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Title: Coffee - Home vs Store
Post by: Gym Rat on November 22, 2023, 07:31:30 AM
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Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: IroNat on November 22, 2023, 07:39:32 AM
Sheep.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Tapeworm on November 22, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
Coffee snob reporting in.

I make at home. Way better than what I get out there.

Never had a decent coffee from a bisex, homo, or tranny. A young dyke* once made me a decent espresso but the process was almost fully automated so she could have been thinking about licking slit the whole time and it wouldn't have come through in the cup.

*An irl lesbian. Not a porn lesbian. Sadly.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: IroNat on November 22, 2023, 08:08:50 AM
Uber expensive craft beer is another example.

Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: MajorDomo on November 22, 2023, 08:08:55 AM
StarBlo's claim to fame is adding 25 teaspoons of sugar to every cup, lol
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: MajorDomo on November 22, 2023, 08:10:07 AM
Uber expensive craft beer is another example.

Agree 100%.  It's beer, not the fountain of youth. Well, except when I drink enough older chicks get better looking.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Tapeworm on November 22, 2023, 08:34:25 AM

Most people have better uses for their money than home espresso setups so it kinda makes sense they're impressed when they get something fresh ground, and they go back for more.

I can only guess why coffee culture got conquered by leftists. It's big in Seattle and lot of manufacturers headquarter there. Leftists are city folk so city businesses gear to them. Also they tend to have money and pursue epicurean indulgences.

The right wing finds virtue in rejecting "fancy-pants" stuff so with coffee, just like with so much else, they ceded the field without a fight for a long time and retreated into cartoonish conservatism. "A cup 'a joe from the gas station was good enough for my grandpappy!" Yeah but that's because no one ever handed the guy a good one. He would have said fuck that 7-11 shit. And there's nothing new or la-de-da about good coffee. Everyone in America just got so sold by the Mr. Coffee and fucking Maxwell House marketing that they think it's what coffee is supposed to be.

You wouldn't say it's faggy to talk about what makes a good cigar or a good whisky so don't let a bunch of bluehairs take over good coffee. Ditch the Mr Coffee and the pre-ground stuff. Buy a cheap grinder (conical, not blade), whole beans with a roasting date on the bag from a guy who doesn't have a lisp, and a plunger press. It's a cheap setup and you'll have awesome unfrothy man-style coffee to pour into your Fuck Socialism mug.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 22, 2023, 08:50:20 AM
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With the exception of going to breakfast after Church, we always make it at home. Too damn expensive. There have been on occasions I'll go to 7/11, they actually have great coffee.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: IroNat on November 22, 2023, 08:56:20 AM
Most people have better uses for their money than home espresso setups so it kinda makes sense they're impressed when they get something fresh ground, and they go back for more.

I can only guess why coffee culture got conquered by leftists. It's big in Seattle and lot of manufacturers headquarter there. Leftists are city folk so city businesses gear to them. Also they tend to have money and pursue epicurean indulgences.

The right wing finds virtue in rejecting "fancy-pants" stuff so with coffee, just like with so much else, they ceded the field without a fight for a long time and retreated into cartoonish conservatism. "A cup 'a joe from the gas station was good enough for my grandpappy!" Yeah but that's because no one ever handed the guy a good one. He would have said fuck that 7-11 shit. And there's nothing new or la-de-da about good coffee. Everyone in America just got so sold by the Mr. Coffee and fucking Maxwell House marketing that they think it's what coffee is supposed to be.

You wouldn't say it's faggy to talk about what makes a good cigar or a good whisky so don't let a bunch of bluehairs take over good coffee. Ditch the Mr Coffee and the pre-ground stuff. Buy a cheap grinder (conical, not blade), whole beans with a roasting date on the bag from a guy who doesn't have a lisp, and a plunger press. It's a cheap setup and you'll have awesome unfrothy man-style coffee to pour into your Fuck Socialism mug.

I would.  Most whiskey nerds who come up with all those flavors in whiskey are delusional.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Tapeworm on November 22, 2023, 08:56:45 AM
 Hey I bring the horse to the water and that's it. I've done my part.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Fortress on November 22, 2023, 09:08:27 AM
Store-brand instant, black, here.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Tapeworm on November 22, 2023, 09:09:12 AM
I would.  Most whiskey nerds who come up with all those flavors in whiskey are delusional.

Islays are distinct as hell, even from one another. I'd easily pick an Ardbeg 10 blind and probably 3 or 4 more.

No homo.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Rambone on November 22, 2023, 09:53:25 AM
Would rather sip on a gov’t mind-control sugar-free energy drink while I drive
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Gym Rat on November 22, 2023, 09:57:47 AM
Most people have better uses for their money than home espresso setups so it kinda makes sense they're impressed when they get something fresh ground, and they go back for more.

I can only guess why coffee culture got conquered by leftists. It's big in Seattle and lot of manufacturers headquarter there. Leftists are city folk so city businesses gear to them. Also they tend to have money and pursue epicurean indulgences.

The right wing finds virtue in rejecting "fancy-pants" stuff so with coffee, just like with so much else, they ceded the field without a fight for a long time and retreated into cartoonish conservatism. "A cup 'a joe from the gas station was good enough for my grandpappy!" Yeah but that's because no one ever handed the guy a good one. He would have said fuck that 7-11 shit. And there's nothing new or la-de-da about good coffee. Everyone in America just got so sold by the Mr. Coffee and fucking Maxwell House marketing that they think it's what coffee is supposed to be.

You wouldn't say it's faggy to talk about what makes a good cigar or a good whisky so don't let a bunch of bluehairs take over good coffee. Ditch the Mr Coffee and the pre-ground stuff. Buy a cheap grinder (conical, not blade), whole beans with a roasting date on the bag from a guy who doesn't have a lisp, and a plunger press. It's a cheap setup and you'll have awesome unfrothy man-style coffee to pour into your Fuck Socialism mug.

I sure would... I drank basic Jack-Black and Cigars are ghey... Just like LeftTardz...
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Gym Rat on November 22, 2023, 09:59:12 AM
Store-brand instant, black, here.

That shits actually tasty as hell... You also get like 50 cups for the price of one Ghey-Ass Starbucks coffee...
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: IroNat on November 22, 2023, 09:59:20 AM
Islays are distinct as hell, even from one another. I'd easily pick an Ardbeg 10 blind and probably 3 or 4 more.

No homo.

Can you do this... :D

The nose is very fruity with clear citrus notes of lemon and lime intermingled with a fresh cent of green apples and pears. There is also a clear backdrop of spices and herbs.
After the first sip, the fruity notes are there together with a honey sweetness, but are soon accompanied with strong spiciness of cloves and a hint of chili. In the aftertaste, the spiciness falls away and leaves a lingering residue of mild coffee notes and bitter chocolate.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Tapeworm on November 22, 2023, 10:13:36 AM
Haha, I had a whole thread! Buncha philistines around here.

Cigars are for cigar smokers. If you're not into them don't bother. But buy a good bottle of booze and side by side it with your regular poison. Report back.

Live a little ya calcified bastards.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Grape Ape on November 22, 2023, 10:34:44 AM
Coffee snob reporting in.

I make at home. Way better than what I get out there.

Full disclosure for all - he also had to take out a small mortgage to buy this home machine.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Tapeworm on November 22, 2023, 10:58:22 AM
Best money I ever spent. Yachts are for suckers.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Fortress on November 22, 2023, 12:28:07 PM
That shits actually tasty as hell... You also get like 50 cups for the price of one Ghey-Ass Starbucks coffee...

My breakfast and pre-workout is a large cup of black Joe, served up bitter and angry.

Sweetened gourmet coffee is for women and phaggots.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: robcguns on November 22, 2023, 12:41:02 PM
I only drink decaf and only from Cumberland farms where I do it myself for a 1.18 large. I have maybe two a week. Coffee and cream and it’s delicious. Never drank coffee until 2 years ago and I can’t handle caffeine as it geeks me out.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 22, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
My regular spot is 7/11. Not the greatest but you make your own and they have a wide variety of creamers. Plus, you can do auto checkout through the app. So, I don’t have to deal with anybody the entire visit. Never liked Starbucks👎.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: joswift on November 22, 2023, 01:29:24 PM
UK TV soap operas all have cafe in the street they live and they all go in and buy a cup of tea
They also go in the pub and buy an orange juice, £3 for a tiny bottle, its a £1 a litre in the shop next door

Fucks sake they only live next door
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Cook on November 22, 2023, 01:36:01 PM
Been drinking black coffee since I was a child.My Grandpa started me and that first cup is still the best part of my day.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: wes on November 22, 2023, 01:45:43 PM
I make great coffee.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: joswift on November 22, 2023, 01:46:38 PM
I make great invented coffee.

 ;D
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: wes on November 22, 2023, 02:09:31 PM
;D
;D
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 22, 2023, 03:45:43 PM
Been drinking black coffee since I was a child.My Grandpa started me and that first cup is still the best part of my day.

Life for me would definitely be less worth living without coffee.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Sissysquats on November 22, 2023, 03:47:10 PM
Bout .40 cents a cup here using pods. Wife is a Starbucks junkie so I guess it balances out. I did get some , supposedly, Jamaican blue mountain at Starbucks a couple years ago, it was pretty good shit.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Mayday on November 22, 2023, 05:15:46 PM
Another coffee snob here.

When I moved to the countryside I purchased an Italian machine for 2k and paid the barista who made my coffees everyday to come to my house, set it up and teach me to make my own coffee.

Tapeworm is spot on, best money spent.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: IroNat on November 22, 2023, 06:07:33 PM
Another coffee snob here.

When I moved to the countryside I purchased an Italian machine for 2k and paid the barista who made my coffees everyday to come to my house, set it up and teach me to make my own coffee.

Tapeworm is spot on, best money spent.

Typical Getbigger.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: That_Dude on November 22, 2023, 07:31:17 PM
Another coffee snob here.

When I moved to the countryside I purchased an Italian machine for 2k and paid the barista who made my coffees everyday to come to my house, set it up and teach me to make my own coffee.

Tapeworm is spot on, best money spent.

Which machine are you using? A rocket appartamento?
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: ThisisOverload on November 22, 2023, 08:52:45 PM
I use an Italian espresso percolator style coffee maker in the morning.

1 cup getting ready for work and 1 cup for the road.

Add in some heavy cream.

I get local coffee from Oaxaca, my GF has family there and i get a pound for 100 pesos, which is ~5 bucks.

Honestly haven't been to Starbucks or Dutch Brothers in years.

It's cheap coffee with a lot of sugar and flavor, nothing special.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: tom joad on November 22, 2023, 09:35:48 PM
most mornings it’s Folgers in the French press for me haha
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: obsidian on November 22, 2023, 10:17:51 PM
With the exception of going to breakfast after Church, we always make it at home. Too damn expensive. There have been on occasions I'll go to 7/11, they actually have great coffee.
I like to go out and grab a coffee. I make it at home also. It still costs money to make it yourself. Gas / electric / water / milk or whatever / coffee / filters etc. I would venture anywhere from over 10 cents to $2.00, depending on your method.

No way in hell would I pay $7 for a coffee. But I will pay $2-3, and maybe add a bagel with cream cheese. I like to drive and listen to youtube channels, or call family and friends while driving. Sometimes I'll prolong the drive if I have an interesting conversation that I don't want to interrupt.

https://toughnickel.com/frugal-living/How-Much-Does-it-Cost-to-Make-Coffee
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: obsidian on November 22, 2023, 10:19:34 PM
I make great coffee.
Did TREX like it?
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: kreator on November 22, 2023, 10:27:51 PM
Coffee is poison. You know you're an addict when you say '' i can not start my day without coffee'' .
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 23, 2023, 07:36:01 AM
This was well spent money. One of the greatest inventions ever.  Should probably get a new one but after five years the one I have still works perfectly.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 23, 2023, 07:39:56 AM
This is my go to:
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: IroNat on November 23, 2023, 07:53:55 AM
This was well spent money. One of the greatest inventions ever.  Should probably get a new one but after five years the one I have still works perfectly.

I had this one for $20 and it made good coffee.
Unfortunately the carafe broke.

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Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Gym Rat on November 23, 2023, 07:57:19 AM
I like to go out and grab a coffee. I make it at home also. It still costs money to make it yourself. Gas / electric / water / milk or whatever / coffee / filters etc. I would venture anywhere from over 10 cents to $2.00, depending on your method.

No way in hell would I pay $7 for a coffee. But I will pay $2-3, and maybe add a bagel with cream cheese. I like to drive and listen to youtube channels, or call family and friends while driving. Sometimes I'll prolong the drive if I have an interesting conversation that I don't want to interrupt.

https://toughnickel.com/frugal-living/How-Much-Does-it-Cost-to-Make-Coffee

There a local place where the guy gets his beans shipped from all over the world.
He makes amazing coffee, and we like to go on occasion. Its only like 5.00 for a giant mug, well worth it.
Great place, great food too. (Besides all the clowns with their laptops, "working on their novels Brian").
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Griffith on November 23, 2023, 08:52:16 AM
Coffee is poison. You know you're an addict when you say '' i can not start my day without coffee'' .

 ::)
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: MajorDomo on November 23, 2023, 08:53:44 AM
Coffee is poison. You know you're an addict when you say '' i can not start my day without coffee'' .
I say the same about my morning omelet- so that means I'm an addict to eggs.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Grape Ape on November 23, 2023, 10:22:53 AM
I like to go out and grab a coffee. I make it at home also. It still costs money to make it yourself. Gas / electric / water / milk or whatever / coffee / filters etc. I would venture anywhere from over 10 cents to $2.00, depending on your method.

No way in hell would I pay $7 for a coffee. But I will pay $2-3, and maybe add a bagel with cream cheese. I like to drive and listen to youtube channels, or call family and friends while driving. Sometimes I'll prolong the drive if I have an interesting conversation that I don't want to interrupt.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F10K6tDXoAAvo7k.jpg)
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: BlackMetallic on November 23, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
Coffee is racist
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Mayday on November 23, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
Typical Getbigger.

Flying the flag mate  ;)

Which machine are you using? A rocket appartamento?

I went with a Lelit Kate PL82T

It’s Nothing crazy. I like that I can run at least 6 coffee shots back to back when family are around.

The only reason I’d switch would be to get quicker steamer for the milk.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: That_Dude on November 23, 2023, 03:31:47 PM
Flying the flag mate  ;)

I went with a Lelit Kate PL82T

It’s Nothing crazy. I like that I can run at least 6 coffee shots back to back when family are around.

The only reason I’d switch would be to get quicker steamer for the milk.

Nice machine, I looked at them but couldn't bring myself to have an integrated grinder...so I cheapest out and went with the rancilio Silvia and Rocky grinder.

The process of grinding your own beans, experimenting with grind coarseness/fineness, tamping and pulling shots is satisfying and enjoyable...almost moreso than enjoying the espresso itself. I get this sounds ridiculous to some but it is a truly enjoyable process when you get it rigjt
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Tapeworm on November 23, 2023, 04:32:48 PM
Flying the flag mate  ;)

I went with a Lelit Kate PL82T

It’s Nothing crazy. I like that I can run at least 6 coffee shots back to back when family are around.

The only reason I’d switch would be to get quicker steamer for the milk.

I went the Bianca. I rarely use the needle valve to pre-infuse but then I'm rarely able to procure lightly roasted beans. Only complaint is that the pressure relief valve seat became embrittled and I had to use some RTV to reestablish a seal. Aesthetically, the pressure gauge is chintzy but only people who know gauges would pick that, and I'd prefer an analogue shot clock like a stopwatch instead of a digi display but ain't nobody making that.

I rolled the dice on a Barraza Sette for the grinder. It's been good value and we use it heaps. Gripes: Will occasionally jump out of its setting, loud as hell but it's very quick, plasticky look lacks sex appeal of Ceados etc if you want wow factor.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Taffin on November 23, 2023, 06:01:41 PM
I went the Bianca. I rarely use the needle valve to pre-infuse but then I'm rarely able to procure lightly roasted beans. Only complaint is that the pressure relief valve seat became embrittled and I had to use some RTV to reestablish a seal. Aesthetically, the pressure gauge is chintzy but only people who know gauges would pick that, and I'd prefer an analogue shot clock like a stopwatch instead of a digi display but ain't nobody making that.

I rolled the dice on a Barraza Sette for the grinder. It's been good value and we use it heaps. Gripes: Will occasionally jump out of its setting, loud as hell but it's very quick, plasticky look lacks sex appeal of Ceados etc if you want wow factor.

(http://i.postimg.cc/q7SqKyKR/Dontcha-know.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 24, 2023, 12:37:11 AM
I read that the finest coffee was the one those little monkeys shit out. Who'd try it?
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 24, 2023, 12:45:18 AM
This is my go to:
Me Too. :P
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: IroNat on November 24, 2023, 06:04:36 AM
I'm a "reverse connoisseur".

I buy the cheapest of decent quality.

Many times everything I'm wearing, from sneakers and socks on up, comes from the Walmart clearance racks.

(https://jillcataldo.com/blogimages/coffee.jpg)

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Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: beakdoctor on November 24, 2023, 06:13:53 AM
I buy cheap coffee.  Coffee to me is like beer: it all tastes like shit.  I drink it for effects,  not taste.

A few years ago I started using instant coffee but holy crap it irritates my throat. Very acidic.

So I came across Betel nut on Amazon and ordered some. Damn I loved it.  It tasted OK and had a great 'pick me up' effect.  However,  after 2 orders it became illegal or , more accurately, regulated in the States and now I can't find it anywhere. 
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Hulkotron on November 24, 2023, 06:52:29 AM
I read that the finest coffee was the one those little monkeys shit out. Who'd try it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_luwak
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: kreator on November 24, 2023, 07:24:36 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_luwak

You can make your own brew. Just don't chew the beans. You'll shit them out just like the monkeys
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: MajorDomo on November 24, 2023, 07:27:16 AM
The best coffee is one where the beans aren't burned when roasting.

Best coffee I ever had was from Ethiopia- it was not bitter, didn't need any cream or sugar and tasted incredible. But it cost a frigging fortune so after a 5 pound bag I went back to piss water.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: wes on November 24, 2023, 07:32:42 AM
I'm a "reverse connoisseur".

I buy the cheapest of decent quality.

Many times everything I'm wearing, from sneakers and socks on up, comes from the Walmart clearance racks.

(https://jillcataldo.com/blogimages/coffee.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MrhHbTeHHKo/maxresdefault.jpg)
I got to have me that gourmet shit Jimmy.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Rambone on November 24, 2023, 07:52:49 AM
God damn, Jimmy! This is some gourmet shit!
- Denzel L. Fishburne
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Tapeworm on November 24, 2023, 04:23:11 PM
(http://i.postimg.cc/q7SqKyKR/Dontcha-know.jpg)

 ;D

Ha. Light roasts need longer extraction time (or a higher water temperature). If you're going to keep to an undiluted espresso ratio, a low flow pre-soak is useful. It's like foreplay. Takes a little bit longer but you'll enjoy the payoff.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.K1a5JxpaNFsMcBp_1lVGXQHaIr%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=1066b5e8fa2af3181e04a59a75fc1373d9af98f8e5051806d1d02d53d39df2c7&ipo=images)

Hatters gonna hat.
Title: Re: Coffee
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 25, 2023, 12:31:52 AM
The best coffee is one where the beans aren't burned when roasting.

Best coffee I ever had was from Ethiopia- it was not bitter, didn't need any cream or sugar and tasted incredible. But it cost a frigging fortune so after a 5 pound bag I went back to piss water.
Yes, Ethiopian coffee is delicious.
Title: Re: Coffee - Home vs Store
Post by: Taffin on November 25, 2023, 05:11:02 AM
I read that the finest coffee was the one those little monkeys shit out. Who'd try it?

Depends how attractive the monkeys were - female only, right..?  I mean, I'm not drinking any gay-monkey coffee

Title: Re: Coffee - Home vs Store
Post by: wes on November 25, 2023, 06:18:25 AM
Ha. Light roasts need longer extraction time (or a higher water temperature). If you're going to keep to an undiluted espresso ratio, a low flow pre-soak is useful. It's like foreplay. Takes a little bit longer but you'll enjoy the payoff.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.K1a5JxpaNFsMcBp_1lVGXQHaIr%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=1066b5e8fa2af3181e04a59a75fc1373d9af98f8e5051806d1d02d53d39df2c7&ipo=images)

Hatters gonna hat.
LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Coffee - Home vs Store
Post by: ElPolloSalmonello on November 25, 2023, 06:24:26 AM
I have a friend that's a bioscientist who specializes in coffee. Her family have their own coffee company. She pretty much turned me into a coffee snob, so like other snobs - I prefer to make my own in my overly complicated coffee machine.