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King Zane-100 primo 15 dbol
Mentzer-200 deca 25;dbol
Platz-100-200 deca 20 winny
Arnold-100-200 primo 20 dbol
Waller-primo and dbol
Padilla-deca only low dose
Olivia-deca and winny
So they only used dbol winny primo and deca
Guess drol and var didn't come bout til the 80s
Fascinating shit
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Gee, tell us more. ::)
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They used whatever they could get and much as they could afford. Same as today only now slin is almost always in the mix and all sorts of other shit to tan, boost mood and energy, help sleep, increase appetite, etc
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Dj is a one dimensional mind. All he ever thinks about is the same old shit.
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50 years ago a bunch of bodybuilders used steroids.
It is not fascinating at all.
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50 years ago a bunch of bodybuilders NFL players used steroids.
It is not fascinating at all.
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They used whatever they could get and much as they could afford. Same as today only now slin is almost always in the mix and all sorts of other shit to tan, boost mood and energy, help sleep, increase appetite, etc
^^^^THIS
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I was not aware of the NFL stints by Zane, Platz, and Mentzer.
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has Vigorous Steve confirmed this?
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has Vigorous Steve confirmed this?
He’s probably waiting on Leo and Longevity to confirm this first. I have a funny feeling he’ll be waiting awhile. He’s probably on the toilet.
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john jewitt says he runs
250mg test
2000mg masteron
each week - competes in Open now
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john jewitt says he runs
250mg test
2000mg masteron
each week - competes in Open now
Just to be sure, is this serious? I am not suggesting you are not being serious, just wanna make sure I am not missing some reference or something. It's an unusual cycle but have heard of people doing siginificant masteron (instead of tren) to achieve something of the same look or so.
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the platz info is bs.
can't remember his name but some old timer who was at gold's or world or whatever mentioned platz inviting some people out for lunch (you paid for your own food) and he spilled the beans on drugs used.
He was using everything.
He's lying/exaggerating about so many other things, so....makes sense to exagerrate about "how little drugs he used".
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King Zane-100 primo 15 dbol
Mentzer-200 deca 25;dbol
Platz-100-200 deca 20 winny
Arnold-100-200 primo 20 dbol
Waller-primo and dbol
Padilla-deca only low dose
Olivia-deca and winny
So they only used dbol winny primo and deca
Guess drol and var didn't come bout til the 80s
Fascinating shit
Late 70’s until he retired Kerr and Jekot were my doctors for this. D-bol, Avavar, Maxibolin were mostly the prescribed orals for that time along with Primobolin, Deca and test. It wasn’t the shit that’s in circulation now. The little blue 5mg CIBA dbol, the 2.5mg anavar and the (if I remember correctly) 2.5 or 5mg Maxibolin were all the real deals. Small doses went along way
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Late 70’s until he retired Kerr and Jekot were my doctors for this. D-bol, Avavar, Maxibolin were mostly the prescribed orals for that time along with Primobolin, Deca and test. It wasn’t the shit that’s in circulation now. The little blue 5mg CIBA dbol, the 2.5mg anavar and the (if I remember correctly) 2.5 or 5mg Maxibolin were all the real deals. Small doses went along way
Thanks for the input bro
Seems they all ran an oral and an inject and all that the same dose
Oral was either dbol or winny ran btw 15-25 mgs
Inject was either deca or primo 100-200 mgs
Mentzer said 25 dbol and 200 deca every 10 days
Zane wrote a cryptic poem basically saying 15 dbol and 100 Primo
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john jewitt says he runs
250mg test
2000mg masteron
each week - competes in Open now
How could that not tank his estro?
That's supposedly what they run now test base with a dht anabolic either mast or primo
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Dj is a one dimensional mind. All he ever thinks about is the same old shit.
I wonder how he decides what stuff to believe ? There’s vigorous gurus vigorously advocating everything: high volume, low volume, high calories, low calories, high protein, high carbs, high reps, low reps, whatever.
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the platz info is bs.
can't remember his name but some old timer who was at gold's or world or whatever mentioned platz inviting some people out for lunch (you paid for your own food) and he spilled the beans on drugs used.
He was using everything.
He's lying/exaggerating about so many other things, so....makes sense to exagerrate about "how little drugs he used".
Platz told a guy on another forum that just the Deca was at 1400mg a week, 200 a day. Mentzer ran a gram of Durabolin (fast Deca aka NPP) and this was after he stopped competing.
You don't look like Platz did facially doing those paltry doses.
Furthermore, I don't think Primo was that popular, Nubret came with a suitcase with them, I don't know what kind of distribution channels they had then but it wasn't an American drug to my knowledge. I think it was ALL Deca, Deca and more DECA. Well that and some orals, Dianabol was king. Ask any of those oldtimers and they will all talk about the wonders of Deca. They didn't understand that test is probably even more anabolic than Deca and probably much safer. Because test wasn't even called an anabolic streoid, it was an androgen. You know how they say, "testosterone and anabolic steroids," like one is for growth. But it's still more anabolic.
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Every pose was the moon pose for Platz
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I wonder how he decides what stuff to believe ? There’s vigorous gurus vigorously advocating everything: high volume, low volume, high calories, low calories, high protein, high carbs, high reps, low reps, whatever.
i re-rembered my best lean natty gains and it was going from 154 @ 5% to 167 @ 7% in 2-3 months and it was by doing what i'm doing now so my training is correct not ;)
i was SEVERELY OVERTRAINING same muscle group two times a day 4-6 cycles per muslce of drop sets, partials, slow negatives EACH AND EVERY WO EVERY GODDAMN FUCKING DAY 2 TIMES PER DAY
no the fuck wonder i did not gain much
mania is a nasty thing
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Platz told a guy on another forum that just the Deca was at 1400mg a week, 200 a day. Mentzer ran a gram of Durabolin (fast Deca aka NPP) and this was after he stopped competing.
You don't look like Platz did facially doing those paltry doses.
yeah but what did mentzer run in 78 or 79? when he was at his best
he says 200 deca every 10 days and 25 dbol
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Fucks sake none of this is even remotely true
WTF is getbig coming to, discussing nonsense with a fucking retard.
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yeah but what did mentzer run in 78 or 79? when he was at his best
he says 200 deca every 10 days and 25 dbol
I don't know but it wasn't enough. In 1980 he looked to be doing way too little, though the diet was shit too. They didn't know better :D
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King Zane IS NOT a liar
100 mgs primo weekly and 15 dbol daily
larry scott only took 15-20 dbol daily
these guys had genetics IN SPADES
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Late 70’s until he retired Kerr and Jekot were my doctors for this. D-bol, Avavar, Maxibolin were mostly the prescribed orals for that time along with Primobolin, Deca and test. It wasn’t the shit that’s in circulation now. The little blue 5mg CIBA dbol, the 2.5mg anavar and the (if I remember correctly) 2.5 or 5mg Maxibolin were all the real deals. Small doses went along way
Were you bigger when Kerr prescribed or when you did your last show?
Come on man, there's plenty of REAL shit today, how else are the monstrosities today explained :D Thank you China! :D
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john jewitt says he runs
250mg test
2000mg masteron
each week - competes in Open now
This shit started with Victor Black, who mentored Jewett. Of course they are enemies now. Vic basically said, all steroids cause the same "protein accrual." So first you take a dose of test to tolerable level where you don't need and antiestrogen or finasteride etc. Then you add something that doesn't create more estrogen or DHT for more anabolism. His top choices were Masteron or Anavar, why? Because both are approved human use drugs without significant toxicity and have data backing all this up. So Masteron became "it" for many. But now bodybuilders fight over whether Masteron really is anabolic at all or if it's just a "finishing touch" for shows. I say it probably works well, haven't tried higher doses of it. Some run experiments like it sounds Jewett is doing. Jordan Peters did that with Nandrolone, 2 grams of it. OTOH Jewett had some reel on IG recently about "how to increase tolerance for test," which was basically shoot it as often as you can to avoid peaks.
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This shit started with Victor Black, who mentored Jewett. Of course they are enemies now. Vic basically said, all steroids cause the same "protein accrual." So first you take a dose of test to tolerable level where you don't need and antiestrogen or finasteride etc. Then you add something that doesn't create more estrogen or DHT for more anabolism. His top choices were Masteron or Anavar, why? Because both are approved human use drugs without significant toxicity and have data backing all this up. So Masteron became "it" for many. But now bodybuilders fight over whether Masteron really is anabolic at all or if it's just a "finishing touch" for shows. I say it probably works well, haven't tried higher doses of it. Some run experiments like it sounds Jewett is doing. Jordan Peters did that with Nandrolone, 2 grams of it. OTOH Jewett had some reel on IG recently about "how to increase tolerance for test," which was basically shoot it as often as you can to avoid peaks.
mast is a shit anabolic for size the absolute worst, well it and winny, and vigourous Steve agrees with this :D
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john jewitt says he runs
250mg test
2000mg masteron
each week - competes in Open now
No wonder he is bald. I wonder how stressful that much DHT is on the prostate. Does he not have a perma boner?
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King Zane-100 primo 15 dbol
Mentzer-200 deca 25;dbol
Platz-100-200 deca 20 winny
Arnold-100-200 primo 20 dbol
Waller-primo and dbol
Padilla-deca only low dose
Olivia-deca and winny
So they only used dbol winny primo and deca
Guess drol and var didn't come bout til the 80s
Fascinating shit
It is fascinating that such a high IQ guy believes their horseshit lies.
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It is fascinating that such a high IQ guy believes their horseshit lies.
why the hell would Zane lie about it in a poem ???
platz did say in a seminar that he would use up to 100 mgs a day so alright he could be full of shit
but Zane does not lie
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He has every reason to lie. He wants people to believe he is some kind of a god, that he was just on another untouchable level of genetics and hard work. He was on a high level but his nickname was the chemist. I know there is still a little boy inside you but please don't be so naïve with your hero's.
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I have side effects with just aspirin- I don't know how these guys take all this stuff! I'm happy just being an average guy lol - but weight training over the years has increased my muscle mass about 30 pounds give or take so that's good enough.
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Were you bigger when Kerr prescribed or when you did your last show?
Come on man, there's plenty of REAL shit today, how else are the monstrosities today explained :D Thank you China! :D
As you know things were a lot different back then. Orals were probably used more than injections back then. One pic that of me that I posted here when I had just turned 21. It was a little Maxibolin and cross tops but I won’t that overall beating out Billy Smiths training partner. I was 154 he was like 230
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On the other side of that, the last show I did I only used orals last 6-8 wks prior. I have in recent times before I stopped competing used orals in the off seasons
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On the other side of that, the last show I did I only used orals last 6-8 wks prior. I have in recent times before I stopped competing used orals in the off seasons
i'm replying on orals now
DROL and var
which orals do you like?
i fucking hate winny makes me flat as hell and stringy
never used tbol or halo
halo would lead me to prison :D :D :D
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i'm replying on orals now
DROL and var
which orals do you like?
i fucking hate winny makes me flat as hell and stringy
never used tbol or halo
halo would lead me to prison :D :D :D
Depends on the goal.
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Depends on the goal.
lean muscle gains
i'm keeping test very low (75 mgs a week) to not encourage the drol to convert to estrogen
so i'm running 75 mgs sust 50 mgs drol daily and 20 mgs var daily (all orals 30 min preworkout)
should i up the drol to 75 mgs or even 100 mgs? i have 25 mg tabs
i train every goddamn day cant help it
i should train like this... 2 on/1 off/1 on/1 off
goal is to keep my waist that tight small and lean while adding 10-15 pounds of muscle to my delts arms pecs and lats in 6-8 weeks
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No abs and mastectomy scars...
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Just to be sure, is this serious? I am not suggesting you are not being serious, just wanna make sure I am not missing some reference or something. It's an unusual cycle but have heard of people doing siginificant masteron (instead of tren) to achieve something of the same look or so.
he’s claims on his youtube channel but i heard Chase Irons talking about it - how he believes it’s legit cause JJ is ALREADY huge - hence he ca. get away with taking low test/high DHT combos ?
if i had JJ’s wife at home I would def. be upping the dose
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When guys from that era talked Dbol they talked in tabs not mgs, the little Ciba blues Coach talks about were very potent, most guys from that era took lots of them, so much that there was a former study by UCLA back in the day that brought up the concerns of taking high dose orals and its effects on good cholesterol or HDL, basically over 20mgs a day starts dropping it and at 50mgs a day you have 0, they established that in a low HDL environment that premature hardening of the arteries in the south cal bodybuilding community was a huge issue that was ultimately going to result in earlier death than natural death from cardiac issues.
The dosages quoted are to low to give your muscles androgenic or in that era anabolic type hardness to a flat low carb body, basically that hard look could only and can only be stablished in a considerably high androgenic or anabolic environment that has always been the case now and certainly back then. Could Arnold be Arnold on 300mgs Primo and 50mgs DBol with his genetics, possibly these guys countered the water retention from Dbol with basically high protein no carb diets for 6-12 weeks and no carbing up. except for last minute.
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When guys from that era talked Dbol they talked in tabs not mgs, the little Ciba blues Coach talks about were very potent, most guys from that era took lots of them, so much that there was a former study by UCLA back in the day that brought up the concerns of taking high dose orals and its effects on good cholesterol or HDL, basically over 20mgs a day starts dropping it and at 50mgs a day you have 0, they established that in a low HDL environment that premature hardening of the arteries in the south cal bodybuilding community was a huge issue that was ultimately going to result in earlier death than natural death from cardiac issues.
The dosages quoted are to low to give your muscles androgenic or in that era anabolic type hardness to a flat low carb body, basically that hard look could only and can only be stablished in a considerably high androgenic or anabolic environment that has always been the case now and certainly back then. Could Arnold be Arnold on 300mgs Primo and 50mgs DBol with his genetics, possibly these guys countered the water retention from Dbol with basically high protein no carb diets for 6-12 weeks and no carbing up. except for last minute.
honest how much test a week do you think would be safe without a ton of water retention i have seen so many dosages recommended out there.
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When guys from that era talked Dbol they talked in tabs not mgs, the little Ciba blues Coach talks about were very potent, most guys from that era took lots of them, so much that there was a former study by UCLA back in the day that brought up the concerns of taking high dose orals and its effects on good cholesterol or HDL, basically over 20mgs a day starts dropping it and at 50mgs a day you have 0, they established that in a low HDL environment that premature hardening of the arteries in the south cal bodybuilding community was a huge issue that was ultimately going to result in earlier death than natural death from cardiac issues.
The dosages quoted are to low to give your muscles androgenic or in that era anabolic type hardness to a flat low carb body, basically that hard look could only and can only be stablished in a considerably high androgenic or anabolic environment that has always been the case now and certainly back then. Could Arnold be Arnold on 300mgs Primo and 50mgs DBol with his genetics, possibly these guys countered the water retention from Dbol with basically high protein no carb diets for 6-12 weeks and no carbing up. except for last minute.
King Zane claims he ate 200 pro less than 50 carb and low fat for 3-4 months leading up to a contest
that is 1200 daily cals TOPS and for 3-4 months with a refeed of 150 carbs RARELY lol
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No abs and mastectomy scars...
Looks like a cross-eyed Hankins mugshot
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Looks like a cross-eyed Hankins mugshot
thanks for the kind words
p.s. it doesnt hurt me at all dude
and that's 5% bf btw ;)
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When guys from that era talked Dbol they talked in tabs not mgs, the little Ciba blues Coach talks about were very potent, most guys from that era took lots of them, so much that there was a former study by UCLA back in the day that brought up the concerns of taking high dose orals and its effects on good cholesterol or HDL, basically over 20mgs a day starts dropping it and at 50mgs a day you have 0, they established that in a low HDL environment that premature hardening of the arteries in the south cal bodybuilding community was a huge issue that was ultimately going to result in earlier death than natural death from cardiac issues.
The dosages quoted are to low to give your muscles androgenic or in that era anabolic type hardness to a flat low carb body, basically that hard look could only and can only be stablished in a considerably high androgenic or anabolic environment that has always been the case now and certainly back then. Could Arnold be Arnold on 300mgs Primo and 50mgs DBol with his genetics, possibly these guys countered the water retention from Dbol with basically high protein no carb diets for 6-12 weeks and no carbing up. except for last minute.
Arnold said he finished dieting 1 week out and went to the cheesecake factory every evening with Franco.
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No wonder he is bald. I wonder how stressful that much DHT is on the prostate. Does he not have a perma boner?
Mast is a DHT derivative just like Anavar or Primo and others. Mast being a derivative of DHT doesn't necessarily make it act like DHT. It might but others think it might be significantly different in action. Some say that it sheds hair like crazy and others say it's their imagination :D Worst for my prostate is tren which is a nandrolone derivative. :-X
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No abs and mastectomy scars...
Lower belly fat yet 5 percent ::)
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its effects on good cholesterol or HDL, basically over 20mgs a day starts dropping it and at 50mgs a day you have 0, they established that in a low HDL environment that premature hardening of the arteries in the south cal bodybuilding community was a huge issue that was ultimately going to result in earlier death than natural death from cardiac issues.
The worst seem to be the nonaromatizabels like Winstrol. Dbol is better probably because estrogen is protective for those numbers.
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Mast is a DHT derivative just like Anavar or Primo and others. Mast being a derivative of DHT doesn't necessarily make it act like DHT. It might but others think it might be significantly different in action. Some say that it sheds hair like crazy and others say it's their imagination :D Worst for my prostate is tren which is a nandrolone derivative. :-X
Well DHT is the main antagonist for hair follicles. Started tren a few days ago 200mg e.
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King Zane IS NOT a liar
100 mgs primo weekly and 15 dbol daily
larry scott only took 15-20 dbol daily
these guys had genetics IN SPADES
You know when it's 6-8 weeks out you start panicking and usually up your doses. A lot of guys like this, happens naturally. So even if those doses were true at some point, it's also likely they don't quote their highest doses.
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Well DHT is the main antagonist for hair follicles. Started tren a few days ago 200mg e.
Victor Black has some othe ideas about hair loss :D
For me after a first shot of tren I've felt it in the pissing department :D
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Well DHT is the main antagonist for hair follicles. Started tren a few days ago 200mg e.
my hair thins on masteron, its grown back again now
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Victor Black has some othe ideas about hair loss :D
For me after a first shot of tren I've felt it in the pissing department :D
I felt anger haha.
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It seems..we will never actually know but another of pros say they don't use a lot of test. It's masteron then tren near contest time. Of course gh n slin. Can't remember his name..the 340lb beer on YouTube says he uses 500mg test going up to 750 but does multiple shots of master on a day. Anyone know why?
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It seems..we will never actually know but another of pros say they don't use a lot of test. It's masteron then tren near contest time. Of course gh n slin. Can't remember his name..the 340lb beer on YouTube says he uses 500mg test going up to 750 but does multiple shots of master on a day. Anyone know why?
It has a hardening and skin thinning effect. It acts like an AI and helps fat loss due to reducing estrogen.
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It seems..we will never actually know but another of pros say they don't use a lot of test. It's masteron then tren near contest time. Of course gh n slin. Can't remember his name..the 340lb beer on YouTube says he uses 500mg test going up to 750 but does multiple shots of master on a day. Anyone know why?
My friend did 2.5 grams of test and 400mg of Masteron, with some tren for his last show. Everyone thinks they have to taper the test to not be bloated, but that's not always the case. If someone is bloated it usually means they're fat :D
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My friend did 2.5 grams of test and 400mg of Masteron, with some tren for his last show. Everyone thinks they have to taper the test to not be bloated, but that's not always the case. If someone is bloated it usually means they're fat :D
I dunno, I would find it hard to look ripped on so much test. I would find it harder to loose fat. I get ripped easier with low test alongside other compounds like EQ,Deca,tren and mast.
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It seems..we will never actually know but another of pros say they don't use a lot of test. It's masteron then tren near contest time. Of course gh n slin. Can't remember his name..the 340lb beer on YouTube says he uses 500mg test going up to 750 but does multiple shots of master on a day. Anyone know why?
milos sarcev and doc blakely both say test peaks at 750 and more isn't better
i dont think the 70s and 80s guys used test at all
demay, christian and that south african guy with hude pecs and delts and no back were all 6'1 225-230 and they mop the floor with these massive guys nowadays
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honest how much test a week do you think would be safe without a ton of water retention i have seen so many dosages recommended out there.
I take 100mgs a week subcutaneous and have blood work done every three months including venesection where its required, I have been monitoring it for over a decade at this level besides some higher blood red blood cell activity, other levels are fine, and I use cyptionate, I get too much water retention with Enanthate, and I try to keep my carbs low to help offset. Side effects increase with dosage in my personal data, my HDL starts to drop at higher dosages and is especially prone to oral use, I only took orals pre contest when I dropped my oils.back few decades ago
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I dunno, I would find it hard to look ripped on so much test. I would find it harder to loose fat. I get ripped easier with low test alongside other compounds like EQ,Deca,tren and mast.
But you never tried right? :D
It may be that estrogen affects fat distribution more than hindering fat loss per se. You give menopausal women estrogen and they lose belly fat and fat per se. And what happens when you have high androgens along with high estrogen from say testosterone (without an AI)? But if estrogen hurts a bodybuilder you could just do a lot of AI. Estrogen also has anabolic effects in men.
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Where do the Americans on here get all these drugs? Doctors or dealers at the gym?
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But you never tried right? :D
It may be that estrogen affects fat distribution more than hindering fat loss per se. You give menopausal women estrogen and they lose belly fat and fat per se. And what happens when you have high androgens along with high estrogen from say testosterone (without an AI)? But if estrogen hurts a bodybuilder you could just do a lot of AI. Estrogen also has anabolic effects in men.
I would never try 2.5gms of test. I went up to 1gm for a few weeks 10 years ago. Highest I go now is 500mg. But pre contest less. Alot of AI is not healthy. Most I do is 1mg Arimidex 3 x a week pre contest. I have a small bit of gyno and unless I get it cut out high test will just make it grow. I also value fitness, and with better cardio I can train harder.
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Where do the Americans on here get all these drugs? Doctors or dealers at the gym?
99.999% percent of sales are over the internet everywhere. I still use gym dealers. You have a dream situation there for bb related stuff, there IS so much available domestically, anything you could want. Some think "pros" have good connections, nah, if you're good with the internet everything's there.
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I would never try 2.5gms of test. I went up to 1gm for a few weeks 10 years ago. Highest I go now is 500mg. But pre contest less. Alot of AI is not healthy. Most I do is 1mg Arimidex 3 x a week pre contest. I have a small bit of gyno and unless I get it cut out high test will just make it grow. I also value fitness, and with better cardio I can train harder.
Yeah AI overuse is not healthy. I never used any, but then again I'm not a bber.
Didn't you use quite a good total dosage for some shows? I have some vague recollection... :D
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Yeah AI overuse is not healthy. I never used any, but then again I'm not a bber.
Didn't you use quite a good total dosage for some shows? I have some vague recollection... :D
Yeah.
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gonna go head and up the drol to 75 mgs
got pecs and tris and i just fucking know ima gonna CRUSH DAT SHIT
increased reps and loads on every fucking movement
FUCK YEAH!!!!
gonna keep upping the dose by 25 mgs every 4 days til i'm running 150 mgs on the daily
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Where do the Americans on here get all these drugs? Doctors or dealers at the gym?
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King Zane IS NOT a liar
100 mgs primo weekly and 15 dbol daily
larry scott only took 15-20 dbol daily
these guys had genetics IN SPADES
Get the fuck off this site!
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Get the fuck off this site!
this
hes a proper kunt
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King Zane IS NOT a liar
100 mgs primo weekly and 15 dbol daily
larry scott only took 15-20 dbol daily
these guys had genetics IN SPADES
About 10 years ago, King Zane claimed natty during a phone consultation to a naive guy from my old gym. He is a bodybuilder, therefore he is a liar.
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I'm more interested in what pros took during the 40's and 50's when everyone was supposed to be natural.
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About 10 years ago, King Zane claimed natty during a phone consultation to a naive guy from my old gym. He is a bodybuilder, therefore he is a liar.
that sucks
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I'm more interested in what pros took during the 40's and 50's when everyone was supposed to be natural.
Eggs.
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I take 100mgs a week subcutaneous and have blood work done every three months including venesection where its required, I have been monitoring it for over a decade at this level besides some higher blood red blood cell activity, other levels are fine, and I use cyptionate, I get too much water retention with Enanthate, and I try to keep my carbs low to help offset. Side effects increase with dosage in my personal data, my HDL starts to drop at higher dosages and is especially prone to oral use, I only took orals pre contest when I dropped my oils.back few decades ago
hey thanks for getting back to me i appreciate ,so in your opinion do you think 250 a week of test cyp is to much
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Zane is a proven liar just for that time he tried to pass a blatantly photshopped pic of himself off as real. Remember that?
I think it was in the patent for Ciba dbol that they used a process to remove the selenium(? I can't recall exactly right now) that apparently other makers didn't/don't and maybe that was the reason old timers who used ciba dbol said it worked way better. I knew a guy who first thought maybe he just didn't respond like he used to just due to age/acclimation of some kind, but it could be that was a difference that made a difference.
As far as what the Arnold era guys used, no one is really ever going to know. There's the story that Arnold started taking dbol when he was 15. Then there's Sergio and his "candy jar" where he just took "handfuls" of dbol when he felt like it. Stories of Platz taking so much dbol "his kidneys hurt". Could just be completely made up stories. Arnold really doesn't strike me as the Yates type to keep a written log of what he's doing.
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hey thanks for getting back to me i appreciate ,so in your opinion do you think 250 a week of test cyp is to much
Too much to be considered therapeutic or TRT, but not high enough for bodybuilding. I even micro dose the 100mgs meaning 50mgs Monday Thursday, subcut but I am now at an age where i only do want nothing more than TRT, that dose for me would be too much, but everyones different, I have always been a hyper responder so 100mgs works well, for others they feel nothing at that dose, but TRT is that TRT shouldn't feel like a cycle, and for me at that dose it doesn't. If I run that amount I will put on a few pounds and my body will be less forgiving with carb intake
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Too much to be considered therapeutic or TRT, but not high enough for bodybuilding. I even micro dose the 100mgs meaning 50mgs Monday Thursday, subcut but I am now at an age where i only do want nothing more than TRT, that dose for me would be too much, but everyones different, I have always been a hyper responder so 100mgs works well, for others they feel nothing at that dose, but TRT is that TRT shouldn't feel like a cycle, and for me at that dose it doesn't. If I run that amount I will put on a few pounds and my body will be less forgiving with carb intake
agreed
some of these shitstains try and say 200 is trt
GET DA FUCK OUTTA HERE WIT DAT SHIT
my total test was 2887 om 250 mgs and it was test 4 days post 125 inject as i shot 125 twice a week like you brother
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Too much to be considered therapeutic or TRT, but not high enough for bodybuilding. I even micro dose the 100mgs meaning 50mgs Monday Thursday, subcut but I am now at an age where i only do want nothing more than TRT, that dose for me would be too much, but everyones different, I have always been a hyper responder so 100mgs works well, for others they feel nothing at that dose, but TRT is that TRT shouldn't feel like a cycle, and for me at that dose it doesn't. If I run that amount I will put on a few pounds and my body will be less forgiving with carb intake
There's this trend of doing 10mg of test e once daily subq at night, because it peaks in 12 hours. Users claim high normal levels, a few a thousand or even a little over. If I was looking for true physiological TRT I might do this, just 1/20 of a cc popped into the belly with an insulin syringe.
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gonna go head and up the drol to 75 mgs
got pecs and tris and i just fucking know ima gonna CRUSH DAT SHIT
increased reps and loads on every fucking movement
FUCK YEAH!!!!
gonna keep upping the dose by 25 mgs every 4 days til i'm running 150 mgs on the daily
Come on man, go slooow :D
It probably will expand your waist, not that that is a real problem as it just swells temporarily for some reason but you're not gonna like it :D
I don't give a fuck about my big belly (well I do care a bit tbh) so if I had Anadrol now I would do 150mg 3-4 hours preworkout. I just want to blow back up quickly after many months only training a few sets once a week (health issues). Gonna go 3-4 days per week now that I bought a membership at a nice gym just 200 meters from my apartment.
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Come on man, go slooow :D
It probably will expand your waist, not that that is a real problem as it just swells temporarily for some reason but you're not gonna like it :D
I don't give a fuck about my big belly (well I do care a bit tbh) so if I had Anadrol now I would do 150mg 3-4 hours preworkout. I just want to blow back up quickly after many months only training a few sets once a week (health issues). Gonna go 3-4 days per week now that I bought a membership at a nice gym just 200 meters from my apartment.
believe me i'm keeping a close eye on the wasit
i asked njflex if i could send him update pics to give me honest feedback but he ghosted me LULZ
i send my bud in cbus update pics but he never ever comments on them LULZ
doc blakely has also ghosted me LULZ
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Anadrol was next level to anything else I ever used, only thing is my red blood cell count went sky high, but I could change my bodies entire look in 4-6 weeks on 1-2 tabs a day, I only ever used it precontest and after I dropped my test 6 weeks out, I can't tolerate prop or suspension so I used that instead to keep me full when I went full fast acting anabolic last 4-6 weeks.
But even 1 tab a day by itself worked great for me, but it can't be regarded as anti ageing its not, its as hard on the body as tren or more IMO.
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Anadrol was next level to anything else I ever used, only thing is my red blood cell count went sky high, but I could change my bodies entire look in 4-6 weeks on 1-2 tabs a day, I only ever used it precontest and after I dropped my test 6 weeks out, I can't tolerate prop or suspension so I used that instead to keep me full when I went full fast acting anabolic last 4-6 weeks.
But even 1 tab a day by itself worked great for me, but it can't be regarded as anti ageing its not, its as hard on the body as tren or more IMO.
Definitely not for an older guy. Blood pressure would go through the roof.
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Definitely not for an older guy. Blood pressure would go through the roof.
I agree I would never use it unless I was competing and young, its not worth it, the best thing about being in the gym is doing it for life, having the gym cardio and basic diet in your daily routine can set you up for a good life.
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Definitely not for an older guy. Blood pressure would go through the roof.
that's what telemasartin is for ;)
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that's what telemasartin is for ;)
True, other drugs can always be used.
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Anadrol was next level to anything else I ever used, only thing is my red blood cell count went sky high, but I could change my bodies entire look in 4-6 weeks on 1-2 tabs a day, I only ever used it precontest and after I dropped my test 6 weeks out, I can't tolerate prop or suspension so I used that instead to keep me full when I went full fast acting anabolic last 4-6 weeks.
But even 1 tab a day by itself worked great for me, but it can't be regarded as anti ageing its not, its as hard on the body as tren or more IMO.
Just one tab works "miracles" lol. It can be surprisingly gentle on blood work. Of course BP should always be priority. But it doesn't touch my liver values much at all. One member on another site says he's done 100mg for 25 years straight and labs were good. I've done a couple of one year cycles, probably not smart, but labs were good.
Older people might tolerate it pretty well at 50mg a day. Here 65-80 year olds.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12388137/
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Just one tab works "miracles" lol. It can be surprisingly gentle on blood work. Of course BP should always be priority. But it doesn't touch my liver values much at all. One member on another site says he's done 100mg for 25 years straight and labs were good. I've done a couple of one year cycles, probably not smart, but labs were good.
Older people might tolerate it pretty well at 50mg a day. Here 65-80 year olds.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12388137/
In my won experience Only drug that I could visibly get bigger and harder day to day, but at the same time absolutely killed off my HDL and pushed up my hemocrit, BP I can't recall as being to bad, massive loss of appetite which always to me meant liver was struggling and liver function test from memory was abnormal. I never went above 2 or 100mgs per day, but I used proper Anapolan 50 back in then day, haven't touched it in 20 years, could only see the value in it contest wise due to the sides.
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In my won experience Only drug that I could visibly get bigger and harder day to day, but at the same time absolutely killed off my HDL and pushed up my hemocrit, BP I can't recall as being to bad, massive loss of appetite which always to me meant liver was struggling and liver function test from memory was abnormal. I never went above 2 or 100mgs per day, but I used proper Anapolan 50 back in then day, haven't touched it in 20 years, could only see the value in it contest wise due to the sides.
Appetite loss might not have to do with liver tox as it can come on from the very first pill, but yes that's a major complaint. I have used plenty of Anapolon but guys here say it's shit compared to the American Anadrol, I think the Anadrol was followed by 4 numbers? I'm not sure if Anapolon was restricted in Turkey or not but I've seen it recently. My favorite was this China generic. Still good many years after expiring.
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If you cant eat you cant grow.
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Appetite loss might not have to do with liver tox as it can come on from the very first pill, but yes that's a major complaint. I have used plenty of Anapolon but guys here say it's shit compared to the American Anadrol, I think the Anadrol was followed by 4 numbers? I'm not sure if Anapolon was restricted in Turkey or not but I've seen it recently. My favorite was this China generic. Still good many years after expiring.
Never had any loss of apetite with dbol or drop,I did have nosebleeds but no high BP....Probably related to something else like high red blood cell count.
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Never had any loss of apetite with dbol or drop,I did have nosebleeds but no high BP....Probably related to something else like high red blood cell count.
I've only had a few serious nosebleeds in my life but every time Anadrol was involved. My RBCs have never been out of range on anything. I'm going to ask a Q, in the off chance someone knows. I have low iron levels but RBCs and hemoglobin are normal. Do steroids lower iron levels? Someone speculated that on steroids the body uses more iron for erythropoiesis so it could be low because of that. Just now my doc wants to check I'm not bleeding internally, but I've had low iron several times in the past 4-5 years, have gotten a few bags infused.
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In the 80's bodybuilders found out that vet drugs weren't regulated and they got giant vials of Winstrol V and Equipose meant for horses. It was cheap and the giant containers lasted forever.
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Anadrol was next level to anything else I ever used, only thing is my red blood cell count went sky high, but I could change my bodies entire look in 4-6 weeks on 1-2 tabs a day, I only ever used it precontest and after I dropped my test 6 weeks out, I can't tolerate prop or suspension so I used that instead to keep me full when I went full fast acting anabolic last 4-6 weeks.
But even 1 tab a day by itself worked great for me, but it can't be regarded as anti ageing its not, its as hard on the body as tren or more IMO.
Anadrol 50 was sick strong. It was a favorite of Viator's training partner so maybe we could assume he used it. Yes, one a day made drastic changes. Two was pushing it. Guys that used three started to get yellow eyes. Now I know many today take it and it's not made in American pharmaceutical labs anymore I assume. I bet the stuff they are buying out of the trunk of some scum bag's trunk in the gym parking lot isn't even remotely as powerful as the original and is counterfeit. In the early 80's some had a fear of Anadrol 50 because of how quick and drastic the changes were. I hear guys say I don't know what I'm talking about cause they pop five a day and see mild changes. In no way in hell is that the original Anadrol 50. The most powerful anabolic pill ever made.
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Anadrol 50 was sick strong. It was a favorite of Viator's training partner so maybe we could assume he used it. Yes, one a day made drastic changes. Two was pushing it. Guys that used three started to get yellow eyes. Now I know many today take it and it's not made in American pharmaceutical labs anymore I assume. I bet the stuff they are buying out of the trunk of some scum bag's trunk in the gym parking lot isn't even remotely as powerful as the original and is counterfeit. In the early 80's some had a fear of Anadrol 50 because of how quick and drastic the changes were. I hear guys say I don't know what I'm talking about cause they pop five a day and see mild changes. In no way in hell is that the original Anadrol 50. The most powerful anabolic pill ever made.
These are fairly tales.
Like people who say they blew up on 5mg of Dbol.
There is nothing special about the drugs of yesteryear, just a bunch of old stories that never die.
If anything the drugs today are more powerful.
Back when "3 tabs turned your eyes yellow", there were very sick CHILDREN taking over 600mg a day for months on end. And they are still alive today.
I've ran HG cycles for years with blood work to back it up, 100mg of Drol per day didn't even change my liver values in 6 months of taking it.
The pros of every era were massive drug abusers, it's human nature to push the limits.
People draw down the drugs because it was taboo, and people really want you to believe they are special and have incredible genetics, or they are selling you something, which all of them did to survive.
Also, vet AAS and human are made exactly the same way. There is no difference at all in the physiology of how steroids work. The only outlier is Tren pellets.
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These are fairly tales.
Like people who say they blew up on 5mg of Dbol.
There is nothing special about the drugs of yesteryear, just a bunch of old stories that never die.
If anything the drugs today are more powerful.
Back when "3 tabs turned your eyes yellow", there were very sick CHILDREN taking over 600mg a day for months on end. And they are still alive today.
I've ran HG cycles for years with blood work to back it up, 100mg of Drol per day didn't even change my liver values in 6 months of taking it.
The pros of every era were massive drug abusers, it's human nature to push the limits.
People draw down the drugs because it was taboo, and people really want you to believe they are special and have incredible genetics, or they are selling you something, which all of them did to survive.
Also, vet AAS and human are made exactly the same way. There is no difference at all in the physiology of how steroids work. The only outlier is Tren pellets.
5MG of Dbol was nothing compared to Anadrol 50. You don't know what you are talking about.
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5MG of Dbol was nothing compared to Anadrol 50. You don't know what you are talking about.
Chris Cormier said he blew up 5lbs on one single 5mg pharma dbol lol.
Do you think they used real Anadrol in this US study from 2003? I don't know your exact age but here old people gained like 6lbs in 3 months on either 50 or 100mg. Not earth shattering but good at that age, on REAL Anadrol. I always say as young we all responded better, but our minds want to make it more than it was, and the "blowing up" was more modest that recalled.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12388137/
My brother took 15 5mg Russian dbol, one a day, and gained like 12lbs. He was 14 :D
He blew up but was still a rail thin fella :D
I look at pics from 30 years ago from local contests and no one looked anything special, could have easily claimed natural
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These are fairly tales.
Like people who say they blew up on 5mg of Dbol.
There is nothing special about the drugs of yesteryear, just a bunch of old stories that never die.
If anything the drugs today are more powerful.
Back when "3 tabs turned your eyes yellow", there were very sick CHILDREN taking over 600mg a day for months on end. And they are still alive today.
I've ran HG cycles for years with blood work to back it up, 100mg of Drol per day didn't even change my liver values in 6 months of taking it.
The pros of every era were massive drug abusers, it's human nature to push the limits.
People draw down the drugs because it was taboo, and people really want you to believe they are special and have incredible genetics, or they are selling you something, which all of them did to survive.
Also, vet AAS and human are made exactly the same way. There is no difference at all in the physiology of how steroids work. The only outlier is Tren pellets.
Yeah, but the children were sick, not already healthy and stacking other drugs.
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I gained water bloat and a big pump from Dbol,could never use pre contest, so never used much as I avoided oral use off season, Anadrol never really gained much or any weight, but my physique changed overnight to full vascular and hard. Always used it pre contest after dropping test, but even if I took it now it won't change me weight wise but will change apperence quicker than anything else.
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I gained water bloat and a big pump from Dbol,could never use pre contest, so never used much as I avoided oral use off season, Anadrol never really gained much or any weight, but my physique changed overnight to full vascular and hard. Always used it pre contest after dropping test, but even if I took it now it won't change me weight wise but will change apperence quicker than anything else.
so you didn't gain any size from it?
i've already added a full 1/2 inch onto each arm in only 6 days :D :D :D
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so you didn't gain any size from it?
i've already added a full 1/2 inch onto each arm in only 6 days :D :D :D
which will be gone 2 weeks after you stop taking it.
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which will be gone 2 weeks after you stop taking it.
Agree the anadrol look is dose dependant,
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so you didn't gain any size from it?
i've already added a full 1/2 inch onto each arm in only 6 days :D :D :D
Nope but it brought my semi conditioned arm or body into contest shape, basically without it I could be hard but flat, Anadrol, made me full and lean, trick was how to take it last few days, as I wanted the fullness but no water retention.
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Nope but it brought my semi conditioned arm or body into contest shape, basically without it I could be hard but flat, Anadrol, made me full and lean, trick was how to take it last few days, as I wanted the fullness but no water retention.
i'm up to 100 mgs and i will prob go to 150 mgs then drop back down to 50 to hold my size and str gains
i keep seeing peeps saying they can't eat on it but my app is through the fucking roof
did you lose your app on it?
i started at 2500 cals and i am still hard, lean and dry so i'm going up to 3 grand and see and if i stay lean dry and hard i'll go up to 3500 on and on
don't think i'll need to go over 3500 as my goal weight is 175-180 @ 5-6%
i'm 177 here and i guess 12% so i want to get to this weight again but @ 5-6 not 12
drol will not crush my app ;)
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yes I lost my appetite and that was one of the benefits pre contest last 6 weeks it helped me with appetite suppression, as my carbs went even lower. It also helped me stay full whilst I had no fullness from carbs, basically androgenic fullness.
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yes I lost my appetite and that was one of the benefits pre contest last 6 weeks it helped me with appetite suppression, as my carbs went even lower. It also helped me stay full whilst I had no fullness from carbs, basically androgenic fullness.
yep that's what many peeps say
my app is very high which is great coz i plan to add 15-20 pounds in 6-8 weeks already added 6 in just one week
if i keep going at this pace i'll be there in 2 to 3 more weeks, good shit
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which will be gone 2 weeks after you stop taking it.
Never stop! Just up the dose until death which will come sooner than later.
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Never stop! Just up the dose until death which will come sooner than later.
it's the opposite
you lower the dose once goal size/weight is hit and this will indeed maintain your size/weight ;)
i'll be able to maintain my size/weight @ 25-50 mgs easy-peasy
or i may switch to dbol and maintain on 10-20 mgs
hit the maintanice dose and keep the cals at maintaince as well
175-180 @ 5-6% will look amazing on my tiny joints
6 inch wrist 8 inch ankle
i do much much better on orals than do on injects for some reason