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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The Weight Trained Male on December 29, 2023, 02:28:23 PM
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I didn't watch that. However, from what I have read that "he" (supposingly) wrote himself, he did two warm up sets of general movements and then straight into the workout. A typical workout would be :
Chest
1 set Machine flyes 6-10 reps. No pyramiding up, just get on the machine and do one set with your max weight for 6-10 reps
1 set Incline press on machine or Smith machine. Again, no warm up, no pyramiding. Load up the bar or machine and do 1-3 reps.
Back
1 set palms turned in pull downs. No warm ups, no pyramiding, one set 6-8 reps
1 set regular deadlifts. Load up the bar and do 1 set for 6-10 reps. If you have a lower back issues, swap it for 1 set of 6-10 shrugs.
Of course, there is no real knowledge of how this contributed to his physique because he was already jacked up before he started training this way and touting it. On paper, it looks like it would be a good way to train short term to shock the muscles in a different way. But I can't help but to think the risk of injury is much greater (look at Dorian who did a abbreviated style of this) and CNS burn out would occur fairly quick.
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Bro...
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I didn't watch that. However, from what I have read that "he" (supposingly) wrote himself, he did two warm up sets of general movements and then straight into the workout. A typical workout would be :
Chest
1 set Machine flyes 6-10 reps. No pyramiding up, just get on the machine and do one set with your max weight for 6-10 reps
1 set Incline press on machine or Smith machine. Again, no warm up, no pyramiding. Load up the bar or machine and do 1-3 reps.
Back
1 set palms turned in pull downs. No warm ups, no pyramiding, one set 6-8 reps
1 set regular deadlifts. Load up the bar and do 1 set for 6-10 reps. If you have a lower back issues, swap it for 1 set of 6-10 shrugs.
Of course, there is no real knowledge of how this contributed to his physique because he was already jacked up before he started training this way and touting it. On paper, it looks like it would be a good way to train short term to shock the muscles in a different way. But I can't help but to think the risk of injury is much greater (look at Dorian who did a abbreviated style of this) and CNS burn out would occur fairly quick.
Just my opinion
No style of training works forever
Switching training styles keeps the workouts fresh... and helps to avoid stagnation.
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I didn't watch that. However, from what I have read that "he" (supposingly) wrote himself, he did two warm up sets of general movements and then straight into the workout. A typical workout would be :
Chest
1 set Machine flyes 6-10 reps. No pyramiding up, just get on the machine and do one set with your max weight for 6-10 reps
1 set Incline press on machine or Smith machine. Again, no warm up, no pyramiding. Load up the bar or machine and do 1-3 reps.
Back
1 set palms turned in pull downs. No warm ups, no pyramiding, one set 6-8 reps
1 set regular deadlifts. Load up the bar and do 1 set for 6-10 reps. If you have a lower back issues, swap it for 1 set of 6-10 shrugs.
Of course, there is no real knowledge of how this contributed to his physique because he was already jacked up before he started training this way and touting it. On paper, it looks like it would be a good way to train short term to shock the muscles in a different way. But I can't help but to think the risk of injury is much greater (look at Dorian who did a abbreviated style of this) and CNS burn out would occur fairly quick.
If you didn't watch it your not qualified to comment on it. That is foolish and illogical.
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Mentzer videos are always motivational and informative.
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Just my opinion
No style of training works forever
Switching training styles keeps the workouts fresh... and helps to avoid stagnation.
That's gym folklore. Not rooted in science. Building muscle is a science, irrespective of your emotions.
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Mentzer's HIT is the only good way to bodybuild.
Nothing else works.
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It would seem that anabolic drugs are the key to building one's physique. Mentzer admitted to taking lots of them and said they aid in the recovery from such high intensity training and in the rebuilding of muscle tissue.
I have done H.I.T. a few times over the decades of my training and it doesn't seem to work any better than traditional volume training. It is brief and intense and it takes me a few days to recover and once someone trained H.I.T. with me no one wanted to train that way again.
If I do a Mentzer type workout now I just do so with lighter weights and more reps. But again, it doesn't seem to produce results but I am much older now so that is probably the problem. The drugs were the key to these champions and there is no getting around that truth for them.
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If you didn't watch it your not qualified to comment on it. That is foolish and illogical.
The second sentence that I wrote explains why I am qualified. I guess you didn’t make it that far. ADHD is a bitch huh?
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It would seem that anabolic drugs are the key to building one's physique. Mentzer admitted to taking lots of them and said they aid in the recovery from such high intensity training and in the rebuilding of muscle tissue.
I have done H.I.T. a few times over the decades of my training and it doesn't seem to work any better than traditional volume training. It is brief and intense and it takes me a few days to recover and once someone trained H.I.T. with me no one wanted to train that way again.
If I do a Mentzer type workout now I just do so with lighter weights and more reps. But again, it doesn't seem to produce results but I am much older now so that is probably the problem. The drugs were the key to these champions and there is no getting around that truth for them.
I had a book that quoted Mentzer as saying that he noticed that training with one set to failure and beyond helped him noticeably when he was not on steroids. He went on to say that it worked that much better as the show drew closer... and he started taking steroids.
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The second sentence that I wrote explains why I am qualified. I guess you didn’t make it that far. ADHD is a bitch huh?
This thread is about a specific video. You said you declined to view the video and then announced you would comment on it anyways. Having not seen the video, you are not qualified to discuss it.
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I knew his brother Ray very well. We used to meet for breakfast at Rocky Cola Cafe in Redondo Beach, CA. We always had great discussions on training, diet and drugs. Ray was one of the strongest guys I knew other than Rory Leidelmeyer and Bertil Fox. Watched him train at his Muscle Mills gym in Redondo Beach with Mike at times. One set to failure was done after 3 to 5 sets of warm ups. Ray could squat 500 lbs Easily. But had to warm up for that final failure set.....
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Get rid of this fucking clown please.
These gimmicks suck bigtime.
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his rest-pause one all out rep with with a 10-15 rest pause for 4 reps total can be used by natties but enhanched? snap city
don't know how the hell he did that on deca and dbol he's very lucky he never tore a pec or another muscle
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what's next, u going to post Arnold's workouts? lol
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his rest-pause one all out rep with with a 10-15 rest pause for 4 reps total can be used by natties but enhanched? snap city
don't know how the hell he did that on deca and dbol he's very lucky he never tore a pec or another muscle
Deca and dianabol. Lol...
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Mentzer had the right idea. Train for 8 minutes then take two weeks off.
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Lol
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Mentzer had the right idea. Train for 8 minutes then take two weeks off.
LÖL!
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Oh goody!!! Another Mentzer thread.
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Deca and dianabol. Lol...
you think he took other compounds?
larry pollack trained with him in the 80's and he said mentzer's stack at that time was 300 mgs of npp eod only that's a ton of npp
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Mentzer had the right idea. Train for 8 minutes then take two weeks off.
Alternated with training for two weeks and then 8 minutes off.
:D
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This thread is about a specific video. You said you declined to view the video and then announced you would comment on it anyways. Having not seen the video, you are not qualified to discuss it.
I commented on what/who the video was about. Try again after some Adderall. Or meth. To keep it relevant with Mentzer.
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John Little still milking the methzer crap. Why is it he can't show any actual evidence of hit working? 5 decades of this tripe and it still has a very dismal success rate. Hit sucks.
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you think he took other compounds?
larry pollack trained with him in the 80's and he said mentzer's stack at that time was 300 mgs of npp eod only that's a ton of npp
According to my discussions with Ray, and he was pretty open about everything with me, they did many different compounds and plenty of. Along with recreational drugs as well (especially Mike).
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I believe the Mentzers only ate lots of eggs.
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According to my discussions with Ray, and he was pretty open about everything with me, they did many different compounds and plenty of. Along with recreational drugs as well (especially Mike).
can i ask which other compounds and how much? this shit is fascinating 8)
meth isnt a muscle builder fat burner yeah ok
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HIT overtrains you faster than conventional "volume" training. HIT is a logical argument based on a false premise. That premise is that full intensity (100%) is the PRIMARY cause of muscular growth. That is not true. It has never been shown that full intensity is optimal for maximal growth. Full intensity IS the most stressful on the nervous system. The nervous system is what causes overtraining, not muscular fatigue. That's why runners can train everyday and not overtrain, yet performing single max attempts for even 1 exercise will quickly overtrain even if done 1x per week.
Where ARE the "HIT" trainers? methzer, before he died, used to take long layoffs, as did his brother Ray. Dorian Yates was a victim of burnout. Boyer Coe tried it for awhile and lost all kinds of size.
HIT HAS been around since the 70's. Where is ONE bodybuilding, powerlifting, olympic lifting champion that has used it since day 1 to develop their physique or talent?
The cream always rises to the top. Low carb diets, even though they were ridiculed by Doctors, the media, the food industry, nutritionists OVERCAME the nay sayers to become mainstream and accepted. Why? BECAUSE THEY WORK. Why hasn't HIT done the same?
HIT was given a fair shake by the "powers that be", like Bob Kennedy, Peary Rader etc. Ironman still promotes it or at least talks about it. HIT has had more of a fair shake than other "failed" systems. Yet, no HIT made champs. Not one.
Jones and Darden didn't get big doing HIT. They lifted conventionally before, then did HIT. That's why Jones came up with it in the first place, because he couldn't train as much anymore. He got lazy.
Why did Viator go back to conventional training? The Colorado experiment is just an example of: Muscle memory in an ARTIFICIALLY underweight NATURALLY big person who STARTED using drugs again AND training again. What a crock.
I always get a laugh out of people who say how "hard" HIT is. HIT is easy compared to some of the systems out there. Tom Platz did Mentzer intensity but for up to 30 sets per bodypart.
It is MUCH easier psychologically to get up for your 1 "Big set" than for a workout of TWENTY SETS per bodypart, then doing TWO MORE bodyparts for 20 sets. THEN coming back the next day and doing it again 6 days per week. Not even close in comparison. THAT'S hard.
It's the difference between sprinting an "all-out" 100 yard dash, and the pain of a mile run. NO COMPARISON.
AGAIN, why did Viator, Coe, Grymkowski go back to REGULAR HIGH VOLUME TRAINING. I guess they were sick of the results and gains, and wanted to be in the gym for 2 hours a day instead of 30 min 2x per week. LOL.
Hit sucks.
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RMJ11 has really gotten to me.
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I...am your father.
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I...am your father.
Yes but the real quextion be, do you be your father? ;D
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HIT overtrains you faster than conventional "volume" training. HIT is a logical argument based on a false premise. That premise is that full intensity (100%) is the PRIMARY cause of muscular growth. That is not true. It has never been shown that full intensity is optimal for maximal growth. Full intensity IS the most stressful on the nervous system. The nervous system is what causes overtraining, not muscular fatigue. That's why runners can train everyday and not overtrain, yet performing single max attempts for even 1 exercise will quickly overtrain even if done 1x per week.
Where ARE the "HIT" trainers? methzer, before he died, used to take long layoffs, as did his brother Ray. Dorian Yates was a victim of burnout. Boyer Coe tried it for awhile and lost all kinds of size.
HIT HAS been around since the 70's. Where is ONE bodybuilding, powerlifting, olympic lifting champion that has used it since day 1 to develop their physique or talent?
The cream always rises to the top. Low carb diets, even though they were ridiculed by Doctors, the media, the food industry, nutritionists OVERCAME the nay sayers to become mainstream and accepted. Why? BECAUSE THEY WORK. Why hasn't HIT done the same?
HIT was given a fair shake by the "powers that be", like Bob Kennedy, Peary Rader etc. Ironman still promotes it or at least talks about it. HIT has had more of a fair shake than other "failed" systems. Yet, no HIT made champs. Not one.
Jones and Darden didn't get big doing HIT. They lifted conventionally before, then did HIT. That's why Jones came up with it in the first place, because he couldn't train as much anymore. He got lazy.
Why did Viator go back to conventional training? The Colorado experiment is just an example of: Muscle memory in an ARTIFICIALLY underweight NATURALLY big person who STARTED using drugs again AND training again. What a crock.
I always get a laugh out of people who say how "hard" HIT is. HIT is easy compared to some of the systems out there. Tom Platz did Mentzer intensity but for up to 30 sets per bodypart.
It is MUCH easier psychologically to get up for your 1 "Big set" than for a workout of TWENTY SETS per bodypart, then doing TWO MORE bodyparts for 20 sets. THEN coming back the next day and doing it again 6 days per week. Not even close in comparison. THAT'S hard.
It's the difference between sprinting an "all-out" 100 yard dash, and the pain of a mile run. NO COMPARISON.
AGAIN, why did Viator, Coe, Grymkowski go back to REGULAR HIGH VOLUME TRAINING. I guess they were sick of the results and gains, and wanted to be in the gym for 2 hours a day instead of 30 min 2x per week. LOL.
Hit sucks.
This is true.
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Per Mike himself, this was his most productive Heavy Duty/H.I.T. routine:
Workout 1 (Monday)
Legs
Superset
Leg extensions 1 x 6-8
Leg presses 1 x 6-8
Squats 1 x 6-8
Leg curls 2 x 6-8
Calf raises 2 x 6-8
Toe presses 1 x 6-8
Chest
Superset
Dumbbell flyes or pec deck 1-2 x 6-8
Incline presses 1-2 x 6-8
Dips 2 x 6-8
Triceps
Superset
Pushdowns 1 x 6-8
Dips 1 x 6-8
Lying triceps extensions 2 x 6-8
Workout 2 (Wednesday)
Back
Superset
Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8
Close-grip pulldowns 2 x 6-8
Bent-over barbell rows 2 x 6-8
Traps
Superset
Universal machine shrugs 2 x 6-8
Upright rows 2 x 6-8
Shoulders
Superset
Nautilus laterals 2 x 6-8
Nautilus presses 2 x 6-8
Rear-delt rows 2 x 6-8
Biceps
Standing barbell curls 1 x 6-8
Concentration curls 2 x 6-8
‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly.
‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
‘For instance, rather than train Monday and Tuesday on a split routine, working half the body on Monday and the other half on Tuesday’I would do the first half of the body on Monday, skip Tuesday to recuperate and then train on Wednesday, rest on Thursday and repeat the cycle again, starting on Friday. That was the most result-producing routine that I ever used.’
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I believe the Mentzers only ate lots of eggs.
Duck or chicken? ;D
I...am your father.
Daddy!?
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Taffy funny!
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Duck or chicken?
For a man like Mike "a calorie is a calorie " Mentzer it would mot matter. He once claimed he got into contest shape eating candy bars.
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For a man like Mike "a calorie is a calorie " Mentzer it would mot matter. He once claimed he got into contest shape eating candy bars.
Would it not be true that as far as caloric value goes a calorie is indeed a calorie? Feb 25, To a scientist, a calorie is the quantity of heat (or energy) needed to boost the temperature of 1 ml of water by 1°C or 33.8°F.
It is the nutritional value that makes the difference, does it not? If one never trained and was sedentary but still consumed 7,000 "clean" calories a day wouldn't that person still get fat?
This seems correct to me and so in essence I too think that a calorie is a calorie but I could be wrong. Again. ;D
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For a man like Mike "a calorie is a calorie " Mentzer it would mot matter. He once claimed he got into contest shape eating candy bars.
......and the occasional apple.
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Would it not be true that as far as caloric value goes a calorie is indeed a calorie? Feb 25, To a scientist, a calorie is the quantity of heat (or energy) needed to boost the temperature of 1 ml of water by 1°C or 33.8°F.
It is the nutritional value that makes the difference, does it not? If one never trained and was sedentary but still consumed 7,000 "clean" calories a day wouldn't that person still get fat?
This seems correct to me and so in essence I too think that a calorie is a calorie but I could be wrong. Again. ;D
It`s about macros not calories.
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Per Mike himself, this was his most productive Heavy Duty/H.I.T. routine:
Workout 1 (Monday)
Legs
Superset
Leg extensions 1 x 6-8
Leg presses 1 x 6-8
Squats 1 x 6-8
Leg curls 2 x 6-8
Calf raises 2 x 6-8
Toe presses 1 x 6-8
Chest
Superset
Dumbbell flyes or pec deck 1-2 x 6-8
Incline presses 1-2 x 6-8
Dips 2 x 6-8
Triceps
Superset
Pushdowns 1 x 6-8
Dips 1 x 6-8
Lying triceps extensions 2 x 6-8
Workout 2 (Wednesday)
Back
Superset
Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8
Close-grip pulldowns 2 x 6-8
Bent-over barbell rows 2 x 6-8
Traps
Superset
Universal machine shrugs 2 x 6-8
Upright rows 2 x 6-8
Shoulders
Superset
Nautilus laterals 2 x 6-8
Nautilus presses 2 x 6-8
Rear-delt rows 2 x 6-8
Biceps
Standing barbell curls 1 x 6-8
Concentration curls 2 x 6-8
‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly.
‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
‘For instance, rather than train Monday and Tuesday on a split routine, working half the body on Monday and the other half on Tuesday’I would do the first half of the body on Monday, skip Tuesday to recuperate and then train on Wednesday, rest on Thursday and repeat the cycle again, starting on Friday. That was the most result-producing routine that I ever used.’
No wonder he couldn't win the Olympia with a crappy routine like that.
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Would it not be true that as far as caloric value goes a calorie is indeed a calorie? Feb 25, To a scientist, a calorie is the quantity of heat (or energy) needed to boost the temperature of 1 ml of water by 1°C or 33.8°F.
It is the nutritional value that makes the difference, does it not? If one never trained and was sedentary but still consumed 7,000 "clean" calories a day wouldn't that person still get fat?
This seems correct to me and so in essence I too think that a calorie is a calorie but I could be wrong. Again. ;D
Strictly speaking....yes , you make a great point. I think the issue, like you said, is the "nutritional content." Anything producing an insulin response or resistance, I would have to guess, would make it difficult to get ripped for a contest?
I mean rice, quinoa, duck eggs or quail eggs is one thing but getting ripped on Toblerones is hard to believe.
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For a man like Mike "a calorie is a calorie " Mentzer it would mot matter. He once claimed he got into contest shape eating candy bars.
If he was on his 800 calorie a day diet that would just be 3 candy bars all day long. No wonder he was so uptight.
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I believe the Mentzers only ate lots of eggs.
.......as did the Munsters! ;)
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If he was on his 800 calorie a day diet that would just be 3 candy bars all day long. No wonder he was so uptight.
Why are you responding to your own gimmick AGAIN?
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Why are you responding to your own gimmick AGAIN?
Stop harrassing me and my gimmicks.
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Stop harrassing me and my gimmicks.
You can try to laugh it off but it's not working. You are also soon to be exposed on Anabolicminds and UG Bodybuilding forums, among others. Even the prostitution forum you post on. Moron.
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You can try to laugh it off but it's not working. You are also soon to be exposed on Anabolicminds and UG Bodybuilding forums, among others. Even the prostitution forum you post on. Moron.
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Stop harrassing me and my gimmicks.
There are only 2 people who post on Getbig, Royalty and me (us). Just 1000 gimmicks that I (we) run from laptop to tablet to phone to pc all day long posting.
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For people with poor recovery genes, HIT makes bodybuilding possible. Won't make champions since people with poor recovery are bad athletes.
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There are only 2 people who post on Getbig, Royalty and me (us). Just 1000 gimmicks that I (we) run from laptop to tablet to phone to pc all day long posting.
And you are all my gimmicks. ;)
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And you are all my gimmicks. ;)
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I am you, and you are him.
They/Them
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For people with poor recovery genes, HIT makes bodybuilding possible. Won't make champions since people with poor recovery are bad athletes.
So Dorian had poor Genetics :D
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And you are all my gimmicks. ;)
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I am talking to myself again.
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Gimmicks unite! One for all and all for one
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I am talking to myself again.
Settle down, myself/my gimmick.
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Settle down, myself/my gimmick.
There is no rest for me. I spend 24/7 posting on my 300 gimmick accounts. Ron pays me a salary to post constantly to make Getbig look like it has a lot of posters.
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I am you, and you are him.
I am the Walrus !! :D
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I mean does this bullshit eeally need another explanation?
Its not rocket science.
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So Dorian had poor Genetics :D
Dorian worked out nearly everyday, not every two weeks. :D
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There is no rest for me. I spend 24/7 posting on my 300 gimmick accounts. Ron pays me a salary to post constantly to make Getbig look like it has a lot of posters.
Who gets paid more...you or Bhanky?
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Who gets paid more...you or Bhanky?
By the looks of his house, he does. I'm going to demand a raise.