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Another Liberal pipedream. So much for all the financial savings and saving the planet ::)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/study-finds-the-true-cost-of-owning-an-electric-vehicle-equates-to-17-per-gallon/ar-AA1kpS9b?ocid=msedgntp&pc=SCOOBE&cvid=8f0e723d1e2749cebc6d008d6fb6a450&ei=24
EV ownership equates to $17 per gallon
An October report by the Texas Public Policy Foundation found that, after accounting for all of the hidden costs involved in owning an EV, that price becomes much more significant than an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle.
Adding in the costs of government subsidies, charging equipment and the added strain on the electric grid, the report says that the "true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline."
When ICE owners pay for a gallon of gasoline, the report says, they are paying for the "entire infrastructure to refine, transport and market that gasoline."
"When an EV owner connects to the electric grid, how much are they paying for the extra generation, transmission, and distribution costs that they are imposing on the grid, and will those embedded costs rise over time?"
The report identifies three different areas of hidden EV ownership costs: the first deals with direct subsidies, such as the $7,500 federal tax credit. The second deals with indirect subsidies, notably an avoidance of state and federal fuel taxes.
This, the report says, is problematic as such taxes are used to fund road construction and maintenance; since EVs are heavier than comparable ICE vehicles, EV owners ought to be paying more in fuel taxes, rather than less.
A component of this indirect subsidy deals with the extra costs imparted on the electric grid by EVs, a cost shared by everyone, not just EV owners.
"Generation, transmission, distribution and overhead costs for utilities are all affected by EVs, and it is crucial for the future of the electric grid that EVs charge at times that reduce demand volatility rather than increase it as is often the case today," the report says.
The final category involves regulatory electrification and emissions mandates.
Combined, the report found that these hidden costs add around $48,000 to the cost of an average model-year 2021 EV over 10 years.
The report estimated that the average EV accrues $48,000 in subsidies and nearly $5,000 in electricity costs over a 10-year period, equal roughly to $17 per equivalent gallon of gasoline. Even with recently slashed prices and tax incentives, the report said that EVs will remain more expensive than their ICE counterparts for years without "increased and sustained government favors."
A key component of EV costs revolves around the battery components. Toyota, which remains committed to hybrids, said in May that the same raw material used for one long-range EV could instead be used to produce 90 hybrids. The overall carbon reduction of those hybrids, according to Toyota, would be 37 times higher than that of a single EV.
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I'm not pro EV but likely there are also hidden costs for ICE cars too that this article chooses to ignore.
The oil industry gets large subsidies and there are health costs from auto exhaust, pollution costs from oil exploration, motor oil reclamation, gas refining, and lead acid batteries.
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I’m not anti EV but the battery still weighs 1000 pounds and apparently there are some cold weather issues. It’s not there yet for mass adoption.
And even if the pipe dreams come to fruition, passenger vehicles account for about 1/4 of oil usage. So, oil still isn’t going away anytime in the near future.
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What is upsetting is these state mandated time frames for the availability of ICE cars in the blue states.
Fascism.
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where do morons think the extra electricity to charge the batteries comes from?
The electricity fairy?
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When a battery dies, enjoy your 10K to replace it. Rather than the 180.00 for a normal ICE car battery...
Kvnt at work had to replace 2 of em... (In his shitty Prius).
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86% of people were open to buying an EV in 2021 when fuel had hit peak prices and was in shock territory.
Almost 2024 post a +5% interest rate increase, higher costs of everything and back at record high fuel prices and that figure drops to 67%.
Why? What was a record high price is now normalised. People adapt and go back to traditional thinking. You can see why it’s so hard to make changes in society.
The near future we will be using the electric cars to power the house overnight and suddenly these make an enormous amount of sense for anybody with solar on their house.
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If you want to buy an electric vehicles do it. I have a problem when the government says you can't buy gas cars.
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When a battery dies, enjoy your 10K to replace it. Rather than the 180.00 for a normal ICE car battery...
Kvnt at work had to replace 2 of em... (In his shitty Prius).
How old are you, and still working?
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When a battery dies, enjoy your 10K to replace it. Rather than the 180.00 for a normal ICE car battery...
Kvnt at work had to replace 2 of em... (In his shitty Prius).
I had two Prius cars- both got over 100K miles and the batteries were still good. The Prius is a fantastically reliable car. The replacement cost for the battery pack runs $2-4K, depending on install cost. So as far as hybrid electric cars, the battery costs for a Prius are very reasonable.
Now all electric cars are a completely different story. A friends Chevy volt had the battery go and the cost was over $10K...
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If you want to buy an electric vehicles do it. I have a problem when the government says you can't buy gas cars.
No shit, let the market decide.
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I had two Prius cars- both got over 100K miles and the batteries were still good. The Prius is a fantastically reliable car. The replacement cost for the battery pack runs $2-4K, depending on install cost. So as far as hybrid electric cars, the battery costs for a Prius are very reasonable.
Now all electric cars are a completely different story. A friends Chevy volt had the battery go and the cost was over $10K...
10K must have been for both then... He mentioned 10K (may have been rounding up), didn't sound like a bargain... Ill stick to gasoline.. (As long as we can).
"Plugging in a car" ::)
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When a battery dies, enjoy your 10K to replace it. Rather than the 180.00 for a normal ICE car battery...
Kvnt at work had to replace 2 of em... (In his shitty Prius).
It’s offset to a degree by the lack of required maintenance & upkeep—and of course by the government subsidies—but you are ultimately correct.
As the article notes, hybrid is the way to go for the foreseeable future until battery technology makes some major progress.
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I had two Prius cars- both got over 100K miles and the batteries were still good. The Prius is a fantastically reliable car. The replacement cost for the battery pack runs $2-4K, depending on install cost. So as far as hybrid electric cars, the battery costs for a Prius are very reasonable.
Now all electric cars are a completely different story. A friends Chevy volt had the battery go and the cost was over $10K...
Thanks for the input MajorHomo, you sound like an expert on this subject.
The Prius is a sane, working approach to what an EV should be - a small economy car.
Tesla is an I Phone on wheels that I see as more of an overpriced gimmick over the long term. They claim ranges of 300-400 miles but in reality can be half that. The performance models are impressive but on another level of waste of $$ and resources, if that is what this is all about.
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Thanks for the input MajorHomo, you sound like an expert on this subject.
The Prius is a sane, working approach to what an EV should be - a small economy car.
Tesla is an I Phone on wheels that I see as more of an overpriced gimmick over the long term. They claim ranges of 300-400 miles but in reality can be half that. The performance models are impressive but on another level of waste of $$ and resources, if that is what this is all about.
lol I did laugh at that :)
I work at a place where one guy had a tesla and a rivian, another still has two teslas, and a woman has a Chevy Volt.
Guy #1 told me his Tesla would periodically go in idle mode and have to "reboot" to get back to normal. So he sold it and bought a Rivian SUV. After three months he showed me burn marks on the Rivian upholstery where wires embedded had overheated, and then he showed me a bumper that was falling off! He bought the Rivian for $90K and waited a year to get it- he smartly sold it for $120K to someone who didn't want to wait. He now drives a Mercedes hybrid SUV...
Guy #2 with the two Teslas drives his backup Honda Accord daily - he complains of the hassles of charging the Teslas on his home charger which apparently is underpowered- I didn't get into details cuz i really don't like Teslas. He has more money than he knows what to do with apparently.
The Chevy Volt chick has had the batteries replaced twice- once under warranty and once at her own cost.
I now drive a non-hybrid 2023 Rav 4 and get 36 mpg on my daily 10 mile drive. On the highway on a 200+ mile trip I averaged 42.5 mpg. I originally had one of the first generation Highlander hybrids and it got lower highway mileage than my new Rav 4!
Hybrids by Toyota are the way to go if you want a battery- but Toyota is so far ahead of the curve on ICE technology I really don't see the need for a battery. i drove 800 miles this past summer in a 2023 rented Toyota Corolla and averaged 55 mpg!!
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where do morons think the extra electricity to charge the batteries comes from?
The electricity fairy?
The outlets in the wall.
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Another Liberal pipedream. So much for all the financial savings and saving the planet ::)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/study-finds-the-true-cost-of-owning-an-electric-vehicle-equates-to-17-per-gallon/ar-AA1kpS9b?ocid=msedgntp&pc=SCOOBE&cvid=8f0e723d1e2749cebc6d008d6fb6a450&ei=24
EV ownership equates to $17 per gallon
An October report by the Texas Public Policy Foundation found that, after accounting for all of the hidden costs involved in owning an EV, that price becomes much more significant than an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle.
Adding in the costs of government subsidies, charging equipment and the added strain on the electric grid, the report says that the "true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline."
When ICE owners pay for a gallon of gasoline, the report says, they are paying for the "entire infrastructure to refine, transport and market that gasoline."
"When an EV owner connects to the electric grid, how much are they paying for the extra generation, transmission, and distribution costs that they are imposing on the grid, and will those embedded costs rise over time?"
The report identifies three different areas of hidden EV ownership costs: the first deals with direct subsidies, such as the $7,500 federal tax credit. The second deals with indirect subsidies, notably an avoidance of state and federal fuel taxes.
This, the report says, is problematic as such taxes are used to fund road construction and maintenance; since EVs are heavier than comparable ICE vehicles, EV owners ought to be paying more in fuel taxes, rather than less.
A component of this indirect subsidy deals with the extra costs imparted on the electric grid by EVs, a cost shared by everyone, not just EV owners.
"Generation, transmission, distribution and overhead costs for utilities are all affected by EVs, and it is crucial for the future of the electric grid that EVs charge at times that reduce demand volatility rather than increase it as is often the case today," the report says.
The final category involves regulatory electrification and emissions mandates.
Combined, the report found that these hidden costs add around $48,000 to the cost of an average model-year 2021 EV over 10 years.
The report estimated that the average EV accrues $48,000 in subsidies and nearly $5,000 in electricity costs over a 10-year period, equal roughly to $17 per equivalent gallon of gasoline. Even with recently slashed prices and tax incentives, the report said that EVs will remain more expensive than their ICE counterparts for years without "increased and sustained government favors."
A key component of EV costs revolves around the battery components. Toyota, which remains committed to hybrids, said in May that the same raw material used for one long-range EV could instead be used to produce 90 hybrids. The overall carbon reduction of those hybrids, according to Toyota, would be 37 times higher than that of a single EV.
LOL @ the green team. Plug in vehicle’s LOL!
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where do morons think the extra electricity to charge the batteries comes from?
The electricity fairy?
They also seem to think that these 1000 pound batteries fall out of the sky and don’t require a large amount of excavation.
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They also seem to think that these 1000 pound batteries fall out of the sky and don’t require a large amount of excavation.
Yep- lithium, the most reactive metals on earth, just sits in piles waiting to be mined like coal, lol
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They also seem to think that these 1000 pound batteries fall out of the sky and don’t require a large amount of excavation.
The woke crowd doesn't think that deep.
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I'll buy an electric car when they make on that sounds like a V6
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The woke crowd doesn't think that deep period!
fixed
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I'll buy an electric car when they make on that sounds like a V6
Or when the battery weighs 50lbs or less and you can keep a spare in the trunk.
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I'll buy an electric car when they make on that sounds like a V6
Check out the new Dodge Hellcat EV with the muscle car soundtrack built in.
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Check out the new Dodge Hellcat EV with the muscle car soundtrack built in.
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Lmao!
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jan/16/winter-freeze-slaps-ev-owners-charging-nightmare/
Can you say GARBAGE! LOL, EV's!
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jan/16/winter-freeze-slaps-ev-owners-charging-nightmare/
Can you say GARBAGE! LOL, EV's!
They want us all owning them by 2030. ::)
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where do morons think the extra electricity to charge the batteries comes from?
The electricity fairy?
That don't think that deep.
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where do morons think the extra electricity to charge the batteries comes from?
The electricity fairy?
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Grade A trolling
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8294057/Hundreds-non-recyclable-fiberglass-wind-turbine-blades-pictured-piling-landfills.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8294057/Hundreds-non-recyclable-fiberglass-wind-turbine-blades-pictured-piling-landfills.html)
https://stopthesethings.com/2023/02/18/smashed-claims-solar-power-part-of-clean-green-future-simply-dont-stack-up/comment-page-1/ (https://stopthesethings.com/2023/02/18/smashed-claims-solar-power-part-of-clean-green-future-simply-dont-stack-up/comment-page-1/)
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This plan is falling apart even faster than was expected.
Total joke.
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Look at comparable size gas cars compared to electric. Substantial difference in price. Then look at the cost of having a charging wire at your house. It isn't cheap. If you go for a long trip you will be charging three times each way for 650 mile one way trip. Charging stations on the road aren't free and unless you sit there for hours only give you an under 200 miles additional charge. In the winter the battery goes dead a lot quicker and charging takes more time. Using the heater in freezing weather kills the batter a lot faster. Some fans of the car tell you to only use the heated seated to save the charge. The miles per charge they tell you is a borderline lie. It's for city driving and optimistic at best. Highway the battery goes quicker. Would you park an electric car in an attached garage at night while your family was sleeping. Lastly they cost a lot to insure because of the huge area of the battery in a collision.
I have a humble Nissan Altima. On one tank of gas I can go about 500 miles highway. Then fuel up in 5 minutes and continue for another 500.
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Look at comparable size gas cars compared to electric. Substantial difference in price. Then look at the cost of having a charging wire at your house. It isn't cheap. If you go for a long trip you will be charging three times each way for 650 mile one way trip. Charging stations on the road aren't free and unless you sit there for hours only give you an under 200 miles additional charge. In the winter the battery goes dead a lot quicker and charging takes more time. Using the heater in freezing weather kills the batter a lot faster. Some fans of the car tell you to only use the heated seated to save the charge. The miles per charge they tell you is a borderline lie. It's for city driving and optimistic at best. Highway the battery goes quicker. Would you park an electric car in an attached garage at night while your family was sleeping. Lastly they cost a lot to insure because of the huge area of the battery in a collision.
I have a humble Nissan Altima. On one tank of gas I can go about 500 miles highway. Then fuel up in 5 minutes and continue for another 500.
But other than those things what's not to like?
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People just keep falling for Leftist bullshit. When will they learn?
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You can convert all cars to electric with a simple dc motor running off of two lead acid battery’s 500 bucks for the batteries
The dc motor is a peice of cake when hooked up to a transmission
The dc motor is just copper windings and four iron magnets
I believe this is the most affordable build or conversion your top speed around 60-65mph
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Look at comparable size gas cars compared to electric. Substantial difference in price. Then look at the cost of having a charging wire at your house. It isn't cheap. If you go for a long trip you will be charging three times each way for 650 mile one way trip. Charging stations on the road aren't free and unless you sit there for hours only give you an under 200 miles additional charge. In the winter the battery goes dead a lot quicker and charging takes more time. Using the heater in freezing weather kills the batter a lot faster. Some fans of the car tell you to only use the heated seated to save the charge. The miles per charge they tell you is a borderline lie. It's for city driving and optimistic at best. Highway the battery goes quicker. Would you park an electric car in an attached garage at night while your family was sleeping. Lastly they cost a lot to insure because of the huge area of the battery in a collision.
I have a humble Nissan Altima. On one tank of gas I can go about 500 miles highway. Then fuel up in 5 minutes and continue for another 500.
Here in CA, semis have to have engines 2010 or newer. And as of Jan 1st, all new semis must be electric or hydrogen powered.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/electric-mandates-have-california-truckers-charging-overtime-advanced-clean-fleets-regulation-dda13188
<Mr. Ramos left IMC at 5:30 a.m. He drove 9 miles south to a charging station near the Port of Long Beach, where he remained for an hour, charging the battery from 54% to 90%. He then made his first haul, picking up a container and delivering it to a customer.
A second haul started around noon—and that was it for the day. In a diesel truck, Mr. Ramos said, he could have made six hauls. But even the second one required another visit to the charging station—33 miles out of his way, and another hour and a half of charging. A diesel semi can fuel up in 15 minutes and then drive 1,000 miles—a round trip from Los Angeles to Reno, Nev.—before needing to refuel. Making the same trip, Mr. Ramos’s electric truck would have to make six recharging stops of at least 90 minutes each.>
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Here in CA, semis have to have engines 2010 or newer. And as of Jan 1st, all new semis must be electric or hydrogen powered.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/electric-mandates-have-california-truckers-charging-overtime-advanced-clean-fleets-regulation-dda13188
<Mr. Ramos left IMC at 5:30 a.m. He drove 9 miles south to a charging station near the Port of Long Beach, where he remained for an hour, charging the battery from 54% to 90%. He then made his first haul, picking up a container and delivering it to a customer.
A second haul started around noon—and that was it for the day. In a diesel truck, Mr. Ramos said, he could have made six hauls. But even the second one required another visit to the charging station—33 miles out of his way, and another hour and a half of charging. A diesel semi can fuel up in 15 minutes and then drive 1,000 miles—a round trip from Los Angeles to Reno, Nev.—before needing to refuel. Making the same trip, Mr. Ramos’s electric truck would have to make six recharging stops of at least 90 minutes each.>
Think of how expensive all of our groceries and other store items will be in the future if this shit goes on.
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Think of how expensive all of our groceries and other store items will be in the future if this shit goes on.
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It's all about limiting travel distance of people, making them poorer and more reliant on "service".
Also really "modern" cars will be only usable with an id and automatically shut off if you have breached any rules or regulations by the government.
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Bring back the steam engine...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Motor_Carriage_Company
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Bring back the steam engine...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Motor_Carriage_Company
Even better because it provides jobs...
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Its a waste of money. They are starting to figure it out
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It's all about limiting travel distance of people, making them poorer and more reliant on "service".
Also really "modern" cars will be only usable with an id and automatically shut off if you have breached any rules or regulations by the government.
all the chips in the car come from China
I read somewhere they have the capability of shutting all the cars down and even locking you in them remotely.
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all the chips in the car come from China
I read somewhere they have the capability of shutting all the cars down and even locking you in them remotely.
The CIA, NSA or MI6 can do it.
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The CIA, NSA or MI6 can do it.
they blocked all mobile phone signals during the London bombings on 7/7
Great when people were trying to call home and tell family they were safe
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all the chips in the car come from China
I read somewhere they have the capability of shutting all the cars down and even locking you in them remotely.
This is one huge psyops on green tech right now.
We are setup for huge shortages, it’s well known in big business the vessel routing just broke.
Suddenly it’s mass marketed not to buy green tech or EVs. That is a huge message down here, big scare campaign.
An event will happen in the ME which will will result in sending oil skyward. Suddenly people decide they want green tech and EVs due to energy price rises but the resulting shortages due to vessel routing around the ME will cause stockouts and prices rip skyward. It’s setup as a 2020-21 repeat.
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This is one huge psyops on green tech right now.
We are setup for huge shortages, it’s well known in big business the vessel routing just broke.
Suddenly it’s mass marketed not to buy green tech or EVs. That is a huge message down here, big scare campaign.
An event will happen in the ME which will will result in sending oil skyward. Suddenly people decide they want green tech and EVs due to energy price rises but the resulting shortages due to vessel routing around the ME will cause stockouts and prices rip skyward. It’s setup as a 2020-21 repeat.
Cali's power-grid cant even handle things as is, today.
Now they want gas-powered cars to be outlawed by a certain point while relying on a shitty / overloaded power-grid?
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I have a humble Nissan Altima. On one tank of gas I can go about 500 miles highway. Then fuel up in 5 minutes and continue for another 500 then its fucked.....
fixed ;D
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all the chips in the car come from China
I read somewhere they have the capability of shutting all the cars down and even locking you in them remotely.
you don’t know shit Taylor swift you probaby reading dum shit and dieting and roided like a pussy only because of steroids transponder keys don’t lock you out if you have the key to turn the lock cylinder try getting a job a car and pull the needle from your ass
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Cali's power-grid cant even handle things as is, today.
Now they want gas-powered cars to be outlawed by a certain point while relying on a shitty / overloaded power-grid?
It's a pipe dream that will turn into a nightmare.