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Title: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MarvinEderFan on March 16, 2024, 12:21:27 AM
So my understanding is weights don't really do much for cardio / bringing down your resting heart rate. Even if you do high reps, dropsets, circuits and supersets and that kind of stuff.

You gotta do actual aerobic work or your resting heart rate ain't gonna be reduced much. Maybe even be elevated due to increased bodyweight from carrying all that extra weight (muscle etc)?

Can someone with insight explain exactly why this is? Heart pounds like crazy during high reps on squats, deads, dropsets.... but it's not good "cardio".

I figure the answer is you need to train the aerobic energy system.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: BigRo on March 16, 2024, 12:34:49 AM
"it is not good cardio" yes it is.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MarvinEderFan on March 16, 2024, 12:40:38 AM
I like weights. But I'm not sure that's true.

My understanding is you need actual aerobic work - like long cardio sessions at a little tough but sustainable levels - to bring HR down. Otherwise your heart is working overtime when you're resting.

Hopefully someone can explain the physiology behind this stuff.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: BigRo on March 16, 2024, 12:44:38 AM
Why not just do both. I do.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MarvinEderFan on March 16, 2024, 12:50:33 AM
.... I am not saying not to do both ?

I am trying to learn: "Can someone with insight explain exactly why this is?"

That's all.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: BigRo on March 16, 2024, 01:03:13 AM
Your making the conclusion that weight training is bad for you then asking for an explanation  ::)
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 16, 2024, 01:39:39 AM
Why not just do both. I do.
No kidding. Just go for a walk after the workout.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 16, 2024, 04:56:13 AM
Basically, it’s  the difference between aerobic and anaerobic training. Most of the time we produce energy aerobically. So, aerobic training is more specific to bring your resting heart rate down.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on March 16, 2024, 07:20:02 AM
Look up PHA Training

https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2014/02/setting-up-specialized-pha-program-bob.html
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MarvinEderFan on March 16, 2024, 07:23:32 AM
Basically, it’s  the difference between aerobic an anaerobic training. Most of the time we produce energy aerobically. So, aerobic training is more specific to bring your resting heart rate down.
that makes sense
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Gym Rat on March 16, 2024, 07:28:25 AM
Both have benefits for the heart (unless too big/massive and highly drugged).

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190709/Weightlifting-is-better-for-the-heart-than-cardio.aspx

You ever do high-rep squats?? Your cardio-system is working...
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on March 16, 2024, 07:29:52 AM
My understanding of the PHA system is that Bob Gadja believed the upper & then lower body should be trained thus pushing blood through the whole body.
He believed the body has many valves that push blood up to the upper body & lower body, this would make sense as people with bad "valves" in the lower legs get Varicose veins.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Lartinos on March 16, 2024, 08:09:19 AM
Lifting heavy weights can enlarge your heart etc and reduce its efficiency.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 16, 2024, 08:30:05 AM
So my understanding is weights don't really do much for cardio / bringing down your resting heart rate. Even if you do high reps, dropsets, circuits and supersets and that kind of stuff.

You gotta do actual aerobic work or your resting heart rate ain't gonna be reduced much. Maybe even be elevated due to increased bodyweight from carrying all that extra weight (muscle etc)?

Can someone with insight explain exactly why this is? Heart pounds like crazy during high reps on squats, deads, dropsets.... but it's not good "cardio".

I figure the answer is you need to train the aerobic energy system.

To train aerobically it has to be sustained and not of short duration. Lifting spikes the heart rate then it comes down. It's the definition of anaerobic.  Lifting will give your heart a measure of work but nothing like real cardio.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: beakdoctor on March 16, 2024, 08:50:00 AM
The book THE ONE MINUTE WORKOUT. does a good job of explaining what happens at the cellular level when we exercise. It doesn't necessarily have to do with the length of the aerobic workout, it is much more complicated process. But it has to do with your energy demands and your body.

The body has all kinds of fuel sources: ATP, phosphocreatine. Anaerobiv glycolisis, and oxidative metabolism.  All are very complex processes, for example ATP is turned into ADP and AMP then AMPK then PGC1. And this all effects whats happening at the cellular level.

In short the demands of running uses a different process that increases aerobic capacity and lowers heart rate, the demands of strength training uses a different process that increases muscular strength & size.

If you're interested,  the book will explain it pretty clearly.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on March 16, 2024, 09:50:19 AM
The book THE ONE MINUTE WORKOUT. does a good job of explaining what happens at the cellular level when we exercise. It doesn't necessarily have to do with the length of the aerobic workout, it is much more complicated process. But it has to do with your energy demands and your body.

The body has all kinds of fuel sources: ATP, phosphocreatine. Anaerobiv glycolisis, and oxidative metabolism.  All are very complex processes, for example ATP is turned into ADP and AMP then AMPK then PGC1. And this all effects whats happening at the cellular level.

In short the demands of running uses a different process that increases aerobic capacity and lowers heart rate, the demands of strength training uses a different process that increases muscular strength & size.

If you're interested,  the book will explain it pretty clearly.
I have never heard of this 1 minute workout but i can tell you from an ex military background that there are no short cuts to staminia & running with weight on your back &  training FIBUA (house to house fighting) ranges.
Patrolling is exhausting .. trust me only long distance training & sprints are the answer which we always trained ..much harder before a tour
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: beakdoctor on March 16, 2024, 11:34:49 AM
I have never heard of this 1 minute workout but i can tell you from an ex military background that there are no short cuts to staminia & running with weight on your back &  training FIBUA (house to house fighting) ranges.
Patrolling is exhausting .. trust me only long distance training & sprints are the answer which we always trained ..much harder before a tour

Yeah... length of training or shorter more intense training can garner tye same results. One is just quicker. In response to MarvinEderFans question about why weight training doesn't necessarily improve cardio, duration of training is irrelevant depending on intensity of training, what is relevant is what pathways the body is using for energy. Taxing your lungs and heart increases cardio capacity.  Taxing large muscle groups increases strength and size, despite the fact that your HR is increased and you're breathing harder.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 16, 2024, 12:37:57 PM
One minute workout?  Going to put that book out of business with a 45 second exercise book.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: beakdoctor on March 16, 2024, 12:58:50 PM
One minute workout?  Going to put that book out of business with a 45 second exercise book.

Yeah, along with 6 minute abs... i didn't name the book, or write it, nor do I use any type of HIT method when I train but it had some educational information in it.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: honest on March 16, 2024, 02:15:19 PM
Why not just do both. I do.

Im with the leprechaun 🍀 on this one just do both, I do as well.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 16, 2024, 02:40:55 PM
There’s a reason every boxing champion throughout History has done long slow distance running, Roadwork. There’s a reason marathon runners run 100 miles a week. Aerobic training is high-volume training. You can’t get it in one minute.


https://evolve-mma.com/blog/watch-an-inside-look-at-undefeated-boxing-world-champion-floyd-mayweather-jr-s-training-routine-videos/

To build his cardiovascular fitness, Mayweather runs 5-8 miles a day. Unlike other boxers, Mayweather prefers to run late at night, at 1 am. In an interview, Mayweather admitted that he preferred training late at night.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: beakdoctor on March 16, 2024, 04:20:38 PM
Look I didn't write the fucking book. No shit you can't train for a boxing match or a marathon in one minute.

* and for the record the book never prescribes a one minute work out. IIRC its about one minute intervals. The book is about HIT and Interval training.*

Im answering marvin eders question about why weight lifting doesn't produce cardio benefits. And im not endorsing the book. There's a chapter that directly answers his question.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MAXX on March 16, 2024, 04:22:30 PM
the more muscle mass you have the worse your resting heart rate will be aswell so if you want to bodybuild you do better in quit worrying about it

you might be able to lower it some by cardio but in general more mass and especially steroids = high resting heart rate
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 16, 2024, 05:46:57 PM
Look I didn't write the fucking book. No shit you can't train for a boxing match or a marathon in one minute.

* and for the record the book never prescribes a one minute work out. IIRC its about one minute intervals. The book is about HIT and Interval training.*

Im answering marvin eders question about why weight lifting doesn't produce cardio benefits. And im not endorsing the book. There's a chapter that directly answers his question.

This is the Author. He admits you can’t change muscle fiber type. Slow twitch fibers respond to volume. It doesn’t mean that there aren’t any benefits to high intensity short interval, training. You’re just not gonna get aerobic adaptations.

Episode 4 | Dr. Martin Gibala | Does 1-Min of High Intensity Exercise Equal 45-Mins of Moderate Exertion? - Kathy Smith

https://www.kathysmith.com/thin-1-minute-seriously/

If people fall into a pattern of exercising long and slow (60-70% intensity), are they missing something in terms of their fitness and health?
It depends: in humans, there aren’t many changes in muscle fiber type, so it’s difficult to convert one fiber type to the other, but you can cause positive adaptations in these muscle fibers when you engage them. One school of thought is that interval training/high intensity exercise helps you recruit your large, powerful motor units that innervate fast-twitch muscle fibers, so part of the response is that these fibers are engaged and then adapt to the training. It is possible to engage or recruit all muscle fibers if you exercise long enough, but that results in fatiguing exercise.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 16, 2024, 05:50:48 PM
Bodybuilders and lifters seem to have a hard time understanding aerobic training. I did too, when I first started. I would always run hard. It’s counterintuitive that moderate intensity exercise for an extended period would have any benefits, but that’s how the aerobic system works. The overload is in the form of volume/duration, running at the same pace for 30min as opposed to 20min.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 16, 2024, 05:59:49 PM
There’s a reason every boxing champion throughout History has done long slow distance running, Roadwork. There’s a reason marathon runners run 100 miles a week. Aerobic training is high-volume training. You can’t get it in one minute.


https://evolve-mma.com/blog/watch-an-inside-look-at-undefeated-boxing-world-champion-floyd-mayweather-jr-s-training-routine-videos/

To build his cardiovascular fitness, Mayweather runs 5-8 miles a day. Unlike other boxers, Mayweather prefers to run late at night, at 1 am. In an interview, Mayweather admitted that he preferred training late at night.

It's called base training and aerobic athletes do it 80% of the time
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 16, 2024, 06:03:15 PM
My understanding of the PHA system is that Bob Gadja believed the upper & then lower body should be trained thus pushing blood through the whole body.
He believed the body has many valves that push blood up to the upper body & lower body, this would make sense as people with bad "valves" in the lower legs get Varicose veins.

AJ's Nautilus circuit training is basically PHA training
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: BigRo on March 16, 2024, 08:02:39 PM
Bodybuilders and lifters seem to have a hard time understanding aerobic training. I did too, when I first started. I would always run hard. It’s counterintuitive that moderate intensity exercise for an extended period would have any benefits, but that’s how the aerobic system works. The overload is in the form of volume/duration, running at the same pace for 30min as opposed to 20min.

I understand but the premise was that weights is not only not exercise but is bad for you, BS.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 17, 2024, 12:21:30 AM
Look up PHA Training

https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2014/02/setting-up-specialized-pha-program-bob.html
I do PHA training if I'm feeling a little overtrained as it seems to help me recover faster.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: kreator on March 17, 2024, 03:19:35 AM
The healthiest thing for the heart is not to stress it. Simple. Like with everything else in our body. If you think you are going to make your hearth healthier by exercising you are wrong. The more u use it the sooner you lose it
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: BigRo on March 17, 2024, 03:32:17 AM
The healthiest thing for the heart is not to stress it. Simple. Like with everything else in our body. If you think you are going to make your hearth healthier by exercising you are wrong. The more u use it the sooner you lose it

you are wrong.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: joswift on March 17, 2024, 03:34:01 AM
The healthiest thing for the heart is not to stress it. Simple. Like with everything else in our body. If you think you are going to make your hearth healthier by exercising you are wrong. The more u use it the sooner you lose it
you cant damage a healthy heart, you will gas out before it gets over worked, thats how a healthy cardio vascular system works

Do you think driving a car around at 5 mph all the time is good for the engine?
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: keanu on March 17, 2024, 04:04:02 AM
The healthiest thing for the heart is not to stress it. Simple. Like with everything else in our body. If you think you are going to make your hearth healthier by exercising you are wrong. The more u use it the sooner you lose it
  Why exercise at all? The couch potatoes have it all figured out. :-\
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 17, 2024, 06:34:46 AM
The human heart is truly amazing. You see all these disgusting fat slobs who don’t exercise or pay the slightest bit of mind to diet yet their heart keeps beating non stop for 60 even 70+ years before giving out.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: BigRo on March 17, 2024, 06:43:14 AM
The human heart is truly amazing. You see all these disgusting fat slobs who don’t exercise or pay the slightest bit of mind to diet yet their heart keeps beating non stop for 60 even 70+ years before giving out.

are those 60-70 years (which is not a long enough life imo) full of blissful joyful vitality, the bliss and joy one obtains through conscious and dynamic movement? Hardly.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: funk51 on March 17, 2024, 06:56:25 AM
 
   genetics play a big part in your longevity. my resting heart rate is 48, and all I do is 15 minutes on the exercise bike and some [very little] walking.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 17, 2024, 07:02:30 AM
are those 60-70 years (which is not a long enough life imo) full of blissful joyful vitality, the bliss and joy one obtains through conscious and dynamic movement? Hardly.

No, but their hearts keep beating anyway.

There are people who make it to over 100. What man-made machine can operate that long without servicing?
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Gym Rat on March 17, 2024, 07:23:42 AM
 
   genetics play a big part in your longevity. my resting heart rate is 48, and all I do is 15 minutes on the exercise bike and some [very little] walking.

Thats great Funk, wishing you long and happy longevity...
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: kreator on March 17, 2024, 11:42:51 AM
you are wrong.


What is so healthy about exercising/weight training?  It's unnecessary stress on the body. And don't tell me we do it for our health lol. We are all narcissists here
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 17, 2024, 11:45:13 AM

What is so healthy about exercising/weight training?  It's unnecessary stress on the body. And don't tell me we do it for our health lol. We are all narcissists here

narcissisits who never show a pic of thier incredible bodies?

not a chance bro

most here look like dogshit I AM SURE

and a true narcissisits would plaster thier photos all over the board ;)
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Grape Ape on March 17, 2024, 11:52:41 AM

What is so healthy about exercising/weight training?  It's unnecessary stress on the body. And don't tell me we do it for our health lol. We are all narcissists here

This is just factually incorrect.

There are many positives to being strong and in shape, it's not even deniable.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: BigRo on March 17, 2024, 12:18:46 PM
This is just factually incorrect.

There are many positives to being strong and in shape, it's not even deniable.

Not talking about extremes like pro cycling or bodybuilding but for thousands of years exercise has been used to prolong life.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: GymnJuice on March 17, 2024, 01:07:24 PM

What is so healthy about exercising/weight training?  It's unnecessary stress on the body. And don't tell me we do it for our health lol. We are all narcissists here

There was actually a recent study released on strength training prolonging life which is making the news cycles.

https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2023.12.019 (https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2023.12.019)

Quote
During 4,911,178 person-years of follow-up, there were 39,935 all-cause deaths including 11,670 cardiovascular deaths. Regular leisure-time physical activity compared with inactivity was associated with 24% (HR: 0.76; 95% CI: 0.73-0.80) and 15% (HR: 0.85; 95% CI: 0.82-0.89) lower risk of all-cause mortality in women and men, respectively (Wald F = 12.0, sex interaction P < 0.001). Men reached their maximal survival benefit of HR 0.81 from 300 min/wk of moderate-to-vigorous physical activity, whereas women achieved similar benefit at 140 min/wk and then continued to reach a maximum survival benefit of HR 0.76 also at ∼300 min/wk. Sex-specific findings were similar for cardiovascular death (Wald F = 20.1, sex interaction P < 0.001) and consistent across all measures of aerobic activity as well as muscle strengthening activity (Wald F = 6.7, sex interaction P = 0.009).
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 17, 2024, 01:08:46 PM
cardio is better for longevity and your health than weight training
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MAXX on March 17, 2024, 01:49:59 PM
cardio is better for longevity and your health than weight training
In moderation. Competetive long distance runners have sorter lifespans. Theres studies showing that they do damage to their heart by overstressing it.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 17, 2024, 01:51:55 PM
In moderation. Competetive long distance runners have sorter lifespans. Theres studies showing that they do damage to their heart by overstressing it.

yep but they are seriously over-trained

4 hours of cardio per week is ideal it seems
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 17, 2024, 02:12:05 PM
yep but they are seriously over-trained

4 hours of cardio per week is ideal it seems

Yeah, this will get you the Lion’s share of the adaptations. Pro runners need to squeeze out every last bit and as a result they do alot to get that last bit.

For running, about 45 min seems to be the sweet spot.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Grape Ape on March 17, 2024, 02:24:18 PM
cardio is better for longevity and your health than weight training

Not really.

Sacropenia causes falls, and remaining strong is most important.

Regardless, there's no reason not to do both.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Flexacon on March 17, 2024, 02:40:53 PM
cardio is better for longevity and your health than weight training

Weight/strength training does far more to protect an individual from Metabolic Disorders than cardio.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MarvinEderFan on March 18, 2024, 12:03:45 AM
What's the normal resting heart rate for men in their late 30s / early 40s? Isn't it 72 or 73 or so?
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 18, 2024, 12:09:13 AM
Weight/strength training does far more to protect an individual from Metabolic Disorders than cardio.

cardio is much much better for ones mental health
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 18, 2024, 12:39:05 AM
cardio is better for longevity and your health than weight training
Do both.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Flexacon on March 18, 2024, 12:49:30 AM
cardio is much much better for ones mental health

That's specific to an individual. Some people love the runners high and some people love the pump.

BTW you're gonna make a great PT  or whatever it is you're doing :P
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MarvinEderFan on March 18, 2024, 12:58:14 AM
I think we've established to do both

My Q is: What experience do you guys have reducing resting HR by adding a good deal of cardio (like zone 2 stuff)?
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Flexacon on March 18, 2024, 01:21:59 AM
I think we've established to do both

My Q is: What experience do you guys have reducing resting HR by adding a good deal of cardio (like zone 2 stuff)?

Study stimulating the parasympathetic nervous system.

Breathing exercises and things like yoga can lower resting heart rate. Kinda boring though. I just do incline and decline (backwards) walking on a manually powered treadmill as it's good for the knees whilst also focusing on breathing. 2 birds, 1 stone.

Zone 2 stuff will achieve what you're looking for though without you having to actively focus as much on breathing.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 18, 2024, 02:37:19 AM
That's specific to an individual. Some people love the runners high and some people love the pump.

BTW you're gonna make a great PT  or whatever it is you're doing :P

my market will be men who want to have a very high Adonis Ratio ie. tiny waist with broad wide shoulders but i need to find a marketer to get me biz coz i am clueless how to do this

but once i get peeps signed up it's a done fucking deal as i guar-fucking-tee results

i have seen trainers in pew sa, poland, ukraine and russia train thier clients and NOT ONE OF THIER CLIENTS MAKE ANY CHANGES EVER

what-the-flying-fuck!!!

the only trainer besides myself i saw EVER CHANGE A CLIENTS BODY was.... Mike Davies in cbus, he actually changed his clients bodies ONLY FUCKING HIM :D :D :D

whoever hires me will get wider shoulders and a smaller waist ;)
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: joswift on March 18, 2024, 04:23:29 AM
my market will be men who want to have a very high Adonis Ratio ie. tiny waist with broad wide shoulders but i need to find a marketer to get me biz coz i am clueless how to do this

but once i get peeps signed up it's a done fucking deal as i guar-fucking-tee results

i have seen trainers in pew sa, poland, ukraine and russia train thier clients and NOT ONE OF THIER CLIENTS MAKE ANY CHANGES EVER

what-the-flying-fuck!!!

the only trainer besides myself i saw EVER CHANGE A CLIENTS BODY was.... Mike Davies in cbus, he actually changed his clients bodies ONLY FUCKING HIM :D :D :D

whoever hires me will get wider shoulders and a smaller waist and creeped the fuck out ;)
fixed
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 18, 2024, 09:21:20 AM
I think we've established to do both

My Q is: What experience do you guys have reducing resting HR by adding a good deal of cardio (like zone 2 stuff)?

I typically run 30-40 miles a week. I’ve always had a pretty low resting HR, combo of working out, genetics and not being a fat fuck. If I’m sitting around, it’s usually in the 40s. Without the running it would probably be in the 50s.


Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 18, 2024, 09:40:01 AM
I typically run 30-40 miles a week. I’ve always had a pretty low resting HR, combo of working out, genetics and not being a fat fuck. If I’m sitting around, it’s usually in the 40s. Without the running it would probably be in the 50s.

what kinda times you running? mile per minute pace

no one told you when to run you missed the starting gun

OH FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! SON OF A FUCKING BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

IMA GONNA USE THIS TUNE NEXT BNP SESSION AND FUCKING SMASH THROUGH DELTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHOULDERS UP ONE FUCKING FULL INCH IN 3 FUCKING DAYS 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 18, 2024, 09:46:40 AM
what kinda times you running? mile per minute pace

no one told you when to run you missed the starting gun

OH FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! SON OF A FUCKING BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

IMA GONNA USE THIS TUNE NEXT BNP SESSION AND FUCKING SMASH THROUGH DELTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHOULDERS UP ONE FUCKING FULL INCH IN 3 FUCKING DAYS 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)



My 5K pace these days is about 6:30 which is about 5:15 age graded at 200lbs. I’m about 180-185 now.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 18, 2024, 09:52:03 AM
My 5K pace these days is about 6:30 which is about 5:15 age graded at 200lbs. I’m about 180-185 now.

that's a good strong pace

i'm impressed 8)

when i was a 14 year old freshmen running XC i lowered my 2 mile time from 13:30 to 12:00
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Grape Ape on March 18, 2024, 10:18:01 AM
my market will be men

we know
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 18, 2024, 10:19:43 AM
we know

hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Grape Ape on March 18, 2024, 10:23:52 AM
I typically run 30-40 miles a week. I’ve always had a pretty low resting HR, combo of working out, genetics and not being a fat fuck. If I’m sitting around, it’s usually in the 40s. Without the running it would probably be in the 50s.

I am having trouble finding zone 2.

It could be that I am coming back from injury and just starting out.

Before injury, I was misinformed a bit in the running world, because it was a supplement to my training, not the focus.  I rarely ran more than 5 miles, but I felt if I went over an 8 minute pace, I wasn't "working".....after reading through injury, zone 2 training sounds not only a bit better, but more enjoyable.  I am trying to mix in zone 2, with sprints, and rucking, in addition to weight training.

Given that, it's hard for me to slow down.

Last week I jogged at a 10 min mile for 4.5M and stayed on the phone with someone the whole time, talking regulary.  Thought i had it, but was in Zone 3 the whole time, albeit near the low bottom range.

This Sat I did 4, but it was hilly and rocky, so I ended up in Zone 4.  Then I walked two for the remainder and was in zone 1.

Yesterday, wife wanted a walk so I figured adding a 35lb ruck might get me into zone 2, but I stayed in one.

My question is - should I eliminate all variable and just run on a track extremely slow - like 12/13 min miles?  Is there a method to getting there.  It may sound dumb, but running slow to me is hard - my body doesn't want to do it.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 18, 2024, 10:28:03 AM
running 12-13 min miles ???

i can walk at that pace chief :D
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Grape Ape on March 18, 2024, 10:47:08 AM
running 12-13 min miles ???

i can walk at that pace chief :D

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Otherwise, just let TL answer the question.

I know the pace is ridiculously slow, I think my question to him explains the ask.

Chief.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: CalvinH on March 18, 2024, 01:11:13 PM
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Otherwise, just let TL answer the question.

I know the pace is ridiculously slow, I think my question to him explains the ask.

Chief.


Ha! ;D
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: dj181 on March 18, 2024, 01:17:51 PM
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Otherwise, just let TL answer the question.

I know the pace is ridiculously slow, I think my question to him explains the ask.

Chief.

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Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 18, 2024, 03:44:40 PM
I am having trouble finding zone 2.

It could be that I am coming back from injury and just starting out.

Before injury, I was misinformed a bit in the running world, because it was a supplement to my training, not the focus.  I rarely ran more than 5 miles, but I felt if I went over an 8 minute pace, I wasn't "working".....after reading through injury, zone 2 training sounds not only a bit better, but more enjoyable.  I am trying to mix in zone 2, with sprints, and rucking, in addition to weight training.

Given that, it's hard for me to slow down.

Last week I jogged at a 10 min mile for 4.5M and stayed on the phone with someone the whole time, talking regulary.  Thought i had it, but was in Zone 3 the whole time, albeit near the low bottom range.

This Sat I did 4, but it was hilly and rocky, so I ended up in Zone 4.  Then I walked two for the remainder and was in zone 1.

Yesterday, wife wanted a walk so I figured adding a 35lb ruck might get me into zone 2, but I stayed in one.

My question is - should I eliminate all variable and just run on a track extremely slow - like 12/13 min miles?  Is there a method to getting there.  It may sound dumb, but running slow to me is hard - my body doesn't want to do it.

The general rule of thumb about easy pace running is that you should be comfortable enough to speak in full sentences. If you can’t, it’s too fast.  Personally, I’m a feel runner. Wrist based heart monitors can sometimes be off.

Another approach is to do a one mile time trial. Take that time and add  3 minutes. That is the middle of your zone 2 or easy run pace range. So if you can run a 6 min mile, ~8:40-9:20 is your easy range.

Here’s a five miler I recently did on the Mill. These days my one mile pace is in the 5:40s.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Grape Ape on March 18, 2024, 05:50:00 PM
The general rule of thumb about easy pace running is that you should be comfortable enough to speak in full sentences. If you can’t, it’s too fast.  Personally, I’m a feel runner. Wrist based heart monitors can sometimes be off.

Another approach is to do a one mile time trial. Take that time and add  3 minutes. That is the middle of your zone 2 or easy run pace range. So if you can run a 6 min mile, ~8:40-9:20 is your easy range.

Here’s a five miler I recently did on the Mill. These days my one mile pace is in the 5:40s.

Thank you.  I did talk comfortably once for the entire hour, but still was three...could have been the hills.

I will try your rule of thumb next run.

Thank you for the help.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on April 07, 2024, 07:08:07 AM
What's the normal resting heart rate for men in their late 30s / early 40s? Isn't it 72 or 73 or so?
just checked mine it´s 54, basically most people in the age groups mentioned if non trained but still in an active job should be in the 60s-70s although can be higher depending.
serious runners will be -54
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: IroNat on April 07, 2024, 07:31:50 AM
Doing lots of cardio won't make you live longer.

Might even make you live shorter.

If aerobic endurance is your goal then do it.

https://upgradedhealth.net/the-hidden-truth-about-cardio/

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Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on April 07, 2024, 07:45:26 AM
Doing lots of cardio won't make you live longer.

Might even make you live shorter.

If aerobic endurance is your goal then do it.

https://upgradedhealth.net/the-hidden-truth-about-cardio/

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well even your iron Guru vince Gironda did cycle for cardio, of course in weight training there is methods such as PHA training.



However the best exercise is walking as the human body was made to do this since we stand upright although we still have weak lower backs.
Over the years i have absorbed so much information about these basic subjects but i do remember a good report from a Professor who was an ex runner who explained why walking was best for a human being
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: joswift on April 07, 2024, 09:12:39 AM
I dont do gym cardio, its fucking boring

I should do more cardio excercise because I gas easily, then again I have just blown up 28lbs in a short period of time

Going to drop some weight and get my health markers in check, my BP is 140/102

Will drop to 200lbs and start walking more often, even try some HIT cardio
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on April 07, 2024, 09:36:28 AM
I dont do gym cardio, its fucking boring

I should do more cardio excercise because I gas easily, then again I have just blown up 28lbs in a short period of time

Going to drop some weight and get my health markers in check, my BP is 140/102

Will drop to 200lbs and start walking more often, even try some HIT cardio
obviously you know this is too high as you are no fool & train for competitions.
The best cardio is on a bike at a moderate to high intensity, in other words good old "Fartlek" training..mix it up
just my opinion but knowing you ..you´re probably taking the piss  ;)

 
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: joswift on April 07, 2024, 09:51:33 AM
obviously you know this is too high as you are no fool & train for competitions.
The best cardio is on a bike at a moderate to high intensity, in other words good old "Fartlek" training..mix it up
just my opinion but knowing you ..you´re probably taking the piss  ;)
No, BP is genuine reading, I gave blood as well last week so that normally drops it a bit
My normal BP while I was dieting was 125/73 or thereabouts
Its the extra weight and water retention
My Kidney function was 54 last bloods, that was of a creatinine reading, that would be high due to training and what I was taking

My lowest ever kidney reading was 45, that was about 6 years ago after I competed, it went back up to 84 3 months later
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MajorDomo on April 07, 2024, 09:54:53 AM
I've been a competitive cyclist for over 20 years. My resting pulse before I started training was about 60 bpm. Currently it is about 60 bpm and I ride 5 days a week. So there's that.

Resting heart rate is more affected by lack of sleep, illness, bad habits (drinking, smoking, etc.) than anything else. if you are overweight it will drop when you lean out.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on April 07, 2024, 09:56:23 AM
No, BP is genuine reading, I gave blood as well last week so that normally drops it a bit
My normal BP while I was dieting was 125/73 or thereabouts
Its the extra weight and water retention
My Kidney function was 54 last bloods, that was of a creatinine reading, that would be high due to training and what I was taking

My lowest ever kidney reading was 45, that was about 6 years ago after I competed, it went back up to 84 3 months later
Yes you know what you´re doing
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on April 07, 2024, 10:04:18 AM
I've been a competitive cyclist for over 20 years. My resting pulse before I started training was about 60 bpm. Currently it is about 60 bpm and I ride 5 days a week. So there's that.

Resting heart rate is more affected by lack of sleep, illness, bad habits (drinking, smoking, etc.) than anything else. if you are overweight it will drop when you lean out.
I think my lowest pulse was 52 but i was training most days with interval training in the Gym.
I cycle nowadays for cardio but not like a competitive cyclist like you, i just do my thing & it works.
Basics, uphill routes hard & sprints.
Of course i take medication which does lower my heart rate somewhat so maybe i´m cheating  :)
but my heart rate has always been regardless in the 52-54 range.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 07, 2024, 04:55:40 PM
4 week data.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MAXX on April 08, 2024, 09:05:17 AM
this data is useless if you're skinny.

anyone can get a low resting heart rate at a lower bodyweight. Problem is when you try combine with size and strength
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: BigRo on April 08, 2024, 09:10:29 AM
I think my lowest pulse was 52 but i was training most days with interval training in the Gym.
I cycle nowadays for cardio but not like a competitive cyclist like you, i just do my thing & it works.
Basics, uphill routes hard & sprints.
Of course i take medication which does lower my heart rate somewhat so maybe i´m cheating  :)
but my heart rate has always been regardless in the 52-54 range.

What medication?
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 09, 2024, 12:15:06 AM
this data is useless if you're skinny.

anyone can get a low resting heart rate at a lower bodyweight. Problem is when you try combine with size and strength
There aren't many, big, strong, muscular, old people.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: MAXX on April 09, 2024, 09:07:30 AM
There aren't many, big, strong, muscular, old people.
that's right. Neither are there any really fat people in elderly homes.

All humans do best in slimming down in their 50's, at most late 50's
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 10, 2024, 12:43:22 AM
that's right. Neither are there any really fat people in elderly homes.

All humans do best in slimming down in their 50's, at most late 50's
Yep, permabulkers don't live long either.
Title: Re: Weights & cardio and resting heart rate
Post by: Donny on April 12, 2024, 09:24:42 AM
that's right. Neither are there any really fat people in elderly homes.

All humans do best in slimming down in their 50's, at most late 50's
how old are U