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Any of youse guys using bro splits? Meaning something like training five days in a row something like this.
Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Arms
...or something like this?
Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Quads
Friday: Arms
Saturday: Hamstrings
Just seems like a lot of training days. Wonder how it fits in with work and family? I see the plus side as shorter workouts. Know one guy that does a bro split with a lot of same body parts done with super sets, tri sets and giant sets. He uses what some might say is light weights but they aren't light training like that.
There's also a lot of over lap with body parts. Meaning arms aren't trained once. They are trained on chest day and back day with the pushing and pulling. Legs are trained twice with deadlifts on back day. Delts are hit on stuff like incline presses on chest day and so on.
If this is a bodybuilding post in violation of getbig rules I will take it down. What's the over and under for this thread being about Blanky after three posts?
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I used to do this but lately I’m really enjoying just doing a little bit of everything and doing that every 3-5 days. Maybe 5 sets for every body part. Turns out to be 60 sets but I superset and only do it 1-2 times a week. The pump is insane and gets a lot done so I don’t have to lift that much.
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I train in that fashion, M-F, ever morning from like 6AM to 7:30 AM.
M-Back
T-Chest
W-Legs
T-Delts
F-Arms
Splits have been around forever. Modern retards call them the bro-split, while talking shit about them, and pushing Push, Pull, Legs.
When a kvnt at the gym was doing that I showed him how stupid he sounded.
This was his PPL split
Push - Chest / Tri / Delts <-
Pull - Back / Bi
Legs - Legs
Then I showed him a split I've been doing forever, what he called a 'bro-split':
Chest / Tri
Back / Bi
Legs / Delts <-
So you just move shoulders to leg-day off of your PPL, and there you have your bro-split.
Really stupid people out there trying to re-invent the wheel and sound smart...
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I do it that way. No scheduled off days, just keep going through the rotation. When life gets in the way then you get a day off. Then pick up again the next day wherever you left off.
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I used to do this but lately I’m really enjoying just doing a little bit of everything and doing that every 3-5 days. Maybe 5 sets for every body part. Turns out to be 60 sets but I superset and only do it 1-2 times a week. The pump is insane and gets a lot done so I don’t have to lift that much.
My training partner does a little something like that.
I was on the standard Bro Split all summer, and I find they work well.
Right now, I'm just training in the 1-6 rep range. As long as my lifts go up from week to week, I have no reason to change that.
If you have a standard powerlifting or strength program or can recommend some YouTubers who have good videos on it, let me know, Rob.
I want to take my strength training seriously to beat B. Hank soundly by New Year's. So I'm very open to getting on a proper strength "regime".
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M-Leg day
T- Chest/Tris
W- off
Th- Back
F- Shoulders/Bis
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I like.
Monday: Chest, front and side delts
Tuesday: Legs
Wed: Back and rear delts
Thursday: Arms
Friday: off
Sat: Mondays routine
Sun: Off
Monday: legs
Keep going
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I never liked the 6-7 day splits, i dont think it’s necessary to hammer a muscle group for an entire workout with a bunch of exercises. Much prefer a high frequency approach where each muscle group gets hit 2-4x a week. Phil Hernon gave me this scheme when I hired him (oh brother) years back:
1: Db press/chin-ups/rows/calves
2: Squats/stiff leg deadlifts/abs
3: Close grip bench press/delt raises/curls/calves
4: Rest
Each exercise is 5work sets to failure, dropping 10% each time
Something like that. Workouts are tough but the low volume makes recovery manageable. I don’t train like that these days because I’m going for the “health look”
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(https://media.tenor.com/oP4JDElxwigAAAAM/young-life-split.gif)
LOL
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Any of youse guys using bro splits? Meaning something like training five days in a row something like this.
Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Arms
...or something like this?
Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Quads
Friday: Arms
Saturday: Hamstrings
Just seems like a lot of training days. Wonder how it fits in with work and family? I see the plus side as shorter workouts. Know one guy that does a bro split with a lot of same body parts done with super sets, tri sets and giant sets. He uses what some might say is light weights but they aren't light training like that.
There's also a lot of over lap with body parts. Meaning arms aren't trained once. They are trained on chest day and back day with the pushing and pulling. Legs are trained twice with deadlifts on back day. Delts are hit on stuff like incline presses on chest day and so on.
If this is a bodybuilding post in violation of getbig rules I will take it down. What's the over and under for this thread being about Blanky after three posts?
lol.... silly question
Bodybuilding lifestyle at all doesn't fit with family life, unless you have a wife/partner accepting doing ALL the work. And that's okay if you make a good income from doing it. But we all know very few bodybuilders do.
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I just train whatever is not sore that day and I take a day off if everything is sore I just try to train everything each week but if not I will at least train everything once before doing anything twice
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Some of the ways I have lifted for over 50 years.
1. whole body three times a week. Great way to train. Body parts get hit three times a week directly. Problem is that it's brutal if you want to do a bodybuilding type routine using one or two exercises a body part. Never understood how people label it a beginner routine when it's the hardest way to train. Train your whole body in one training session will leave you gasping for breath exhausted. A big plus is that you get strong fast repeating an exercise three times a week. An example of that is pull ups. I had trouble getting stronger with pull ups but doing them three times a week sure helped. Same with power cleans.
2. Used this classis split many a time. Back/chest, legs, delts/arms. Used three days week with weekends off.
3. This is another classic. Chest/arms, leg, Back/delts. Done three times a week like Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
4. Yates inspired split. Chest/bicep, legs, back, delt/triceps. Split it like Yates. two days on, one off, two days on with the weekend off.
5. Also used Mentzer's split for over a decade. One day was legs/chest/triceps and the other back/delts/biceps. Done on a Frank Calta rotation for recuperation type rotation.
Now thinking about a bro split of splitting it in five days or even six taking a day off as needed for rest or circumstance.
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lol.... silly question
Bodybuilding lifestyle at all doesn't fit with family life, unless you have a wife/partner accepting doing ALL the work. And that's okay if you make a good income from doing it. But we all know very few bodybuilders do.
Some guys here have wives who are the bread winners or come from a rich family. It allows them the time for this life style. I've worked revolving shifts and so many nights. I always managed to get the workouts in. If there is a will there is a way.
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I try to lift Mon-Fri with weekends off but if life gets in the way I end up at the gym on a weekend.
Chest
Back
Legs
Shoulders/traps
Arms
plus cardio which can be a treadmill,dog walk,trail hike.
Abs a couple/few times a week.
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I try to lift Mon-Fri with weekends off but if life gets in the way I end up at the gym on a weekend.
Chest
Back
Legs
Shoulders/traps
Arms
plus cardio which can be a treadmill,dog walk,trail hike.
Abs a couple/few times a week.
Exactly (almost to the "T") as to what I normally do...
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Day one- Back width
Dat two- legs calves
Day three- delts, traps triceps
Day four- Back thickness
DAY five- rear chain- glutes, hams, calves
Day six- side delts, traps, triceps
DAY seven- chest biceps
Ok for clarity
I enjoy the gym and my business allows me to do 16-20 hours a week and get by fine. So I go the gym every day at 4.30 and train until about 5.30-5.45.its keeps my head in a good place and stops me getting angry. So I am abetter person for doing so.
I split the back into width and thickness as I am a fairly strong puller in rowing movements but less so on pulldowns. Since doing this pulldown strength has come up hugely. I split the legs as I am quad dominant and wanted to address this. Also first let workout is each ea, second is side felt focus. Absolute bro-science but enjoying it. All chest and bis get one diet a week because I train back twice so biceps stimulation there and chest sets some work from smith front press and dips.
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Day one- Back width
Dat two- legs calves
Day three- delts, traps triceps
Day four- Back thickness
DAY five- rear chain- glutes, hams, calves
Day six- side delts, traps, triceps
DAY seven- chest biceps
Ok for clarity
I enjoy the gym and my business allows me to do 16-20 hours a week and get by fine. So I go the gym every day at 4.30 and train until about 5.30-5.45.its keeps my head in a good place and stops me getting angry. So I am abetter person for doing so.
I split the back into width and thickness as I am a fairly strong puller in rowing movements but less so on pulldowns. Since doing this pulldown strength has come up hugely. I split the legs as I am quad dominant and wanted to address this. Also first let workout is each ea, second is side felt focus. Absolute bro-science but enjoying it. All chest and bis get one diet a week because I train back twice so biceps stimulation there and chest sets some work from smith front press and dips.
That's a lot of days in a row working out. If it's working for you then keep at it. Personally I would need rest days. I'm retired but when I was working it was common for me to go for runs with the guys at work then coming home to lifting. The double sessions worked great with the hours off between the two activities.
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I am lucky to be able to literally eat on time and sleep properly daily.
I also check my bp and temp as signs I am overdoing it. Every 8 weeks I take 4 days off doing nothing. Its working at the minute but I will change it a and when required.
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I am lucky to be able to literally eat on time and sleep properly daily.
I also check my bp and temp as signs I am overdoing it. Every 8 weeks I take 4 days off doing nothing. Its working at the minute but I will change it a and when required.
I take it you use volume? Lifting all those days pushing heavy weight to failure would be some task but then again it would also be with volume too. How many sets per body part?
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Lol, thread title had me thinking of a dead beat dad headed to the store for “bread and milk”.
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I am lucky to be able to literally eat on time and sleep properly daily.
I also check my bp and temp as signs I am overdoing it. Every 8 weeks I take 4 days off doing nothing. Its working at the minute but I will change it a and when required.
Smart.
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Lol, thread title had me thinking of a dead beat dad headed to the store for “bread and milk”.
That's what I meant but everyone keeps talking about training. ;D
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I cant believe ppl still train like that, it seems so boring
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I used to do this but lately I’m really enjoying just doing a little bit of everything and doing that every 3-5 days. Maybe 5 sets for every body part. Turns out to be 60 sets but I superset and only do it 1-2 times a week. The pump is insane and gets a lot done so I don’t have to lift that much.
That's probably a great, science backed routine that a lot of natural lifters would see results on.
For people who have no balance in their lives and tend towards mindless obsession, chasing a physique in my 50's that I wasn't able to obtain in my 20's.... 5 sometimes 6 days a week for an hour to an hour 1/2 each day. And I think 'come on man, you got this. Arnold worked out 7 days a week, twice a day!'
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Any of youse guys using bro splits? Meaning something like training five days in a row something like this.
Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Arms
...or something like this?
Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Quads
Friday: Arms
Saturday: Hamstrings
Just seems like a lot of training days. Wonder how it fits in with work and family? I see the plus side as shorter workouts. Know one guy that does a bro split with a lot of same body parts done with super sets, tri sets and giant sets. He uses what some might say is light weights but they aren't light training like that.
There's also a lot of over lap with body parts. Meaning arms aren't trained once. They are trained on chest day and back day with the pushing and pulling. Legs are trained twice with deadlifts on back day. Delts are hit on stuff like incline presses on chest day and so on.
If this is a bodybuilding post in violation of getbig rules I will take it down. What's the over and under for this thread being about Blanky after three posts?
Never liked bro splits. Where's the recovery? I've always done 2 or 3 bodyparts in one session with rest days fitted in.
Day 1 Chest Back
Day 2 Shoulders Arms
Day 3 off
Day 4 Legs
Day 5 off
Day 6 repeat cycle.
Much better.
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I take it you use volume? Lifting all those days pushing heavy weight to failure would be some task but then again it would also be with volume too. How many sets per body part?
I tend to do 3-4 sets an exercise. the first is a warm up but very slow and controlled. 2nd up in weight agin controlled. 3rd or 4th will be to positive failure. once I hit the full rep range the weight goes up next workout. including warm ups its probably 12-20 per body part but of those say 8 that matter. at my age its important to get the blood moving and finding intensity in drop sets etc etc rather than sets below 8/10
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Currently :
Mon. - Legs
Tues. -Chest & Back
Wed. OFF
Thurs.-Shoulders
Fri. - Arms & Forearms
I intersperse abs,neck,and extra hammy work in their also on the lower volume days.
I will go to 6-7 days us a week as my contest nears.......all instinctive but I won`t miss a session unless I`m dead by then.
Right now gaining size and rebuilding is my focus........I`m the heaviest I`ve ever weighed but may cut back a bit as it matters not.
PS-NEVER POST ON VALIUMS! :D
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I tend to do 3-4 sets an exercise. the first is a warm up but very slow and controlled. 2nd up in weight agin controlled. 3rd or 4th will be to positive failure. once I hit the full rep range the weight goes up next workout. including warm ups its probably 12-20 per body part but of those say 8 that matter. at my age its important to get the blood moving and finding intensity in drop sets etc etc rather than sets below 8/10
I find that I warm up just a bit more as I got older....no need to tear something after all these years.......then it`s BALLS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111
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I find that I warm up just a bit more as I got older....no need to tear something after all these years.......then it`s BALLS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111
where is Pellius when we need him.... ;D
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where is Pellius when we need him.... ;D
Hand Dong Of Peace LOL ;D
RIP brother! :(
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Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Biceps
Wednesday: Chest
Thursday: Biceps
Friday: Chest
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: Rest
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Some of the ways I have lifted for over 50 years.
1. whole body three times a week. Great way to train. Body parts get hit three times a week directly. Problem is that it's brutal if you want to do a bodybuilding type routine using one or two exercises a body part. Never understood how people label it a beginner routine when it's the hardest way to train. Train your whole body in one training session will leave you gasping for breath exhausted. A big plus is that you get strong fast repeating an exercise three times a week. An example of that is pull ups. I had trouble getting stronger with pull ups but doing them three times a week sure helped. Same with power cleans.
2. Used this classis split many a time. Back/chest, legs, delts/arms. Used three days week with weekends off.
3. This is another classic. Chest/arms, leg, Back/delts. Done three times a week like Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
4. Yates inspired split. Chest/bicep, legs, back, delt/triceps. Split it like Yates. two days on, one off, two days on with the weekend off.
5. Also used Mentzer's split for over a decade. One day was legs/chest/triceps and the other back/delts/biceps. Done on a Frank Calta rotation for recuperation type rotation.
Now thinking about a bro split of splitting it in five days or even six taking a day off as needed for rest or circumstance.
Excellent post OT! Which split (if any) do think gave you the best results? You're right about full body's. That's a brutal routine but effective routine.
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Excellent post OT! Which split (if any) do think gave you the best results? You're right about full body's. That's a brutal routine but effective routine.
I can't really say with any accuracy. I will tell you what I mean. The best I ever was on Mentzer's split with Frank Calta's rotation for recuperation. Was it the best routine or was being in my early 20's the reason? If I could make a generalization it would be the below.
Monday: Chest and arms
Wednesday: legs
Friday: Back and delts.
Some cardio on days off. I used around 6 to 8 sets a body part that doesn't include a warm up if needed. Typical chest day back in the day was below.
Bench 2 x 6 then 1 x 1
Incline 2 x 6
flies 2 x 10
dips 2 x 10
Even though I love to train with weights I would never call myself a bodybuilder. In my mind that's guys that using syringes and pills. I just train as a life style. Always been slight framed but I looked okay back in the day. I put up a picture of myself taken last August 2022 at 64 with zero steroids and zero hormone replacement in the training section. Luckily no one laughed at me, lol.
Getting back to what is really athletic training I would have to say a full body routine done twice to three times a week. The other days can be used for specific sports training like running, jui jitsu or whatever. If lifting is your sports training make sure to include some athletic stuff like power cleans.
With whole body training I like to do six work out cycles. Let's say the primary leg exercise is the squat. If a trainer knows he can do say 2 x 8 reps with 300 as their limit he can back that weight up six times for the cycle. So Monday the first day of the cycle will be 250lbs. It will feel somewhat easy. On Wednesday the weight will be 260lbs. On Friday it will be 270lbs. At no time will you exceed the 8 rep range even if you can. Next week it will be 2 x 8 with 280lbs on Monday. Wednesday it will be 290lbs. Friday will be the predicted limit or exceeding the limit with 300lbs. Rep out that last set of 2 x 8 to exhaustion if you can exceed 8 reps do it. This is just basic training and I remember when some internet site talked of this like it was something new that came down the pike. Nope, it's progressive overload that has been around forever. After that six workout cycle is completed take a couple of days off and start a new one with new exercises or do it again but slightly heavier if you can. The lack of variation of exercises can be solved by changing the exercises every two week cycles. No one can get continually stronger though. If that was the case we would all start our concentration curls with 20lbs and after 15 years of training we would be curling the 150's.
My whole body routine is pretty basic but I change the exercises so I won't go more insane than I already am. Here's what it looked like. The sets written are the work sets. I used a warm up set if necessary.
Power cleans 3 x 3 then 1 x 1 (Each set I went up in weight)
Squats 2 x 8 then 1 x 1
Standing leg curl 2 x 12
Dumbbell bench 2 x 8
Flies 2 x 10
Chins 2 x max at the end of the cycle
Seated cable rows 2 x 12
Military press 2 x 8
Dumbbell delt laterals 2 x 12
Dips for triceps 2 x 10
barbell curls 2 x 10
standing calf 2 x 10
Incline situps 1 x
Incline leg raises 1 x
Neck work.
After this workout I'm devastated, lol.
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I used to do this but lately I’m really enjoying just doing a little bit of everything and doing that every 3-5 days. Maybe 5 sets for every body part. Turns out to be 60 sets but I superset and only do it 1-2 times a week. The pump is insane and gets a lot done so I don’t have to lift that much.
Sounds good.
A lot of intensity and a lot of recovery.
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Shawn Ray had a bodypart a day routine from back in the day
Mon
Bench press
Incline press
Flyes
Tues
Pulldowns or chin ups
Bent over rows
Deadlifts
Weds
Squats
Leg press
Leg curls
Thurs
Military press
Side Laterals
Upright rows
Fri
Barbell curls
Incline curls
Concentration curls
Close grip press
Pressdowns
Extensions
Each exercise done for 4 sets of 8 to 10 reps pyramided up. Last set taken to failure.
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Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Biceps
Wednesday: Chest
Thursday: Biceps
Friday: Chest
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: Rest
No legs, back, delts, calves, pinky fingers?
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I can't really say with any accuracy. I will tell you what I mean. The best I ever was on Mentzer's split with Frank Calta's rotation for recuperation. Was it the best routine or was being in my early 20's the reason? If I could make a generalization it would be the below.
Monday: Chest and arms
Wednesday: legs
Friday: Back and delts.
Some cardio on days off. I used around 6 to 8 sets a body part that doesn't include a warm up if needed. Typical chest day back in the day was below.
Bench 2 x 6 then 1 x 1
Incline 2 x 6
flies 2 x 10
dips 2 x 10
Even though I love to train with weights I would never call myself a bodybuilder. In my mind that's guys that using syringes and pills. I just train as a life style. Always been slight framed but I looked okay back in the day. I put up a picture of myself taken last August 2022 at 64 with zero steroids and zero hormone replacement in the training section. Luckily no one laughed at me, lol.
Getting back to what is really athletic training I would have to say a full body routine done twice to three times a week. The other days can be used for specific sports training like running, jui jitsu or whatever. If lifting is your sports training make sure to include some athletic stuff like power cleans.
With whole body training I like to do six work out cycles. Let's say the primary leg exercise is the squat. If a trainer knows he can do say 2 x 8 reps with 300 as their limit he can back that weight up six times for the cycle. So Monday the first day of the cycle will be 250lbs. It will feel somewhat easy. On Wednesday the weight will be 260lbs. On Friday it will be 270lbs. At no time will you exceed the 8 rep range even if you can. Next week it will be 2 x 8 with 280lbs on Monday. Wednesday it will be 290lbs. Friday will be the predicted limit or exceeding the limit with 300lbs. Rep out that last set of 2 x 8 to exhaustion if you can exceed 8 reps do it. This is just basic training and I remember when some internet site talked of this like it was something new that came down the pike. Nope, it's progressive overload that has been around forever. After that six workout cycle is completed take a couple of days off and start a new one with new exercises or do it again but slightly heavier if you can. The lack of variation of exercises can be solved by changing the exercises every two week cycles. No one can get continually stronger though. If that was the case we would all start our concentration curls with 20lbs and after 15 years of training we would be curling the 150's.
My whole body routine is pretty basic but I change the exercises so I won't go more insane than I already am. Here's what it looked like. The sets written are the work sets. I used a warm up set if necessary.
Power cleans 3 x 3 then 1 x 1 (Each set I went up in weight)
Squats 2 x 8 then 1 x 1
Standing leg curl 2 x 12
Dumbbell bench 2 x 8
Flies 2 x 10
Chins 2 x max at the end of the cycle
Seated cable rows 2 x 12
Military press 2 x 8
Dumbbell delt laterals 2 x 12
Dips for triceps 2 x 10
barbell curls 2 x 10
standing calf 2 x 10
Incline situps 1 x
Incline leg raises 1 x
Neck work.
After this workout I'm devastated, lol.
Right, I started out a rugby player, I learned to trained “athletically,” to me training to look a certain way is the same as what the gals in the ms.universe completion do. I take it as an insult if someone calls me a bodybuilder
I do
Upper
Lower
Yoga/sprints
Off
Power
Kb/skill/calisthenics
Yoga
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Recently switched to Push, Pull, Legs. I train every other day and do cardio and abs on the off days.
Hardest thing for me was splitting up the shoulder workout. I do front and side delts on push day with rear delts and traps on pull day.
For better than 20 years I'd been doing a 4 day split. Shoulders/Tris, Back, Off, Chest/Bi's, Legs, Off, Repeat.
So far so good. The pump I had today after doing push almost made it look like I was back "on".
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Right, I started out a rugby player, I learned to trained “athletically,” to me training to look a certain way is the same as what the gals in the ms.universe completion do. I take it as an insult if someone calls me a bodybuilder
I do
Upper
Lower
Yoga/sprints
Off
Power
Kb/skill/calisthenics
Yoga
Sounds like an amazing routine you have. Sprints and calisthenics are a lost art. You could reduce all the Olympia contestants into a coma with body weight stuff. It is so underrated.
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Recently switched to Push, Pull, Legs. I train every other day and do cardio and abs on the off days.
Hardest thing for me was splitting up the shoulder workout. I do front and side delts on push day with rear delts and traps on pull day.
For better than 20 years I'd been doing a 4 day split. Shoulders/Tris, Back, Off, Chest/Bi's, Legs, Off, Repeat.
So far so good. The pump I had today after doing push almost made it look like I was back "on".
That's a great split too. PPL is used by so many. So many ways to work out and it's all good.
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Sounds like an amazing routine you have. Sprints and calisthenics is a lost art. You could reduce all the Olympia contestants into a coma with body weight stuff. It is so underrated.
The only thing I’d like to incorporate is some trail running but that’s a rarity living in nyc.
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chest delts
arms
legs
back
rest
Repeat, rest more if to sore or tired.
Brisk walk 6km afterwards all done on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, caffeine or coffee assisted. 2 hours accelerated fasting, usually eat about an hour or so after training, no anabolic window required, too old.
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I never liked the 6-7 day splits, i dont think it’s necessary to hammer a muscle group for an entire workout with a bunch of exercises. Much prefer a high frequency approach where each muscle group gets hit 2-4x a week. Phil Hernon gave me this scheme when I hired him (oh brother) years back:
1: Db press/chin-ups/rows/calves
2: Squats/stiff leg deadlifts/abs
3: Close grip bench press/delt raises/curls/calves
4: Rest
Each exercise is 5work sets to failure, dropping 10% each time
Something like that. Workouts are tough but the low volume makes recovery manageable. I don’t train like that these days because I’m going for the “health look”
Agreed.
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The only thing I’d like to incorporate is some trail running but that’s a rarity living in nyc.
Years back I always heard about all the celebrities that ran in Central park and of course their world famous marathon ends there. My niece at the time lived in Manhattan. At the time I lived in nearby northern NJ and told her let's go for a run in Central park. We start the run and almost immediately I see so many runners coming at us in the opposite direction. Seems there is an unspoken consensus for the most part to run in the same direction there. I never got the memo.
I moved out of the urban section of NJ to the shore area. Now I got a fantastic trail two blocks from my house that goes on for many miles. Use to be an old rail road track. The county removed the tracks and put down cinder/gravel for a trail. The only problem is that it's very isolated and few use it. Sometimes I ran there and I wouldn't see a soul for miles. Through the years I ran into a few problems with aggressive loose dogs and some criminal type guys that were looking for trouble. One guy held his hand behind his leg with his body bladed yelling at me about something I did. I was only running with music blasting in my ears. Did he have the wrong guy or was he just a lunatic? I ran off never knowing if he had a gun, knife or a bludgeon. Then I started carrying on the trail but it's pain to run with that weight.