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I seldom start posts here. Just wanted to say thank you. I don't even know if it's warranted but maybe it completely is. I had a high PSA test and prostate cancer runs in my family. It wasn't really high but over 4.0. The urologist said there are advanced PSA tests and he wanted to give them to me spaced a couple of months apart. He said if bad then an invasive biopsy, then you know if that is bad what comes. It's prostate removal or destroy it with radiation. Afterwards most have trouble getting it up and pee in their pants. With radiation many have the runs as it burns every thing down there even though they try to target just the prostate. The doctor can also chemically castrate you with a pill to eliminate testosterone to slow the growth.
I mentioned it on a thread months back I had a high PSA and someone said try Vitamin K. I really don't know who said it. I did the usual google research and it just seemed like there was one minor study saying it helped but a bunch that said it did nothing. Having nothing to lose I bought two bottles. So I have the two advanced PSA blood tests spaced months apart after dosing with vitamin K. Vitamin K supplements are cheap. What the fuck do you know? My PSA dropped 50%.
I see the urologist in two weeks. I really need an explanation. I know stuff like riding a bike with the seat pressure can make a PSA reading go up. As well as cumming the day before a test. Some things on the internet say vigorous exercise can make it rise too.
How did I go from my GP doc and urologist saying I might have prostate cancer to having PSA readings of a 30 year old? Was it the vitamin K? I don't know and I can't wait to hear the explanation the urologist will give in two weeks.
I already have one cancer and to think I might have another was just depressing. I think and hope this scare with the prostate is unfounded. Thanks again to the guy who recommended vitamin K. It might have nothing to do with it but fuck I will take a low PSA reading and run with it.
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Sounds great Rich,quite the improvement.......all the best to you.
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I'm happy for you.
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I seldom start posts here. Just wanted to say thank you. I don't even know if it's warranted but maybe it completely is. I had a high PSA test and prostate cancer runs in my family. It wasn't really high but over 4.0. The urologist said there are advanced PSA tests and he wanted to give to me he he spaced them a couple of months apart. He said if bad then an invasive biopsy, then you know if that is bad what comes. It's prostate removal or destroy it with radiation. Afterwards most have trouble getting it up and pee in their pants. With radiation many have the runs as it burns every thing down there even though they try to target just the prostate.
I mentioned it on a thread months back I had a high PSA and someone said try Vitamin K. I really don't know who said it. I did the usual google research and it just seemed like there was one minor study saying it helped but a bunch that said it did nothing. Having nothing to lose I bought two bottles. So I have the two advanced PSA blood tests spaced months apart after dosing with vitamin K. Vitamin K supplements are cheap. What the fuck do you know? My PSA dropped 50%.
I see the urologist in two weeks. I really need an explanation. I know stuff like riding a bike with the seat pressure can make a PSA reading go up. As well as cumming the day before a test. Some things on the internet say vigorous exercise can make it rise too.
How did I go from my GP doc and urologist saying I might have prostate cancer to having PSA readings of a 30 year old? Was it the vitamin K? I don't know and I can't wait to hear the explanation the urologist will give in two weeks.
I already have one cancer and to think I might have another was just depressing. I think and hope this scare with the prostate is unfounded. Thanks again to the guy who recommended vitamin K. It might have nothing to do with it but fuck I will take a low PSA reading and run with it.
Not sure if this is the thread, if it is Sandrock is your man. Good luck regardless:
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TAKE VITAMIN K
IT'S REALLY CHEAP
JUST GIVE IT A TRY YOU FUCKOS
https://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-ultra-vitamin-k-includes-advanced-k2-complex-180-softgels
Take 3(at a time) a day with fat.
I did the google thing with Vitamin K. It might help. This fucko just ordered some. Ordinary multiple vitamins really skimp on Vitamin K. Most have something like 20% of the minimum requirement of K.
You are no longer a fucko!!! I hope it helps you too!
https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=685716.25
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I am happy for you and your family! In all ways and for always, be well.
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Glad you're better. If you're on coumadin let them know you're taking it. Best wishes to you.
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Hi! Great news! Did you tell your Dr about the vitamin K? Didn't know if it's maybe masking something by bringing the PSA down.
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Nice rich…peace brother
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Congratulations on the positive results!
What dosages of vitamin K were you using?
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I seldom start posts here. Just wanted to say thank you. I don't even know if it's warranted but maybe it completely is. I had a high PSA test and prostate cancer runs in my family. It wasn't really high but over 4.0. The urologist said there are advanced PSA tests and he wanted to give them to me spaced a couple of months apart. He said if bad then an invasive biopsy, then you know if that is bad what comes. It's prostate removal or destroy it with radiation. Afterwards most have trouble getting it up and pee in their pants. With radiation many have the runs as it burns every thing down there even though they try to target just the prostate. The doctor can also chemically castrate you with a pill to eliminate testosterone to slow the growth.
I mentioned it on a thread months back I had a high PSA and someone said try Vitamin K. I really don't know who said it. I did the usual google research and it just seemed like there was one minor study saying it helped but a bunch that said it did nothing. Having nothing to lose I bought two bottles. So I have the two advanced PSA blood tests spaced months apart after dosing with vitamin K. Vitamin K supplements are cheap. What the fuck do you know? My PSA dropped 50%.
I see the urologist in two weeks. I really need an explanation. I know stuff like riding a bike with the seat pressure can make a PSA reading go up. As well as cumming the day before a test. Some things on the internet say vigorous exercise can make it rise too.
How did I go from my GP doc and urologist saying I might have prostate cancer to having PSA readings of a 30 year old? Was it the vitamin K? I don't know and I can't wait to hear the explanation the urologist will give in two weeks.
I already have one cancer and to think I might have another was just depressing. I think and hope this scare with the prostate is unfounded. Thanks again to the guy who recommended vitamin K. It might have nothing to do with it but fuck I will take a low PSA reading and run with it.
Great news OT1! Keep doing what you're doing, it's obviously working for you.
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Yes, Thank you Sandrock.
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Congratulations on the positive results!
What dosages of vitamin K were you using?
Just a 100 mcg and what ever is in my multi vitamin. Just got a new bottle off of Amazon that I haven't taken yet and it's 300mcg.
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Hi! Great news! Did you tell your Dr about the vitamin K? Didn't know if it's maybe masking something by bringing the PSA down.
That's a depressing thought.
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My PSA always moves around. And I have been on TRT 200mg a week for over 20 years. Generally in the 2.0 to 4.0 mark. Occasionally jumps up to 6.0 and then back down. I have had two biopsies and both negative. When my number raises my endocrinologist puts me on an antibiotic. He claims i have a prostate infection. The antibiotic brings it down to range. Not sure your age but your PSA number is low. The marker is when it just keeps increasing and increasing. Best wishes..
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Good to hear. Vitamin K has a lot of health benefits.
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My father, 77yo, has prostate cancer, mild case. His PSA was also 4. The doctor prescribed him radiation and testosterone supression injections. His PSA went to zero and his prostate shrunk. The lack of test gave him many other issues, deregulating other mild health issues he has (diabetes, thyroid, arthritis). This treatment went for 6 months.
Now his PSA, even within normal range, is getting higher (wich is normal), but the doctor wants to supress his test to zero again (sits at 100 right now). I believethe doctor want PSA near zero for 4 years, to "kill" the cancer, if ever it will happen. No radiotherapy needed by now.
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My PSA always moves around. And I have been on TRT 200mg a week for over 20 years. Generally in the 2.0 to 4.0 mark. Occasionally jumps up to 6.0 and then back down. I have had two biopsies and both negative. When my number raises my endocrinologist puts me on an antibiotic. He claims i have a prostate infection. The antibiotic brings it down to range. Not sure your age but your PSA number is low. The marker is when it just keeps increasing and increasing. Best wishes..
Mine was 4.5 I believe. My brother and father had prostate cancer. Now I have one below 2 and one test something like a 2.7. Yes, I am low now. Didn't know an infection could make it jump too.
I heard the biopsies have a high infection rate.
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My father, 77yo, has prostate cancer, mild case. His PSA was also 4. The doctor prescribed him radiation and testosterone supression injections. His PSA went to zero and his prostate shrunk. The lack of test gave him many other issues, deregulating other mild health issues he has (diabetes, thyroid, arthritis). This treatment went for 6 months.
Now his PSA, even within normal range, is getting higher (wich is normal), but the doctor wants to supress his test to zero again (sits at 100 right now). I believethe doctor want PSA near zero for 4 years, to "kill" the cancer, if ever it will happen. No radiotherapy needed by now.
My brother is 78. He had radiation to burn away his prostate. He told me it was a big mistake. According to my brother he said he felt fine prior. He also said, prostate cancer is a slow growing cancer and it could take well over ten years before it spreads. He had the peeing in his pants and having trouble getting it up after radiation. I know most young guys would say he's 78 what does he care about erections but a man is a man till the day he dies. Also had pooping problems because the radiation burned too much down there. He advised me to not do anything about a high PSA level. He regrets having radiation. Prior to the radiation they too cut off his natural testosterone and he wasn't happy about it.
I told my urologist what my brother said. He shrugged it off. I'm sure he makes a mint with prostate operations and biopsies as his brand new Porche suggests. His response was, "Don't you want to live to your 80's?"
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In my father case the doctor told him that he will die with, but not from prostate cancer. Mostly due to his age.
Life afer prostate removal surgery is hell. Men lost peeing control, have to use diapers and i doubt they recover erectil function. Read somewhere that there is a new approach of puting a stent to allow urine flow.
I believe he is going to get a second opinion on the matter, regarding test supression.
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My brother is 78. He had radiation to burn away his prostate. He told me it was a big mistake. According to my brother he said he felt fine prior. He also said, prostate cancer is a slow growing cancer and it could take well over ten years before it spreads. He had the peeing in his pants and having trouble getting it up after radiation. I know most young guys would say he's 78 what does he care about erections but a man is a man till the day he dies. Also had pooping problems because the radiation burned too much down there. He advised me to not do anything about a high PSA level. He regrets having radiation. Prior to the radiation they too cut off his natural testosterone and he wasn't happy about it.
I told my urologist what my brother said. He shrugged it off. I'm sure he makes a mint with prostate operations and biopsies as his brand new Porche suggests. His response was, "Don't you want to live to your 80's?"
Every single medical intervention has risks and benefits, and it’s up to the patient to decide with their physician whether or not the benefits outweigh the risks. Radical prostatectomy has high incidence of side effects, but so does metastatic prostate cancer. Keep in mind that the incidence of side effects is greater in patients with higher bmi, more comorbidities etc.
It’s great that the Vitamin K seems to be lowering your PSA values, hopefully it’ll be a long term solution for you. Let your physician know and tell him that you would prefer to actively monitor the status of your prostate rather than opt for any invasive procedures. If he has an issue with this, find a new one.
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My old man had laser surgery. It damaged the piss sphincter and resulted in constant dribbling. Now he has an artificial sphincter which is actuated by squeezing part B which resides in his scrotum.
If you are at a bus stop with him, or in line at the bank, he will tell you, and anyone nearby, all about it. "Artificial sphincter" was his catch phrase for a good few years there.
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That's a depressing thought.
Hey no didn't mean anything by that. I've sinced googled and vitamin K has lots of positive things regarding prostate health so it's helping. Consider getting a 2nd opinion on your issues too.
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Best wishes to you, hope everything works out. Interesting about the vitamin K.
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Almost 16,500 posts but does not post a lot ;D
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I seldom start posts here. Just wanted to say thank you. I don't even know if it's warranted but maybe it completely is. I had a high PSA test and prostate cancer runs in my family. It wasn't really high but over 4.0. The urologist said there are advanced PSA tests and he wanted to give them to me spaced a couple of months apart. He said if bad then an invasive biopsy, then you know if that is bad what comes. It's prostate removal or destroy it with radiation. Afterwards most have trouble getting it up and pee in their pants. With radiation many have the runs as it burns every thing down there even though they try to target just the prostate. The doctor can also chemically castrate you with a pill to eliminate testosterone to slow the growth.
I mentioned it on a thread months back I had a high PSA and someone said try Vitamin K. I really don't know who said it. I did the usual google research and it just seemed like there was one minor study saying it helped but a bunch that said it did nothing. Having nothing to lose I bought two bottles. So I have the two advanced PSA blood tests spaced months apart after dosing with vitamin K. Vitamin K supplements are cheap. What the fuck do you know? My PSA dropped 50%.
I see the urologist in two weeks. I really need an explanation. I know stuff like riding a bike with the seat pressure can make a PSA reading go up. As well as cumming the day before a test. Some things on the internet say vigorous exercise can make it rise too.
How did I go from my GP doc and urologist saying I might have prostate cancer to having PSA readings of a 30 year old? Was it the vitamin K? I don't know and I can't wait to hear the explanation the urologist will give in two weeks.
I already have one cancer and to think I might have another was just depressing. I think and hope this scare with the prostate is unfounded. Thanks again to the guy who recommended vitamin K. It might have nothing to do with it but fuck I will take a low PSA reading and run with it.
GOOGLE LYCOPENE. my psa was over 10 I had a biopsy found nothing, started to take lycopene in 4 weeks I went down to 6. ??? I also started drinking a little tomato juice.
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Almost 16,500 posts but does not post a lot ;D
I said I don't start posts on the gossip and opinions.
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Yes, Thank you Sandrock.
Hot dog! Good to hear man. And you're only taking a little weenie dose. I use these from vitacost:
https://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-ultra-vitamin-k-includes-advanced-k2-complex-180-softgels
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Hot dog! Good to hear man. And you're only taking a little weenie dose. I use these from vitacost:
https://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-ultra-vitamin-k-includes-advanced-k2-complex-180-softgels
That's an insane dosage. Is K2 better than K1?
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That's an insane dosage. Is K2 better than K1?
They actually sell some K2 in 5 MILLIGRAM caps on ebay and amazon. Supposedly very high dose vitamin k is used in Japan to decalcify arteries but I don't know if that's actually true. Each type of k1/k2 has different effects/half lives.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7238900/
"Matrix GLA protein (MGP)—found in the tissues of the heart, kidneys, and lungs—plays a dominant role in vascular calcium metabolism. Its production is stimulated by Vitamin D3, but it requires adequate Vitamin K2 intakes to be activated (similar to the bone-building protein osteocalcin). Once activated by Vitamin K2, MGP can bind calcium and escort it out of the areas where this mineral is destructive, namely arteries and soft tissues.1,4
No other productive mechanism for maintaining flexible blood vessels walls has been discovered, which makes MGP the only known and most potent existing inhibitor of cardiovascular calcification.
That is why Vitamin K2 is crucial as a cardiovascular health nutrient. Here we will endeavor to clear up considerable confusion about Vitamin K2, ensuring the right form is identified, as well as provide the substantial body of evidence confirming its role as a cardiovascular-support nutrient."
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They actually sell some K2 in 5 MILLIGRAM caps on ebay and amazon. Supposedly very high dose vitamin k is used in Japan to decalcify arteries but I don't know if that's actually true. Each type of k1/k2 has different effects/half lives.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7238900/
"Matrix GLA protein (MGP)—found in the tissues of the heart, kidneys, and lungs—plays a dominant role in vascular calcium metabolism. Its production is stimulated by Vitamin D3, but it requires adequate Vitamin K2 intakes to be activated (similar to the bone-building protein osteocalcin). Once activated by Vitamin K2, MGP can bind calcium and escort it out of the areas where this mineral is destructive, namely arteries and soft tissues.1,4
No other productive mechanism for maintaining flexible blood vessels walls has been discovered, which makes MGP the only known and most potent existing inhibitor of cardiovascular calcification.
That is why Vitamin K2 is crucial as a cardiovascular health nutrient. Here we will endeavor to clear up considerable confusion about Vitamin K2, ensuring the right form is identified, as well as provide the substantial body of evidence confirming its role as a cardiovascular-support nutrient."
Don't know what to make out of this? Going to up the dose on K2 along with my D3. It possibly worked for me before and now I'm upping the dose for heart health.
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These are horrifying stories of prostate cancer. Aging sucks!
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These are horrifying stories of prostate cancer. Aging sucks!
Prostate cancer is horrible. The cure makes you want to die. Look at the high rate of problems. You can't get it up; pissing in your pants; crapping in your pants because the radiation destroyed your sphincter muscle and nerves; and lastly for many they cut off your own testosterone with a pill or by injecting a drug. Now you got man boobs and your dick doesn't work. Hey, at least you're alive. Of course I did the worst case scenarios. What I mentioned though is a huge number of guys that had the "fix".
Sometimes I wonder if steroid users realize they are accelerating prostate growth? Urologist will tell you if prostate cancer spreads it leads to a horrible death so many are scared into radiation or removal. A urologist will encourage the fix because a payment is due on his $700K vacation house and Porsche. Also he doesn't want to get sued if he doesn't recommend the fix attempt. For many prostate cancer is slow growing. Many will die from old age before they die from the cancer spreading.
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Prostate cancer is horrible. The cure makes you want to die. Look at the high rate of problems. You can't get it up; pissing in your pants; crapping in your pants because the radiation destroyed your sphincter muscle and nerves; and lastly for many they cut off your own testosterone with a pill or by injecting a drug. Now you got man boobs and your dick doesn't work. Hey, at least you're alive. Of course I did the worst case scenarios. What I mentioned though is a huge number of guys that had the "fix".
Sometimes I wonder if steroid users realize they are accelerating prostate growth? Urologist will tell you if prostate cancer spreads it leads to a horrible death so many are scared into radiation or removal. A urologist will encourage the fix because a payment is due on his $700K vacation house and Porsche. Also he doesn't want to get sued if he doesn't recommend the fix attempt. For many prostate cancer is slow growing. Many will die from old age before they die from the cancer spreading.
I have an uncle who received the radiation pellets. If I were over 70 when diagnosed I think I'd just let it go.
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Many long-term “steroid users” with better health than the clueless OP.
$700K vacation house? That’s a bungalow in a less desirable vacation locale if you’re lucky.
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Great news ! keep pumpin´
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Many long-term “steroid users” with better health than the clueless OP.
$700K vacation house? That’s a bungalow in a less desirable vacation locale if you’re lucky.
Really, steroid users have better health?
I just used a figure for a little vacation house. I know in places like California it buys a shack but you can buy a nice vacation house in places like South Carolina for that price. The house I live in is nice and big and it goes for almost 700K. Bet the urologist's main house is worth millions.
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Really, steroid users have better health?
Steroids can be detrimental to health but you also want healthy bodybuilders to get off their HRT testosterone when they might already be 60 or 70 to prove something. To prove that their outward fitness is chemical induced? Well duh, that's the whole point in taking them. And as you know living clean doesn't excempt you from disease. Steroid users take a small (or big, depending on your opinion) risk, but it might be worth it sometimes. I wonder what your animosity is really due to, it's like very venomous hatred. I don't remember, did you take steroids in your youth? In my first gyms there were always a bunch of "old men" decrying steroids and trying to police the the members to keep them steroid free. These fellas typically faded early from whatever and were really not convincing anybody, no one wanted their flabby body and cranky attitude.
You can have different legit opinions either way but test replacement could be compared to estrogen replacement in women. The policy changed to discouragingg estrogen replacement due to the increased cancer risks with it but you can still have it if you and your doctor feel that on the balance it probably helps more than hurts. Test replacement should be like that, not something plainly immoral as you make it sound like.
That's just like my opinion, man.
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Steroids can be detrimental to health but you also want healthy bodybuilders to get off their HRT testosterone when they might already be 60 or 70 to prove something. To prove that their outward fitness is chemical induced? Well duh, that's the whole point in taking them. And as you know living clean doesn't excempt you from disease. Steroid users take a small (or big, depending on your opinion) risk, but it might be worth it sometimes. I wonder what your animosity is really due to, it's like very venomous hatred. I don't remember, did you take steroids in your youth? In my first gyms there were always a bunch of "old men" decrying steroids and trying to police the the members to keep them steroid free. These fellas typically faded early from whatever and were really not convincing anybody, no one wanted their flabby body and cranky attitude.
You can have different legit opinions either way but test replacement could be compared to estrogen replacement in women. The policy changed to discouragingg estrogen replacement due to the increased cancer risks with it but you can still have it if you and your doctor feel that on the balance it probably helps more than hurts. Test replacement should be like that, not something plainly immoral as you make it sound like.
That's just like my opinion, man.
Absolutely Spot On...I'm on TRT and will be even in my 70's If I ever make it that far...Quality of life and feeling alive is more important to me. At the end of the line, It is what it is...
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Late to the thread but read enough to convince me to add some of this stuff to my usual D vit. It's always low when I have a blood test
As for PSA counts - my brother in law had a scare a couple of years back. He'd been separated from his Wife a couple of years and had seen little zero action. So although it was a difficult conversation, I advised him to clean his pipes once a week until the next test - he came back smiling, apparently normal range again
Absolutely no idea if my 'advices' helped as I didn't like to ask... ;D
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Late to the thread but read enough to convince me to add some of this stuff to my usual D vit. It's always low when I have a blood test
As for PSA counts - my brother in law had a scare a couple of years back. He'd been separated from his Wife a couple of years and had seen little zero action. So although it was a difficult conversation, I advised him to clean his pipes once a week until the next test - he came back smiling, apparently normal range again
Absolutely no idea if my 'advices' helped as I didn't like to ask... ;D
Cumming before a psa test can give a false high test. I have no idea about this stuff but I wouldn't never in the future cum days before a PSA test.
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Late to the thread but read enough to convince me to add some of this stuff to my usual D vit. It's always low when I have a blood test
As for PSA counts - my brother in law had a scare a couple of years back. He'd been separated from his Wife a couple of years and had seen little zero action. So although it was a difficult conversation, I advised him to clean his pipes once a week until the next test - he came back smiling, apparently normal range again
Absolutely no idea if my 'advices' helped as I didn't like to ask... ;D
Good advices.
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Saw the urologist today. He said no biopsy because of the two low recent PSA tests. He added he has no idea why it was high? Said it could have been riding a bike or having sex the day or days before the test. Anyway I'm in the clear. Apparently having sex before a PSA test can give you high reading. You can keep your pipes clear but the days before a PSA test refrain from shooting your load.
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Glad to hear it, OT.
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Saw the urologist today. He said no biopsy because of the two low recent PSA tests. He added he has no idea why it was high? Said it could have been riding a bike or having sex the day or days before the test. Anyway I'm in the clear. Apparently having sex before a PSA test can give you high reading. You can keep your pipes clear but the days before a PSA test refrain from shooting your load.
That's great news! Did you tell him about the vitamin K? Didn't know if he had any thoughts about that.
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Saw the urologist today. He said no biopsy because of the two low recent PSA tests. He added he has no idea why it was high? Said it could have been riding a bike or having sex the day or days before the test. Anyway I'm in the clear. Apparently having sex before a PSA test can give you high reading. You can keep your pipes clear but the days before a PSA test refrain from shooting your load.
Great news!! :)
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Many long-term “steroid users” with better health than the clueless OP.
$700K vacation house? That’s a bungalow in a less desirable vacation locale if you’re lucky.
2nd homes are not cheap
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2nd homes are not cheap
Depends on how much you pay for it you fucking fool
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Regarding the statement about my urologist paying his mortgage on a vacation house that costs $700 grand that I pulled out of my ass. I take it back. Forgot everyone here is GQ handsome, lives in a 2.5 million dollar house, fucks super models and vacation in Dubai. I didn't want the urologist to be doing possible unnecessary biopsies on me that will finance his 3 million dollar vacation house.
I live in a house worth between $650K and 700K. It's a damn fine big house. I know in California and plenty of the places that buys a little shit hole shack but in central jersey you could do well with that amount.
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Regarding the statement about my urologist paying his mortgage on a vacation house that costs $700 grand that I pulled out of my ass. I take it back. Forgot everyone here is GQ handsome, lives in a 2.5 million dollar house, fucks super models and vacation in Dubai. I didn't want the urologist to be doing possible unnecessary biopsies on me that will finance his 3 million dollar vacation house.
I live in a house worth between $650K and 700K. It's a damn fine big house. I know in California and plenty of the places that buys a little shit hole shack but in central jersey you could do well with that amount.
In the Midwest you can buy a mansion with that much.
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Saw the urologist today. He said no biopsy because of the two low recent PSA tests. He added he has no idea why it was high? Said it could have been riding a bike or having sex the day or days before the test. Anyway I'm in the clear. Apparently having sex before a PSA test can give you high reading. You can keep your pipes clear but the days before a PSA test refrain from shooting your load.
Don't ride bike to girlfriends house before test - check ;D
But seriously, glad to hear your good news 8)
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That's great news! Did you tell him about the vitamin K? Didn't know if he had any thoughts about that.
I forgot. They left me in the little waiting room for 15-20 minutes. Truth be told I was a little stressed thinking he would recommend a biopsy anyway because my older brother had prostate cancer. He did say if you ride a bike or have sexual activities the day before a test it could give a false high reading. Like I mentioned previously, my googling vitamin K shows in one study it helped but in most others it did nothing. All I know is I have a low reading after taking it and will continue to use it. I even used a very low dose. My next bottle I have sealed and unused yet is three times as strong as what I'm taking now. I presently use 100 mcg and my multi has 30 mcg. My new one I got off amazon has 300 mcg. I will start taking it as soon.