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I’ve been looking into training some people from the neighborhood in my garage as a way to make some extra cash and I wanted to get certified to obtain liability insurance. I was a personal trainer over ten years ago and did the NASM certification back then and it was like $150 back then. Went on to the website to buy the course and they are charging $900 for it now—and that’s one of the least expensive options.
Who tf do they think they are charging that much?? All the personal trainer certificates short of CPT are pretty much worthless, you just need it to look “legit” and qualify for insurance. Back to the drawing board I suppose.
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ACE is a tiny bit cheaper, and still accepted most places - https://www.acefitness.org/fitness-certifications/personal-trainer-certification/default.aspx .
All of PT certs have had huge jumps over the last few years, just crazy jumps. I, too, remember when most were $150-300, back in the early 2010s.
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ACE is a tiny bit cheaper, and still accepted most places - https://www.acefitness.org/fitness-certifications/personal-trainer-certification/default.aspx .
All of PT certs have had huge jumps over the last few years, just crazy jumps. I, too, remember when most were $150-300, back in the early 2010s.
Thanks for the suggestion. This was just something I was going to do on the side, 5-10hr per week tops, so dropping several hundred dollars on something I’m not sure I’ll stick with isn’t appealing.
None of my prospective clients would give a shit where the piece of paper comes from, but I need a cert for insurance. Last thing I need is for someone to fall down and hurt themselves and sue me for my house.
Looking around there’s something called an “ACTION certification” for $100-200. Not crazy about spending that much for some piece of paper but at least they’re NCCA accredited and offer liability insurance. I’ll have to speak w my insurance agent for some guidance.
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ACE is a tiny bit cheaper, and still accepted most places - https://www.acefitness.org/fitness-certifications/personal-trainer-certification/default.aspx .
All of PT certs have had huge jumps over the last few years, just crazy jumps. I, too, remember when most were $150-300, back in the early 2010s.
There seemed to be a boom of boutique fitness Studios opening up during that time. I guess the certification orgs realized they could work people for more. As said, nobody cares about them. You could just spew out a few letters and no one would know the difference.
Amazing to me than anybody would still pay a trainer with all that’s available online these days.
How much would insurance cost yearly for a trainer?
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15 years ago ace was 400,Issa was 600 and nasm was 800. Not a big investment to make great money. But why bother even getting the cert? Just train people if you look the part.
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15 years ago ace was 400,Issa was 600 and nasm was 800. Not a big investment to make great money. But why bother even getting the cert? Just train people if you look the part.
You just answered your own question, Rob. This is Getbig. How many of the posters here, actually "look the part" ?
I admit that I don't, even though my knowledge can rival most here, I can totally understand why clients would want someone who looks the part.
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There seemed to be a boom of boutique fitness Studios opening up during that time. I guess the certification orgs realized they could work people for more. As said, nobody cares about them. You could just spew out a few letters and no one would know the difference.
Amazing to me than anybody would still pay a trainer with all that’s available online these days.
How much would insurance cost yearly for a trainer?
My buddy pays 400-500 a year for insurance.
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My buddy pays 400-500 a year for insurance.
That’s not too bad.
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15 years ago ace was 400,Issa was 600 and nasm was 800. Not a big investment to make great money. But why bother even getting the cert? Just train people if you look the part.
This. I believe you don’t need a cert to train people. Just use the number of years you’ve been training as “experience”
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What are you buying for your money? Does anyone even think to ask about accreditation?
If you're encouraging fat housewives to go deeper into their goblet squat, sell them the healthy outdoors and meet in the damn park.
Don't do business out of your house at all imo. Every weird bastard who sees your ad gets to find out where you live and what your security is like? Shit no.
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What are you buying for your money? Does anyone even think to ask about accreditation?
If you're encouraging fat housewives to go deeper into their goblet squat, sell them the healthy outdoors and meet in the damn park.
Don't do business out of your house at all imo. Every weird bastard who sees your ad gets to find out where you live and what your security is like? Shit no.
Yes doing bootcamps in the park is huge and housewives pay big money for it. I remember years ago prob 10 my buddy was doing two bootcamps a day on Sat and Sundays with roughly 10 women in each class at 50 a pop for an hour so he would make 2k for 4 hours on weekends and wouldn’t work during the week from April-Oct.
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Yes doing bootcamps in the park is huge and housewives pay big money for it. I remember years ago prob 10 my buddy was doing two bootcamps a day on Sat and Sundays with roughly 10 women in each class at 50 a pop for an hour so he would make 2k for 4 hours on weekends and wouldn’t work during the week from April-Oct.
That's the target market. Lazy bitches who want fitness to be something they can buy. Hey they paid the money how come they don't look like the 20yo tiktok girls!
People don't want the truth. They want excuses. And not just with fitness. I liked Jocko's extreme ownership theory. Ultimately, everything is our own fault.
Sorry, 3rd whiskey here lol.
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Just get good legal liability waivers they sign.
I question how much they’d actually help you any way.
The more I deal with insurance companies the more I see they try to scam me.
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Even half assed you would make that $900 back quickly, no?
Even at a low rate of $50/hr it would take 18 hrs to recoup.
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Just get good legal liability waivers they sign.
I question how much they’d actually help you any way.
The more I deal with insurance companies the more I see they try to scam me.
Jesus how retardedly litigious has shit gotten? You need insurance brokers and lawyers on retainer just to walk some fat broad theough lunges?
At some point the system isn't worth taking seriously.
I say take common sense measures and engage in commerce.
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Recertified with AFAA last April $500 ....took me a month to do it.
They try to sell you the book for study but I did without the book. Its also around 100 bucks !
Since 1983, AFAA has prepared over 350,000 fitness instructors and trainers in 73 countries. AFAA released the first nationally standardized guidelines for fitness professionals.
You can get the AED/CPR for ~ $50 online
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Fuck it. I'll certify you. I offer BGD and SRK levels, as per the international WVD standard.
Legit as shit.
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Not shitting on you, but how do you not think spending $900 to make yourself more marketable is too much? Dude, it’s only $900. Even if you never do it, it’s not a huge pile of money to invest in yourself.
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I've carried worker's comp and public liability insurance for 25 years.
Claims: 0.
Clients who asked for proof of insurance: 2.
Marketability benefit: Negligible.
Current status: Rube.
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I've carried worker's comp and public liability insurance for 25 years.
Claims: 0.
Clients who asked for proof of insurance: 2.
Marketability benefit: Negligible.
Current status: Rube.
Not being asked for proof of insurance by a bunch of dusty aborigines doesn't equate to the situation he's facing in our litigious world.
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There are too many PT's and the cert cost is an attempt to limit competition.
They should triple the cost to further limit competition.
A cert should cost $100,000.
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That's the target market. Lazy bitches who want fitness to be something they can buy. Hey they paid the money how come they don't look like the 20yo tiktok girls!
People don't want the truth. They want excuses. And not just with fitness. I liked Jocko's extreme ownership theory. Ultimately, everything is our own fault.
Sorry, 3rd whiskey here lol.
It was the same way in the late 1980’s, the clients were women with too much time and money. I did training back then as a side hustle. I had no certs, just a good physique.
I always laugh when the trainers today all act like they’re training elite athletes and that everything needs to be scientifically precise.😂
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Not shitting on you, but how do you not think spending $900 to make yourself more marketable is too much? Dude, it’s only $900. Even if you never do it, it’s not a huge pile of money to invest in yourself.
It doesn’t make you more marketable. Nobody gives a shit.
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Not being asked for proof of insurance by a bunch of dusty aborigines doesn't equate to the situation he's facing in our litigious world.
Deep down you know know there's little difference between abos and insurers. They'll both rob you and claim they deserve it.
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https://www.exercise.com/grow/cheapest-personal-trainer-certifications/
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Not shitting on you, but how do you not think spending $900 to make yourself more marketable is too much? Dude, it’s only $900. Even if you never do it, it’s not a huge pile of money to invest in yourself.
You’re not wrong but Thin Lizzy beat me to it:
It doesn’t make you more marketable. Nobody gives a shit.
My interest in being certified is 90% for insurance purposes and 10% so that I can say “certified personal trainer. Given that, why spend more than I need to?
Even half assed you would make that $900 back quickly, no?
Even at a low rate of $50/hr it would take 18 hrs to recoup.
Yes, but I’m reluctant to spend that much on something where I’m not sure if it’ll take off. Part of the appeal of training as a side gig for me is the low cost of entry. I’ll use the weights and equipment I already have and maybe get some more low cost training stuff (big truck tire + sledgehammer, battling ropes, etc) and I’ll only be into it for a couple hundred bucks. That way if it doesn’t pan out, no big deal. But spending $1000+ on something that I’m not sure will pay off is too risky for me at this point.
I’m gonna talk to my insurance provider and see if maybe an umbrella plan would make more sense than some third-party “personal training liability” insurance, maybe then I can just skip the whole certification song and dance
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The devil's in the details. I'm not compliant with the endless and ever changing minutiae of my policies. No one is. It's insurmountable by design.
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You’re not wrong but Thin Lizzy beat me to it:
My interest in being certified is 90% for insurance purposes and 10% so that I can say “certified personal trainer. Given that, why spend more than I need to?
Yes, but I’m reluctant to spend that much on something where I’m not sure if it’ll take off. Part of the appeal of training as a side gig for me is the low cost of entry. I’ll use the weights and equipment I already have and maybe get some more low cost training stuff (big truck tire + sledgehammer, battling ropes, etc) and I’ll only be into it for a couple hundred bucks. That way if it doesn’t pan out, no big deal. But spending $1000+ on something that I’m not sure will pay off is too risky for me at this point.
I’m gonna talk to my insurance provider and see if maybe an umbrella plan would make more sense than some third-party “personal training liability” insurance, maybe then I can just skip the whole certification song and dance
If you're going to half ass it, might as well just not do it. That is a recipe for failure.
But you easily could just dedicate yourself to recouping the start up costs, and then back off if you really want.
I realize everyone's fiscal situations are different, but a $1000 bucks start up fees are small, relatively speaking.
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15 years ago ace was 400,Issa was 600 and nasm was 800. Not a big investment to make great money. But why bother even getting the cert? Just train people if you look the part.
I can't hire a trainer if they're not "certified". Insurance nonsense.
I have vague recollection of my certs being all around $1k?? With continuing education credits being a few hundred every couple yrs.
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The biggest risk with training people in your garage or basement is the liability. Personal trainer insurance won't be enough. Their lawyer will go after you homeowners insurance. Your homeowners will then say you didn't have a rider for a home business then your house will be fair game to go after. They will say their neck hurt and present a bunch of doctor notes.
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The biggest risk with training people in your garage or basement is the liability. Personal trainer insurance won't be enough. Their lawyer will go after you homeowners insurance. Your homeowners will then say you didn't have a rider for a home business then your house will be fair game to go after. They will say their neck hurt and present a bunch of doctor notes.
I have a full gym in my garage, thought about training people for a second, and soon stopped and thought about this.
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I did in home training years ago and it was always in their house. Safest way to do it. Also I’m going back 15 years ago and I was getting 100-200 per hour cash for every session. Training is great money. Just look the part and put cards and flyers out and you will make money like anything else. It prob is the cheapest start up there is. Fuck the certs just get liability insurance and get on it.
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I have a full gym in my garage, thought about training people for a second, and soon stopped and thought about this.
I would love to train people in my basement. Not risking my house on chump change. Took me 20 years to pay off this house. Well to be more accurate I have one or two years to go. I have the cash to pay it off right now. If I called my house insurance and they agreed to a rider for a home training business I would do it. I don't think a homeowners insurance would ever agree to that without charging more than it's worth. One person saying they hurt there back or neck will be one costly law suit.
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I would love to train people in my basement. Not risking my house on chump change. Took me 20 years to pay off this house. Well to be more accurate I have one or two years to go. I have the cash to pay it off right now. If I called my house insurance and they agreed to a rider for a home training business I would do it. I don't think a homeowners insurance would ever agree to that without charging more than it's worth. One person saying they hurt there back or neck will be one costly law suit.
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I train myself and so far no incidents worthy of litigation.
I'd sue myself in a heartbeat though if something happened.
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There are too many PT's and the cert cost is an attempt to limit competition.
They should triple the cost to further limit competition.
A cert should cost $100,000.
Sounds like the NYC taxi medallion business plan :)
Worked for immigrants for decades until Uber.
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If you're going to half ass it, might as well just not do it. That is a recipe for failure.
But you easily could just dedicate yourself to recouping the start up costs, and then back off if you really want.
I realize everyone's fiscal situations are different, but a $1000 bucks start up fees are small, relatively speaking.
I was a full time trainer ten years ago and hated it. The actual training part was secondary to chit-chatting w your clients and selling more sessions. Bored housewives were cash cows that trained 5x a week so you had to kiss their ass and pretend like you’re interested in what they have to say, etc. Soul crushing stuff if you’re passionate about training.
This time around, Im just looking for a productive way to fill some free time in my evenings. If I can find motivated clients, I think it would be a lot of fun. If you’ve ever helped someone along their path to physical selfimprovement , you know how fulfilling it is.
All that said, there’s a decent chance that it doesn’t go the way I hope it does. I’m not trying to “half ass” it, just keep my startup costs low in case it doesn’t pan out. Why pay the extra for the NASM cert? I’d rather get a cheaper cert and spend the money on training equipment—the things that will actually make a difference with my clients. Fancy certs are only worth it if you’re trying to get hired at a commercial gym.
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The biggest risk with training people in your garage or basement is the liability. Personal trainer insurance won't be enough. Their lawyer will go after you homeowners insurance. Your homeowners will then say you didn't have a rider for a home business then your house will be fair game to go after. They will say their neck hurt and present a bunch of doctor notes.
Just talked with my insurance agent and a business liability policy for this is gonna be a couple hundred annually so not a big deal. Doesn’t even sound like I need to be certified, but he’s gonna check with the underwriters.
I have State Farm, but I’m assuming it isn’t unique to them. Give your agent a ring and see what he says.
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I did in home training years ago and it was always in their house. Safest way to do it. Also I’m going back 15 years ago and I was getting 100-200 per hour cash for every session. Training is great money. Just look the part and put cards and flyers out and you will make money like anything else. It prob is the cheapest start up there is. Fuck the certs just get liability insurance and get on it.
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Did you bring equipment or just use what they had at their house? $100+ per hour is serious money
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I’ve been looking into training some people from the neighborhood in my garage as a way to make some extra cash and I wanted to get certified to obtain liability insurance. I was a personal trainer over ten years ago and did the NASM certification back then and it was like $150 back then. Went on to the website to buy the course and they are charging $900 for it now—and that’s one of the least expensive options.
Who tf do they think they are charging that much?? All the personal trainer certificates short of CPT are pretty much worthless, you just need it to look “legit” and qualify for insurance. Back to the drawing board I suppose.
Hurting for $900, shouldn't have voted for PedoJoe!
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Did you bring equipment or just use what they had at their house? $100+ per hour is serious money
Sometimes I would bring light dumbbells,bands etc… but usually they had equipment. I had a guy that paid me 200 per hour 2-3 times a week and usually would bring his wife or kids and pay 200 per hour for them. He was worth hundreds of millions. I used to say no charge or half price for extra person but he always insisted on paying full price. Some people have to much money.
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For that money did you provide the wives with sexual services, robc?
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For that money did you provide the wives with sexual services, robc?
Haha no, not my thing. I live in an area surrounded by huge money, so these people have no problem paying for training and wasting their money.
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Haha no, not my thing. I live in an area surrounded by huge money, so these people have no problem paying for training and wasting their money.
Housewife: "Ok rob, where do we start"
RobcTrainer "we are going to go easy with a few sets of curls"
Housewife: "how many?"
RobcTrainer: "400"
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Housewife: "Ok rob, where do we start"
RobcTrainer "we are going to go easy with a few sets of curls"
Housewife: "how many?"
RobcTrainer: "400"
Boy, what a workout. Are we done yet?
You’ll be done after you walk 8 miles, bitch.
Thank you, Rob. Here’s $200.