiques of the PDI pros (lee priest barring)? I am not disrespecting the PDI guys - they bust their butt and to be honest, look good. But they will certainly agree with me that they can't place in the top 6 in the Arnold or the Olympia (again, barring Lee Priest)
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Let's see. There's Bob who is a pro known by a lot of people. Then there is you who is unknown outside Getbig's message boards. My guess is you probably started dishing shit out in the first place to which he replied back.
And tell me, If bob's physique is third-tier, what do you think of the physiques of the PDI pros (lee priest barring)? I am not disrespecting the PDI guys - they bust their butt and to be honest, look good. But they will certainly agree with me that they can't place in the top 6 in the Arnold or the Olympia (again, barring Lee Priest)
Ill chime in ..Lee is good BB, Rhino we havent seen his best , and Vinny Galanti has a superb physique and should get more props than he has been gettin ....(just lose the construciton boots during workout photo shoots..)
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Plus, I graduated college 4 months ago. In my field, I'm very much a newbie and still starting out. Bob Chick took 13 years to get his pro card, then 8 years (?) to get a giftwrapped Masters Pro win. I would like to think that by the time I have been doing this 20+ years, I'll be near the top of my field.
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Plus, I graduated college 4 months ago. In my field, I'm very much a newbie and still starting out. Bob Chick took 13 years to get his pro card, then 8 years (?) to get a giftwrapped Masters Pro win. I would like to think that by the time I have been doing this 20+ years, I'll be near the top of my field.
Riiiiiiiiiight. So in 20 years you will be one of the top designers in the world? ::) Somehow, I dont see your spending so much time in Getbig propelling you to the top of your field. And going by your logic, Bob did qualify and compete in the 2002 Mr Olympia and has won a Professional bodybuilding show, which makes him 'near the top in his field'. Plus even you cant be retarded enough to not realise that it takes years and years of dedication and effort to become an IFBB pro (although some do it in thier mid 20s).
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Riiiiiiiiiight. So in 20 years you will be one of the top designers in the world? ::) Somehow, I dont see your spending so much time in Getbig propelling you to the top of your field. And going by your logic, Bob did qualify and compete in the 2002 Mr Olympia and has won a Professional bodybuilding show, which makes him 'near the top in his field'. Plus even you cant be retarded enough to not realise that it takes years and years of dedication and effort to become an IFBB pro (although some do it in thier mid 20s).
Actually, getbig is a great place to improve my skills. People here are brutally honest and well versed in Internet styles & trends.
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Actually, getbig is a great place to improve my skills. People here are brutally honest and well versed in Internet styles & trends.
Awesome reply ::)
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Actually, getbig is a great place to improve my skills. People here are brutally honest and well versed in Internet styles & trends.
you didnt get my line about dried snowflakes on your shirt oh smart one?
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It doesn't snow in Florida, silly.
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monica said that clintons results on her blue dress looked like dried snowflakes
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It doesn't snow in Florida, silly.
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Plus, I graduated college 4 months ago. In my field, I'm very much a newbie and still starting out. Bob Chick took 13 years to get his pro card, then 8 years (?) to get a giftwrapped Masters Pro win. I would like to think that by the time I have been doing this 20+ years, I'll be near the top of my field.
Bob would be the 1st to admit he was never a top pro. But the fact that it took him a long time to make it is a good thing, not bad, because he actually made it. Vinnie Galanti tried for 13 years to get an IFBB pro card and never made it. In fact, he was going backwards. He wasn't even close over the past 6 years. Also, Bob finished 2nd in 2 pro shows his 2nd year a pro, including the NOC. Here's some of the 40 or so people he beat at that show: Darrem Charles, Craig Titus, Paul Dillett, Tom Prince, Melvin Anthony, Gustavo Badell, Mustafa Mohammad. Not too shabby.
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Plus, I graduated college 4 months ago. In my field, I'm very much a newbie and still starting out. Bob Chick took 13 years to get his pro card, then 8 years (?) to get a giftwrapped Masters Pro win. I would like to think that by the time I have been doing this 20+ years, I'll be near the top of my field.
You're obviously still jealous of Bob :-\