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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: HERACLES on May 01, 2006, 03:15:12 PM
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To me, it was a dissapointment. I thought "Oh no, now they are mixing WWE with Pro bodybuilding?" Well, honeslty I looked at pro bodyuilding at a higher level than the cheesesy WWE. Then seeing HHH commentating with LEvrone, was sad to me, because a real embassador of the sport should of been side by side with LEvrone, not a tool like HHH, wannabe.
Anyhow, I think its a big mistake, and maybe PDI org will be different, and not mix wrestlers with pro bodybuilding. It looks bad. There shoul dbe ab "eliteness" to pro bodybuilding. DOnt mix it with pro wrestlers..or I should say "Pro actors"....When I saw HHH signing autographs at the Expo i thought "omg" ::) AS a WWE wrestler, sure, hes entertaining. But mixing people like him with pro bodybuilding really makes pro bodybuilding look "WWE LIKE"...
Anyone else agree?
I wonder waht some of the pros here think? If I was a pro, I would be pretty annoyed.
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Great topic, but I disagree with your assessment of HHH. He actually made the show a lot more livelier in both 2004 and 2005. In 2004 Kevin (levrone) was acting like a retard the whole time, staring blankly at the camera - he actually seemed (and acted) more brain depleted than all the bodybuilders who were actually depleted (like Ronnie).
In 2005, Mike Adamly, the host made a whole lot of embarrasing mistakes like calling Branch warren, Branch keller and stumbling for words etc. Plus the challenge round was so poorly organised and conducted. Thanks to HHH though, everyone was kept entertained. He actually did a great job of making people overlook the flaws. Even Arnold commented how he was glad to see HHH onstage.
I think HHH should continue to (co)host the Olympia.
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He was good. Levrone was hurting though.... sorry Earl :-X
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But dont you think its a problem that he is out of the WWE? DOnt you think a guy like Shawn Ray, Levrone, or Lee Priest (if not competing) woul dbe a better fit for commentating the SUPERBOWL of pro bodybuilding instead of HHH>?
I like HHH, but I dont like him mixed in Pro bodybuilding. It brings Pro bodybuilding down to WWEs standards, or look.
Pretty soon youll have O bunch of trailor park folks going to bodybuilding shows, waiting for Jay cutler to smack the sandow over Ronnies head in 2006 if he doesnt win this year! ;D
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But dont you think its a problem that he is out of the WWE? DOnt you think a guy like Shawn Ray, Levrone, or Lee Priest (if not competing) woul dbe a better fit for commentating the SUPERBOWL of pro bodybuilding instead of HHH>?
I like HHH, but I dont like him mixed in Pro bodybuilding. It brings Pro bodybuilding down to WWEs standards, or look.
Pretty soon youll have O bunch of trailor park folks going to bodybuilding shows, waiting for Jay cutler to smack the sandow over Ronnies head in 2006 if he doesnt win this year! ;D
I dont see him being out of the WWE a problem. He is pretty good with what he does. He has a reasonably good knowledge of bodybuilding, not to mention respect for the bodybuilders themselves. He actually makes the whole thing entertaining by co-hosting it. Shawn or Lee would be good, but they tend to get too factual to the point of making the whole commentary a little too dry.
Ideally, it would be really good to have an ex-pro to give a factual assessment of the proceeds/bodybuilders, while HHH adds his own tidbits as a flavouring. While he does try to get the Pros to smacktalk each other a little bit, no one goes over the top anyway. Its all good fun IMO.
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I thought HHH was great....they need someone lively like that broadcasting during a bodybuilding show
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Great topic, but I disagree with your assessment of HHH. He actually made the show a lot more livelier in both 2004 and 2005. In 2004 Kevin (levrone) was acting like a retard the whole time, staring blankly at the camera - he actually seemed (and acted) more brain depleted than all the bodybuilders who were actually depleted (like Ronnie).
In 2005, Mike Adamly, the host made a whole lot of embarrasing mistakes like calling Branch warren, Branch keller and stumbling for words etc. Plus the challenge round was so poorly organised and conducted. Thanks to HHH though, everyone was kept entertained. He actually did a great job of making people overlook the flaws. Even Arnold commented how he was glad to see HHH onstage.
I think HHH should continue to (co)host the Olympia.
I totally agree with you, especially about the Levrone part. You hit it right on the head.
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Triple HHH is an entertainer, bottom line. He entertains an otherwise boring show. And the guy had at one time, a good physique.(not now, though).
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Wow Im surprised honestly at the replies.
So no one thinks it discredits bodybuilding? You know, wrestling is FAKE, so FAKE+Pro bodybuilding?
Im probably being narrow minded.
I wouldnt have it that way. It would be Shawn Ray, or anyone that is knowledgeable about the competitors, and the sport...
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HHH, is better than Richard Simmons, or Chuck Norris
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Triple HHH is an entertainer, bottom line. He entertains an otherwise boring show. And the guy had at one time, a good physique.(not now, though).
If you find the MRO boring, you mus tnot be a bodybuilder, or know the sport.
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Wow Im surprised honestly at the replies.
So no one thinks it discredits bodybuilding? You know, wrestling is FAKE, so FAKE+Pro bodybuilding?
Im probably being narrow minded.
I wouldnt have it that way. It would be Shawn Ray, or anyone that is knowledgeable about the competitors, and the sport...
Wrestling is fake, but its also entertainment. Most people (except maybe 10 year olds and under) know that its just like watching movies - you know its made up, but you watch it for entertainment (although some of the beatings are real to an extent).
With HHH I am only saying he would make a good CO-HOST, meaning if he hosted with someone else. If you have seen the 2004 Mr. O, try to imagine Kevin doing it alone - he would have just been bringing up the challenge round over and over and over again (he still seemed to bear a lot of animosity towards Ronnie - probably bitter feelings).
When HHH co-hosts, he is not taking away anything away from the show itself. He is only involved with the introduction, announcements etc. Its not like he tries to steal the limelight in the middle of the posedown or anything. They used to have comedians come and do similar stuff in the 90s - it was/is all good IMO
People that would make good co-hosts with HHH IMO would be guys like Shawn or lee or bob or even Dorian. Dan Solomon would be good too (although like you point out, one of the guys should be a (ex) pro) 8)
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I guess its because HH is not a bodybuilder; he never stepped on stage, he knows little about bodybuilding...So, as a commentator, i find his lack of knowledge ANNOYING..where as someone like Shawn Ray, and Levrone, would talk about DETAILS, and THEIR experiences, and CONNECT the Audience with the competitors..and the COMPETITORS want that..What good is HHH saying something OBVIOUS, to viewers, when you can have LEvrone, or RAY shed light on some cool FACTOIDS, and DETAILS about the competitors, and HOW THEY LOOK? Anyone following me?
Say a competitor really improved, a Shawn Ray type, or Levrone, would be able to evaluate accodingly and point this out..where HHH would prob not notice any of the extremem hardwork a competitor did to improve-
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HHH was really good, particularly at the 2005 Olympia. in my opinion, this year's commentator team should be Dan Solomon, HHH, and Shawn Ray. Levrone was one of the greatest BB's hands down, but he sucked behind the mic.
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I guess its because HH is not a bodybuilder; he never stepped on stage, he knows little about bodybuilding...So, as a commentator, i find his lack of knowledge ANNOYING..where as someone like Shawn Ray, and Levrone, would talk about DETAILS, and THEIR experiences, and CONNECT the Audience with the competitors..and the COMPETITORS want that..What good is HHH saying something OBVIOUS, to viewers, when you can have LEvrone, or RAY shed light on some cool FACTOIDS, and DETAILS about the competitors, and HOW THEY LOOK? Anyone following me?
Actually, HHH did compete in some local bodybuilding contest a long time ago. Its not him just saying the obvious stuff, but rather the way he builds up little battles (like in the challenge rounds) or getting more out of the bodybuilders, instead of the same old, boring (i am xxx lbs and my arms are improved etc). There is no denying the fact that he would compliment some bodybuilder like Shawn as a great co-host.
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See, I thought that was corny..he was throwing a wrestling spin on it; I found that QUITE annoying.
MrO was always about a SUPER ULTRA PROFESSIONAL SHOW. The Pros deserve it. No SIllyness.. No Crap.
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See, I thought that was corny..he was throwing a wrestling spin on it; I found that QUITE annoying.
MrO was always about a SUPER ULTRA PROFESSIONAL SHOW. The Pros deserve it. No SIllyness.. No Crap.
Sorry to keep arguing, but you dont seem to realise the difference between the prejudging and the night show. The Pre-judging is just pure, hardcore bodybuilding - comparisons etc.
The Night show (finals) is as much for entertainment as it is professional. Its not just about getting the guys to pose, but to make the show as lively and entertaining as possible. HHH would only be involved in the night show.
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If you find the MRO boring, you mus tnot be a bodybuilder, or know the sport.
I'm an armchair bodybuilder and I'm very keen on the event known as bodybuilding( I refuse to call it a sport, sorry).
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that the Mr. O show is boring from an entertainment standpoint. I think you'll find others on here that would agree with that. As a FAN of bodybuilding, I see no problem with injecting other aspects of entertainment into an otherwise boring event where oiled up dudes just parade around in speedos and strike poses.
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Sorry to keep arguing, but you dont seem to realise the difference between the prejudging and the night show. The Pre-judging is just pure, hardcore bodybuilding - comparisons etc.
The Night show (finals) is as much for entertainment as it is professional. Its not just about getting the guys to pose, but to make the show as lively and entertaining as possible. HHH would only be involved in the night show.
Ive competed before, I know. Not arguing here. we have different outlooks and thats cool! I just wanted to know what everyone thought! So I need to chill out and let HHH put his WWE spin on pro bodybuilding. Hopefully Shawn Ray will make plent of knowledgeable comments/observations to offset HHH...Kinda like the comedian- I forogt his name that was on MNF with Al Michaels, right???
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See, I thought that was corny..he was throwing a wrestling spin on it; I found that QUITE annoying.
MrO was always about a SUPER ULTRA PROFESSIONAL SHOW. The Pros deserve it. No SIllyness.. No Crap.
Neither bodybuilding nor pro wrestling is a sport so I don't see a problem.
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All i care is if they can get Michael Buffer to introduce the athletes! That would be the best entrances ever
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HHH saved the sinking ship otherwise known as the 2005 olympia...
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they should hire the Ultimate Warrior to commentate the Olympia! :)
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they should hire the Ultimate Warrior to commentate the Olympia! :)
LOL - only thing is ND might start talking about how he has better arms than Ronnie :P
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LOL yeah, that would probably happen! I still think Ultimate Warrior had the greatest physique ever seen in wrestling when he was at his roided up best. But then again, he did compete in a few contests...
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Who's the guy who MC's the ASC 2005? He's pretty good
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Triple H is a hardcore bodybuilding fan who spends a lot of time attending bodybuilding shows. I have no problems with him commentating a bodybuilding show.
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So, Heracles, let me be sure that I understand you.
You dislike the fact that HHH is a wrestler, despite the fact that he knows the sport, DID compete (won the Mass State Teen), and speaks in complete coherent sentences in a manner that entertains casual fans and informs and respects the hardcore fan.
I guess Joe "I've never seen the inside of a gym" Amato, Cory "I'm a hottie, but can't commentate intellegently" Everson and Kevin "Deer in the headlights" Levrone are bettrer choices.
Wow, really scratching my head on this one. ???
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So, Heracles, let me be sure that I understand you.
You dislike the fact that HHH is a wrestler, despite the fact that he knows the sport, DID compete (won the Mass State Teen), and speaks in complete coherent sentences in a manner that entertains casual fans and informs and respects the hardcore fan.
I guess Joe "I've never seen the inside of a gym" Amato, Cory "I'm a hottie, but can't commentate intellegently" Everson and Kevin "Deer in the headlights" Levrone are bettrer choices.
Wow, really scratching my head on this one. ???
What about Bob and Dan. They fit well with each other. They are the Madden and Michaels of bodybuilding!
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The 2006 Mr. Olympia wil be hosted by.......
SHAWN RAY and BOB CICHERILLO!
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I think triple H is fantastic for the olympia.
The guy is comfortable on the mic, and entertaining to boot. That is a big step in the right direction for an Olympia contest.
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So, Heracles, let me be sure that I understand you.
You dislike the fact that HHH is a wrestler, despite the fact that he knows the sport, DID compete (won the Mass State Teen), and speaks in complete coherent sentences in a manner that entertains casual fans and informs and respects the hardcore fan.
I guess Joe "I've never seen the inside of a gym" Amato, Cory "I'm a hottie, but can't commentate intellegently" Everson and Kevin "Deer in the headlights" Levrone are bettrer choices.
Wow, really scratching my head on this one. ???
Thats cool, im funny like that. You know, into pro bodybuilding, was just bummed to see a pro wrestler commentating a show. KNow what I mean?
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The 2006 Mr. Olympia wil be hosted by.......
SHAWN RAY and BOB CICHERILLO!
I like that.
Keep the wrestler wrestling, or um..acting..And keep the Pro bodybuilders commentating pro bodybuilding.
Lets bring some SERIOUSNESS AND SOME PRESTIGE back to the THE MR O GUYS! 8)
I hope its organized better for 2005
And PLEASE TRASH THE CHALLENGE ROUND! IT SUCKS!
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The 2006 Mr. Olympia wil be hosted by.......
SHAWN RAY and BOB CICHERILLO!
should prove to be interesting
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the challenge round has been officially retired!
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See, I thought that was corny..he was throwing a wrestling spin on it; I found that QUITE annoying.
MrO was always about a SUPER ULTRA PROFESSIONAL SHOW. The Pros deserve it. No SIllyness.. No Crap.
Posing trunk wedgies, butt shaking during posing routines, ultra professional, LOL.
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the challenge round has been officially retired!
it has been replaced with a farting contest :-*
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Posing trunk wedgies, butt shaking during posing routines, ultra professional, LOL.
:( I dont thin so! >:(
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Shawn Ray tried his commentating skills a few years back and he was awful...HHH was and is an NPC judge. He has followed bodybuilding all the way back from his high school days and knows more about bodybuilding history then almost every pro out there except probably Bob...knows how to be in front of a camera...Bodybuilding is lucky to have this guy on their side...His name alone brings viewers that would probably not watch if he wasn't commentating...
HHH and Mike Mattarazzo were pretty damn good together the year Gunter brought the house down...Shawn Ray and Bob will be a complete snooze fest...Although Bob will hold his own but Shawn will fall on his face...
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Shawn Ray tried his commentating skills a few years back and he was awful...HHH was and is an NPC judge. He has followed bodybuilding all the way back from his high school days and knows more about bodybuilding history then almost every pro out there except probably Bob...knows how to be in front of a camera...Bodybuilding is lucky to have this guy on their side...His name alone brings viewers that would probably not watch if he wasn't commentating...
HHH and Mike Mattarazzo were pretty damn good together the year Gunter brought the house down...Shawn Ray and Bob will be a complete snooze fest...
Actually, Shawn was the commentator (along with Dan Soloman) for the 2005 Mr O and he did a pretty good job. He was actually better than Dorian in the 2004 Arnold Classic. Word is that Dorian was so critical of every competitor that came out that after a while, he was taken aside and asked to 'tone it down' a tad.
And some of you guys are confusing the commenting and the hosting. There are 2 people that comment - usually a pro and some guy like Dan Soloman or Joe Amato (who doesnt do a bad job), and 2 people who host - usually HHH and someone else.
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Actually, Shawn was the commentator (along with Dan Soloman) for the 2005 Mr O and he did a pretty good job. He was actually better than Dorian in the 2004 Arnold Classic. Word is that Dorian was so critical of every competitor that came out that after a while, he was taken aside and asked to 'tone it down' a tad.
And some of you guys are confusing the commenting and the hosting. There are 2 people that comment - usually a pro and some guy like Dan Soloman or Joe Amato (who doesnt do a bad job), and 2 people who host - usually HHH and someone else.
yeah i'll give you that but Shawn just can't help bringing himself into every convo...almost every statement he makes, he throws himself into the mix...
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yeah i'll give you that but Shawn just can't help bringing himself into every convo...almost every statement he makes, he throws himself into the mix...
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The 2006 Mr. Olympia wil be hosted by.......
SHAWN RAY and BOB CICHERILLO!
Get Michael Buffer to do the announcing. Seriously
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It's people that are narrow minded that are keeping bbing from growing in stature. By getting someone like tripple H to host the show will bring new people to the bbing and new money and new sponsers that really is the bigger picture and I mean come on the guy is not in bad shape and has been like that for years and you dont get like that with out knowing a thing or about bbing. My two cents.
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It's people that are narrow minded that are keeping bbing from growing in stature. By getting someone like tripple H to host the show will bring new people to the bbing and new money and new sponsers that really is the bigger picture and I mean come on the guy is not in bad shape and has been like that for years and you dont get like that with out knowing a thing or about bbing. My two cents.
You have a point there. I agree...BUt I dont like mixing of pro WWE wrestling with Pro bodybuillding..its like pro bodybuilding is "Stooping" down to McMahons male soap opera world. Even if pro wrestlers use just as much gear! :o
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You have a point there. I agree...BUt I dont like mixing of pro WWE wrestling with Pro bodybuillding..its like pro bodybuilding is "Stooping" down to McMahons male soap opera world. Even if pro wrestlers use just as much gear! :o
Pro Bodybuilding isnt stooping down to Wrestling. Its trying to pull itself up to Wrestling.
Bring Michael Buffer as MC
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Yer I agree wwe has a gazilon more fans the bbing and lets face it at te end of the day its just huge guys in budgie smugglers on a stage with bad lighting. It has to become a theatre sport or whatever you wanna call bbing because there is no other direction for it HHH know his stuff and proberly on his own has million fans that would read his coloums website or whatever see he is hosting the olympia and check it out there is a million fans already. Just got to bite the bullet if ya love bbing you will know this is the best thing for it any superstar of any sport/ theatre sport that you can get to cross promote another is only a good thing expessialy when there at the level like HHH is at.
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Your right, I keep throwing myself in the mix.
Not like I didn't have stage experience in the damn show.....Like 13 years of my 14 year Pro Career?
Doops, my bad, I fail to see where I could possibly draw comparisions of my experiences with those presently competing.
Out.
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Your right, I keep throwing myslef in the mix.
Not like I didn't have stage experience in the damn show.....Like 13 years of my 14 year Pro Career?
Doops, my bad, I fail to see where I could possibly draw comparisions of my experiences with those presently competing.
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Yep. Thats where I am coming from, saying someone like you should be with you up there, not a pro wrestler. Its so silly. I dont care how many fans he might have.
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How is wresling any different from bodybuilding? Both involve wearing way too much spandex and mini shorts. Both involve taking huge amount of supplements, touring, getting on stage, following a script, kissing ass... and whoever is penciled in as the winner on a given day, wins...
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the challenge round has been officially retired!
sweet. Gustavo is probably sad now b/c he was the only one who ever benefitted from that shitstorm.
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HHH is helping out alot. Everyone should be happy that they are getting outside athletic talent to comment and help put on a show. It is going to bring a larger fan base in, Just like the half time show at the superbowl. It also will help add more legitamacy to BB by having other athletes show the respect for the hard work and dedication it takes.
Duh .... Come on there has to be someone who took some business and marketing courses out there.
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Your right, I keep throwing myslef in the mix.
Not like I didn't have stage experience in the damn show.....Like 13 years of my 14 year Pro Career?
Doops, my bad, I fail to see where I could possibly draw comparisions of my experiences with those presently competing.
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Shawn get Michael Buffer to do the MCing
Easily the best MC in the world.
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:( I dont thin so! >:(
Well, watch a current IFBB event you will see this. That is my point. Triple H is not the problem with unprofessionalism at IFBB shows. Guys dressed like gay cowboys and superman with pink boots IS!!!
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Something funny I just realized, Triple H makes more in a year then ALL the guys on the Olympia stage put together, LOL
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Does he? IM not sure about that..im sure HH makes alot of money..but more than the top guys like Ronnie and Jay?
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Does he? IM not sure about that..im sure HH makes alot of money..but more than the top guys like Ronnie and Jay?
I would doubt it, too.
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He makes around 5 million US a year. Considering the only top guys that actually make money are Coleman and Cutler... most of the other guys at the O make what... maybe $100,000 a year each.. ?
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Does he? IM not sure about that..im sure HH makes alot of money..but more than the top guys like Ronnie and Jay?
well on top of his 5 million a year, HHH can on any given day show up for an autograph session for 2 hrs almost anywhere and collect 25 grand in the 2 hrs...
Ronnie and Jay are driving around in Hummers and HHH is being driven around in Phantoms...
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and don't forget about the merchandise cut. HHH makes a whole lot more money than even the top bodybuilders.
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and don't forget about the merchandise cut. HHH makes a whole lot more money than even the top bodybuilders.
And don't forget he married the daughter of a multi-millionaire. He's financially crushing the top 10 Olympia finishers....believe it.
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This is getting back to the original question, I thought the way the O was run made all those involved look stupid , even the press conference was a staged tragedy !!, they made the past greats of the sport look silly and incompetent , they made the athletes look bewildered and unaware in the challenge round, and the final placings and prize giving was belittling !!
So who was good and who's was bad , well its kind of hard to say when the overall production made all look crap !!
This by the way is not a personal indictment on any ones character but merely a over view of the running of the greatest body building show on earth !!
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I remember Chick being the emcee at the Bodyrock show a couple years back and he done a great job, knowledgeable, and still added some humor when it needed to be...BTW Chick, ever see the movie Dodgeball?? LOL...Anyhoo, Triple H should be in the mix too, he does afterall have great mic skills too, it is his living....and they are bringing back D-X too at the next pay-per-view, can't wait for that, 3 commentators, is plenty....go with it from there.
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He makes around 5 million US a year. Considering the only top guys that actually make money are Coleman and Cutler... most of the other guys at the O make what... maybe $100,000 a year each.. ?
You ARE correct about that..its sad that if a bodybuilder turns "Pro" it doesnt mean shit...so sad compared to wha tthey do to their bodies, the hard training, dieting etc..im surprised most top amateur bodybuilders arent another type of pro athlete,since the know how to train, and diet, and have more dedication to that than pros in other sports.
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I'm sure HHH makes allot more than all the pros at the Olympia and ASC put together do in a year. He makes easily upwards of $100,000 per match. Plus he gets his cut of toy sales, endrosements speaking engagements. The Rock charged $85,000 for an appearance at a show. If he was to speak it went to $100,000. That what I was going to be charged for his to MC my first show I did. Brian Adams (Orange Crush) was in the WWF was paid $55,000 a match.
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I'm sure HHH makes allot more than all the pros at the Olympia and ASC put together do in a year. He makes easily upwards of $100,000 per match. Plus he gets his cut of toy sales, endrosements speaking engagements. The Rock charged $85,000 for an appearance at a show. If he was to speak it went to $100,000. That what I was going to be charged for his to MC my first show I did. Brian Adams (Orange Crush) was in the WWF was paid $55,000 a match.
where on earth do you get these numbers?
I don't know about appearances and endorsements but none of them make anywhere near that amount per match.
HHH basically wrestles every week so multiply 52 X 100000 plus the monthly PPV match. He doesn't even make a fraction of that.
I used to follow wrestling big time back in the late 90's and early 2000's and I remember HHH signing his new contract for about $600,000 per year
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I'm sure HHH makes allot more than all the pros at the Olympia and ASC put together do in a year. He makes easily upwards of $100,000 per match. Plus he gets his cut of toy sales, endrosements speaking engagements. The Rock charged $85,000 for an appearance at a show. If he was to speak it went to $100,000. That what I was going to be charged for his to MC my first show I did. Brian Adams (Orange Crush) was in the WWF was paid $55,000 a match.
Onlyme, did you know / meet Brian Adams or get to see him train in the gym at all? He was a strong Mofo and would shoulder press most wrestlers overhead, before tossing them like yesterday's garbage. Can you tell us about any of his lifts, like his shoulder press max or anything? And also, is he still alive or did he die some time ago?